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    Keith Rabois - If You Can’t Sell Them, Compete with Them - [Invest Like the Best, EP.115]

    enDecember 18, 2018

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    • Importance of Vertical Integration and Controlling Your Own DestinyVertical integration allows businesses to control the entire stack and create an ideal user experience, while also capturing more value. It's important to not be derivative and outsource your fate to someone else.

      Learning from this conversation with Keith Raboy is the importance of vertical integration and controlling your own destiny in business. Raboy emphasizes that if you have an asymmetric ability to perform a function, it's beneficial to take advantage of it by owning the entire stack and providing the end product directly to customers. He cites examples like Apple and Opendoor, where controlling each component allows for the creation of an ideal user experience and the capture of more value. Raboy also stresses the importance of not being derivative and outsourcing your fate to someone else. This strategy can be more capital intensive and risky, but when it works, it can lead to significant success. As Paul Graham said, "if your technology is better but potential customers are too set in their ways to switch, use it yourself and compete with them."

    • Identifying Anomalies for Successful Companies and InvestmentsAnomalies, unexpected and different aspects, signal potential for paradigm shifts and 10x growth. As an investor, they are positive indicators. Identify anomalies through pattern recognition, data analysis, or 'why' questions.

      Successful companies and investments often involve something anomalous or unexpected. This could be an unusual aspect of the team, technology, or market response. The presence of anomalies signals the potential for paradigm shifts and 10x growth. However, the strategic advantage usually comes later as the business becomes easier to run over time. Anomalies serve as clues to hidden opportunities and can lead to epiphanies that drive significant growth. From an operating executive perspective, anomalies can be good or bad, but as an investor, they are almost always positive. Anomalies can be identified through pattern recognition, analyzing data, or asking "why" questions. The difference between anomalies and secrets lies in their nature: anomalies are unexpected and different, while secrets are hidden advantages that need to be protected. The importance of protecting secrets becomes less critical as a company matures. In the early stages, it's essential to keep trade secrets and competitive advantages confidential. However, as a company grows, transparency and collaboration become more valuable. Ultimately, focusing on identifying anomalies and understanding their underlying causes is key to finding and funding successful companies.

    • Discovering new secrets for continued successSuccessful companies must continually discover new secrets to stay ahead. In the real estate industry, focusing on homes as commodities drove early success, but data network effects provide a new advantage. In digital health, trust and past successes help overcome skepticism.

      Successful companies often begin with a "secret" - a unique belief or approach that sets them apart from the competition. However, as the company grows and becomes more successful, this secret may no longer provide a competitive advantage, and new secrets must be discovered to drive continued innovation. For example, in the real estate industry, the secret that homes are more commodity than art may have propelled companies like Opendoor in their early stages. But as they become more established, they must continue to find new secrets to stay ahead. In the digital health sector, companies can build advantages through data network effects, which allow them to make their products better for existing users and attract new ones. It's essential to identify the specific factors that make a business get better every year and isolate those for continued success. For instance, in digital health, building trust with customers and demonstrating past successes can help overcome initial skepticism.

    • Creating Trust in Complex Industries: A Case Study of PayPal and Digital HealthPayPal built trust through insurance guarantees, FDIC insurance, and innovative solutions. Digital health, a complex industry, requires technology to improve outcomes, reduce costs, and enhance user experience. Companies like Guardant Health exemplify the potential for innovation in healthcare.

      Building trust is crucial for the success of a startup, especially in industries where the user experience leaves much to be desired and the stakes are high. As the example of PayPal illustrates, creating trust can be achieved through various means, such as insurance guarantees, FDIC insurance, or innovative solutions that address specific pain points. In the case of digital health, the industry represents a significant portion of the US economy, and there is a clear need for innovation to improve outcomes, reduce costs, and enhance the user experience. The healthcare sector, unlike financial services, has seen costs rise and is more intermediated, making it a complex market. However, the potential for technology to revolutionize healthcare by improving all three aspects at once is immense. Companies like Guardant Health, which offer non-invasive cancer detection through a blood test, exemplify this potential. Ultimately, the key for investors is to identify opportunities where technology can be leveraged to create meaningful improvements in healthcare, while also addressing the unique challenges of the industry.

    • Assessing a founder's ability to recruit talentSuccessful founders, executives, investors, and board members all have the ability to recruit top talent, but their primary goals and risks differ. Understanding these unique challenges and requirements is crucial for making informed decisions.

