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    Liable for fraud, Trump to Detroit, looting in Philly

    enSeptember 27, 2023

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    • Trump and Biden Target Michigan VotersTrump and Biden are focusing on Michigan voters, with Trump delivering a speech at a nonunion plant, and Biden running ads on auto worker support.

      Former President Trump is making a play for the working class vote in Michigan by delivering a prime time speech at a nonunion plant, while President Biden is targeting Michigan voters with a campaign ad highlighting his support for auto workers and manufacturing jobs. The contrasting approaches come as the two politicians gear up for the general election, with Trump looking to win back some of the support he received from the working class in 2016, and Biden aiming to build on his victory in the state in 2020. Meanwhile, a New York judge's ruling that Trump and his adult sons committed fraud could have significant implications for the future of the Trump organization. Additionally, the writer's strike in Hollywood has ended, allowing production to resume.

    • New York Judge Rules Against Trump Business Empire for Fraudulent ActivitiesA New York judge canceled the business certificates of Trump and his company due to alleged fraud, potentially stripping him of control over key NY properties, including Trump Tower.

      The legal battle against Donald Trump and his business empire took a significant turn last week when a New York judge ruled that they had engaged in fraudulent activities, leading to the cancellation of their business certificates. This decision could potentially strip Trump of control over some of his key New York properties, including Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan. The judge's ruling came in a civil case brought by New York Attorney General Leticia James, who accused Trump of inflating his net worth by up to $2.2 billion in one year. Although the trial on the remaining claims and damages is still ongoing, the judge's scathing rebuke of the Trump legal team's tactics and repeated attempts to raise previously dismissed defenses is a clear indication of the strength of the Attorney General's case. Trump's attorney has vowed to appeal the decision. Meanwhile, Drake Enterprises' president expressed concerns about the potential impact of the widespread adoption of electric vehicles on his business.

    • Trump Faces Civil Fraud Allegations for Inflating Asset ValuesFormer President Trump's businesses are accused of civil fraud for inflating asset values, which could impact his political future. The ruling against Trump's argument that no one was harmed makes clear that such actions are unacceptable.

      Former President Donald Trump and his businesses are facing allegations of civil fraud for inflating asset values, which could have significant consequences for his political future. This case, which involves over $1 billion, is not a minor issue as it could make Trump a presidential candidate who was found to have committed fraud. The judge's ruling makes it clear that inflating assets for better deals and loans is not acceptable, and Trump's argument that no one was harmed by it was rejected. Ivanka Trump, who was also involved in the business, was dismissed from the case due to statute of limitations issues and timing. In the current political climate, a bipartisan deal to prevent a government shutdown exists, but its implementation is uncertain due to opposition from conservative House Republicans. The situation highlights the challenges of effective leadership in Congress and the potential for political gridlock.

    • Uncertainty Surrounds Government Funding and ProtestsHouse Speaker Kevin McCarthy faces a difficult decision as some Republicans may not support a short-term spending bill, while looters cause destruction in Philadelphia and North Korea expels a US soldier.

      The ongoing debate in Washington D.C. over raising the debt ceiling and passing a continuing resolution to prevent a government shutdown remains uncertain. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy is hoping that some Republican members who have previously stated they would not vote for a short-term spending bill may change their minds and support his offer to bring a Republican spending bill to the floor on Friday. However, there are still several Republican members who have publicly stated they will not vote for a short-term spending bill, leaving McCarthy with a difficult decision. Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, large crowds of looters swarmed and ransacked stores, leaving a path of destruction behind. Police arrested at least 15 suspects and vowed to make more arrests. The looting came on the heels of peaceful protests against the dismissal of charges against a Philadelphia police officer. North Korea has also made headlines, expelling US army private Travis King after he crossed into North Korea from South Korea. The circumstances surrounding King's expulsion and the accuracy of his reported confession are unclear. The second Republican debate is taking place tonight, with candidates trying to distinguish themselves from the pack and address the elephant not in the room - former President Donald Trump's potential involvement in the 2024 race.

    • Sleep Number's Personalized Smart Beds and North Korea's Expulsion of US SoldierSleep Number's smart beds offer personalized comfort and insights for better sleep, while North Korea expelled a US soldier for harboring ill feelings against the US.

