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    Life after climate change, with David Wallace-Wells

    enMarch 04, 2019

    Podcast Summary

    • Simplifying complex processes in business and climate journalismMercury Financial Solutions and Wise simplify business operations, while David Wallace Wells' climate journalism sheds light on the urgent need for action on climate change.

      Simplicity and precision are key to successful business operations, as demonstrated by Mercury's financial solutions and Wise's international money management. David Wallace Wells' book, "The Life After Warming," offers a painful but necessary reminder of the urgent need to address climate change, which is worse than many realize. Wells' approach to climate journalism, marked by honesty and a lack of canned hope, has sparked important conversations about the impact of climate change on our lives, our art, and our future. Wells, who gained prominence with his 2017 New York Magazine piece "The Uninhabitable Earth," entered climate journalism by chance, having previously focused on the near future of science and technology. Both Mercury and Wise offer solutions that simplify complex processes, while Wells' work sheds light on the urgent need for action on climate change.

    • Climate change is an all-encompassing issue that affects modern lifeClimate change is a pressing issue that impacts economic growth, conflict, and individual behavior, requiring urgent action and attention from all of us.

      The reality of climate change is much worse than many people realize, and traditional climate change coverage may give a false sense of security by underplaying the speed, scale, and severity of the problem. According to the speaker, climate change is not a slow process that will affect future generations, but a pressing issue that impacts modern life in various ways, from economic growth to conflict, and even individual behavior. The speaker's own experience of becoming more aware of the issue was marked by a growing recognition that climate change is an all-encompassing system that affects us all, not just those living in coastal areas or other vulnerable regions. The speaker felt that climate journalism was not doing enough to convey the urgency and scope of the issue, and this led him to investigate further and write about it as a journalist. The takeaway is that climate change is not just about sea level rise and polar bears, but a complex issue that requires urgent action and attention from all of us.

    • Impacts of climate change felt within current generationClimate change impacts, including extreme weather events, heat waves, droughts, hurricanes, wildfires, economic growth, and public health, are all-encompassing and will affect everyone, regardless of location, with current generation bearing the brunt of the damage from fossil fuel emissions.

      The damage to the climate from fossil fuel emissions has primarily occurred within the last 30 years, meaning the impacts will be felt within the current generation. This underscores the urgent need for action and responsibility going forward. Another key point is the expanding scope of climate change impacts, which goes beyond sea level rise and coastlines to include extreme weather events, heat waves, droughts, hurricanes, wildfires, economic growth, and public health. The consequences of climate change are all-encompassing and will affect everyone, regardless of location.

    • Climate change's profound impacts on warfare, agriculture, and livabilityClimate change will cause significant increases in warfare, violence, agricultural yield loss, and create hundreds of millions of climate refugees, making unlivable conditions in major cities by the end of the century if no action is taken.

      Climate change will have profound and far-reaching impacts on our world. For every half degree of warming, there's an increase in warfare, violence, and agricultural yield loss. We're currently on a path to double the amount of warfare we have today by the end of the century if we don't change course. The severity of climate change is often underestimated, with 2 degrees of warming being considered a worst-case scenario in the past. However, this is now our best-case scenario, and we're on track for 4 degrees or more by the end of the century. This would result in irreversible melting of ice sheets, hundreds of millions of climate refugees, and unlivable conditions in major cities. Climate change is not just one issue among many, but the dominant force shaping our future. It will impact every aspect of modern life, from agriculture to warfare, and will require innovative solutions to mitigate its effects.

    • Impacts of climate change beyond 1.5 and 2 degrees CelsiusClimate change beyond 1.5 and 2 degrees Celsius could lead to over $600 trillion in damages, displacement of half a billion people, and extinction of most other life on Earth. Understanding the far-reaching consequences is crucial to effective action.

      The climate crisis extends far beyond the commonly discussed 1.5 or 2 degrees Celsius warming threshold, with consequences at 3 and 4 degrees Celsius being largely unexplored. These higher temperature levels could result in global damages totaling over $600 trillion, displacement of half a billion people, and the extinction of most other life on Earth. The human and animal impacts of these changes are interconnected and far-reaching, affecting agriculture, ecosystems, and overall quality of life. It's crucial to understand that climate change is an all-encompassing issue, with challenges affecting every aspect of life on the planet. Moreover, it's essential to remember that temperature rise won't stop at the end of this century, and even if we limit it to 2 or 3 degrees, temperatures will continue to climb.

