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    • Simplifying complex processes and focusing on local issuesMercury simplifies financial workflows, Wise enables seamless international transactions, and local politics offers opportunities for direct impact.

      Simplifying complex processes and focusing on local issues can lead to success and transformation in business and politics. Mercury's financial solutions help businesses streamline their financial workflows, while Wise enables seamless international money transactions. The Fallows, known for their wisdom and immersion in local stories, highlight the importance of paying attention to local reinventions happening across America. If you're feeling burnt out by national politics, consider getting involved in local politics for a more direct impact and potential renewed interest in the political process. Mercury and Wise offer solutions for businesses, while local politics offer opportunities for individuals to make a difference.

    • Following the big stories leads to new adventuresIdentifying and following big stories can lead to new experiences, opportunities for growth, and valuable perspectives.

      Throughout their lives and careers, Deb and Jim have shown an exceptional ability to identify and follow the big stories, leading them to move around the world in pursuit of new adventures and experiences. Deb, who grew up in the Midwest with a desire to explore beyond her roots, and Jim, who has always been a journalist at heart, have together created a unique and interconnected narrative. Their story includes moves to Texas, Japan, Seattle, Berkeley, and most recently, China. While these transitions came with challenges and a sense of starting from scratch, they also presented valuable opportunities for growth and new perspectives. Their experiences serve as a reminder that sometimes taking risks and stepping out of comfort zones can lead to remarkable experiences and discoveries.

    • Experiencing disorientation and intermediate 'deaths' in a nomadic lifestyleNomadic lifestyle brings disorientation and 'deaths' of old connections, but the sense of adventure and desire to explore new places propels individuals forward, teaching them to plan better and embrace life's adventures.

      A nomadic lifestyle filled with frequent moves and new experiences, while invigorating, also brings about a sense of disorientation and intermediate "deaths" as one leaves behind old connections. This was exemplified by a couple's experiences moving from their honeymoon in a Ghanaian work camp to Malaysia and eventually Japan. Despite challenges and mistakes, their sense of adventure and desire to explore new places propelled them forward. However, they acknowledged that the push factor of leaving the politically-driven environment of Washington D.C. also played a role in their decisions. Ultimately, their experiences taught them to plan better and embrace the bittersweet balance of life's adventures.

    • Factors influencing a move to a foreign countryPersonal circumstances, past experiences, and a sense of curiosity and excitement can all influence the decision to move to a foreign country. Push factors include a desire for change and opportunity, while pull factors include the excitement of experiencing a new culture and inspiration from loved ones.

      The decision to embark on a new adventure, such as moving to a foreign country, can be influenced by various factors including personal circumstances, past experiences, and a sense of curiosity and excitement. The conversation between James and Deborah reveals that their decision to move to Kuala Lumpur was driven by a combination of push and pull factors. The push factors included Deb's desire for a change and the opportunity to explore the world. The pull factors included the excitement of experiencing a new culture and the inspiration from Deb's parents, who had previously lived as expats. They also took into consideration the age and readiness of their children to make the move. Overall, they saw the adventure as a valuable experience, despite the challenges that would come with it. As Deborah reflects in her new book, the end of an adventure can bring sadness, but the memories and experiences gained are worth the journey.

    • Embracing new experiences and letting go of the small stuffApproach new experiences with curiosity and an open mind, letting go of preconceived notions to gain a deeper understanding and enrich your life.

      The rhythm of embarking on new adventures and experiences throughout one's lifetime, as described by the speakers, contributes to a rich and meaningful life. They've been on numerous trips and tours together, and despite the challenges, they've learned to let go of the small stuff and focus on the bigger picture. This wisdom and accumulation of experiences have made their lives worthwhile. Another key point is the importance of approaching new experiences with a curious and open mind. The speakers emphasized the value of asking questions and seeking answers to satisfy one's own curiosity, rather than confirming preconceived notions. They shared examples of how they've done this in their journalistic careers, such as their first trip to China in the 1980s, where they learned to speak Esperanto to gain entry and gain a deeper understanding of the country. In essence, the speakers emphasized the importance of embracing new experiences and approaching them with an open mind, allowing for growth and learning throughout one's lifetime.

    • Different approaches to reporting in new environmentsEffective reporting in new environments can stem from various approaches, such as background research and linguistic understanding versus language learning and people-centric reporting. Both Jim and the interviewee's experiences in China illustrate the value of these differing approaches.