      Sleep Number smart beds offer personalized comfort and support for each person, allowing them to choose their ideal settings. These beds learn how individuals sleep and provide insights to help them sleep better, featuring cooling and pressure relieving layers for comfortable sleep throughout the night. Sleep Number ranks number 1 in customer satisfaction with mattresses purchased in store, and currently offers a 40% discount on limited edition smart beds. In other news, North Korean state media announced the expulsion of US army private Travis King, who illegally crossed into North Korea from South Korea in July. The details of his expulsion, including when and where, remain unclear. North Korea claimed that King confessed to harboring ill feelings against the US due to racial discrimination and unequal society. This expulsion is not unprecedented, as North Korea has expelled foreigners in the past for similar reasons. In politics, former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson warned that Donald Trump would have no guardrails if he wins a second term, based on her experiences as a top aide to Mark Meadows. Hutchinson's new book reveals more chaos from the end of the Trump administration.

    • Testimony from a Former White House Aide on Trump's AdministrationFormer White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson's interview highlights the chaos and disregard for truth during Trump's administration. Some Republicans continue to support him, but the future may belong to those who prioritize truth and public service.

      Despite the numerous allegations of attempts to undermine American democracy and obstruct the constitution, former President Donald Trump continues to have a platform and support from some within the Republican Party. Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide, testified about the chaos and disregard for truth during Trump's administration, and her interview with CNN serves as a call for the party to change direction. Many who have worked closely with Trump have spoken out against his actions, yet elected officials have chosen to stand by him. The future of the Republican Party may belong to those who share Hutchinson's values and commitment to truth and public service. The lack of action from current leaders to address these issues raises questions about their priorities and the party's direction.

    • Battle over voting rights and Republican primary dynamicsThe Supreme Court's decision on Alabama's voting districts and the Republican primary dynamics are major issues shaping the political landscape, with significant implications for the balance of power and the nomination race.

      The ongoing battle over voting rights, particularly in states like Alabama, continues to be a contentious issue. The Supreme Court's recent decision to block the state's redrawing of voting districts, which could potentially result in one more Democratic seat in the House, highlights the importance of this issue. Meanwhile, in the Republican primary debate, Nikki Haley is expected to face scrutiny and potentially have a breakout moment. However, it may be challenging for any candidate to effectively challenge Donald Trump for the nomination given his significant lead in the polls. The delta between the top candidates and the rest of the field is significant, making it difficult for lower-tiered candidates to gain traction. The ongoing debate over voting rights and the dynamics of the Republican primary are key issues to watch in the coming weeks.

    • Writers Guild of America strike ends, new deal includes better pay and protections against AIThe Writers Guild of America strike has ended with a new deal offering better pay, improved benefits, and protections against AI use. However, rising interest rates could pose financial challenges for Americans looking to make large purchases.

      The Writers Guild of America strike has officially ended, allowing writers to return to work. The new deal includes better pay, improved benefits, protections against the use of artificial intelligence, and streaming bonuses based on the success of content on streaming platforms. Meanwhile, Neel Kashkari, president of the Minneapolis Federal Reserve, has warned that interest rates could rise significantly to combat inflation, potentially reaching 7%. This could lead to financial challenges for Americans looking to buy homes or cars. Despite the optimism surrounding the end of the writers' strike, the absence of confirmed negotiations between actors and studios could delay the restart of production. JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon's warning about potentially high interest rates underscores the economic uncertainty Americans may face in the near future.

    • Preparing for Economic Uncertainties: Higher Rates, Government Shutdowns, and Auto StrikesBrace for tough financial times, avoid new debt, focus on long-term loans, and be aware of potential economic disruptions from government shutdowns and auto strikes.

      Americans facing higher interest rates, potential government shutdowns, auto strikes, student loan repayments, and rising oil prices may need to prepare for a tough financial situation. The expert suggests avoiding new debt, focusing on longer-term loans, and being aware of the potential combined impact of these factors. Despite historical short durations, prolonged government shutdowns and auto strikes can significantly impact the economy, making it difficult for the Federal Reserve to make informed decisions without crucial data. The expert also emphasized the potential consequences for individual families, particularly those relying on government checks and services.