      Evaluating a founder's ability to recruit talent is crucial in early-stage investments. This can be assessed through their prior experiences and the responses of potential hires. Operating executives, entrepreneurs, investors, and board members all have different skill sets, but the ability to recruit talent is transferable among these roles. However, the primary goals and risks associated with each role differ significantly. For executives, the focus is on output and decision-making, while for investors, it's about providing feedback and identifying potential opportunities. The risk profiles and decision-making processes also vary between these roles, making it essential for individuals to understand the unique challenges and requirements of each position. Ultimately, successful executives and investors possess the ability to assess talent and make informed decisions based on their specific roles and risk tolerances.

    • Investors vs Executives: Different Roles, Different SkillsInvestors focus on intellectual curiosity and contrarian thinking, while executives focus on implementation and team building. Problem identification is a crucial skill for founders.

      Investing and executing are two distinct roles with different skill sets. Investors, who are often working independently, need to be intellectually curious, contrarian thinkers who can make decisions based on their own analysis. They get paid to learn and explore new ideas, unlike executives who focus on implementing strategies in sync with their team. Contrarian thinking is a crucial skill for investors, and it's not always an easy one to practice. For instance, the lean startup movement, which emphasizes building a business with minimal resources, is a controversial idea that some investors, like the speaker, believe is flawed. Instead, they suggest starting with a clear vision, assembling the right team, securing funding, and marketing the product to sell tickets (customers). Problem identification is a critical skill for founders, and it doesn't necessarily require being a great problem solver. Instead, it involves recognizing a valuable problem worth solving and having the ability to cast the right team to help bring the solution to life.

    • Identifying a problem worth solving vs executing the solutionSuccessful founders have both the ability to identify valuable opportunities and execute solutions, but in the early stages, it's risky to separate them. Emulate successful strategies instead of just avoiding bad ideas, and focus on experiments with a 10x upside.

      While recognizing a valuable opportunity and having the ability to solve it often go hand in hand for successful founders, they can be separate skills. The ability to identify a problem worth solving and the theoretical approach to solve it can be divorced from the actual execution. However, in the early stages, it's risky to separate them as the solution might be too challenging and require immense energy and tenacity. But, people with great potential to be successful founders may not always have the best ideas, and redirecting them towards a better opportunity could lead to a successful company. The lean startup idea, which emphasizes experimentation, iteration, and tinkering, is not to be objected to, but the criteria for a successful experiment should have a 10x upside. It's essential to learn from successful companies and emulate their strategies rather than just avoiding bad ideas. Apple is a prime example of a company that is often overlooked for emulation due to its obsession around design.

    • Apple's Decision Making Process InsightsEffective business involves skills, strategy, and understanding key dimensions. Identify talent with clear value proposition, adapt strategies, work with designers, and consider physical vs digital advantages.

      Effective decision making and success in business involve a combination of practical skills, strategic thinking, and an understanding of key dimensions like vertical integration and closed versus open systems. The book "Creative Selection" offers valuable insights into Apple's decision-making process. When it comes to identifying great talent, being able to describe your value proposition and understanding business equations are important skills. Being strategic means being able to manipulate variables in a business equation and adapt strategies when necessary. Additionally, having the ability to work with designers while keeping a primary focus on making money is a rare skill. Good design involves effective communication, usability, and aesthetics. Regarding the current opportunity set between physical and digital businesses, both have their advantages and challenges. Physical businesses offer tangibility and a direct connection with customers, while digital businesses offer scalability and the ability to reach a global audience. Ultimately, success in business requires a combination of technical expertise, strategic thinking, and the ability to work effectively with others.

    • Intersection of Design and Technology in the Real WorldThe next decade will focus on new capabilities in robotics, bioinformatics, and lifespan extension, leading to innovative products. Attach oneself to impressive individuals for learning and expanding network. Understand risk and reward equations in various stages and industries, focusing on the success of the company, not just the price.

      The intersection of design and technology in the real world has become more valuable since 2010, leading to the creation of companies like DoorDash, Instacart, and Opendoor. The design of these companies must cater to the real world, making technology a remote control rather than an escapist prism. The next decade will focus on new capabilities in areas like robotics, bioinformatics, and lifespan extension, leading to innovative products. The current investing environment values early-stage companies that are right about the company, not just the price. Career advice includes attaching oneself to impressive individuals for learning and expanding one's network. Additionally, understanding the risk and reward equations in various stages and industries is crucial. While price is a consideration, the focus should be on the success of the company.

    • Learning from exceptional people and smaller entitiesWorking with remarkable individuals and putting in extra effort can lead to significant learning opportunities, career advancement, and success for smaller entities, even when competing against larger companies.