      Effective reporting and understanding of new environments can stem from different approaches. The speakers, Jim and the interviewee, have distinct ways of preparing and adapting to unfamiliar situations. While Jim focuses on background research and linguistic understanding, the interviewee prioritizes language learning as a means to connect with people and navigate new environments. Their experiences in China serve as an example of these differing approaches. Despite initial language barriers, the interviewee's observational and people-centric reporting style proved valuable. The complexity of the Chinese language, with its simple grammar but challenging tones, highlights the importance of adapting to new linguistic environments. Overall, their experiences demonstrate that successful reporting can emerge from various approaches, and respecting and learning from these differences can lead to richer and more nuanced understandings.

    • The challenges of learning Chinese and living in ChinaLearning Chinese involves mastering complex tones and meanings. Personal and professional reasons may prompt a return to one's home country after extended stays in China.

      Learning Chinese, with its complex language and intricately connected tones and meanings, presents unique challenges that make it one of the most difficult languages in the world. The speakers in the conversation shared their personal experiences with learning the language and living in China for extended periods. They noted that the tones and meanings are so intertwined that a slight change in tone can completely alter the intended message. As for determining when it was time to leave China, they cited both personal and professional reasons. On a personal level, they mentioned the health concerns due to pollution and the desire to be more present in their extended family's lives. Professionally, they acknowledged that after a certain period, they no longer identified as China or Asia people but rather as Americans exploring the world. Upon returning to the US, they continued their exploration of America through a new lens, drawing parallels to their journalistic impulses from their time in China.

    • Discovering renewal in unexpected placesAuthors found lasting renewal trends in unexpected places like Sioux Falls, SD, despite initial underestimation and temporary improvements.

      During their travels across the United States starting in 2013, the authors discovered that there were many interesting renewal activities happening in unexpected places, such as Sioux Falls, South Dakota. They were intrigued by the advanced technology and innovation they found there and realized they had been underestimating the potential of these areas. However, they were also mindful of the ephemeral nature of local reporting and the need to distinguish between temporary improvements and lasting trends. The authors' goal was to share the stories of these trends that were driving forward with some permanence and making a real impact on the communities they visited.

    • Exploring American culture through entrepreneurship and community developmentThrough our journey to various towns, we identified common themes of safety and collaboration, revealing the optimism and resilience of American culture in entrepreneurship and community development.

      The optimism and resilience of entrepreneurs and communities, despite the uncertain outcomes of their ambitious projects, is a pervasive aspect of American culture. During a five-year journey to explore various towns across the success and ambition spectrum, we discovered that the repetition of stories from diverse perspectives and demographics revealed a sense of truth about each town's unique culture and development. By creating word clouds of frequently used words, we identified common themes, such as safety and collaboration, which helped us understand the essence of each place. Initially, we were struck by the innovative and inclusive initiatives we encountered, but as we visited more towns, the novelty wore off, and we recognized these trends as expressions of American values. Our journey demonstrated that the spirit of entrepreneurship and community development, with its inherent optimism and resilience, is a defining characteristic of American culture.

    • America's current condition: beyond the political headlinesDespite political divisions, America is experiencing recovery and renewal, with businesses and downtowns expanding. Local successes are often overlooked in national coverage.

      America's current state is not as politically divided and bitter as portrayed by cable news. The authors argue that while there are challenges, the country is experiencing a period of recovery and renewal, and businesses and downtowns are expanding. However, it's important to note that this is not a certainty, but a possibility based on historical trends and the authors' experiences. They caution against declinism and suggest that the narrative of this period in American history may look different in the future. The authors also emphasize the importance of recognizing the local level successes that are often overlooked in national coverage. Overall, the message is one of optimism and a reminder to look beyond the political headlines for a more accurate understanding of America's current condition.

    • Local initiatives thrive despite divisive politicsLocal experiments and innovations in education, trade schools, and civic reform continue to flourish in various parts of the country, despite the lack of national support. People are finding alternative ways to fund and implement these projects, but divisive politics can have negative consequences.

      Local experiments and innovations in education, trade schools, and civic reform are currently flourishing in various parts of the country, despite the divisive national politics. These local initiatives include the support of libraries, entrepreneurial efforts, and the movement of millennials to smaller towns. The lack of national support for these projects has led people to find alternative ways to fund and implement them. However, it's important to acknowledge that the divisive national politics can also have damaging effects, such as empowering hatred towards immigrants and impeding the ability of local governments to fully realize their potential. Overall, the focus should be on highlighting and supporting these local initiatives to foster positive change and growth in communities across the country.