    • Convicted sex offender linked to murder in Baltimore, North Korea expels US army privateA dangerous sex offender is on the run in Baltimore after being linked to a murder, while North Korea has expelled a US army private for crossing the border.

      In Baltimore, a dangerous and armed convicted sex offender, Jason Dean Billingsley, is currently being hunted by law enforcement after being linked to the murder of tech CEO Pavel Leper. Billingsley, who has a history of assault and sex offenses, was released from prison in October 2022, and is considered extremely dangerous. He is also a suspect in another case, but details have not been provided. Meanwhile, in international news, North Korea has expelled a US army private, Travis King, after investigating his crossing into their territory in July. North Korea claims that King confessed to wanting to escape the unequal US society and harboring ill feelings against racial discrimination within the US army. It's unclear where or how King will be expelled, but he is no longer in North Korea. The expulsion is different from a release, as it indicates that King will not be returning to the US and may be going to a third country.

    • North Korea's unexpected changes and Trump's legal challengesNorth Korea's departure of US envoy signals new bargaining position, while Trump faces legal challenges over inflated asset values, potentially impacting international relations and business dealings.

      The geopolitical landscape is shifting with Kim Jong un's unexpected departure from North Korea and his potential dealings with Russia. North Korea's expulsion of the former U.S. envoy, Chavez King, could signal a new bargaining position for North Korea in its ongoing impasse with the United States. Meanwhile, former President Trump faces legal challenges as a New York judge ruled that he and his adult sons are liable for fraud and inflated the value of Trump's assets for years. This ruling could potentially end Trump's control over some of his key New York properties. The implications of these developments are significant and could reshape international relations and business dealings. It's important to keep a close eye on these unfolding events.

    • New York Judge Revokes Trump Business LicensesTrump faces legal consequences for inflating asset values, potentially leaving him with only his presidential and TV pension, and assets seized for fines and taxes.

      The New York Supreme Court judge ruled against Donald Trump and his associates for inflating asset values, leading to the revocation of their business licenses and fines for false arguments. This is significant because Trump cannot legally operate a business in New York without a license. The judge's decision, referred to as a "corporate death penalty," means Trump may be left with only his presidential and television pension, and his assets will be seized and sold to pay fines and taxes. Trump's actions are not unique, but the scale and frequency of the overvaluations set him apart. Meanwhile, the migrant crisis continues, with record numbers of asylum seekers making the dangerous journey to the US border. CNN reporters are on the ground in Mexico and New York, documenting the conditions and challenges faced by migrants.

    • Thousands of Families Travel Long Distances to Reach New York CityThousands of families, including children, are traveling to New York City from their home countries due to violence, economic instability, and other hardships. Upon arrival, they face new challenges and need essential services, while the city bears a significant burden. Long-term, families aim to file for asylum and build a new life in the US.

      The ongoing migrant crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border is resulting in thousands of families, including children, traveling long distances to reach cities like New York. These families have endured difficult journeys and left behind loved ones and familiar environments due to violence, economic instability, and other hardships in their home countries. Upon arrival, they face new challenges, including the need for food, shelter, and healthcare. New York City has established an intake center to provide essential services, but the burden on the city is significant, with over 116,000 migrants arriving since the spring of 2022. The long-term solution for these families is to file for asylum, a process that can take several months, if not longer. The ultimate goal is to help these families establish a new life in the United States, providing them with jobs and a sense of normalcy, especially for the children.

    • Border crisis and presidential race: Struggle for jobs and opportunitiesThe border crisis and the presidential race both underscore the ongoing challenge for jobs and opportunities for many people, with the Biden administration and Trump trying to appeal to working class voters in key states.

      The ongoing crisis at the US border is not just about the number of border crossings, but the constant flow of migrants seeking jobs and better opportunities in the US. Many have made it in and are encouraging their friends and family to follow, despite the challenges they still face. Meanwhile, the race for the 2024 Republican nomination may come down to a Biden-Trump rematch, as the latter tries to win back working class voters, particularly union members in key states like Michigan. The Biden administration, on the other hand, is reaching out to these voters with promises of good-paying jobs and increased wages. The border crisis and the presidential race may seem unrelated, but they both highlight the ongoing struggle for jobs and opportunities for many people.

