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    • Childhood fascination leads to groundbreaking discoveriesIndividual curiosity and dreams can lead to significant scientific discoveries, even if they seem controversial initially.

      The curiosity and dreams of individuals can lead to groundbreaking discoveries in science, even if the ideas seem controversial at first. Adriana Ocampo's fascination with the stars as a child ultimately led her to become a NASA scientist, where she made a significant discovery regarding an asteroid impact that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. This discovery, which was once considered a radical theory, is now widely accepted in the scientific community. Additionally, the exploration of asteroids and comets, once considered uninteresting cosmic rubble, is now a priority in science as they hold crucial information about the origins of our solar system and the existence of water and life on Earth.

    • Understanding the solar system's past through asteroidsAsteroids provide vital clues about the solar system's formation and history, contradicting earlier beliefs that they are insignificant leftovers.

      The smallest objects in the solar system, such as asteroids, play a significant role in understanding the formation and history of our solar system. Contrary to earlier beliefs, these small bodies are not just insignificant leftovers but are crucial for answering big questions about the solar system's past. Going back to the very beginning, the solar system started as a disk of gas and dust around the newly formed sun, with no planets present. Asteroids and other small bodies are essential for scientists to piece together this history and even help protect us from potential hazards like asteroid impacts. The ongoing NASA mission and recent research in this field demonstrate the importance of these small celestial bodies.

    • The formation of our solar system was chaotic and violentThe solar system formed through collisions and dramatic orbit changes, leading to the creation of planets, moons, and the discovery of many more celestial bodies in the late 1990s due to perceived threats from near-Earth asteroids.

      The formation of our solar system was a chaotic and violent process. Planets and other celestial bodies didn't form smoothly, but rather through collisions and dramatic orbit changes. For instance, the giant planets were once much closer to the sun, but something caused them to move farther out. Some of these collisions resulted in the creation of our moon, as a large object struck Earth and a piece flew away. Despite the danger posed by these celestial bodies, humanity's fascination with them grew in the late 1990s due to a perceived threat from near-Earth asteroids. This fear was fueled by a false alarm in 1998 and popularized by movies like "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact." As a result, NASA established an office to study near-Earth objects, leading to the discovery of many more asteroids, comets, and other small objects in our solar system. Today, astronomers have cataloged over a million objects in our solar system, making it much more complex than the simple diagrams we learned in grade school.

    • NASA's OSIRIS REx touched asteroid Bennu and collected samples, revealing water. Lucy mission visits Trojan asteroids.NASA's OSIRIS REx discovered water on asteroid Bennu, while Lucy mission explores Trojan asteroids, expanding solar system knowledge and driving scientific advancements.

      Space exploration continues to uncover new discoveries about our solar system. NASA's OSIRIS REx mission marked a significant milestone last year when it touched down on asteroid Bennu and collected samples, revealing small amounts of water. Meanwhile, the Lucy mission, launched this fall, aims to visit the Trojan asteroids, which hold valuable information about planetary formation. Space missions like these require persistence and dedication, with Kathy Olkin proposing a mission to the Trojans as early as 2009 before finally receiving approval in 2014. These missions expand our understanding of the solar system and contribute to scientific advancements.

    • Studying Jupiter's Trojan asteroids with the Lucy spacecraftThe Lucy mission, named after a human ancestor fossil, will fly by 8 asteroids in Jupiter's neighborhood to study their composition and formation, potentially revealing insights into how heavy elements arrived in the inner solar system and Jupiter's role as a 'big blender'.

      The Lucy spacecraft, named after the early human ancestor fossil discovered in the 1970s, aims to revolutionize our understanding of solar system evolution by studying Jupiter's Trojan asteroids. These asteroids, which orbit in Jupiter's neighborhood, could provide valuable clues about the composition and formation of the giant planets, including how heavy elements like calcium and iron ended up in the inner solar system. The Lucy mission, which is being developed by a team including NASA, Lockheed Martin, Southwest Research Institute, Arizona State University, and Johns Hopkins University, will fly by 7 Trojan asteroids and one asteroid in the main asteroid belt. Studying these asteroids could help scientists unravel the mysteries of how Jupiter acted as a "big blender," bringing essential molecules to the inner solar system during its formation. The Lucy spacecraft, which has a cultured diamond in its optical system, even shares a connection to the Beatles through their song "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds."

