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    Moving To The US And Taking Out EVERY Credit Card Possible

    enOctober 07, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Two young men, one a medical student and the other a product manager, discuss their financial journeys and aspirations for financial stability.Two individuals, one with a medical background and the other in product management, share their unique experiences and goals for financial security and stability

      Despite having different backgrounds and careers, Salman and Anas, both in their late twenties, are striving for financial stability and success in their respective fields. Salman, a medical student, is preparing for residency exams and looking forward to being paid during his residency, while Anas, a product manager, is currently earning a net income of $9,200 per month. Both are grateful for their current financial situations, but have faced financial challenges in the past. Salman completed his medical education in Pakistan with the help of his parents and has no student loans, while Anas previously held a high-ranking position in a startup but was let go during economic downturns and had to start over. They both came to the United States for education and met through their extended families. Despite their differences, they share a common goal of achieving financial security and stability.

    • Importance of open communication and financial planning in marriageIndividual financial histories can significantly impact a couple's shared financial future, emphasizing the importance of open communication and careful planning.

      Managing debts and finances is a crucial aspect of a marriage. The speaker shared his experience of bringing significant debt into their marriage, which was built up during a difficult financial period before they got married. He had a high net worth due to investments but was forced to use credit cards when he was laid off. Although he eventually sold off assets to get cash during a market downturn and bought back when the market recovered, he still brought a substantial debt into the marriage. This experience highlights the importance of open communication and careful financial planning in a marriage, as well as the potential impact of individual financial histories on the couple's shared financial future.

    • Prioritizing employment and financial stabilityDuring challenging times, focus on securing employment and financial stability over accumulating debt or fulfilling desires. Cancel unnecessary subscriptions and switch high-interest debt to lower-interest cards to maintain a debt-free future.

      Maintaining a good employment history and securing financial stability can be more important than accumulating debt or keeping up with certain desires and goals, especially during challenging times like job loss. This individual prioritized recovering from debt and securing their future over immediate wants, even if it meant living more frugally. They also emphasized the importance of not accruing debt unnecessarily, such as by canceling unnecessary subscriptions or switching high-interest debt to lower-interest cards. Despite the hardships, they remained focused on building their careers and maintaining a debt-free future.

    • Living beyond your means and high-interest debt can lead to financial hardshipExcessive credit card spending and high-interest debt can negatively impact net worth and future financial goals, emphasizing the importance of living within means and maintaining a reasonable risk profile.

      Living beyond your means and accruing high-interest debt can lead to financial hardship and a long-term repayment plan. The speaker's excessive spending on credit cards, particularly with American Express, resulted in a significant debt burden, with a monthly minimum payment that was 15% of his income. Despite having some investments, his net worth was barely positive due to the high-interest payments. The conversation highlighted the importance of maintaining a reasonable risk profile and living within one's means, especially when considering future financial goals such as retirement and providing for children.

    • Living Beyond Means: The Hidden Danger of DebtDebt can accumulate quickly, causing financial stress, even for those with stable incomes. Prioritize debt repayment and avoid societal pressures to live beyond means. Seek mental health support during times of financial stress.

      Debt can easily accumulate and lead to significant financial stress, even for those who believe they are making enough money. The speaker shares his personal experience of amassing thousands of dollars in credit card debt, despite having a high net worth and a stable income. He admits that he was influenced by societal norms that encouraged living beyond means and making monthly payments. However, he eventually realized the importance of prioritizing debt repayment and the negative impact of interest losses. He encourages everyone to consider their financial situation carefully and not let societal pressures dictate their financial decisions. Additionally, he emphasizes the importance of mental health support during times of financial stress, which is where SonderMind comes in, offering personalized mental health care to help individuals navigate their mental health journey.