      Finding and working with exceptional people can lead to significant learning opportunities and career advancement. This can happen through "osmosis" or learning from those around you, as well as through hard work and attention to detail. Another key point is that smaller entities, despite their size, can still succeed and compete with larger companies. These ideas, while perhaps contrarian, have been proven effective throughout history. Working with remarkable individuals and putting in extra effort can set you apart and propel you forward for decades. Additionally, it's rare for a large competitor to completely squash a high-growth startup. Instead, it's essential to focus on your unique strengths and advantages to stand out in the market.

    • Understanding the impact of information disseminationBeing aware of unusual leverage and potential counterleverage, the value of serious printed materials, and the overall trend of increased access to information are crucial.

      Being aware of an incumbent's unusual leverage and the potential counterleverage of a focused, talented team is crucial in various fields, not just investing. The accessibility of information in the 21st century outweighs the negative effects of potential misinformation or foreign interference. The debate over the impact of information dissemination on people's intelligence is absurd, as the net effect is what matters. Both information gathering and hands-on experience are valuable modes of learning, and reading serious printed materials is a great exercise for brain development. The history of information dissemination, from the printing press to social media platforms, has always had an impact on societies, leading to revolutions and power shifts. Paranoia about information manipulation is smart, but the overall trend of increased access to information is a significant advancement.

    • Investing in expertise and hands-on experience is crucial for excellenceInvesting in expertise and hands-on experience is essential for mastering skills in venture capital, beyond just reading books.

      Investing in expertise and hands-on experience is crucial for achieving excellence, whether in sprinting or in venture capital. While reading books can provide some knowledge, actual practice and feedback are essential for mastering skills. In the world of venture capital, differentiation is key, and investors like Y Combinator and Jason Horowitz have stood out by offering unique approaches and resources. However, innovation in venture capital as a whole seems to be lagging. The trend of venture firms acting as supportive partners to entrepreneurs, like Andreessen Horowitz and First Round, may be an effective strategy, but its sustainability is uncertain. The value lies in the efficiency and benefit to all parties involved, such as the recruiting services offered by Coastal Ventures.

    • Matchmaking services add value to all parties in the startup ecosystemMatchmaking services save time and resources for companies, provide curated lists for candidates, and add value for the service itself.

      Matchmaking services like the one discussed can bring significant value to all parties involved in the startup ecosystem. For companies, it saves time and resources in finding high-quality engineering talent. For candidates, it provides a curated list of companies that fit their specific criteria. And for the service itself, it adds value and increases the odds of success. This high-leverage feature is a key consideration for the speaker when deciding which services to subscribe to. Additionally, the speaker mentioned the potential benefit of hiring a communications partner for early-stage companies, as the economics of hiring a full-time comms professional don't make sense at that stage. A book recommendation from the speaker was "The Upside of Stress" by Kelly McGonigal, which argues that stress, when managed correctly, can lead to better health, wealth, and happiness. The speaker also shared that the kindest things people have done for him have been acknowledging the impact he's had on their careers or lives, often in unexpected moments.

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    My guest today is Dev Ittycheria. Dev is the CEO of MongoDB, the developer data platform with tens of thousands of customers in 100 different countries. He joined the company as CEO in 2014, taking it public in 2017, and is now approaching a decade of leading MongoDB to become a go-to choice for the most sophisticated organizations around the world. We discuss Dev’s philosophy for constructing an exceptional enterprise sales organization, why he feels a leader must be incredibly judgemental to drive excellence, and how he plans to guide MongoDB through another technological transition. Please enjoy this conversation with Dev Ittycheria. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:39) A CEO's Perspective Of The AI Revolution (00:05:50) The Evolution of Apps From Trivial to Transformative (00:08:12) MongoDB's Journey From Startup to AI Era (00:10:03) Building a Modern Database Company: MongoDB's Story (00:13:19) The Long-Term Vision for MongoDB  (00:15:51) Dev’s Formative Experiences as a Tech CEO (00:19:18) The Art of Enterprise Sales (00:25:28) The Development of Dev as a Leader (00:29:01) Getting the Most Out of Your Talent (00:33:17) Managing a Multi-Product, Multi-Channel Enterprise (00:37:29) Dev’s Recruiting Philosophy (00:43:12) The Role of Leadership and Mentorship in Career Growth (00:46:08) Dev’s Deepest Worry With MongoDB (00:49:35) Personal Investment Philosophy and Identifying Potential (00:53:52) The Art of Leadership: Accountability and Development (00:57:50) Learning from Legends: Andy Grove's Management Insights (01:02:54) The Power in MongoDB’s Business (01:06:13) Up Next for Dev and MongoDB (01:08:34) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Dev