    • 2024 Republican Debate: A Fiery Showdown Without TrumpCandidates attack Trump's record and policies during the 2024 Republican debate, with Menendez appearing in court on federal charges of alleged bribery.

      The 2024 Republican presidential debate is expected to be a fiery showdown between candidates, with a focus on attacking former President Donald Trump's record and policies, particularly regarding electric vehicles and job creation. Trump's absence from the debate has prompted his rivals to be more aggressive in their attacks, and they are using this opportunity to test out their talking points and differentiate themselves from Trump. Meanwhile, Senator Bob Menendez is set to make his first court appearance today on federal charges of alleged bribery, and he remains defiant, refusing to resign despite growing calls for him to do so. This debate and Menendez's court appearance are significant moments in the political landscape, with implications for the Republican Party and the Senate.

    • Childcare funding cliff: 70,000 programs at risk, 3M children without care, 230K jobs lostWithout renewed funding, 70,000 childcare programs could close, leaving 3M children without care and causing 230K job losses, potentially forcing parents, particularly working mothers, out of the workforce due to lack of affordable options.

      The impending expiration of COVID-era funding for childcare could lead to devastating consequences for American families and businesses. Without renewed funding, up to 70,000 childcare programs could close, leaving more than 3 million children without access to care and potentially forcing over 230,000 jobs to be lost. Parents, particularly working mothers, could be forced to leave the workforce due to the financial strain caused by the lack of affordable childcare options. The issue is not new, with many families already struggling to afford childcare, and the cost of doing nothing being too great for those at the edge of the "childcare cliff." While some politicians express sympathy for the issue, the question of how to pay for it remains unanswered. Advocates argue that access to high-quality childcare is essential for the economy and that the cost of not acting outweighs the cost of providing funding.

    • The US lacks priority for caregiving issues like paid leave and affordable child careThe US is the only industrialized nation without paid leave or affordable child care, hindering women's labor market participation and overall economic progress. Support for policies addressing this issue is growing.

      The United States is the only industrialized nation without paid leave or affordable child care, despite the importance of these issues for families. This is a bipartisan issue, with voices from both sides of the aisle advocating for change. The lack of priority given to caregiving issues is hindering women's labor market participation and overall economic progress. The necessity of addressing this issue is becoming increasingly clear, as evidenced by the growing support for policies like affordable child care and paid leave. NASA astronaut Frank Rubio's recent return to Earth after spending over a year in space highlights the challenges of readjusting to gravity after extended time in space. Similarly, addressing the caregiving crisis requires a significant shift in priorities and resources.

    • FTC and 17 states sue Amazon for monopoly, manipulation of third-party sellersThe FTC, under new leadership, accuses Amazon of having a monopoly, manipulating third-party sellers, and causing higher prices for consumers. The lawsuit aims to restore competition and lower prices, while Amazon denies the allegations and warns of potential negative consequences.

      The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and 17 states have filed a landmark lawsuit against Amazon, accusing the e-commerce giant of having a monopoly and manipulating third-party sellers, resulting in higher prices for consumers. The FTC, under the leadership of Chair Lina Khan, who first raised concerns about Amazon's market dominance as a law student, seeks to restore competition and lower prices, better quality, and greater innovation. Amazon denies the allegations and warns that the lawsuit could lead to fewer choices, higher prices, and reduced options for small businesses. The outcome of this lawsuit will set a precedent for how monopolies are defined and regulated in the digital age.

    • North Korea expels US soldier, reasons unclearNorth Korea expelled a US soldier for unknown reasons, while in the US, juveniles looted high-end stores in Philadelphia, motives uncertain

      North Korea has expelled US army private, Travis King, after investigating his crossing into North Korean territory from the Joint Security Area in July. According to North Korean state media, King confessed to illegally entering North Korea due to his disillusionment with the US Army and society. However, the circumstances of his release, including when, where, and how it will happen, remain unclear. The announcement came unexpectedly and questions remain about whether a deal was struck behind the scenes and about King's current condition. Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, a large crowd of juveniles looted high-end retail stores, resulting in multiple arrests. The motivations behind this crime wave are unclear, but it appears to be similar to incidents in other cities, with organized groups targeting specific stores and goods.

    • Criminal justice reforms and retail theftCriminal justice reforms, particularly no bail policies, have led to an increase in shoplifting and organized retail theft in cities like New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Seattle, according to retailers.