    • A firsthand look at NASA's Lucy mission to explore asteroidsMichael experienced the surreal sight of entering a sterile clean room in a spacesuit to observe Lucy, a mission to investigate asteroids' composition and origin, using advanced instruments to measure temperature and communicate with Earth, potentially revealing valuable information about the origins of Earth itself.

      During Michael's visit to NASA, he got a firsthand look at the spacecraft Lucy, which was about to embark on a mission to explore asteroids in the Trojan cluster. The experience was surreal, with Michael wearing a full spacesuit and entering a sterile clean room where even his own notebook was not allowed. The spacecraft itself was a marvel, with a rectangular body, solar panels, and advanced instruments to measure temperature and communicate with Earth. Michael was struck by the importance of understanding the color of these asteroids, as subtle differences could reveal valuable information about their composition and origin. Lucy's mission was to investigate the presence of water ice and carbon dioxide ice on these asteroids, potentially shedding light on their origin and even the origins of Earth itself. Despite the excitement, it would take some time to get the results. Overall, Michael's visit highlighted the importance of exploration and discovery in expanding our knowledge of the universe.

    • Exploring Space: Understanding Origins and Preparing for ThreatsSpace exploration is vital for understanding our origins and preparing for potential threats, like asteroid impacts. Missions like Lucy and DART show our progress in uncovering solar system secrets and defending against threats, leading to future advancements and colonization.

      Space exploration is crucial for understanding our origins and preparing for potential threats, such as asteroid impacts. Lucy, a spacecraft on a mission to study Jupiter's Trojans, represents our ongoing efforts to uncover the secrets of the solar system. However, these discoveries could also bring awareness to potential dangers, like asteroid impacts, which could end life on Earth. NASA's DART mission, a test to alter the trajectory of a tiny asteroid, demonstrates our ability to defend against such threats. Space exploration, including missions to uncharted areas and research on small bodies, is essential for our species' preservation and could lead to future advancements, such as colonizing the solar system and mining asteroids. It's a long and complex journey, but taking baby steps now could pave the way for a future where we learn to live on other planetary surfaces and thrive in the vastness of space.

    • Exploring asteroids and interstellar objectsOSIRIS REx collected an asteroid sample, astronomers study interstellar objects, and some scientists believe we're experiencing an age of increased meteor impacts

      The exploration of asteroids, comets, and other small space objects is ongoing and revealing new discoveries. For instance, the OSIRIS REx mission successfully collected a sample from an asteroid 200 million miles away from Earth using a device resemaning a Roomba on a pogo stick. Additionally, astronomers are studying interstellar objects, the first space rocks known to originate from a different star system, and some scientists believe we are experiencing an age with more meteor impacts than normal. For more in-depth information, check out Michael Greshko's Nach IO cover story in the show notes. The podcast "Overheard at National Geographic" also covers these topics and more, including the study of interstellar objects and the potential reasons for the increase in meteor impacts. The podcast is produced by a team of talented individuals and is available for listening and review on your preferred podcast platform.

    Recent Episodes from Overheard at National Geographic

    Trapped in the icy waters of the Northwest Passage

    Trapped in the icy waters of the Northwest Passage
    For centuries, the Northwest Passage, the long-sought sea route connecting the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans through northern Canada, was a holy grail of Arctic exploration. Even now, sailing through it isn’t guaranteed. Mark Synnott, a National Geographic Explorer, writer, and adventurer, attempted to sail his own boat through the Northwest Passage to retrace the doomed 1845 expedition of British explorer Sir John Franklin. None of the Franklin expedition’s 129 men made it home, but what exactly happened remains a mystery.   For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Get the inside scoop on Mark’s Northwest Passage voyage and see gorgeous photos in the August issue of National Geographic. Watch Explorer: Lost in the Arctic, premiering August 24 on National Geographic and streaming the next day on Disney+ and Hulu. And to go even deeper, Mark will tell the full story in his book Into the Ice, coming fall 2024 from Dutton, an imprint of Penguin Publishing Group. Also explore: On paper, Sir John Franklin’s expedition seemed to lack for little. There were ironclad ships, steam engines, libraries totaling 2,900 books, and even animal companions—two dogs and a monkey. Here’s how it all went wrong. Explore another polar expedition gone wrong—Shackleton’s expedition to Antarctica aboard Endurance—in the Overheard episode “What the Ice Gets, the Ice Keeps.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: Modern Lives, Ancient Caves

