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    Martin Casado - Entering Uncharted AI Territory - [Invest Like the Best, EP.381]

    enJuly 09, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • AI economic dislocationThe future of AI brings exciting possibilities, but the economic shift towards AI-generated content may cause temporary dislocation and slowdowns in the job market

      The future, particularly in the realm of AI, is expected to be a trippy, amazing, and wonderful ride, with new and unexpected developments in areas like creativity and emotional connection. The most pressing challenge on the path to this future is the economic dislocation caused by the shift towards generating content and creative work with AI, which may lead to periods of slowdown as supply and demand cycles align. However, the long-term trajectory is believed to be set, with AI poised to change the world in ways we don't quite understand yet. This change is reminiscent of past technological revolutions, such as the microchip and the internet, where marginal costs have gone to zero, leading to widespread adoption and innovation.

    • AI Inflection PointThe marginal cost of AI content creation and natural language reasoning is approaching zero, leading to a potential creative explosion and emotional connection, but unique challenges arise when applying AI to the physical world and the creation and labeling of data remains crucial.

      We are currently experiencing a significant inflection point in technology, specifically with regards to AI. The marginal cost of content creation and natural language reasoning is approaching zero, making it exponentially more accessible and affordable for individuals and businesses. This shift has the potential to lead to a massive creative explosion, as seen in areas such as content creation, emotional connection, and language reasoning. However, the application of AI in the physical world, such as robots, presents unique challenges due to the human brain's efficiency in navigating 3D spaces. It's important to note that these models are primarily tapping into human-created data and reproducing more of it, rather than fundamentally understanding the world. This means that the creation and labeling of data remains a crucial aspect of AI development. The potential impact of this technological shift is vast, and it's essential to consider both the opportunities and challenges it presents.

    • Real-world data complexityCurrent AI models struggle to effectively interact with and learn from the complexity of the real world, and finding new ways to create or discover structure in the physical world or develop synthetic data may be necessary for future advancements.

      While robots can effectively interact with and learn from human-created content, interacting with and learning from the complexities of the physical world remains a significant challenge. Current models struggle to "reign in" the complexity of the real world, and it's unclear whether we can economically exploit the structure in real-world data to train models. The majority of successful AI applications are based on human-created data, which is structured and economically viable. However, as we exhaust existing human-created data, we may need to find new ways to create or discover structure in the physical world or develop synthetic data that can effectively mimic real-world complexity. The path forward is uncertain, but it may involve a combination of new data creation methods and advances in our understanding of the physical world.

    • AI economicsNewer AI models that focus on reproducing human-created data have seen amazing economics, but economics become harder as AI gets closer to full 3D navigation and interaction with the physical world. Investors should consider domain-specific challenges, need for specialized teams, and first-mover advantage when evaluating AI investments.

      The economic viability of AI businesses depends on the specific application and the ability to create value from human-generated data. Traditional AI models that try to reason about the universe have struggled with economics due to the need for human intervention and the heavy-tailed nature of the universe. However, newer models that focus on reproducing human-created data have seen amazing economics. The closer AI gets to full 3D navigation and interaction with the physical world, the harder the problems and economics become. Investors should consider the domain-specific challenges and the need for specialized teams when evaluating AI investments. First-mover advantage is also a significant factor in building defensibility for these businesses. While many companies may launch with lackluster models, those that can create new user behaviors and build a strong brand and user base have the potential to become large enterprises.

    • AI model business sustainabilityTo ensure long-term success in the ever-evolving world of AI model development, companies must find sustainable business models through community, integration, or traditional modes, while addressing regulatory challenges and ensuring ethical development

      The world of AI model development is a constant process of innovation and adaptation. Companies launch models that gain traction, but eventually, they may lose users due to unpredictability and the need for new, improved models. To escape this "treadmill," companies must find a traditional mode, such as community or integration, to create a sustainable business. The competition between foundation model providers like OpenAI and Mistral is not a zero-sum game, but rather an expansion of the market with plenty of room for new companies to find niches. However, the industry faces significant regulatory challenges, and it's crucial to ensure that AI development is done responsibly and ethically. I believe that collaboration and open dialogue between stakeholders are essential to navigating these complex issues. Additionally, understanding the pervasive economy of scale in AI and the importance of defensibility are crucial considerations for companies in this space.