    • Understanding the Disorienting Mix of Urgent Responsibility and Elongated Impacts in Addressing Climate ChangeWe must act now to mitigate the worst impacts of climate change and prepare for a future of continuous, relentless change, requiring ongoing adaptation and adjustment.

      We are facing an unprecedented challenge in addressing climate change, as we must make significant reductions in global carbon emissions within the next decade to prevent catastrophic warming, while grappling with the fact that the consequences of our actions will unfold over centuries. This creates a disorienting mix of urgent responsibility and elongated impacts, making it difficult for us to fully comprehend the magnitude of the situation. Additionally, it's important to understand that the climate crisis is not about transitioning from one steady state to another, but rather entering a period of continuous, relentless change, which will require ongoing adaptation and adjustment. We must act now to mitigate the worst impacts and prepare for a future where nothing will ever be the same.

    • Using fear and alarmism to raise awareness about climate changeWhile fear can be effective in raising awareness about climate change, it's important to also consider a multifaceted approach, including optimism, sociological and philosophical inquiry, and other perspectives.

      There are different ways to approach the complex and urgent issue of climate change, and using fear and alarmism can be an effective method to raise awareness and mobilize action. However, it's not the only way, and it's important to recognize that there are also times for optimism, sociological and philosophical inquiry, and other perspectives. This was a lesson learned from a controversial 2017 article that prompted criticism for being too pessimistic, with the focus shifting to tone rather than the scientific content. The author, who has personally been awakened by fear about climate change, acknowledges the value of using fear but also recognizes the importance of a multifaceted approach to understanding and addressing this global challenge. The scientists' projections of a scary future for us should not be underestimated, but it's also essential to consider various ways to navigate this new world together.

    • Communicating Climate Change: Beyond Worst-Case ScenariosFocus on both likely and worst-case climate outcomes to effectively engage and inform the public, adjust, plan, and act to mitigate impacts.

      The way climate change is communicated often falls short of effectively engaging and informing the public about the true scale and urgency of the crisis. The speaker expresses frustration with the repetitive and condescending tone of climate change discourse, which she believes fails to reflect the terrifying reality of potential outcomes. She argues that focusing solely on worst-case scenarios can be overwhelming, but that it's equally important to acknowledge and prepare for the likely outcomes, which are still devastating. The speaker calls for a shift in climate communication to reach a wider audience and combat complacency, rather than focusing on converting the already converted. The ultimate goal should be to adjust, plan, and act to avert the worst outcomes while being informed and prepared for the likely ones.

    • Welcoming Approach to Climate Movement: Importance of Political ActionIndividual actions have limited impact, need political progress and infrastructure rebuild for effective climate solutions

      Individual actions, such as diet and travel choices, while important, have a trivial impact compared to what policy can achieve in addressing climate change. The speaker encourages a welcoming approach to the climate movement, emphasizing the importance of having as many people as possible care about the issue. The climate crisis is not just another environmental problem, but a complex issue requiring significant political action and a rebuilding of modern infrastructure. The speaker expresses optimism about the political progress being made, but acknowledges the challenge of turning that energy into effective solutions.

    • Understanding the far-reaching impacts of climate changeClimate change will affect all areas of life, including pop culture, technology, and capitalism. Prepare for a future that will be fundamentally different.

      Climate change will significantly impact every aspect of our lives in the future, and we need to start thinking about and preparing for these impacts in a more segregated way. Author Bill McKibben refers to this as the "climate kaleidoscope," where the effects of climate change will be universal and far-reaching, refracted through various lenses such as our pop culture, relationship to technology, and capitalism. We can't see the whole picture at once, but by examining specific areas, we can gain a clearer understanding of what the future may hold. For instance, the wellness culture we have developed may be a response to intuitions of environmental doom, and our relationship to technology may involve relying on it for solutions or distractions. The future of capitalism is also uncertain, as climate change could both be caused by it and threaten it as a system. Overall, McKibben encourages us to start thinking about and preparing for a world that will be fundamentally different due to climate change. Sign up for Shopify's $1 trial period at shopify.com/specialoffer to start growing your business and preparing for the future.