    Playback: Modern Lives, Ancient Caves
    There’s a lost continent waiting to be explored, and it’s right below our feet. We’ll dig into the deep human relationship to the underground—and why we understand it from an instinctive point of view, but not so much from a physical one. (Hint: We’re afraid of the dark.) In an episode originally published November 2021, National Geographic photographer Tamara Merino will take us subterranean in Utah, Australia, and Spain, where modern-day cave dwellers teach us how to escape the heat. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Go below ground with National Geographic Explorer Tamara Merino to see how these communities have been living—quite comfortably—for a very long time. In Vietnam photojournalist and National Geographic Explorer Martin Edström created 360 images of the world’s largest cave, Son Doong. It’s so big that a forest grows inside of it. Ever zip-line to a remote island? Cartographers did, 30 miles west of San Francisco. What did they see when they mapped the hard-to-reach landform known as the Farallon Islands? Caves. China is home to some of the most intricate cave systems on the planet. These explorers used a laser scanner to capture never before seen images of undocumented caves. Also explore: South Dakota is famous among cavers for its web of cave mazes. Take a look at what they’ve found under the Black Hills. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: This Indigenous Practice Fights Fire with Fire

    Playback: This Indigenous Practice Fights Fire with Fire
    For decades, the U.S. government evangelized fire suppression, most famously through Smokey Bear’s wildfire prevention campaign. But as climate change continues to exacerbate wildfire seasons and a growing body of scientific research supports using fire to fight fire, Indigenous groups in the Klamath Basin are reviving cultural burning practices that effectively controlled forest fires for centuries. In an episode originally published June 2022, National Geographic photographer Kiliii Yüyan introduces us to people bringing back this cultural practice and teaching the next generation how to use fire. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? If you want to hear more from Kiliii, you can also listen to a previous Overheard episode where he shares stories from the many weeks he spent camping on sea ice with Native Alaskan whale hunters. And if you’re dying to see his photography, check out his website to see portraits of Indigenous people, Arctic wildlife, and more. Also explore: To learn more about Margo Robbins and her efforts to revive cultural burns, check out our article on the subject. The practice of cultural burning is just one of many subjects that Kiliii and writer Charles Mann covered about the ways Indigenous groups are trying to reclaim sovereignty. Read that cover story here.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: Rooting, from Into the Depths

    Playback: Rooting, from Into the Depths
    National Geographic Explorer Tara Roberts is inspired by the stories of the Clotilda, a ship that illegally arrived in Mobile, Alabama, in 1860, and of Africatown, created by those on the vessel—a community that still exists today. The archaeologists and divers leading the search for the Clotilda lay out the steps it took to find it. In this last episode of the Into the Depths podcast, which published in March 2022, Tara talks to the living descendants of those aboard the ship. She admires their enormous pride in knowing their ancestry, and wonders if she can trace her own ancestors back to a ship. She hires a genealogist and visits her family’s small hometown in North Carolina. The surprising results bring a sense of belonging to a place that she never could have imagined. Want more? Check out our Into the Depths hub to listen to all six episodes, learn more about Tara’s journey following Black scuba divers, find previous Nat Geo coverage on the search for slave shipwrecks, and read the March 2022 cover story. And download a tool kit for hosting an Into the Depths listening party to spark conversation and journey deeper into the material. Also explore:  Dive into more of National Geographic’s coverage of the Clotilda with articles looking at scientists’ ongoing archaeological work, the story that broke the discovery of the ship, and the documentary Clotilda: Last American Slave Ship. Meet more of the descendants of the Africans trafficked to the U.S. aboard the Clotilda, and find out what they’re doing to save Mobile’s Africatown community in the face of difficult economic and environmental challenges.  Read the story of Kossola, who later received the name Cudjo Lewis, in the book Barracoon: The Story of the Last “Black Cargo,” by author and anthropologist Zora Neale Hurston. Learn more about the life of abolitionist Harriet Jacobs, author of “Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl,” who escaped Edenton, N.C., through the Maritime Underground Railroad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: Ancient Orchestra

    Playback: Ancient Orchestra
    Sound on! From conch shells to bone flutes, humans have been making musical instruments for tens of thousands of years. What did prehistoric music sound like? In an episode originally published in November 2021, follow us on a journey to find the oldest musical instruments and combine them into one big orchestra of human history. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want More? A conch is more than just a musical instrument. A mollusk lives in that shell, and it’s a staple food in the Bahamas—so much so that overfishing is threatening their existence, but a few simple solutions may solve the problem. The oldest musical instrument was once thought to be a cave bear bone flute made by Neanderthals, but recent evidence suggests that the holes were made by animals rather than tools. More information about each instrument: The organization First Sounds found and brought to life the recordings of Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville. Head to their website to learn more about that project. Bettina Joy de Guzman travels the world, composing and performing music on ancient instruments. You can read more about her work on her website. More information about the bells of Bronze Age China can be found at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Asian Art. Check out a virtual version of their collection.  The conch shell sounds you heard were research recordings of the approximately 3,000-year-old Titanostrombus galeatus conch shell horn—excavated in 2018 by John Rick and a team from the UNESCO World Heritage archaeological site Chavín de Huántar, in Perú. You can read more about that research at the Chavín de Huántar Archaeological Acoustics project website. National Geographic Explorer Jahawi Bertolli is collecting the sounds of rock gongs from all over the African continent. Learn more about his rock project on Jahawi’s website. Flutist Anna Potengowski specializes in recreating the sounds of ancient flutes. You can hear more of her work on her Spotify page. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: A Skeptic's Guide to Loving Bats

    Playback: A Skeptic's Guide to Loving Bats
    Blood-sucking villains. Spooky specters of the night. Our views of bats are often based more on fiction than fact. Enter National Geographic Explorer at Large Rodrigo Medellín, aka the Bat Man of Mexico. For decades, he’s waged a charm offensive to show the world how much we need bats, from the clothes we wear to a sip of tequila at the end of a long day. The COVID-19 pandemic caused even more harmful bat myths and gave Medellín the biggest challenge of his career. In this episode originally published in 2021, learn why the world must once again realize that bats may not be the hero everyone wants—but they’re the hero we need. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? See how Rodrigo uses a multi-pronged approach—involving field research, conservation, and tequila—to help protect bats.  In a Nat Geo short film, Rodrigo ventures into an ancient Mayan ruin to find two rare species of vampire bat. Curious about the connection between bats and Covid-19? Explore why it’s so tricky to trace the disease’s origins.   Also explore: Learn more about bats: They can be found nearly everywhere on Earth and range in size from lighter than a penny to a six-foot wingspan.    Why do bats get a bad rap? See how Spanish conquistadors and Dracula convinced us bats are more fright than friend.  Bat myths have real-world consequences. In Mauritius, a government campaign culled tens of thousands of endangered fruit bats.  For more bat info, follow Rodrigo on Instagram @batmanmedellin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    How queer identity shapes Nat Geo Explorers

    How queer identity shapes Nat Geo Explorers
    Why would a scientist brave the stench of a car full of rotting meat on a 120-degree day? What can a unique whistling language teach us about humans’ connection to the natural world? And how does queer identity shape the research of National Geographic Explorers? In this episode celebrating Pride, we hand the mic to two Explorers: Christine Wilkinson, who studies hyenas and other large carnivores and created the TikTok series “Queer is Natural,” and Rüdiger Ortiz-Álvarez, whose soundscapes from the Canary Islands encourage us to slow down and listen to the world around us. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Why do some people prefer LGBTQIA+ instead of LGBT? See how society’s understanding of diverse sexual identities and gender expressions has grown more inclusive—and so has the acronym used to describe them. Before the Nazis rose to power, a German institute cemented itself as gay liberation’s epicenter. Discover the great hunt for the world's first LGBTQ archive. Although a large group of LGBTQ people celebrating their sexual orientation in public had been unthinkable just a few years before, the first Pride parades began in 1970 as marches commemorating the 1969 Stonewall uprising. See more National Geographic coverage of Pride at natgeo.com/Pride.  Also explore: Learn more about spotted hyenas, which live in female-led clans of up to 80 individuals. Practice your whistling and head to La Gomera in the Canary Islands, home to the Silbo Gomero whistling language and Garajonay National Park. Find Christine Wilkinson’s “Queer is Natural” series on her TikTok, @scrappynaturalist. And follow along with Rüdiger Ortiz-Álvarez on his Instagram, @rudigerortiz. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    A Mexican Wolf Pup’s Journey into the Wild