    • Focus on high-interest debts, minimize new debt, maintain emergency fundPay off high-interest debts first, minimize new debt, and maintain a well-funded emergency fund to save money in the long run

      Effective debt management involves focusing on paying off high-interest debts first, while minimizing new debt and maintaining a well-funded emergency fund. The speaker in the conversation shared his experience of owning multiple smart home devices and having significant credit card debt, including student loans. He mentioned that he had been paying extra on his cards to pay them off, but was also making monthly payments on his Apple products and student loans. The speaker acknowledged that he had lost money in interest and was considering paying off his student loan with the highest interest rate. He also mentioned that they did not carry balances on their credit cards and only made purchases with debit cards. The conversation underscored the importance of being mindful of debt and focusing on eliminating high-interest debts to save money in the long run.

    • Budgeting and Financial ManagementAwareness of hidden expenses, limiting unnecessary spending, prioritizing savings, and evaluating wants vs needs are crucial for effective budgeting and financial management. Be mindful of subscription services and pet-related costs.

      Effective budgeting and financial management involve tracking income and expenses, limiting unnecessary spending, and prioritizing savings. The discussion highlighted the importance of being aware of hidden expenses, such as those incurred through Venmo or Amazon purchases. The individual in the conversation acknowledged past mistakes, like overspending on furniture or dining out, but now focuses on reducing debt and building an emergency fund. They also shared their experiences with aggressive pets and the associated costs of grooming and veterinary care. The conversation emphasized the importance of evaluating wants versus needs and being mindful of subscription services. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of financial discipline and planning for future financial security.

    • Managing Multiple Financial Accounts with Debt and Plans for FutureDespite managing multiple financial accounts with debt, the interviewee emphasizes the importance of focusing on studies and paying off debt, while also encouraging listeners to fill out a survey for a chance to win $250.

      The interviewee manages multiple financial accounts for personal and family reasons, and they are not yet combined. They have a mix of retirement funds, individual brokerage accounts, and personal savings. The interviewee mentioned having a significant amount of debt but still having a positive net worth. They also mentioned their plans to take various medical exams and complete residency in a few years. The intervieweer mentioned transferring funds between accounts manually and having some complications with family members' transactions. They encouraged listeners to fill out a survey for a chance to win $250. Despite mentioning some frustration with the current financial situation, they emphasized the importance of focusing on studies and paying off debt.

    • Regrets about unnecessary expenses and debtBe mindful of expenses and debt, cut back on non-essentials, and seek advice to prioritize financial well-being.

      The discussion highlights the importance of being mindful of expenses and debt. The speakers express their regrets about unnecessary subscriptions and large purchases, emphasizing the potential impact on savings and debt reduction. They advocate for cutting back on non-essential expenses and making thoughtful financial decisions. The conversation also underscores the value of seeking advice and learning from others, as the speakers share their experiences and discoveries through the show. Ultimately, the conversation encourages listeners to reassess their spending habits and prioritize financial well-being.

    • The importance of controlling finances and eliminating debtBudgeting helps eliminate debt, giving financial freedom and control. Pet expenses and insurance should also be included in budgets.

      Having control over your finances and eliminating debt can be life-changing. The speaker shares how he used to have a lackadaisical attitude towards budgeting but now understands the importance of it, especially after seeing the impact it can have on others. He emphasizes the frustration of having money taken out for debts without control and the freedom that comes with having no debt. The conversation also touches on the importance of budgeting for pet expenses and insurance. The speaker expresses gratitude for the show's potential in helping people improve their financial situations, despite some criticism.

    • Planning for Essentials and Unexpected ExpensesCarefully consider all expenses, prioritize essentials, set aside funds for unexpected costs, and save for the future.

      Creating a budget requires careful consideration of all expenses, both fixed and variable. The discussion highlights a couple's budget, which includes essentials like rent, utilities, groceries, and toiletries, as well as insurance and healthcare costs. The couple also sets aside money for unexpected expenses and savings. Notably, they prioritize their health, recognizing the importance of good health for overall well-being and financial security. The conversation also touches on the importance of family support and the potential risks of relying solely on investments for retirement. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of planning for the future while also addressing immediate needs.

    • Effective financial planning: Saving and investing for clear goalsStart early, set clear financial goals, save and invest, find balance, communicate and collaborate with family

      Effective financial planning involves both saving and investing. The discussion highlights the importance of having a clear financial goal and ensuring that savings are put towards achieving that goal. The speakers also emphasized the importance of starting early and the role of education in financial success. Despite having the ability to make significant income, the speakers recognized the need to save and plan for the future. Additionally, they discussed the importance of setting realistic budgets and finding a balance between saving and living within means. The conversation also touched upon the role of parents in financial planning and the importance of communication and collaboration in achieving financial goals.

    • Creating a Budget and Prioritizing Debt PaymentsCreating a budget involves identifying necessary expenses and minimum debt payments. Prioritize paying off high-interest debts first, put extra money into savings, and aim to be debt-free within a realistic timeframe.

      Creating a budget and prioritizing debt payments can help manage monthly expenses and work towards becoming debt-free. In this conversation, the speaker emphasized the importance of Grammarly for their work and discussed their current debts, including minimum monthly payments for various credit cards. To create a budget, they added up these payments and identified necessary expenses like housing, transportation, grocery, and entertainment. They decided to put extra money into a high-yield savings account for an emergency fund and paid off smaller debts first. The goal was to be debt-free within a year and a half, and they could potentially speed up the process by selling unnecessary items.

    • Focus on debt and savings for financial freedomPay off debt, build an emergency fund, and stick to a budget to achieve financial independence and retire as multimillionaires.

      Having a high-yield savings account and being debt-free are crucial steps towards financial freedom. The speaker, who uses SoFi for his own savings and checking needs, recommends checking out the link in the description for a potential bonus. By focusing on paying off debt and building an emergency fund, individuals can achieve financial independence and retire as multimillionaires. Open and honest conversations about financial goals are essential to ensure both partners are on the same page. The most important foundation for this journey is creating and sticking to a budget.

    • Budgeting and Debt Management for Financial SuccessPrioritize budgeting, paying off debts, and saving for emergencies and retirement for better financial health.

      Having a budget and being debt-free are crucial steps towards financial success. Many people lack a budget and end up overspending without proper categorization. Debt, particularly high-interest credit card debt, can be detrimental to one's financial health. Rob and Salman, the individuals discussed in the conversation, are working towards having a fully funded emergency fund and paying off their debts to improve their financial situation. They plan to focus on real estate investments once they have made significant progress. Overall, their financial score received a 4 out of 10, with low ratings for debt, emergency fund, and retirement savings. To achieve better financial health, it's essential to prioritize budgeting, paying off debts, and saving for emergencies and retirement.

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    • STOP USING YOUR CARDS - The most important step of getting out of credit card debt is to stop adding more debt. 
      Kadri often talks to his clients about credit card psychology. Using debit cards while on a debt payoff journey will help you reduce spending. When you spend on a credit card, that balance increases. When numbers go up, we get a good feeling. We only have to pay the bill one time at the end of the month, instead of feeling the money leave with each transaction.

      It can be a challenge, but here are some tips to make the transition easier: 
      • Take them out of your wallet if you can.
      • Forget chasing credit card points - it isn’t worth the interest and the larger minimum payment 
      • Unlink cards to convenience apps like Uber and DoorDash
        • Chase Sapphire Preferred gives you DashPass, the membership program to DoorDash. While this may help you reduce fees, remember that if you are ultimately going to pay interest then any deal can’t offset that!

      • There are cases where you have to use your credit card. Maybe you don’t have an emergency fund and putting something on your cards will be the difference between caring for a sick family member or not.
      • If you truly want to break the cycle, you need to also work towards an emergency fund

    • FOCUS ON BUILDING AN EMERGENCY FUND BEFORE AGGRESSIVELY PAYING DOWN DEBT 
      • This is the best way to break the debt cycle 
      • If you’ve heard the phrase “pay yourself first,” this is an example of that.
      • If you are constantly using your spare cash exclusively towards debt and something major comes up, you’ll have to rely on your credit cards
      • This can take time. Saving money is a grind, and that’s totally okay! 
      • Though you won’t earn a ton of interest, it's worth it to build this insurance policy to prevent you from using cards.
      • However, there are still ways to be mindful of the interest you’re paying - one is through the debt avalanche approach.

    • THE DEBT AVALANCHE APPROACH 
      • Tackle the highest interest debt first. If you have an extra $500 to put somewhere (and your emergency fund is fully funded), use that total amount and put it towards one debt, rather than spreading it across a few. This is mathematically the best way to pay down debt if you’re going to make additional payments. 
      • You may not like math, but you can use it to your advantage by paying down your highest interest rate debt first by putting extra money towards it. 
      • You can reduce your debt payments even further with a few tools - one I would consider a little tricky, which is debt settlement, and one I would consider more straightforward, which is balance transfer cards and personal loans. 
        • The Snowball Method is another option for paying down debt. Instead of working on the highest interest debt, extra payments are made to the smallest balance debt. This method works well for a lot of people. It comes down to knowing yourself and using whichever method works for you!

    • DEBT SETTLEMENT VS. DEBT MANAGEMENT 

    Debt Settlement

    • The pros: you can potentially reduce the amount of money you need to pay for your debts, and you can use the money you were spending on debt minimums to save for your emergency fund or make ends meet.
    • The cons: your creditors may not agree with debt settlement, your credit score will likely tank, and you could be charged more debt and fees.
    • This is also tricky because you can get in hot water if you choose to not pay your debt obligations to have more bargaining power in the settlement.
    • There are other somewhat shady companies that handle the debt settlement process for you. What they provide is nothing that you can’t do yourself. Always be careful and ask a lot of questions when looking into these companies. 
    • They’ll typically ask you to still make monthly payments that they save on your behalf so they can pay the reduced amount for you later.

    Debt Management 

    • In contrast with debt settlement companies and strategies, there are debt management nonprofits that work with your creditors on your behalf to help lower interest rates, lower fees, and sometimes monthly payments. 
    • They help you keep your credit from suffering if you’re struggling with your monthly payments and can work with you to create better cash management habits 
    • It’s important to do your research and ask questions. ‘Nonprofit’ does not mean they have your best interest in mind. At the end of the day, it is a corporate filing. 
    • They look at your full debt picture. If you have cards open, they require you to shut down your cards, keeping just one open. They have relationships with lenders and will go to them and negotiate the interest on your behalf. Instead of paying the lenders directly, the minimum payment goes to the nonprofit. Programs like this have advantages, but you can also do this on your own, though it takes some time and you might have to make a few rounds of phone calls. 
    • If you miss a payment, all bets are off. You cannot miss a payment. There is risk there, but that’s pretty much how it goes. 
    • There are other ways to lower your interest and / or your monthly payments. They are balance transfer cards and personal loans

    • BALANCE TRANSFER AND PERSONAL LOANS 
      • Balance transfer cards usually offer a 0% or lower APR, and you move the balance from one card onto this new one, giving you more time to pay down the debt. 
      • While helpful to reduce interest payments, this can enable you to spend more because you now have more available credit. 
      • Before consolidating, make sure to give yourself some time to get used to a new spending plan that is sustainable for your income. Knowing yourself and your habits is important. 
      • To find a list of BFF Approved Balance Transfer cards, check out this page
      • Nerdwallet is also a great resource when looking for cards. 
      • If you already have credit cards, there may be balance transfer options available, so make sure to check those out when you do your research.

    • INCREASE YOUR INCOME
      • This can come from getting a promotion, switching jobs, getting a second job, or starting a side hustle (with low to no startup costs). 
      • Earning more money is something Kadri encourages all of his clients to do. It’s easier said than done, but Trainers see it all the time with their clients. They’ll get a new job with a 40k salary increase or really advocate for themselves and get a raise in their current roles. 
      •  Think about all of your talents, expertise, and get creative when thinking about how you can make more money. 
      • Once you start making more money, be mindful of lifestyle creep. It’s important to know yourself and have a plan in place. 
      • Take a look at your expenses and ensure they’re helping you reach your debt repayment goals. When it comes to building wealth, look at both sides: increasing income and reducing expenses is the key.

    • REDUCE EXPENSES 
      • The first step, add up all of your fixed expenses, including debt minimums.
        How much is left over for your variable expenses, savings, and extra debt repayment?
      • There is a minimum you want to have for your variable expenses, especially in high cost of living areas. 
      • When Myriam makes financial plans, she aims to have at least $860 per month or $200 per week for variable expenses. The bare minimum for lower cost of living areas is about $530 per month or $125 per week. 
      • It can feel like a lot of sacrifice. You want to check in with yourself and ensure your physical and mental wellness is being taken care of. 
      • It’s easier said than done. There is only so much that can be cut. 
      • Closing the gap between your income and spending is the only way to truly break out of the debt cycle. It is a process and takes time. Be patient and find what works for you.

    • DON’T BE AFRAID TO CONSIDER BANKRUPTCY 
      • Bankruptcy gets a bad reputation, but it can be an amazing tool, especially if your debt to income ratio is 50% or above. 
      • A quick rundown on bankruptcy: it gives you a lot of protection. Your creditors cannot contact you, sue you, put liens on your property or garnish your wages. You can also sometimes be protected from any income tax penalties for the forgiven debt.
      • It is a tremendous tool to give yourself a clean slate. Once you have gone through the process, the debt is gone. 
      • It is a long process and can take months. While bankruptcy does not need to be scary, it should be taken seriously. You can only declare bankruptcy every ten years, so having a plan of action for once the debt is clear is incredibly important! 

    Martinis and Your Money Episodes about bankruptcy 

    From The Financially Free Blog: 

    THE BIG TAKEAWAY: 

    • Stop using your credit cards (if you can, and there are some situations where you temporarily have to)
    • Build your Emergency fund
    • Debt avalanche approach
    • Debt management vs settlement
    • Debt consolidation using tools like balance transfer cards and personal loans
    • Increasing your income
    • Reducing your expenses
    • Don’t be afraid to consider bankruptcy

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    Student Loan Repayment with Danielle and Lindsay Clark from Savi

    Student Loan Repayment with Danielle and Lindsay Clark from Savi

    On this episode of Financially Naked: Stories from The Financial Gym, our host is Danielle Thomas, Level 2 Certified Financial Trainer at The Financial Gym. She is joined by Lindsay Clark from Savi. Lindsay is a fierce champion for the student loan borrower - having accumulated enormous student debt over the course of her undergraduate and graduate studies at Yale and Columbia, respectively. Having worked in advocacy and financial technology for nearly a decade, Lindsay brings a deep understanding of the urgency behind providing solutions for student loan borrowers. As Director of External Affairs, Lindsay built and continues to lead our front-line efforts to assist America’s 46 million borrowers.

    It’s been over two years since the government first paused federal student loan payments and interest, and for so many borrowers it’s been out of sight and out of mind. With the possibility of cancellation and updates to policies passed with Covid relief, there’s a lot of news and support for borrowers out there. Savi helps America's 46 million student loan borrowers easily lower their payments and find forgiveness. Lindsay is here to share some of the highlights and things to watch out for if you’re a borrower. 

    Podcast Notes

    • Savi was founded in 2017 by student loan policy experts and advocates. Since repayment options and forgiveness programs are new, clunky, and can be challenging to comprehend, Savi is designed to help! 
    • They work with borrowers across the country to help them be more informed and empowered as borrowers and consumers. From understanding repayment options to navigating the application process, all the way to crossing the finish line. 
    • Where to get started if you have student loans: 
      • Understand the different repayment options. For federal student loan debt, there are programs and various payment plans (some income based) available.
        When considering which is the best fit for you, think about where you will be five and ten years in the future. 

    Income Based Repayment: 

    • Excellent for people who may be struggling to make the monthly payment for folks newly out of school, looking for their first job. 
    • The required payment is based on your income and considers tax filing, rather than basing it on the amount of debt. 
    • Some borrowers do not take advantage of these plans, including Lindsay when she was first paying back her loans.  
    • These income-based plans are a much better option than forbearance. At the end of these plans, loan forgiveness is an option if you’re eligible. While the programs aren’t perfect, there are planned improvements in the coming years. 
    • In general, any debt forgiven under an income-based repayment plan is considered taxable income on your taxes that year. 
    • There was recently a law passed that grants tax-free forgiveness for these repayment plans through 2025. It may be extended past that, but we don’t know yet. 

    Public Student Loan Forgiveness Program (PSLF):

    • This program started in October of 2007. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of technicalities required for forgiveness to be granted that a lot of borrowers were not aware of. Out of the 100,000 applications, less than 1% were accepted. 
    • Requirements: 
      • Be employed by an eligible institution
      • 120 qualifying payments
      • Be on an income-based repayment plan and have a qualifying loan type
    • In general, people met the employer requirement, but did not have the correct type of loans and weren’t on the right type of payment plan. 
    • Right now, there is a limited waiver for the PSLF program where they’ve expanded the requirements around loan type and payment plan. This will only be available until October 31, 2022, but expands the number of eligible borrowers. 
    • If you applied and were rejected in the past, you may now be eligible and should take action before October. Since the expansion, over 100,000 borrowers have been granted forgiveness. 
    • If your loans are forgiven through the PSLF program, the forgiveness is tax-free. 
    • One of the biggest issues surrounding the student loan crisis is that there is hardly any communication from the institutions supporting borrowers and there is a barrier to entry. You can read studentaid.gov all day long, and still not be clear on all of the information. 
    • This waiver did not get a lot of attention, and a majority of people don’t know they might qualify for forgiveness. 
    • Any news on another extension on payment pauses or possible cancellation? 
    • As of now, payments are set to resume on September 1, 2022.  
    • This has become such a political issue, Lindsay predicts it is unlikely they’ll turn payments back on right before the midterm election, and she would not be surprised if it was extended further. As of now, payments will resume. 
    • To prepare, be aware of your federal provider and the current payment due. Three of the largest loan servicers announced they are ending their contracts, so many people will be transitioned to other servicers. If you’re not sure where your loans are currently, make sure to find out that info. 
    • If you’re unsure where your loans are held, you can check studentaid.gov. The username and password will be from when you took out the debt but can be easily reset if you don’t remember. All of the loan and grant information should be available there, along with who is holding the loans now.
    • Loan cancellation was a huge campaign promise and there is pressure on lawmakers to make it happen. It might look like $10,000 may be forgiven and have income limits. 
    • The rising cost of higher education is what is fueling the debt crisis and while forgiveness will provide relief to some borrowers, it does not fix the problem. This is not a matter of either or, it’s a matter of addressing both sides of the crisis. 
    • If someone has debt out there and has never logged in or made a payment, what should they do? 
      • The government recently announced Fresh Start, which will bring any borrowers out of default once payments resume. It would be a mass reset for roughly 8 million borrowers who are in default, many of whom have balances less than $10,000. 
      • This is separate from loan rehabilitation, which is a process that can take up to nine months. 
    • Lindsay assures us the momentum and direction of the policy are positive and we’re going to see good changes come through. She’s more optimistic than she’s ever been and hopes these will help improve the system. 

     

    Read more about student loans:
    FAQs About Student Loans
    6 Questions to Ask Before Refinancing Student Loans
    5 Things to do Before the Student Loan Pause is Over
    Mythbusting Student Loans

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