    • Climate change challenges deeply ingrained beliefs about progress and the futureClimate change can limit growth and progress, challenge beliefs about a better future, and complicate politics, potentially leading to increased conflict and negative tendencies.

      Climate change poses a significant threat not only to our physical world but also to deeply ingrained beliefs about progress and the future. This idea that future generations will be better off than previous ones has governed our emotional relationship with the world, shaping how we relate to our children, politics, and the economy. Climate change, however, challenges this presumption and could limit growth and progress in the decades ahead. The loss of this belief, which has been implicitly held, can make current crises feel more tragic and daunting. The interaction between climate change and current politics, such as the rise of self-interest and potential increase in conflict, further complicates matters. The naive belief that disasters will wake people up to take action on climate change may be misguided, as stress and anxiety are more likely to exacerbate negative tendencies. Overall, the impact of climate change extends beyond the physical realm, affecting our beliefs, relationships, and expectations for the future.

    • Climate migration could lead to political instability and a new global orderClimate migration could result in significant political instability, the emergence of a new global order, and potential authoritarian responses.

      The scale of climate migration could dwarf the European refugee crisis, potentially leading to significant political instability and the emergence of a new global order prioritizing climate action. While there's hope that communities may become more welcoming as numbers grow, the challenges of addressing climate change and accommodating millions of refugees simultaneously could lead to authoritarian responses. The impending shift in the global order may also result in harsh consequences for countries that continue to rely on fossil fuels. Despite the potential for an authoritarian response, some climate activists view this shift as an opportunity for progress.

    • Infighting among political groups hinders climate action progressUnity and cooperation are crucial for effective climate action, despite political disagreements, as the consequences of climate change affect various aspects of society and the future is being shaped now.

      Despite the urgent need for collective action on climate change, infighting and disagreements among political groups, even those on the same side of the issue, can hinder progress. This was exemplified in the discussion about the challenges faced in implementing the Green New Deal in the US, and the historical failure of Democrats to pass comprehensive climate legislation in 2008. The consequences of climate change impact various aspects of society, from economic activity and inequality to conflict and violence against women. Therefore, it's crucial for individuals and groups to prioritize unity and cooperation over ideological differences to effectively address this global challenge. As the UN emphasizes, the decisions that will shape the future for centuries are being made now, and it's essential to work with the existing systems and people to make a difference.

    • Political landscape hindered bold climate initiatives during Clinton yearsThe future is not set in stone; we can prevent climate horrors with moral responsibility and urgent action, despite political and practical challenges

      The political landscape during the Clinton years led to a defensive stance among many Democrats, making bold, politically impossible initiatives difficult. However, the progress of the Green New Deal, despite its limitations, shows hope for a shift in priorities. The major challenge lies not only in politics but also in the practical obstacles, such as long-term infrastructure projects and the reluctance to replace existing systems. It's crucial to remember that the future is not predetermined, and our actions will determine the story our children will inherit. The horrors of climate change are preventable if we act with moral responsibility and urgency. Despite the psychological biases that lead us to deny or compartmentalize the issue, it's essential to recognize that we hold the power to write a heroic story for future generations.

    • The Future is in Our Hands: Mitigate or Exacerbate Climate ChangeWe have the power to reduce suffering from climate change through negative emissions technology even if we miss the opportunity to prevent catastrophic warming.

      We are at a pivotal moment in history where we have the power to mitigate or exacerbate the effects of climate change. The future could be hotter or cooler, more or less suffering, and it's up to us. Even if we miss the opportunity to prevent catastrophic warming, there is still potential to reduce suffering through negative emissions technology. The responsibility we hold is both terrifying and empowering, and we are the authors of this story. For those looking to delve deeper into the moral and scientific aspects of climate change, I recommend reading "Between the World and Me" by Ta-Nehisi Coates, a New Yorker article by Catherine Schultz about the possibility of a major Pacific earthquake, and "The Fever" by Wallace Shawn, a play about awakening to the suffering imposed in one's name.

    • Addressing the Climate Crisis: Urgent Need and ResponsibilityEducate yourself about the climate crisis, advocate for policy changes, and take every action possible to mitigate its impacts and build a more sustainable future.