    A Mexican Wolf Pup’s Journey into the Wild
    For centuries, Mexican gray wolves roamed the Southwest. But as cattle ranches spread, wolves became enemy number one, and by the 1970s the subspecies was nearly extinct. But after the Endangered Species Act was passed, the U.S. embarked on an ambitious plan to save the iconic predators. We’ll meet the Texas trapper who switched from killing wolves to catching them to breed. And we’ll follow a team of biologists into the Gila Wilderness to introduce captive-born wolf pups into the wild. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Check out Peter Gwin's feature article on the Gila wilderness. Thinking of visiting the Gila yourself? We've put together a travel guide for you. Also Explore In 2021, a Mexican wolf named Mr. Goodbar crossed the border from Mexico into the United States, raising questions about how the border wall will affect animal migration. The Gila wilderness is also famous for one of the only venomous lizards in the world, the Gila monster. But climate change and human activity is threatening this charismatic reptile. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Playback: Deep Inside the First Wilderness

    Playback: Deep Inside the First Wilderness
    On assignment in the canyons of the Gila Wilderness, Nat Geo photographer Katie Orlinsky has a fireside chat with Overheard host Peter Gwin about telling stories through pictures. She chronicles how she found her way—from growing up in New York City to covering workers' rights in rural Mexico to the world’s most grueling dogsled race in Alaska.  For more information on this episode, visit nationalgeographic.com/overheard. Want more? To see some of Katie's photos from the Gila, take a look at Peter Gwin's article How to visit the Gila Wilderness. In her work on the Yukon Quest sled dog race, you can see what it looks like to cross 1,000 miles of Alaska on dog power. On Katie’s personal website, you can see more images, including from her time in Juárez. Also explore: And magazine subscribers can see Katie’s photos in our recent story about thawing permafrost. Sometimes that thaw creates pockets of methane under frozen lakes that scientists test by setting on fire. That story was also featured in our podcast episode about how beavers are changing the Arctic. If you like what you hear and want to support more content like this, please consider a National Geographic subscription. Go to natgeo.com/exploremore to subscribe today.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    She Sails the Seas Without Maps or Compasses

    She Sails the Seas Without Maps or Compasses
    For nearly 50 years, a group of Hawaiians have been sailing on traditional voyaging canoes using the methods that early Polynesian explorers relied on to navigate the Pacific Ocean—without maps and modern instruments, and relying on the stars, ocean waves, birds, and other natural elements to guide them. We meet National Geographic Explorer Lehua Kamalu, the first woman to captain a long-distance voyage on Hōkūleʻa, a double-hulled Polynesian canoe that was built in Hawaii in the 1970s. She describes what it’s like to navigate in incredibly rough waters, what it means to keep Polynesian navigation alive in the 21st century, and about her next big adventure: a four-year circumnavigation of the Pacific Ocean. For more information on this episode, visit natgeo.com/overheard. Want more? Learn about the Polynesian Voyaging Society and their upcoming voyage, Moananuiākea, a 47-month circumnavigation of the Pacific.  Read about Hōkūleʻa’s 2022 journey to Tahiti, which involved traveling 3,000 miles over three weeks.  Also explore:  A small number of people speak ‘ōlelo, Hawaii’s native language, which teetered on extinction during the mid-20th century. Learn about how some young Hawaiians are using TikTok and Instagram to make the language more accessible.  Hear Nat Geo Explorer Keolu Fox on a previous Overheard episode share how he’s working with Polynesian and Indigenous communities to study how their genomes have been shaped by history and colonialism, and how that data can help them reclaim land and improve health outcomes for their communities.  Visit National Geographic for more stories throughout Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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