      The relationship between criminal justice reforms, particularly no bail policies, and organized retail theft has become a significant issue in cities like New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Seattle. The argument is that these policies have removed the consequence of getting arrested for shoplifting, making it an attractive "job" for some individuals. This trend has led to a rise in shoplifting and organized retail theft, as seen in cities with these policies in place. The debate continues on whether retailers are exaggerating the issue to cover up their own problems, but the National Retail Federation's data shows that theft-related shrinkage is on the rise, especially in these cities. Meanwhile, in the Menendez case, the allegations of bribery and espionage raise major questions about the role of an Egyptian American businessman in arranging meetings between the senator and Egyptian intelligence and military officials. The indictment details a complex web of relationships and transactions, leaving many wondering about the true nature of these interactions.

    • Republican Primary Debates: A Platform for Candidates to ShineStrong debate performances can significantly boost a candidate's polling numbers, but taking on a frontrunner like Trump requires a strategic approach. Candidates must differentiate themselves and engage with the audience to make their mark in the race.

      The Republican primary debates are an essential platform for candidates to connect with voters and donors, even when a frontrunner like Donald Trump decides to skip the event. During the first debate, Nikki Haley's performance led to a significant boost in her polling numbers, demonstrating the potential impact of a strong debate performance. However, taking on a formidable opponent like Trump requires a strategic approach, as shown by Carly Fiorina's successful attack on Trump's persona during the 2015 debates. The 2024 candidates will need to find ways to differentiate themselves from Trump and engage with the audience to make their mark in the race. Meanwhile, Trump's absence from the debate stage allows his rivals to seize the spotlight and showcase their abilities to lead.

    • US Government Shutdown Looms: Senate and House at Odds Over Ukraine AidThe US government faces a potential shutdown as the Senate passes a bill with Ukraine aid, but House hardliners may not support it. McCarthy's decision to bring a short-term spending bill to the floor could impact his future as speaker.

      The US government is facing a potential shutdown, with only three days left to pass a spending deal. The Senate is working on a bipartisan bill to keep the government open until mid-November, but it includes $6.2 billion for Ukraine aid, making it unlikely to pass in the House. Speaker Kevin McCarthy is trying to force his party to make a decision by bringing a short-term spending bill to the floor, but hardliners may not support it. The essential question is whether McCarthy will put the Senate-passed bill on the House floor, which could imperil his future as speaker. President Biden criticized McCarthy for not honoring the deal to keep the government open and warned of the widespread damage a shutdown could cause. The Department of Transportation would be significantly impacted, with hiring of air traffic controllers and TSA officers halted, and employees not getting paid. It's crucial for Congress to keep the government running, and the deal McCarthy and Biden agreed on in May/June should be honored.

    • Republican Politicians' Inconsistent Stances on Transportation and Worker RightsRepublican politicians face criticism for proposing cuts to transportation and worker rights, while previously using these issues for political gain. The administration and unions advocate for a just transition to electric vehicles, ensuring good jobs and quality standards.

      Some Republican politicians are facing criticism for their inconsistent stances on key issues, particularly those related to transportation and worker rights. While they have previously used these issues to score political points, they are now proposing cuts that could negatively impact safety and modernization efforts. Meanwhile, the administration and unions, such as the UAW, are pushing for a just transition during the shift towards electric vehicles, ensuring good-paying jobs and quality standards. The politics of this issue have become contentious, with some Republicans arguing that the administration's policies favor China over American workers. However, the administration maintains that their approach is necessary to ensure the US leads the EV revolution and maintains its economic competitiveness.

    • 2024 Republican Presidential Race: Trump's Lead Remains Strong Amidst ChallengesDespite federal charges against NJ Sen. Menendez and criticism from unions, Trump's lead in the 2024 Republican presidential race remains strong. Other candidates struggle to make a dent and consolidate support.

