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This, the 109th episode of our award-winning series Master's Voice Podcast (MVP) on MediaBrief.com features  Saumya Rathor, Category Lead for the Potato Chips (Lays) division at PepsiCo India, in conversation with series host and Mediabrief.com Founder-Editor Pavan R Chawla. Saumya sheds light on the intricacies of brand management and marketing strategies and the overall ethos of the vertical she leads at one of the world's leading snack food brands. 

A journey of empowerment and innovation: Saumya, with extensive experience in companies like ITC Limited, Amazon India, and Marico Limited, and with academic credentials from IIM and Harvard Business School, brings a unique blend of experience and vision to PepsiCo, where she plays a crucial role in steering the brand's narrative, focusing on consumer-centric campaigns that resonate with youth and cultural insights.

Isse Kehte Hain Pyaar campaign: On their latest campaign featuring Bollywood celebrities Ranbir Kapoor and Neetu Singh, Saymya says that the aim was to showcase generational love for Lay's, leveraging the emotional connection people have with the brand. The campaign, titled Isse Kehte Hain Pyaar, aimed to portray the snack as a symbol of boundless love, but never sharing you favorite chips! 

The role of effective communication and consumer insight: Saumya shares how PepsiCo navigates consumer engagement in a digitally dominated world. She emphasizes social listening and responsiveness, outlining PepsiCo's approach to maintaining brand reputation through active engagement and prompt addressing of consumer feedback.

Creating comprehensive brand experiences: Further discussing broadcast and narrowcast marketing, Rathor highlights the synergy of traditional media and digital platforms in creating wide-reaching and personalized brand experiences.

Sustainability and Social Responsibility: A significant aspect of the discussion revolves around PepsiCo's commitment to social responsibility and sustainable practices. Saumya proudly speaks about empowering the agricultural community, including initiatives to help over 27,000 farmers, emphasizing PepsiCo's belief in giving back more to the world than it takes.

As the conversation concludes, it's evident that Soumya Rathor's vision for PepsiCo India's Potato Chips division transcends marketing metrics, aiming to create lasting connections with consumers, foster innovation, and drive the brand towards a more sustainable and socially responsible future.

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Srinivasan K Swamy (popularly known as Sundar), Chairman of R K Swamy Ltd, joins tMVP – The Master’s Voice Podcast series host Pavan R Chawla  for a conversation on the cusp of the company's historic milestone: becoming the first Indian integrated marketing conglomerate to go public and list on the Indian Stock Exchange. 

The IPO, scheduled from March 4th to 6th, comprises a fresh issue of equity shares worth ₹1,730 million and an offer for sale of up to 87 lakh Equity Shares, priced between INR 270 to INR 288 per share. Notably, the company raised Rs 187 crore from anchor investors on March 1st.

In the podcast, Sundar discusses R K Swamy's journey, its unique business model encompassing three distinct segments, and its impressive roster of clients. He emphasizes the company's commitment to long-term partnerships and high client retention rates. Sundar also sheds light on the company's growth trajectory over the past three years, its revenue trends, digital operations, geographical expansion, and research endeavors.

Additionally, Sundar reflects on the transformative shifts in marketing services and content, navigating through the emergence of digital advertising, OTT platforms, and video-centric mediums. He highlights the company's strategy to increase contributions from new clients across different business segments, including digital revenue growth, and the establishment of a digital video content production studio.

Sundar underscores the importance of staying close to customers and adapting to the evolving media landscape. He believes that the podcast episode provides a comprehensive understanding of R K Swamy's strategic evolution and its positioning in the industry. While expressing optimism about the IPO's potential as a good investment, Sundar advises listeners to seek professional investment advice before making any investment decisions.

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This, the 107th episode of our award-winning MVP - The Master's Voice Podcast, features respected professional Lakshmi Narayanan B, Chief Marketing Officer at CEAT Ltd as our distinguished guest, in conversation with series host Pavan R Chawla. Lakshmi leads marketing for India and globally at CEAT, which is a household name since it was established in 1958. CEAT stands as one of India's leading tyre brands, serving customers across more than 110 countries globally. 