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    My guest today is Nico Wittenborn. Nico is the founder of Adjacent, a venture firm that looks for what he describes as the “adjacent possible” for their next investment. Nico has zoned in on the consumer subscription market as his ideal candidate, making early investments in Calm App, Photoroom, and Oura Ring. Nico does virtually all steps of the investing process on his own as he believes this allows him to be as close to finding the truth as possible. We discuss sharpening your intuition, evaluating the subscription business model, and exploring the adjacent possible. Please enjoy this conversation with Nico Wittenborn.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for the investor. With traditional research vendors, the diligence process is slow, fragmented, and expensive. That leaves investors competing on how well they can aggregate data — not on their unique ability to analyze insights and make great investment decisions. Tegus offers an end-to-end platform with all the data you need to get up to speed on a company or market: up-to-the-minute financials, customizable models, management and culture checks, and, of course, our vast and growing library of expert call transcripts. Tegus is changing the world of expert research. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:30) Intuition in Investment Decisions (00:05:08) The Philosophy of Adjacency in Venture Capital (00:12:51) Exploring Consumer Subscription Models (00:18:16) Common Mistakes In Subscription Pricing (00:22:41) Errors in Product Roll-Out Strategy (00:28:50) The Sucess of BirdBuddy (00:33:45) What It Means To Be a Great Product (00:38:21) Solo Investing vs. Being Part of a Big Firm (00:43:12) Building On Your Own Experience As a Founder (00:44:49) The Rise of Individual Investors and Their Impact (00:50:52) The Strategic Advantage of Staying Small in Venture Capital (00:52:02) Deep Dive into Founder Questions and Consumer Subscription Insights (00:54:09) Leveraging AI and Technological Advances for Growth (00:59:13) Exploring Future Investments and Market Opportunities (01:05:13) Areas to Explore On The Value Curve For Consumer Subscription  (01:12:32) Advice For Those Interest In Nico’s Path  (01:20:10) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Nico

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    We are excited to share a great conversation with Mitch Rales, the co-founder of Danaher and one of the living legends in the world of business and investing. Consider that Danaher has annualized at over 21% for four decades, resulting in an 1800-times multiple on invested capital! This is Mitch's first long-form interview of any kind, and he covers his entire history and business philosophy. Interviewing Mitch are Paul Buser and Rick Buhrman, who host the Art of Investing podcast on the Colossus network. Please enjoy this comprehensive discussion with Mitch Rales. Listen to more Art of Investing. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Passthrough. If you've ever filled out a subscription document to invest in a fund or worked with LPs to fill out their docs to invest in your fund, you know what a nightmare this exercise can be. Passthrough finally solves this problem. They configure custom workflows for your electronic subscription agreements and KYC & AML requirements to shrink the time for your investors to complete their sub docs. It's the best way to manage a critical part of your relationship with your LPs and is simply a drastically better experience for both investing firms and LPs alike. To learn more, go to passthrough.com. This episode is brought to you by Tegus, the only investment research platform built for fundamental investors. Whether you’re trying to get up to speed on a new market or keep tabs on a portfolio company, Tegus is the end-to-end investment research platform you need. With Tegus, you can quickly understand a company's business model, drivers, benchmarks, and management quality. To monitor an entire market, download our pre-built financial models — or update your own with the latest data using Tegus’ new Excel Add-In. Tegus gives you all of this and more, all bundled into a single software license. Find out why 95% of the top 20 global private equity firms are Tegus customers. Learn more and get your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Art of Investing is a property of Pine Grove Studios in collaboration with Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Art of Investing, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes (00:00:00) - Welcome to The Art of Investing (00:05:32) - The Philosophy Behind Glenstone's Creation (00:12:57) - Benchmarking and Continuous Improvement: Lessons from Danaher and Glenstone (00:21:22) - The Influence of Mitch’s Father and Upbringing (00:28:43) - Transforming Danaher During The George Sherman (00:30:39) - Embracing Long-Term Vision and Patience (00:36:47) - The Role of Leadership in Navigating Change (00:42:21) - Danaher's Evolutionary Journey: From 1.0 to 4.0 (00:56:37) - Building a Culture of Internal Growth and External Innovation (00:58:42) - The Art of Successful Acquisitions and Integration Strategies (01:03:03) - Seeking Leadership Qualities and Business Traits for Long-Term Success (01:06:14) - The Journey from Personal Experience to Philanthropy (01:13:10) - Investment Philosophy: Concentration vs. Diversification (01:29:46) - Operational Expertise as a Catalyst for Company Growth (01:34:17) - Identifying and Supporting Talent in Business (01:43:02) - The Impact of Secular Trends on Long-Term Investments (01:49:53) - Revitalizing the Washington Commanders (01:57:36) - Engaging with Fans and Building a Winning Culture (02:05:16) - The Importance of Long-Term Vision

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