    • AI Fear and InnovationFear and rhetoric around AI could hinder innovation, lessons learned from the early days of the internet, open-source development and collaboration are beneficial, academia and smaller tech companies should be involved in shaping the future of AI

      The fear and rhetoric surrounding the potential dangers of artificial intelligence (AI) could be hindering innovation and progress in the field. This was a lesson learned from the early days of the internet, where similar concerns led to regulation and potential stifling of innovation. The speaker argues that while there are valid concerns about AI, there is currently no clear evidence of imminent threats, and the industry would benefit from continued open-source development and collaboration. The role of open source versus closed source in technology is important as it democratizes and commoditizes mature businesses, allowing for innovation and competition. The speaker emphasizes the need for academia and smaller tech companies to be vocal and involved in shaping the future of AI, as they have been marginalized in recent years.

    • AI talent pool shift, company-market fitThe rise of AI is leading to a shift in the talent pool towards deeply technical CEOs and researchers focusing on core science. Understanding both the technology and making the market pliable through education and organization is crucial for AI company success.

      Open source innovation plays a crucial role in security, safety, and technological advancement. The rise of AI is leading to a shift in the talent pool, with a rise of deeply technical CEOs and researchers focusing on core science. The debate on whether to back the core technical team or the commercial team in a company building an AI product is ongoing. The concept of company-market fit in the early stages of AI companies involves both understanding the technology and making the market pliable through education and organization. In the world of data, the importance of infrastructure for handling unstructured data is growing, and the convergence of structured and unstructured data is necessary for efficient handling. The maturity of the industry in managing data and acquiring new data is essential for continued growth. On the hardware side, advancements in managing large pools of super-unstructured data and efficient collection and labeling of data are needed. Companies like Nvidia are gaining attention in the AI world, but there is still a need for more advancements in raw hardware to keep up with the demands of AI.

    • AI and edge computingNew networking developments required due to different communication patterns and fabric needs for AI training and inference. Custom silicon investment surges due to economical justification for specific projects. Uncertainty lies in identifying value creation, but potential for growth is immense.

      We're witnessing a significant shift in technology with the rise of AI and edge computing, leading to massive innovation across the entire infrastructure stack. Communication patterns and fabric requirements for training and inference are vastly different from cloud workloads, necessitating new developments in networking. Custom silicon is becoming economically justifiable for specific projects, leading to a surge in investment and innovation. While some may view the current market as a bubble, others believe it's a necessary part of a disruptive cycle that will yield great companies and significant value creation. The uncertainty lies in identifying where the value will be created, but the potential for growth is immense. The speaker believes we're in the early days of this transition, and what may seem silly or goofy today could become the foundation of the future. The access layer to the internet and social dynamics may shift, and it's essential to stay attuned to these changes.

    • AI agents capabilities debateDespite ongoing debate, some believe advances in language models will lead to fully automated agentic systems, while others are skeptical due to technical challenges like memory, planning, and control loops. The speaker holds a bearish view but acknowledges potential for AI to assist in coding.

      There is ongoing debate within the AI community about the role and capabilities of agents, particularly in relation to large language models. Some believe that advances in language models will lead to fully automated agentic systems, while others are more skeptical due to technical challenges such as memory, planning, and control loops. The speaker personally holds a bearish view on agents but acknowledges the potential for AI to assist in coding and other areas. The definition of an agent, as understood by the speaker, involves a control loop and state maintenance. However, the speaker expresses doubts about our current ability to effectively handle non-determinism and converge on solutions for these challenges. Additionally, the speaker believes that the industry as a whole may be limiting the potential of AI by trying to force it into old use cases, and instead, should focus on the unique properties and applications of generative AI. Ultimately, the speaker is excited about the potential of AI for creativity, companionship, and language reasoning.

    • Virtual Reality SimulationsAdvancements in AI and virtual reality technology may lead to the creation of fully immersive, deep virtual worlds, potentially challenging our perception of reality and raising ethical considerations

      We are on the brink of a technological shift that will significantly change the way we perceive the universe, each other, and the world. This shift, driven by advancements in AI and virtual reality, will create fully immersive and deep virtual worlds that can be generated automatically from existing content. This idea, which might seem like science fiction, is not far-fetched, as we may be living in a simulation ourselves. Nick Bostrom's work on the simulation hypothesis suggests that it's possible that our reality is just a simulation created by advanced beings. As we continue to advance technologically, we might soon be able to create the next simulation. This idea, while exciting, also comes with challenges, such as ethical considerations and potential consequences. However, the speaker remains optimistic and calm, believing that the market and innovation will ultimately prevail.