      The race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination is heating up, but former President Donald Trump's lead remains strong. This morning, New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez made his first court appearance related to federal bribery charges, and 26 of his Democratic colleagues have called for his resignation. Meanwhile, Trump is heading to Michigan to speak to union members at a nonunion plant, a move criticized by UAW president Sean Fain. Trump's past promises to revitalize the auto industry have not been fulfilled, and his handling of the GM plant closures and the 2019 UAW strike are likely to be topics of debate. With Trump's lead expanding nationally, it's becoming increasingly difficult for other candidates to make a dent. The Iowa and New Hampshire primaries have the power to change the narrative, but if Trump performs well in those states, it could be nearly impossible for anyone to stop him. The challenge for the other candidates is to break out of the pack and consolidate support. The upcoming debates provide an opportunity for this, but Ron DeSantis, who was previously seen as the main challenger, is currently on the defensive.

    • Crucial Republican Debate for Haley and DeSantisNikki Haley and Ron DeSantis face critical scrutiny in the upcoming Republican debate, while Biden and Trump focus on union voters in the general election. The White House's German Shepherd, Commander, has bitten a Secret Service agent, an unusual occurrence for a dog in this setting.

      The upcoming Republican debate is a crucial event for several candidates, particularly Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. Haley is gaining attention and scrutiny, while DeSantis' campaign has faltered after being the "flavor of the fall" last year. Biden and Trump are also making moves in the general election, with Trump trying to appeal to union voters, a group that helped Biden win in 2020. Additionally, President Biden's German Shepherd, Commander, has bitten another Secret Service agent, making it the 11th known incident. This amount of biting is not normal for a dog in such an environment as the White House.

    • Training White House dogs to curb aggressionTrainers help White House dogs, bred for protection, overcome aggression from fear or protection through exposure and corrective measures, while Hurricane Heroes supports retired police, military, and law enforcement dogs' medical bills.

      Ensuring the safety of White House staff and Secret Service agents requires addressing the aggressive behavior of the White House's protective dogs. Aggression in dogs like German Shepherds and Belgian Malinois, bred for their protective qualities, can stem from fear or protection. A trainer would be able to identify the root cause and implement corrective measures, which could involve putting the dog in triggering situations and providing on-the-spot corrections. The dog may not even understand that its behavior is wrong. Meanwhile, Hurricane Heroes, a 501c3 organization founded by Marshall, covers medical bills for retired police, military, and law enforcement dogs to ensure they can live happy lives. During a status hearing for the suspect in the Go Go Beach Murders, evidence disclosure and updates will be discussed, including the potential discovery of trophies or victims' remains in the suspect's home and a DNA comparison between the suspect and evidence found at the crime scene.

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    Rutherglen & Hamilton West By-Election

    Rutherglen & Hamilton West By-Election

    Calum, Geoff and Andy discuss the aftermath of Labour's emphatic victory in the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election and what it means for the SNP, for Labour and for the Conservatives.


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    Atul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music

    Atul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music
    I've wanted to do this interview for a long, long time.Atul Gawande is a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He's a professor in the Department of Health Policy and Management at the Harvard School of Public Health. He is executive director of Ariadne Labs, a joint center for health systems innovation, and chairman of Lifebox, a nonprofit organization making surgery safer globally. He's a New Yorker writer. He's the author of some of my favorite books, including Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance and The Checklist Manifesto. He's a MacArthur Genius. Atul Gawande makes me feel like a slow, boring, unproductive person. What makes it worse is that he's a helluva nice guy, too. And he knows more new music than I do. There haven't been many conversations on this podcast I've looked forward to more, or enjoyed as much. Among many other things, we talked about:- How Atul makes time to do all of the writing, large-scale research, and surgery he does- His time working in Congress and in the White House- His writing process and how it’s evolved since his early days writing for Slate- Why he hates writing and likes being edited (and why I am the exact opposite)- His thoughts on ignorance, ineptitude, why we fail at things, and what hand washing has to do with it- How effective Medicaid coverage is in improving health outcomes- The ways we need to more effectively deliver existing knowledge and technology rather than always focusing on the next big discovery- What he thinks we’ve learned so far from Obamacare- How Rivers Cuomo from Weezer has applied lessons from Atul’s writing to his music- His work with the Clintons, Jim Cooper, and Al Gore and thoughts on their private versus public personas- How all the different parts of his life — the writing, the surgery, the policy work — come together into one single engine for actually making change- What new albums he thinks everyone should listen toAnd so much more. Talking to Atul was a real pleasure. I hope you enjoy it too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices