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    Let's talk about Hillary Clinton's policy ideas, with Jonathan Cohn

    enOctober 18, 2016

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    • Simplifying Financial Processes for Businesses and IndividualsMercury streamlines financial workflows for companies, while Wise simplifies international money transfers and currency management for individuals.

      Both Mercury and Wise offer solutions that simplify complex financial processes for businesses and individuals respectively. Mercury focuses on streamlining financial workflows for ambitious companies, while Wise makes international money transfers and currency management easier. In the political sphere, Hillary Clinton's policy agenda remains a topic of interest, with her campaign facing challenges in articulating a clear, unifying theory. Journalist Jonathan Cohen, a guest on The Ezra Klein Show, discusses the importance of understanding Clinton's policy platform, which encompasses various issues including healthcare and economic policies like family and paid family leave. Despite the complexity of her platform, Cohen emphasizes its potential significance should Clinton be elected as the next U.S. President.

    • Understanding Hillary Clinton's Complex Political IdentityHillary Clinton's political stance is a blend of progressive domestic policies and interventionist foreign policies, shaped by her approach to problem-solving and emphasis on inclusiveness

      Hillary Clinton's political identity and policies can be understood as progressive in domestic issues but more hawkish in foreign policy. This complex positioning has led to confusion for some, as her image has shifted over time. During her early political career in the 1990s, she was considered a liberal in the Democratic Party, but her foreign policy stance has been more interventionist. Her approach to solving problems involves studying issues, seeking expert advice, and proposing the best solutions feasible within the political system. Her platform emphasizes inclusiveness and ensuring opportunities for all Americans, reflecting her progressive identity. Understanding this nuanced perspective of Clinton's politics can provide a clearer picture of her policy positions.

    • Hillary Clinton's evolving political imageThroughout her career, Hillary Clinton has been committed to addressing inequality and helping low-income children and women, but her policies aimed at supporting modern family structures and the economy have not resonated as strongly with the public.

      Hillary Clinton's political image has evolved significantly over the years, with her being perceived as a progressive champion for equality and women's rights in the 1990s, but more recently being seen as a more conservative figure due to her associations with Wall Street and her voting record on certain issues. However, it's important to note that her commitment to addressing inequality and helping low-income children and women has remained a constant thread throughout her career. Despite this, her policies aimed at supporting modern family structures and making the economy more accommodating to changing family dynamics have not resonated as strongly with the public as they could have. It's unclear whether this is due to a reluctance to accept a more gendered policy message or if it's a reflection of the effectiveness of her campaign in communicating these ideas.

    • Discussion on Democratic focus during 2016 campaign: Work-life balance and family mattersThe 2016 campaign saw a potential shift towards addressing work-life balance and family matters in Democratic policies, but economic issues overshadowed this focus due to Trump's candidacy and the unusual election dynamics.

      During the 2016 presidential campaign, there was a significant discussion about the potential focus of Democratic policies, particularly for Hillary Clinton. The speaker in this conversation believed that the next big issue for the Democratic Party could be work-life balance and family matters, given the radical changes in American family structures over the last few decades. This issue fits within the larger context of the social welfare state, which aims to address unmet needs not covered by the economy. Hillary Clinton has a long history of advocating for policies related to this issue, but it did not become a major focus during her campaign. The conversation suggests that the lack of emphasis on this issue might be due to the dominance of economic growth, trade, and inequality in the campaign discourse, as well as the unusual nature of the election with Trump's candidacy. However, the gender angle plays a role in this discussion, as Clinton's career has been marked by her advocacy for these issues.

    • Gender divide in prioritizing work-life balance policiesRecognizing the importance of work-life balance policies for individuals and the economy is crucial to make them economic necessities rather than just perks.

      While issues related to work-life balance, such as paid family leave and better childcare policies, are important and personal for many women, they may not be seen as equally important or personal for some men. This gender divide can lead to a lack of prioritization and investment in these policies, despite their significant impact on individuals and the economy as a whole. The conversation around these policies has often focused on economic gains rather than the lives they improve, and this discourse has perpetuated the perception that they are "nice to have" rather than economic necessities. The past few years have seen a growing focus on labor force participation, but the drop in participation goes beyond what can be explained by demographics alone. It's crucial to recognize the importance of these policies for individuals and the economy and work towards making them economic imperatives rather than just nice-to-have perks.

    • Unlocking the Economic Potential of Women with ChildrenEconomic growth can be boosted by focusing on better work-family policies and supports for women with children to increase their labor force participation

      Hillary Clinton's economic vision includes a focus on increasing labor force participation among women, particularly those with children. This issue has been overlooked in recent economic discussions, but it holds significant potential for economic growth. Economists argue that by providing better work-family policies and supports, we can unlock the economic potential of this untapped talent pool. This not only benefits individuals and families but also contributes to overall economic growth. Clinton's commitment to this issue sets her apart from other candidates and demonstrates her understanding of the economic challenges facing modern families.

    • Hillary Clinton's Priorities as a Potential PresidentClinton's priorities as a potential president include infrastructure, immigration reform, and helping young children from low-income communities, but her strongest belief is in making American society more inclusive.

      Hillary Clinton's top priority as a potential president is not clear-cut. While she has signaled her intentions to focus on infrastructure and immigration reform, it's unclear which issue holds the most significance for her. Some believe it could be work and family issues, specifically helping young children from low-income communities. However, Clinton is known for her inclusivity and passion for making American society more diverse and inclusive, making her an "anti-Trump" figure in many ways. The debate around values such as tolerance, pluralism, and openness has taken center stage in the 2016 election, with Clinton advocating for embracing America's changing demographics. Ultimately, Clinton's identity as a politician is defined by her belief in bringing people together and making American society more inclusive.

    • Democratic Party Shifts Strategy to Appeal to Diverse VotersIn the 1990s, the Democratic Party distanced itself from liberal policies and certain communities to win back working-class white voters. In contrast, Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign embraced diversity, criminal justice reform, and immigration, reflecting changing demographics and advised by key advisors John Podesta, Jake Sullivan, and Neera Tanden.

      The 1990s Democratic Party, which was desperate after losing several elections in a row, adopted a strategy to distance itself from liberal policies and certain communities, including black people and immigrants, to appeal to working-class white voters. Fast forward to the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton's campaign took a starkly different approach, embracing diversity, criminal justice reform, and immigration. This shift reflects the evolution of American politics and the changing demographics of the electorate. Three key advisors shaping Clinton's policy include: 1. John Podesta: A longtime Democratic operative and former White House Chief of Staff under President Clinton, Podesta served as Clinton's campaign chairman. 2. Jake Sullivan: A former Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Sullivan currently serves as her Senior Policy Advisor. 3. Neera Tanden: A former policy advisor to President Obama and the current President of the Center for American Progress, Tanden is a key architect of Clinton's policy platform. These advisors have helped Clinton navigate complex policy issues and appeal to a diverse coalition of voters.

    • Hillary Clinton's Campaign is Driven by Her Knowledge and Surrounded by Experienced Policy AdvisorsHillary Clinton's campaign is powered by her deep policy knowledge and a team of experienced advisors, including Jake Sullivan, Maya Harris, Jacob Liebenberg, John Podesta, Anne O'Leary, and Neera Tanden, who shape her policy positions and prepare her for debates and meetings.

      Hillary Clinton's campaign is driven by her deep knowledge of policy and her own counsel. She is surrounded by a team of experienced policy advisors, including Jake Sullivan, Maya Harris, Jacob Liebenberg, John Podesta, and Anne O'Leary. Anne, who formally left the campaign to head up the transition operation, has a long history with Hillary and continues to be an important adviser. Neera Tanden, the president of the Center for American Progress, also exerts significant influence on Clinton due to her long-standing relationship with her. Clinton's team is characterized by a deep understanding of policy and a commitment to providing detailed briefings and advice to the candidate. These advisors play a crucial role in shaping Clinton's policy positions and preparing her for meetings and debates.

    • Hillary Clinton's Campaign Influenced by Academic Experts and Progressive OrganizationsThe Hillary Clinton campaign consults academic experts and progressive organizations for validation and feedback in its policy-making process, creating a broad coalition for its policies and enhancing its ability to get things done in the presidency, but the extent of advisors' influence is unclear.

      The Hillary Clinton campaign is influenced by a variety of sources, including academic experts like Joe Stiglitz and organizations on the progressive end of the intellectual spectrum. This influence is felt in the campaign's policy-making process, which involves consulting these groups for validation and feedback. The campaign uses this process to create a broad coalition for its policies and to get things done in the presidency. However, the extent to which these advisors shape policy versus the campaign adding or subtracting elements to secure support is unclear. The advisors themselves are unsure of their influence and the complexity of the process can add layers to the proposals. Ultimately, the campaign's ability to create a broad coalition and get things done is a valuable skill, but it can also result in policies that seem less sharp due to the need to accommodate various interests.

    • Political consensus on mental health and addiction policiesDespite external expert influence, liberal consensus shapes mental health and addiction policies, with Obamacare's implementation showing both successes and challenges

      The current political landscape, particularly on domestic policy issues like mental health and addiction, sees a high degree of consensus among liberals. This consensus makes it challenging to determine the extent to which external experts and intellectuals influence policy or simply validate it. Meanwhile, the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is in a complex state. While significant progress has been made in covering previously uninsured individuals, challenges persist in certain geographical areas due to insufficient competition in insurance markets. Obamacare's implementation varies greatly from state to state, reflecting the law's design that grants states significant authority over its implementation. Ultimately, the law is a mix of successes and challenges, and ongoing debates revolve around addressing its weaknesses while preserving its strengths.

    • Understanding the complexities of health care policyThe implementation and effectiveness of health care policies like Obamacare vary greatly, requiring ongoing adjustments to meet the evolving needs of the population. Political gridlock makes updates challenging, but giving the executive branch more power comes with risks.

      The implementation and effectiveness of policies like Obamacare vary greatly from place to place, making it a complex issue with many nuances. The lack of bipartisan cooperation in Congress and the gridlock in the political system make it challenging to update and maintain large policy architecture. The alternative could be giving the executive branch more power to make updates within the framework of the law. However, this approach also comes with its own set of risks and challenges. The discussion also highlighted the importance of understanding the complexities of the health care system and the need for ongoing adjustments to meet the evolving needs of the population. The lack of a clear, well-defined plan from the Trump administration on health care reform adds to the uncertainty and makes it even more challenging to find a viable solution.

    • Exploring alternative solutions to healthcare reform stalemateDespite political challenges, giving more power to bureaucrats, focusing on common ground, and exploring state lab solutions could lead to incremental improvements in healthcare reform

      The current political environment makes it difficult for effective legislative changes to be made, particularly in regards to healthcare reform like Obamacare. The speakers suggest that giving more power to bureaucrats may be a less democratically accountable but potentially more productive solution than the current stalemate. They also recommend that parties focus on finding common ground and making incremental improvements to the law instead of repealing or championing it as a campaign mantra. Additionally, they suggest that conservatives could explore using state labs to implement their ideal vision of healthcare reform. It's important to note that this is not a perfect solution, but it may be a more productive approach than the current polarized political climate allows for.

    • Intensity gap between GOP and healthcare reformDespite conservative health experts' support, healthcare reform isn't a top priority for the GOP. Obamacare's complexities and contradictions to conservative principles make effective opposition challenging.

      The intensity gap between Republicans and healthcare reform is significant. While there are conservative health wonks who care about the issue, it's not an animating issue for the party. Republicans are willing to take political damage for principles they truly believe in, but healthcare reform doesn't reach that level. Obamacare's struggles, particularly with its public-private partnership model, are making it increasingly difficult for Republicans to push for their long-held idea of market-based solutions. The marriage of liberal universal coverage goals and conservative market-based mechanisms in Obamacare is a challenging combination. Additionally, many conservative criticisms of Obamacare, such as high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs, contradict their long-standing advocacy for high-deductible plans. These contradictions make it difficult for Republicans to effectively oppose Obamacare while staying true to their principles.

    • Republican Party's Self-Defeating Debate Over ObamacareDespite liberal economists' suggestions for improvements, Republicans' attacks on Obamacare's high deductibles and market-based approach contradict their proposed plans, making repeal unlikely. Instead, they should focus on making improvements within the existing system.

      The ongoing debate over Obamacare and its potential repeal or replacement has become a self-defeating issue for the Republican Party. Liberal economists believe that implementing certain measures in a measured way could improve the healthcare system, but instead, conservatives are constantly attacking the high deductibles and market-based approach, which is contradictory to their own proposed plans. Repealing Obamacare, which covers around 20-30 million Americans, is a politically challenging task, and attempts to do so have already faced significant resistance. The Republican plan to let individuals keep their health insurance if they like it is not feasible, as millions of people rely on the law either directly or indirectly. The political landscape may change in the future, but for now, it seems unlikely that Obamacare will be repealed, and Republicans may need to focus on making improvements within the existing system.

    • Possibility of Repealing Obamacare and Its ConsequencesThe repeal of Obamacare was uncertain during Trump's presidency, with potential negative consequences for healthcare dependents but also sold as a tax cut to win public support.

      The repeal of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) by the Republicans during Trump's presidency was a possibility, although not a certainty. The speaker acknowledged that it could lead to negative consequences for those who depend on healthcare, but also pointed out that it could be sold as a tax cut to win public support. However, the speaker expressed uncertainty about Trump's actions, as his stance on healthcare had been inconsistent. The speaker also recommended three books that influenced their perspective on the world: "Common Ground" by J. Anthony Lukas, "The Social Transformation of American Medicine" by Paul Starr, and "Behind the Beautiful Forevers" by Katherine Boo. These books offer insights into race and class in Boston, the history of American healthcare, and life in a developing community, respectively.

    • Recommended Books by Jonathan CohenJonathan Cohen shared his admiration for several impactful books, including 'Thinking, Fast and Slow' by Daniel Kahneman, 'Guns, Germs, and Steel' by Jared Diamond, and 'Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind' by Yuval Noah Harari. These texts offer valuable insights and are highly recommended.

      The strong recommendation for the books mentioned by our guest, Jonathan Cohen. He expressed his admiration for these books and encouraged everyone to read them. The books in question offer valuable insights and are worth investing time in. Cohen's enthusiasm was infectious, making it clear that these texts have left a lasting impact on him. Overall, the conversation served as a reminder of the power of reading and the importance of sharing knowledge. We hope you'll consider checking out these recommended books and joining us again next week for another insightful interview on The Ezra Klein Show.

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