In this insightful episode, Lakshmi shares his insights and experiences, shedding light on CEAT’s marketing philosophy and strategies. He emphasizes the importance of storytelling and customer-centric approaches, shares his pride at being a part of CEAT, and  speaks of its commitment to product excellence and customer satisfaction.

 Lakshmi speaks of CEAT's role as a driving force in the industry. CEAT, he tells me, has earned a reputation as a driver's secret among loyal customers. Lakshmi discusses CEAT's mandate to journey alongside customers, adapting to evolving consumer needs and infrastructural developments in India. 

We explore CEAT's initiatives to enhance mobility safety and cater to the aspirations of younger generations, such as the Enduro track program.

Lakshmi speaks of Reputation Management, some important Digital Marketing trends and CEAT's media mix and marketing channels including their strategies for IPL and digital advertising;  the last, with reference to last year’s IPL, and the next edition coming up soon. Lakshmi speaks of CEAT's corporate social responsibility initiatives and their partnership with the Maharashtra government to promote tyre safety awareness. 

Lakshmi also speaks of a couple of CEAT marketing campaigns, and shares why he swears by CEAT tyres for India, plus some valuable advice with marketing professionals seeking to up their work game at all times.

We also discuss CEAT's approach to leveraging celebrities and influencers in marketing campaigns.

Reputation Management is never-ending (it’s like a mountain you must keep climbing) – an Everest that’s a never-rest. He says. Creativity brings growth, says the man who  uses left brain, right brain, and heart. 

So, join my conversation with the remarkable Lakshmi Narayanan B (aka Lakshmi), CMO of CEAT Ltd, who speaks with a powerful mix of knowledge and strong, proven experience to give us several valuable insights, on our award-winning series, MVP - The Master's Voice Podcast. Tune in now for the insider’s view to the space of marketing and reputation management, with special and inspiring reference to CEAT's own marketing strategies and its excellent corporate ethos. Thanks for your time.

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In the 106th episode of the award-winning series MVP – The Master's Voice Podcast from MediaBrief.com, Samir K Modi, the dynamic Managing Director of Modi Enterprises and the visionary behind Colorbar Cosmetics, takes center stage with series host Pavan R Chawla, Founder-Editor of MediaBrief.com. Having celebrated Colorbar's 19th successful year, Modi reflects on his entrepreneurial journey, drawing lessons from experiences that shaped him.

From his early days as a restaurant steward in Australia, Modi learned the value of earning his own money. As a manager with a major tobacco player, he advocated for inclusivity and equality by uniting managers and factory floor workers in a common dining room. Modi's marketing skills flourished at Philip Morris, and he eventually embraced the challenge of overseeing multiple companies entrusted to him by his father.

Emphasizing continuous learning and collaboration, Modi credits his father's influence, stressing the importance of being a lifelong trainee. Sharing personal experiences, he advocates embracing mistakes for growth and advises young entrepreneurs to focus on the future, learn from the best, and maintain self-belief.

Modi highlights women empowerment as a core value at Modi Enterprises, with 50% of the corporate team being women. Discussing Colorbar's journey, he narrates early struggles and the brand's rise as the largest consumer of Italian makeup in India. Looking ahead, Modi reveals plans to enter the Russian market and open multiple stores.

Prioritizing growth without compromises, Modi believes in giving back to the earth, focusing on people, purpose, and the planet over profit. The podcast captures a profound conversation with Samir K Modi, offering insights and advice to empower professionals and entrepreneurs at all stages. 

A testament to Modi's success, this episode inspires with thoughts on continuous growth and the importance of giving back to the earth. Listen in for a compelling dialogue with Samir K Modi, the remarkable MD of Modi Enterprises,  a man who has navigated the entrepreneurial landscape with phenomenal success, always remaining driven by the pursuit of success, growth, and an unwavering commitment to, as we said earlier, giving back to the earth. 

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This, the 105th episode of our award-winning series MVP – The Master’s Voice Podcast, brings you a deep-dive, inspiring, often chuckle-inducing conversation with the remarkable Jo Jackson, CEO of the globally respected D&AD. 

As the first female CEO of D&AD, Jo passionately emphasizes the organization's commitment to diversity and equal opportunities. She sheds light on the D&AD Shift program, dedicated to empowering underrepresented emerging talents in the industry.

The discussion delves into the evolution of D&AD awards, exploring trends in award-winning campaigns and the influence of AI on the creative industry. Jo addresses the ownership of intellectual property for AI-generated campaigns.

The conversation takes a turn towards the creative industry in India, highlighting powerful campaigns addressing societal issues. Jo emphasizes the role of awards in encouraging innovation and learning experiences, advocating for greater exposure of Indian creativity globally.

An insightful point emerges as Jo shares a CEO's perspective on remote work versus in-office, providing valuable insights for leaders across sectors. The podcast concludes with a glimpse into D&AD's exciting future plans, including a website revamp and an anticipated in-person festival in London.

Jo unveils D&AD's commitment to a more accessible website, offering masterclasses for professionals at all levels, aligning with the organization's mission as a creative educational charity. The CEO introduces initiatives like Win One Teach One, reflecting D&AD's dedication to fostering a barrier-free community of creative excellence.

Well, then, the 105th Episode of the award-winning series MVP The Master’s Voice Podcast promises valuable knowledge and insights, and multiple surges of inspiration from a peerlessly  passionate, knowledgeable, accomplished and inspired creativity and design professional, and now the first female CEO of the remarkable D&AD – Jo Jackson, who is here at her fluent, inspiring best. Listen, chuckle, reap, revel. Thanks very much.

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This, the 104th episode of  our award-winning series MVP – The Master’s Voice Podcast, features highly respected and accomplished Industry captain, thought leader and expert Vikram Sakhuja, Equity Partner and Group CEO of Madison Media & OOH, India's largest independent Media Agency. Vikram is in conversation with Pavan R Chawla, series host and Founder-Editor of MediaBrief.com.

This, our first episode of the year 2024, is a very special Year-ender in which Vikram offers valuable insights and guidance for all professionals across Media, Marketing, Advertising and more; insights we are confident will empower them as they square up to exploit and face the opportunities and challenges respectively in their quest for profit and growth with purpose.

Vikram speaks of 5 important themes in this special year-ender:  

(i) AdEx Movement in 2024: Advertising spending in 2024 is influenced by changing consumer behavior. Digital media growth slows, while traditional media like TV, print, and radio is expected to grow by about 10%. Digital media seems saturated, and traditional media still holds a sizable and loyal audience base.

(ii) Industry Consolidation in 2023: 2023 saw significant consolidation in broadcasting and advertising sectors, driven by the pursuit of scale, efficiency, and profitability. Consolidation's impact on media distribution and pricing is discussed, with no immediate effect on the bargaining power of media agencies and advertisers due to a highly fragmented market.

(iii) Viability of Media Plays (Sports Rights and OTT): Vikram explores challenges and opportunities in sports rights and OTT. Topics include high acquisition costs, monetization potential, innovation challenges, and the role of media agencies in adding value. The conversation praises OTT platforms for diverse, high-quality content, offering a suggestion on facing challenges from YouTube.

(iv) Evolving Role of Media Agencies: The changing media landscape emphasizes the crucial role of media agencies in providing expertise and solutions. Challenges in delivering value while controlling costs are discussed, with suggestions on overcoming them through new technologies, processes, and mindsets.

(v) Importance of Safeguards in the Digital Space: Vikram stresses the need for a safe and transparent digital ecosystem, protecting the interests of all stakeholders. The role of third-party measurement is highlighted, suggesting tech giants lead by example to address issues like ad fraud, waste, and antitrust, ensuring accountability and trust in digital media.

So do tune in, and I hope you find the episode rewarding. Do email us with your feedback. Thanks, and have a lovely 2024!

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Welcome to episode 103 of our award-winning series MVP – The Master’s Voice Podcast, in which I am delighted to bring you a conversation with  cricket, business and sustainability luminary Phil Oliver, CEO of Desert Vipers from the DP International T20 League, where Phil and his excellent franchise are using the passion of Cricket to drive awareness about, and the impact of,  sustainability for the greater good. Join us as we explore the fascinating journey of Desert Vipers, the cricket franchise that not only aims for excellence on the field but also stands as a beacon for sustainability in the sports industry. Phil is on conversation with me, Pavan R Chawla, Founder-Editor of MediaBrief.com, and host of MVP The Master's Voice Podcast. 

 Phil  boasts over 15 years of experience in the cricketing world which includes having steered Desert Vipers to prominence as runner-up in the inaugural season of the DP International T20 League in the UAE.  What sets the CEO and his franchise apart is not just cricketing prowess but an unwavering commitment to sustainability. As Phil takes center-stage in this episode, he shares valuable insights into the challenges and opportunities faced by new entrants in cricket, all while emphasizing the pivotal importance sustainability has, and the crucial role it plays, in shaping their brand mission, strategy and growth.

 
Phil tells me Desert Vipers now stands committed to reducing its footprint with a clear vision of achieving net-zero status by 2040. He passionately discusses the urgent need for action against climate change and how the franchise is actively participating in the UN Sport for Climate Action Framework.

MediaBrief recommends: We urge our listeners to go, get their hands on Desert Vipers’ excellent report entitled Corporate Sustainability Strategy Framework 2023/24, here. 

Desert Vipers - Driving Purposeful Profit: Beyond the cricket field, Phil sheds light on Desert Vipers' initiatives to engage the younger generation through sustainable practices. The franchise is actively involved in spreading awareness through player engagement, social media campaigns, and interactive sessions with schools and colleges, plus indoor cricket games with corporates. Desert Vipers’ Sustainability in Schools Training Program aims to reach 8,000 kids in Dubai and India, creating a network of individuals and businesses committed to sustainability.

 Desert Vipers, and Diversity, Marketing, and Data Analytics: As the conversation pivots to the cricketing aspect, Phil explores the diversity of the 

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In this, the 102nd  episode of MVP – The Master’s Voice Podcast, Shashi Kumar, Founder and CEO of Akshayakalpa Organic, discusses with host and MediaBrief Founder-Editor Pavan R Chawla , his mission to prepare farmers for economic empowerment and society with healthy food habits through the consumption of organic dairy and other products.  Pavan had visited the excellent Akshayakalpa Organi farm in Tiptur 150 km from Bengaluru to record this episode. 

Akshayakalpa Organic works closely with and helps over 1200 farmers across three states in India, producing around 90,000 liters of milk daily from 1,200 farmers. The company aims to change the way farming is done in the country by getting youngsters into farming and proving that there is money to be made in farming.

Akshayakalpa Organic Dairy Unit focuses on two key aspects: enabling regular cash flow to farmers and creating a sustainable farming ecosystem. They have been teaching farmers how to make quality manure at a scale for the last 13 years, which has enabled them to intervene at the farm side and improve their cash flow.

The company operates in three states, producing 90,000 liters of milk daily and employing 1,200+ farmers. They are the Number One organic dairy products house in India in the small sub-sector, with a solid INR300 crore share of the pie. However, challenges remain, such as the need to transition from conventional farms to organic ones and the high carbon footprint of the farming ecosystem.

In this episode of the Master's Voice podcast, Shashi Kumar, founder and CEO of Akshaya Kalpa Organic, discusses his marketing strategies and the importance of using digital platforms like WhatsApp for communication with target groups. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining strong relationships with farmers and fostering a positive work environment. The company focuses on attracting consumers to visit farmers and ensuring responsible recycling of milk packets. They also spend money on educating customers through small videos created in-house by an in-house team. The speaker wishes the government would head a committee or advisory group to help India transition to organic milk production. The company is open to learning from other organizations and consumers, and they will continue to share their experiences and knowledge.

Shashi Kumar also discusses the marketing gimmick of A1 and A2 milk products in India, arguing that there is no scientific difference in nutritional value between milk produced with A1 protein and milk produced with A2 protein. He also discusses the role of dairy in the Indian ecosystem, particularly in farming. He also discusses the importance of lactose intolerance and the need for doctors to be consulted for advice.

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My distinguished guest on this episode of our award-winning series MVP - The Master's Voice Podcast features Sheena Kapoor, Head Of Marketing, Corporate Communications and CSR at ICICI Lombard, the leading private general insurer in India. 

Sheena's journey through the finance industry, coupled with her marketing prowess across all kinds of media platforms and her strong focus on CSR, has not only made her a valuable asset to ICICI Lombard but also source of inspiration for professionals, both within and outside ICICI Lombard. 

The role Sheena and her team have been playing along with the other committed professionals at ICICI Lombard has been instrumental in steering the company towards success and social impact and the respect these bring.

Sheena joined ICICI Lombard in January 2022, from Edelweiss Financial Services, Edelweiss Wealth Management, and after 11 years at the Times of India Group. 

Sheena, who has always pursued continuous learning and sought fresh challenges, ventured into heading innovations for the Times of India, where she acquitted herself with distinction across an 11-year period. Her thirst for deeper insights into the business and a desire to work with a market leader in the BFSI space led her to ICICI Lombard. Apart from the fact that it is a great, purpose-driven brand, what helped Sheena come to ICICI was the allure of the additional CSR mandate, which is something close to her heart. 

Sheena emphasizes the importance of proactivity, self-initiation of ideas, and a relentless pursuit of opportunities—principles that have propelled her career forward.

Sheena speaks at length about the important CSR initiatives and campaigns that ICICI Lombard has rolled out, and her eyes light up when she speaks of some memorable initiatives like the employee volunteering program Caring Hands, and ICICI Lombard's involvement with the ICSF Foundation. Notable programs such as Ride to Safety and Niranjali showcase the company's commitment to making a positive impact on society.  Sheena also sheds important light on what helps create and drive the kind of great agency-client relationship that can help deliver such memorable campaigns. 

Sheena Kapoor's journey should also inspire aspiring professionals and exerpienced veterans alike.  So tune in to this episode of MVP The Master’s Voice Podcast , to Sheena Kapoor, Head Of Marketing, Corporate Communications and Csr at ICICI Lombard. This is an insightful conversation with a young leader who embodies the spirit of transformative leadership, great business-building marketing,  and responsible social responsibility to help her company drive both – profit and purpose.

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Delighted that in this, our landmark 100th episode of our award-winning series MVP - The Master's Voice Podcast, our distinguished guest is *Leigh Dey* , SVP and Global Chief Marketing Officer of global tech giant Red Hat, which is also the world's largest open-source software company. In this very special episode, Leigh discusses open development, impact, diversity, authenticity in marketing, and much more. She speaks with the show host Pavan R Chawla, Founder-Editor of MEDIABRIEF.COM. 

Open source software solutions enable collaboration, innovation, and value creation for the customers, partners, and communities of Red Hat, the pioneer in the space,  and  Leigh speaks of her experience of leading the global marketing team and driving brand awareness and demand generation for the company.

Leigh shares insights on how Red Hat leverages open development, which is a way of working that involves collaboration, feedback, and iteration among diverse stakeholders. She explains how open development enables Red Hat to deliver solutions that are more secure, reliable, and scalable, about  fostering creativity and problem-solving. 

Besides delivering value to customers, Red Hat also strives to make a positive difference in the world through its diversity and CSR initiatives. Leigh emphasizes the importance of diversity and inclusion in Red Hat's culture and values, and how the company promotes a sense of belonging and respect for everyone. 

She also highlights some of the programs and activities that Red Hat supports to foster diversity and inclusion, and to empower women pursuing a career in tech.

We discuss Leigh's impact on the Red Hat Summit, and marketing success,  and she gives us a peep into her  daily routine and the delicate balance between work and wellness. 

We explore Leadership skills and the empowerment of team members, before delving into the introduction of Red Hat and its role in powering infrastructure for leading industries. 

Leigh highlights Red Hat's purpose-driven approach and corporate social responsibility initiatives, along with the marketing philosophy, emphasizing authenticity and customer value.

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