      Learning from this conversation with David Wallace-Wells is the urgent need to address the climate crisis and its devastating consequences. Wallace-Wells emphasized the immense responsibility we all bear to mitigate the worst impacts of climate change and alleviate the suffering it has already caused. He reminded us that the situation is dire, but not hopeless, and that every action we take, no matter how small, can make a difference. He encouraged listeners to educate themselves about the issue and to advocate for policy changes at every level of government. In essence, this conversation underscored the urgency of taking climate action seriously and working together to build a more sustainable future.

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    Observing the state of the global climate deteriorating sparked in him a deep call to action. With the carbon clock persistently ticking away to unfathomable bleakness, he decided to engage and make this his life’s work. That decision led him to enroll and graduate from the University of Waterloo’s Master of Climate Change program. After graduating, he worked for Sustainable Peterborough in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, as the organization’s Climate Change Coordinator. He was primarily tasked with assisting eight rural townships and two First Nation communities in chronicling climate actions to date and assessing the levels of greenhouse gas emissions emanating from each community.

    Presently he's the Climate Change Coordinator for the City of Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. In this role, he monitors and evaluates the extent of greenhouse gas emissions being emitted from municipally-owned assets and from the broader community composed of residents and businesses. One key project he's currently working towards is establishing a city-wide home energy retrofit program. The goal of the program is to alleviate the extensive high energy demand of Peterborough’s older residential homes.

    Lastly, his career aspirations are focused on making all municipalities in Ontario, Canada, more resilient to climate disruptions. This is coupled with decreasing the high-carbon lifestyles of residents and transitioning businesses to adopt climate-friendly business practices in communities. Achieving both goals will protect communities locally and aligns with the global climate justice movement. By 2050 he will know if he's succeeded or missed the target by a county mile. Wish him luck!

    Adapting Conservation to Climate Change at WWF – Re-Release

    Adapting Conservation to Climate Change at WWF – Re-Release

    In episode 115 of America Adapts, a re-release of episode 80, “Adapting Conservation to Climate Change at WWF”, Doug Parson joins World Wildlife Fund’s Shaun Martin to revisit this episode and to see the progress that has been made from when it was originally released on Dec. 17th, 2018. In the original episode we take a behind the scenes look at how WWF is adapting conservation to the new realities of climate change and helping governments prepare for the future in ways that ensure a place for nature. During this 8-month journey, Doug follows how WWF is developing a simple process to integrate climate change risks into its strategies and documents the challenges and triumphs they face along the way. This episode features WWF staff from 20 countries on 5 continents, telling stories on a wide range of topics including elephants, super-typhoons, and urban water scarcity – all served up with a strong dose of instant coffee and a side of chicken gizzards!

    Topics covered:

    • Part 1: Prelude – A world tour to learn how climate change is already affecting WWF’s conservation work in Africa, Asia and Latin America. @1:26.
    • Part 2: CLICSNAP – Thirty WWF staff from around the world convene in Nairobi to develop climate-smarting principles for conservation and National Adaptation Plans and have a lot of fun doing so! @17:10
    • Part 3: Follow up – WWF staff from Vietnam, Norway and Mexico talk about their experiences using the CLICSNAP process developed in Kenya with colleagues back in their home offices, and Shaun Martin talks about what’s next for WWF’s adaptation journey. @1:24:32

    Resources from WWF

    WWF Adapt Free, interactive and brief online courses covering climate change and adaptation basics for conservationists and their allies. Available in 7 languages.

    WWF NAP recommendations

    CLICSNAP Principles of Climate Informed Conservation Strategies 2018

    Environment and Disaster Management WWF’s portal for disaster managers and conservationists with resources to help reduce disaster risk and recover from disasters using environmentally responsible practices.

    WWF Climate Crowd Explore this crowdsourcing project to learn about how vulnerable communities are affected by changes in climate and weather, how they are responding, and how their responses impact the natural environment.

    Wildlife Adaptation Innovation Fund This initiative supports the testing of new ideas that have potential to reduce the vulnerability of wildlife to changes in climate through on-the-ground projects.

    Third Pole GeoLab Explore how climate change is affecting communities and snow leopards in Asia’s High Mountains through interactive maps and stories.

    Executive Producer
    Shaun Martin, World Wildlife Fund


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