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    Adam Sandow - The Power of Print Media - [Invest Like the Best, EP.376]

    Adam Sandow - The Power of Print Media - [Invest Like the Best, EP.376]
    My guest today is Adam Sandow. Adam is the chairman and CEO of SANDOW Companies and the executive chairman and founder of Material Bank. He has built an entire ecosystem of businesses and brands that have brought him into the game of media, materials, and beyond. From creating the beauty product subscription model to getting magazines in the hands of billionaires to transforming the design industry with overnight access to samples, when Adam starts a business he writes his own rulebook. We discuss the founding stories of his most interesting companies, his obsession with targeting pain points, and his philosophies for when to go all in and betting on himself. Please enjoy this great discussion with Adam Sandow. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best  (00:04:12) Building a Media Empire (00:06:01) The Birth of the Beauty Subscription Model (00:09:56) Revolutionizing Magazine Circulation (00:14:46) The Contrarian Approach to Media (00:16:08) The Origin of MediaJet (00:18:35) The Future of Print and Digital Media (00:27:25) The Genesis of Material Bank (00:35:23) Building a Compelling Model for Manufacturers (00:37:26) Innovative Logistics and Partnership with FedEx (00:40:32) The Importance of High-Quality Content (00:43:49) Building and Buying Media Properties (00:46:01) Creating Unique Value Propositions (00:54:22) The Role of Print in the Digital Age (00:58:41) Nurturing an Ecosystem of Businesses (01:03:37) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Adam

    Howie Liu - Building Airtable - [Invest Like the Best, EP.375]

    Howie Liu - Building Airtable - [Invest Like the Best, EP.375]
    My guest today is Howie Liu. Howie is the co-founder and CEO of Airtable, a no-code app platform that allows teams to build on top of their shared data and create productive workflows. The business began in 2013 and now has use cases built out for over 300,000 organizations. As Airtable begins to integrate AI and the latest LLMs into its product, Howie has maintained a focus on an intuitive building experience, allowing anyone to build out their workflow within minutes or hours. We discuss the future of the platform in the era of AI, his perspective on horizontal versus vertical software solutions, and his crucial moments as a leader in building a critical component to the advancement of productivity. Please enjoy this discussion with Howie Liu.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:06:49) Exploring Horizontal vs. Vertical Software in the AI Era (00:11:00) The Future of Customized Applications (00:15:28) Perspectives on AI's Future and Enterprise Adoption (00:18:13) The Evolution of LLMs and Their Impact on Software Development (00:23:33) Harnessing AI for Business Transformation and Innovation (00:27:28) Reflecting on Airtable's Founding and Evolution (00:33:23) Airtable's Approach to Customer Engagement and Innovation (00:39:59) The Impact of AI on Platform Versatility and Market Penetration (00:46:00) Achieving Product-Market Fit and Initial Monetization (00:50:23) Scaling Up and Securing the First Unicorn Round (00:51:52) Rapid Growth and Organizational Scaling Challenges (00:55:00) Reflecting on Tough Decisions in the Business (01:02:55) The Role of Capital Allocation in Expanding Airtable (01:06:55) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Howie

    Mark Groden - The Future of Flying - [Invest Like the Best, EP.374]

    Mark Groden - The Future of Flying - [Invest Like the Best, EP.374]
    My guest today is Mark Groden. Mark is the Founder and CEO of Skyryse, a company on a mission to make general aviation as safe as commercial aviation and change the future of flying. As you may know, helicopter accidents are far more likely than airplane accidents, and Skyryse is revolutionizing helicopter flight through a safer and simpler universal flying system. Mark is the quintessential example of somebody doing their life’s work and I have no doubt you will come to that conclusion for yourself after listening to his story. He’s determined, through Skyryse, to drive aviation deaths down to zero, and we discuss all of the details, big and small, that have laid the groundwork for realizing this dream. Please enjoy this conversation with Mark Groden. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:53) From Childhood Fascination to Professional Pursuit (00:05:47) Understanding General Aviation vs. Commercial Aviation (00:07:05) The Safety Gap in General Aviation (00:10:27) The Evolution of Aircraft Technology and Safety (00:16:20) The Mechanic of Flying a Helicopter (00:21:40) Justifying the Existing Dangers of Helicopter Flight (00:24:45) The Future of Flying Cars and Urban Air Mobility (00:27:23) Economies of Scale in Aviation and the Path Forward (00:35:26) The Evolution of Autonomous Flight (00:37:58) The Promise of SkyOS: Revolutionizing Flight with AI (00:42:04) Piloting the Future: How Automation Empowers Pilots (00:45:43) Exploring the Business of Flight and Future Innovations (00:51:08) What Is Holding Back The Future of Flying (00:57:08) Mission-Driven Innovation: A Personal Journey (01:00:46) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Mark