    • Local initiatives need national supportEffective community development requires a mix of support from various sectors, but a lack of national strategy can hinder progress. National level partisan politics can create a divisive climate, but hope remains for a more collaborative future.

      Effective local initiatives for community development and conservation often rely on a combination of federal, state, local, private, and NGO support. However, the absence of a supportive national strategy can lead to potential damage. The debate over the relationship between local and national political identities is complex. Some argue that these identities are false or coexist, while others believe they have become so strong that they are overwhelming our perception of reality. The pessimistic view is that the tribal, poisonous nature of national level partisan politics has dwarfed everything else, making it difficult to focus on local practicalities. This could lead to a long-term crisis, similar to the religious or sports team identities in Northern Ireland that once divided communities. On the other hand, there is hope that this destructive period will eventually come to an end, and a new political leader or congressional elections could bring about a more collaborative and less tribal political climate.

    • Civic culture in Washington D.C. and the state of politicsDespite negativity, young, capable individuals are revitalizing politics. Media coverage has improved but worsened public engagement due to economic pressures and nihilistic attitudes, with local reporting being a major concern.

      The current state of national politics is influenced by the civic culture in Washington D.C., which can bring out the worst in people and politicians. However, there's reason for optimism as more young, capable individuals are getting involved in politics to bring about change. Regarding media coverage, while there have been improvements since the 1990s, the overall impact on public engagement with politics has worsened due to economic pressures on local journalism and the acceleration of nihilistic attitudes towards the press and reality under the Trump administration. The loss of local and state capital reporting is an emergency for the country, and reviving these papers could help improve the situation.

    • National news sources replacing local onesThe decline in local news coverage and rise of national sources may lead to polarized communities and a lack of exposure to diverse perspectives, potentially impacting democracy negatively.

      The increasing reliance on national news sources and the decrease in local news coverage may be contributing to the strengthening of national political identities and the polarization of communities. This trend, which is more prevalent today than in the past, can lead to a commoditized national view and a lack of exposure to diverse perspectives. As a result, people may be more likely to absorb extreme opinions and make unreasonable conclusions about local and national events. The speakers in this conversation expressed concern about this trend and its potential impact on democracy, particularly in smaller communities where local news sources used to provide a more diverse range of information. They also noted that this trend may be exacerbated by the influence of media outlets that promote conspiracy theories and factual divisions, which can further reinforce national tribal political sides. Overall, it is important for us to consider ways to promote diversifying pressures and encourage people to seek out a range of local, state, and national news sources to make informed decisions and engage in productive political discourse.

    • Traveling across America, Deborah and Michael found locals prioritized local issues over national politicsDuring their travels, Deborah and Michael noticed a shift in priorities, with locals focusing on local issues instead of national politics, and libraries transforming into vital community centers addressing various needs.

      During Deborah and Michael's travels across small towns in America from 2013 to 2016, they found that bringing up national politics was generally seen as distracting and not as important as local issues. This was in contrast to the height of the Vietnam War and Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s when national politics were a more pressing concern. However, Deborah also highlighted the encouraging transformation of local libraries into vital community centers that address various gaps in education, technology, and social collection and action. These libraries now serve as a source of information for new arrivals, young entrepreneurs, and anyone in need of resources, redefining themselves as essential institutions in small towns.

    • Libraries as hubs for community engagement and workforce developmentLibraries are evolving from just being a place for books to becoming community hubs offering amenities and services, and playing a crucial role in workforce development through career technical education.

      Libraries, once considered an old-fashioned social infrastructure, are undergoing a modern revival and transformation, moving beyond just being a place for books. Libraries are now becoming hubs for community engagement, offering various amenities and services, and playing a crucial role in workforce development through career technical education. This evolution is reminiscent of past national projects like the interstate highways and the WPA, which showcased America's ability to build large-scale infrastructure for the greater good. Despite the challenges faced by various institutions, such as politics, the economy, and technology, there is a glimmer of optimism in the potential of these advanced career technical education sites to prepare the workforce for the jobs of the future.

    • Americans' belief in resilience and collaborationAmericans maintain a strong sense of self-reliance and rely on each other, demonstrated by their ability to bounce back from historical failures.

      Americans continue to believe in their own resilience and the power of collaboration despite repeated institutional failures throughout history. Deborah and her companion observed this sense of self-reliance and reliance on each other during their travels. Deborah also shared her perspective that American history is marked by failures, but the country's ability to bounce back is what's truly important. To gain further insights, Deborah recommends reading Tocqueville for his observations on American society from the past and resonances to the present. She also suggests Ron Chernow's biography of Ulysses Grant and Theodore Dreiser's novels for their portrayals of American life and its struggles.

    • Insights into American society and its complex issues'Sister Carrie' and 'An American Tragedy' offer profound insights into American society through themes of financial inequality, gender roles, ambition, deception, religion, and law.

      Both "Sister Carrie" and "An American Tragedy" by Theodore Dreiser offer profound insights into American society and its complex issues, including financial inequality, gender roles, ambition, deception, and the role of religion and law. "Sister Carrie" is a compelling story of financial rise and ruin, gender inequality, and deception, while "An American Tragedy" is a longer novel that explores class, ambition, idealism, and punishment, among other themes. These novels, written nearly a century ago, continue to resonate with contemporary issues and provide valuable perspectives on American society. The Fallows' provided insightful analysis, highlighting the relevance of these novels to our understanding of American history and culture. Overall, this conversation underscores the enduring power of literature to illuminate our world and provoke thought.

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    Resources

    “Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes concedes primary election” by David Kroman from Crosscuthttps://crosscut.com/news/2021/08/seattle-city-attorney-pete-holmes-concedes-primary-election 

    "Nikkita Oliver overtakes Sara Nelson to assume the lead for Seattle City Council #9" by Andrew Villeneuve from The Cascadia Advocatehttps://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2021/08/nikkita-oliver-overtakes-sara-nelson-to-assume-the-lead-for-seattle-city-council-9.html

    “Lawsuit filed to block Charter Amendment 29 from the November 2021 Seattle ballot” by Andrew Villeneuve from The Cascadia Advocatehttps://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/homeless/aclu-and-advocates-file-lawsuit-over-compassion-seattle-ballot-initiative/ 

    “Federal judge to Seattle officials: ‘Too much knee-jerk, not enough forethought’ on police reform” by Mike Carter from The Seattle Timeshttps://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/federal-judge-to-seattle-officials-too-much-knee-jerk-not-enough-forethought-on-police-reform/ 

    “Trump’s stolen election racket is working extremely well -- even here in Washington state” by Danny Westneat from The Seattle Timeshttps://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/trumps-stolen-election-racket-is-working-extremely-well-even-here-in-washington-state/ 

    “Hidden Toll of the Northwest Heat Wave: Hundreds of Extra Deaths” by Nadja Popovich and WInston Choi-Schagrin from The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/11/climate/deaths-pacific-northwest-heat-wave.html 

    “Smoke from Canada arrives, air quality alert issued for some parts of Puget Sound” by Christine Clarridge from The Seattle Timeshttps://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weather/smoke-from-canada-arrives-air-quality-alerts-issued-for-some-parts-of-puget-sound/ 

     

    Transcript

    [00:00:00] Crystal Fincher: Welcome to Hacks & Wonks. I'm Crystal Fincher and I'm a political consultant and your host. On this show, we talk with policy wonks and political hacks to gather insight into local politics and policy in Washington State through the lens of those doing the work with behind-the-scenes perspectives on what's happening, why it's happening and what you can do about it. Full transcripts and resources referenced in the show are always available at officialhacksandwonks.com and in our episode notes. Today, we're continuing our Friday almost-live shows where we review the news of the week with a cohost.

    Welcome back to the program friend of the show, today's co-host, Crosscut political reporter, David Kroman.

    [00:00:51] David Kroman: Hey Crystal.

    [00:00:52] Crystal Fincher: Hey, how's it going?

    [00:00:54] David Kroman: It's going well. How are you doing?

    [00:00:57] Crystal Fincher: I'm doing okay. Well, we have got a number of things to talk about today. I think we will start off just putting an exclamation point on the primary results. We spoke a bit about that last week, but we got some clarity this week on a few races - particularly, probably top of mind, is the City Attorney's race. What are your thoughts about that result?

    [00:01:25] David Kroman: My thoughts is - well, on the one hand, I want to be surprised because I think it's a position that people - I think maybe don't often understand exactly what it is. And for good reason, because the City Attorney is not really a job that exists in a lot of other places. Most places like Philadelphia or San Francisco, you have one prosecutor which is basically our Dan Satterberg, our King County prosecuting attorney. For most places, that's it. But in Seattle, we have this weird position where there's this guy who, or soon to be woman, who only prosecutes misdemeanors and then does civil litigation for the City. So it's a weird position and I don't think a lot of people really understand that.

    And so my baseline assumption going in was - you have a huge advantage as an incumbent because especially someone who's been there for three terms, it would take a lot, I think, to motivate people to want to shift gears on that. At the same time, I'm also not surprised because there's been a lot of conversation from both the left and the right - on the left about reforming how we do criminal justice, a lot of introspection around whether prosecuting misdemeanors makes any sense at all. And then from the right, this feeling like, Pete Holmes has been too light on low-level crime and this broken windows view of things - which is, if you don't clean up low-level crime, it leads to more serious crime - that sort of thing.

    And then I think the icing on the cake was the endorsements, which maybe we'll talk about more later - where Nicole Thomas-Kennedy gets The Stranger's endorsement and Ann Davison gets Seattle Times. And so, it's a surprising result that it led there, but I think by election night, we all understood that this was a real possibility - that Pete Holmes could win or could lose, rather. In fact, Pete Holmes was saying that he could lose. So it's surprising, and it's going to make for what I think is going to be probably the most interesting and contentious race Seattle has seen in a really long time.

    [00:03:35] Crystal Fincher: I agree. And I think you hit the nail on the head talking about some of the dynamics there, and it'll be interesting to see what kind of a role people's understanding of what the City Attorney is plays in that race and how different people may try and exploit that. Because just looking at messaging and rhetoric, particularly from Republican Ann Davison, who made it through in addition to Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, it's very much, "Oh, he's letting dangerous criminals back on the street. It's a revolving door." And it seems like a lot of people do not know that the City Attorney does not handle felonies - and really thinking about violent crime - some of the more serious crime that is associated with felonies. And this is really a different conversation, so it'll be interesting to see how that conversation unfolds.

    Going into this, I don't think many people were surprised that there were a strong competitor or strong competitors, but yeah, definitely the weakness of Pete Holmes - and some of it, it appears that he did a lot of this to himself. One, just trying to not do anything to rock the boat, it seemed like for a majority of the election - just act like he didn't really have opponents, just try and be an incumbent, don't make any waves. That didn't seem to work out really well. Then he realized that, "Hey, this is really competitive." Polling came out showing that it was really competitive. And then a last minute push with an odd interview with, I think it was Jim Brunner of The Seattle Times, where Pete Holmes admitted that he changed his decision to sue the Seattle Times and ended up dropping the lawsuit, in part, because a State Representative threatened to withdraw his endorsement for his campaign. So it just looked really odd that, okay, are you making decisions based on your responsibilities as City Attorney, or just fear based on where you stand and in terms of voters and funders and all that kind of stuff.

    So, and there's been so much conversation about public safety. Certainly the City Council has been held to account for their decisions and a lot of examination, and the mayor and the police department. The City Attorney does have a lot of influence there, and he was also silent throughout so much of that process. And I think people were certainly dissatisfied with just what they were seeing, and where we stand on so many big issues - and were searching for an alternative. The endorsements by The Seattle Times and The Stranger of his opponents certainly didn't help. And you brought up an interesting question online - I mean, I'll let you pose the question - but thinking about how The Times and Stranger endorsements matter, what was your question and thinking there?

    [00:06:49] David Kroman: Well, I guess it's just that every primary election, we see - Danny Westneat always comes out with his analysis pretty quickly on election night. And we see columns and hand-wringing around what happened. But at the end of the day, the people who won are the people who got either The Stranger or the Seattle Times endorsement. So in some ways, there's this obvious answer around who wins - which is, especially in a race where I think people maybe don't always understand exactly what the office does. People turn to the newspaper that they feel aligns most closely with their politics and goes that direction. And I don't think that is as important in the general election when it's just two people, but in the primary, when you have a lot of people running and a lot of decisions to make, and a few points can make a big difference - I think it really matters.

    That said, I will caveat that a little bit and agree with you that Pete Holmes certainly did not help himself. He didn't campaign hardly at all, as far as I can tell, until maybe the last week or two. And at the end of the day, he didn't lose by that many votes - because when you have three people in a low turnout primary, you don't need to win that many more votes to make a difference. And so, I think there was a path when he could have overcome the fact that he didn't get those endorsements, had he taken this race more seriously from the beginning. But I think the fact that - a day before the filing deadline, no one had really filed against him - I think created this impression that he was just going to waltz to a fourth term. Nicole Thomas-Kennedy decides, basically last minute, that with hours to go, that she's going to do this. And so I think that beginning to the season - my sense is, and I hear this from talking to allies of Pete Holmes, that he just never really - he was just caught flat footed. That he didn't think that this was going to be as challenging of a race as it was.

    And I don't think it was until those endorsements came out that he started to understand that his position was really in danger. Which I think there's a broader message there too for Pete Holmes' whole tenure, which is even people who were basically backers of Pete Holmes and preferred him to the other two people say - I think he was progressive on a lot of fronts, but he never quite did enough to fill this void that was being left around. He's saying basically - there are better ways to handle public safety than prosecutions, but he wasn't really saying what those ways were. And he wasn't throwing the full weight of his office behind - we can do this for people, here are all these things we can do for people, and we should be pushing really hard for them instead of prosecution. So, because he didn't really have a good answer to those things, it left a lot of room for someone like Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, to say, "I'm going to come in and I'm going to fill that void by not prosecuting and offering a lot more service or whatever it might be." And then on the other hand, Ann Davison, who's saying, "Pete Holmes doesn't know what he's doing. He needs to be prosecuting more people and so I'm going to run." So, I just think he never had really a strong - he never really had anything like a competitive race for City Attorney since he was first elected, and I think he got complacent. I just think he didn't have a good strategy and it came back to bite him.

    [00:10:28] Crystal Fincher: Yeah, I would absolutely agree with that. And on top of that, the dynamic of the middle is a challenging place to be in a primary. Particularly in a three-person primary where you're offering stark choices, where people are unhappy with what is happening now - maybe for different reasons that they're unhappy - but it gives them somewhere to go for people who are presenting strong, bold visions on one side or another. But that middle of the road position, it is just really challenging in a primary.

    And I think in terms of the endorsements, particularly from The Times and Stranger, you had two lesser known people, in Ann Davison and Nicole Thomas-Kennedy. Ann Davison had previously run for Lieutenant Governor as a Republican candidate. Nicole Thomas-Kennedy was largely unknown before she threw her hat in the ring. So when Seattleites aren't that familiar with someone, I think those endorsements matter much more than they do in races where they have already formed an opinion, or there's been a lot of coverage already. As voters get more familiar with candidates, then those endorsements matter less because they can already form their opinion. They don't have to rely on someone else's, but certainly in a race like that, it is impactful.

    And when these races are being decided within 10 points, that boils down to communication. I know a number of consultants have talked previously - we before have compared those endorsements to basically being the equivalent to a citywide mail piece or two where - in terms of communication, a lot of times it's like, Well, usually you figure a communication can give a candidate a 10ish point bump if it's good and effective. And that is what those endorsements generally can do also. And in close races that can determine who wins and who loses. And I think that's what we saw. Do want to pivot to talking about a lawsuit that was filed this week against Compassion Seattle Charter Amendment 29 in the City of Seattle. What is happening with that?

    [00:12:51] David Kroman: I always caveat talking about lawsuits that I'm not a lawyer, so I don't have any prediction as to the merit of this particular lawsuit, but it's interesting because in Washington State with initiatives, usually what happens is there's not a lot of recourse for preventing an initiative from going to voters in the first place. Usually what happens is it goes to voters and then if it's approved, then you start to see these lawsuits - people fight over whether it's constitutional or not. We've seen this a ton of times with Tim Eyman's initiatives, where they pass, go to court, get struck down, sometimes with gun control related initiatives or things like that.

    But this lawsuit is basically arguing that a city's response to homelessness and how it handles homelessness should not be a subject of an initiative vote at all. It's the same argument as was made against a measure to stop or to ban safe injection, safe consumption sites, which is that, it's a matter of public health. And it's basically the city's prerogative to decide how they want to do this for the health and safety of people involved. And so that's what this is saying - is it's trying to get ahead of the normal legal proceedings that happen around initiatives and say, This shouldn't be on the ballot at all.

    [00:14:14] Crystal Fincher: So who are the parties who are bringing this lawsuit?

    [00:14:18] David Kroman: So, it's a few parties - the ACLU, Real Change is involved, I believe the Tenants Union, or is it the Transit Riders Union? I need to actually pull up the actual case itself, but it's a few different advocacy organizations who have been pretty skeptical and opposed to this possible charter amendment from the start.

    [00:14:46] Crystal Fincher: Yeah. And it'll be really interesting to see how this proceeds - the ACLU of Washington - again, I'm also not a lawyer, but certainly they have brought a number of successful lawsuits in a range of policy and issue areas before. And so, certainly having them attached to this makes a lot of people pay attention and say, "Hey, maybe there's something here," because they typically are very thorough in what they choose to pursue and not pursue. And usually only pursue things they feel they have a good chance at winning and they often do. So certainly an interesting development - we've talked a lot about Charter Amendment 29 on this show and the differences between the rhetoric from the pro campaign and what the actual initiative says. So this conversation throughout the general election will be interesting, and this is going to be competitive. This charter amendment, as we were talking about - we did a consultants roundtable last night - and the people who are putting on this initiative have very deep pockets. There's a lot of downtown business associated with it. There was just an article this past week by Danny Westneat talking about some of the funders involved with this. And one of Trump's biggest boosters and financial supporters in the State of Washington is a big supporter of the Compassion Seattle campaign, also Bruce Harrell's campaign. So it'll be interesting to see just how House Our Neighbors, the ACLU of Washington - those on the record as opposing the initiative - are able to respond to this campaign, which certainly has a lot of slick messaging. But really debunking and fact checking that is going to be a tall task because of the differences in resources. But certainly there are some organizations involved who are very capable of doing that. So we'll see how that unfolds.

    Also, want to talk about updates on the consent decree process and the federal judge who is in charge of that. What is happening there?

    [00:17:17] David Kroman: What is happening there is, I think, a lot of uncertainty around what comes next. I will preface this - it's really difficult to talk about the consent decree and not get too far into the weeds. But what we're seeing, I think, is some tension between essentially branches of government - which is you have this consent decree, which is basically under the ownership of this federal judge. And that consent decree, I think people forget, is not really - it's actually pretty narrow. It's not really just about - make the police department a better place. I mean, that's part of it, but it has pretty specific goals around use of force, and training, and things like that. And so, because the goals are so specific, anything that the judge thinks might get in the way of those goals becomes the subject of his skepticism and ire.

    And so, that recently has become - the City Council's actions around "re-imagining" or possibly even defunding the police - because it gets right at the heart of this debate around how do you make public safety better? Is it by funding more police? Some people think that is the case, or is it by moving police dollars into something else? And I think for the federal judge, James Robart, he comes clearly more down on that depriving police departments of resources will make it more difficult for Seattle to meet its obligations of this consent decree, which is pretty much in direct conflict with a lot of the cries of the protestors and things of the last summer who wanted to move away from this model of policing.

    And so I think right now I don't really know what the path forward is. I think the judge is a little stumped. I think the people involved in this consent decree are a little stumped. This thing has been going on for almost 10 years when it was supposed to go on for 5 years, it costs a ton of money. And so I think the federal judge the other day was basically saying, "I'm skeptical of what the City is doing, but you guys need to give me a plan for how you're going to finish this thing." And I don't think that plan really exists right now.

    [00:19:48] Crystal Fincher: Yeah, and particularly because that plan is the policy, the politics of it. It really is a matter of perspective. I think you are correct when you talk about the federal judge has hesitations about the direction that the Council is taking. But residents of Seattle elected the Council based on the positions that they said they were going to take. They're taking the positions that they were elected to carry through. The challenge is them attempting to do that can be overturned by this judge, and that's an element in this reform discussion and through re-imagining discussion, that's confounding to everyone. Activists are pushing hard. Electeds are pushing hard trying to move in a different direction and get some of these changes that they've been talking about implemented. And that can actually be rejected by the judge, so there's this extra unelected element influencing policy in the City. And there have been decisions that the City Council had to basically walk back, or not make, or revise because it may be rejected by this federal judge. So in essence, they're negotiating with a federal judge regarding police department policy. And if it doesn't meet his approval, he'll just reject it. That's a very powerful position for an unelected person to be in, in terms of such impactful policy with the residents of Seattle. And I don't think this is what people on any side envisioned at the outset of this consent decree process.

    [00:21:51] David Kroman: Yeah. I agree with that. The one tweak I would make to that is it's - I think it's not so much that people are - that the City is beholden to an unelected judge. I mean, that is true. That is true. But I think what he would argue - I think what's really happening is the City is beholden to the people who were elected in 2010, because this settlement agreement that the judge is enforcing was written by the people who were in office or in the Department of Justice in 2010. And so - it's like if you imagine the 2010 City Council passing a piece of legislation and the 2020-2021 City Council still negotiating over whether or not - how to implement it. And that's what's going on. And so, it's this - and as we all know, the notion of police reform or what police reform looks like has changed fairly dramatically since 2010. So I think that's the main tension - is that the City is negotiating against its past self when negotiating the settlement with the Department of Justice was what they viewed at the time as the best option. And now their view of that has shifted and yet they are still obligated to fulfill the parameters of that 2010 settlement agreement.

    [00:23:20] Crystal Fincher: Yeah, yeah. That's a great point. And this is a reminder, I mean, that was the Council that had, I believe, Tim Burgess and Bruce Harrell, Richard Conlin - certainly a much more conservative Council than we currently have. And a completely different conversation on police reform. I mean, they hadn't even gotten to the point of body cameras at that time, I don't think. That was basically on the bleeding edge of consideration at that time. Certainly a lot different than we're looking at today. And there were people, including Mike McGinn, at the time who were calling it out as, "Hey, we're setting ourselves up for some problems here. And this policy is going to wind up different than Seattle voters seem to want at that time." Those calls weren't heeded, here we are - but it'll be interesting to see how we continue to proceed here and who we place as the next mayor in Seattle, who the Councilmembers are going to be coming in - could dramatically impact the way this conversation and policy unfolds.

    I also want to talk just a little bit about the situation we find ourselves in again - today, here, Friday, August 13th, we have hazy, unhealthy skies again because of wildfire smoke. We're in the middle of a heat advisory - temperatures in the upper 90s once again - and heat is something that we are going to be dealing with increasingly. This extreme heat, it's lethal heat. Absolutely dangerous to people's health and wellbeing. And we've talked about on this show, the responsibility that particularly local governments have in protecting their populations from threats to their health. And I think it's pretty clear that heat and the impacts and effects of heat were not top of mind on many cities' radars for a long time. And now that we are here, cities are trying to reckon with this.

    Last time in June, when we had extreme heat over - we reported over a 100 people, over 115 people died. It was the most lethal heat event that we've had in the state to date. There was a story that came out in the New York Times, I believe it was, this week talking about in the Pacific Northwest - there were actually over 600 excess deaths during that heat wave, which is far higher than any of the governments reported. No matter what lens we examine this through, heat is a major problem and a major threat to our health and wellbeing. And that's even before we get to the effects that it has on our ecosystem, the changes that it's making to the organisms and fish that inhabit our waters, our - we rely heavily on agriculture. It's a huge industry here. That is jeopardized by extreme heat. So we're going to have to deal with this and governments are not only going to have to take action to make sure that we keep this from getting worse than it already will be, but also protect their populations from the impacts that are happening right now.

    And I am looking at governments providing cooling centers. It's great. It looks like this is on - getting further on the radar of governments. But for example, a lot of suburban cities have cooling centers that close at 5:00 PM, which we're still dealing with lethal heat far after 5:00 PM. And the Seattle Times did some great reporting the end of June about heat islands. And because of the lack of a tree canopy, the extent of pavement - there are some areas in King County, particularly South King County, looking at like Kent, Auburn, Burien - that are routinely 20 degrees higher than other areas in our county and in our region at 8:00 PM, far after the highs of the day have been reached. Other areas are cooling down rapidly, but particularly in South King County, some areas just aren't cooling, so the threat of heat carries on well into the evening and night. And so I just hope that as we all listen and continue to move through this, that we all hold our government at all levels to account for making sure that they are protecting people from heat. We demand this when it comes to hurricanes, floods, other emergencies, and this is predictable. We know it's going to happen more frequently. We have to do a better job protecting our population because man, this is just highly lethal to people. And with significant unhoused populations, with one of the largest populations that doesn't have air conditioning in our homes and our region - this just continues to be a big threat. So I will hop off my soap box on that, but feel very strongly that we have to be more proactive in addressing this and in protecting people.

    With that, I am very thankful for you joining me today, David - lots of excellent insight and information. Appreciate it.

    [00:29:18] David Kroman: Thanks so much for having me.

    [00:29:19] Crystal Fincher: And I want to thank you for listening to Hacks & Wonks on KVRU 105.7 this Friday, August 13th, 2021. The producer of Hacks & Wonks is Lisl Stadler, assisted by Shannon Cheng. And our wonderful co-host today is Crosscut political reporter, David Kroman. You can find David on Twitter @KromanDavid that's K-R-O-M-A-N David. You can find me on Twitter @finchfrii, spelled F-I-N-C-H-F-R-I-I. Now you can follow Hacks & Wonks on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcasts. Just type "Hacks & Wonks" into the search bar, be sure to subscribe to get our Friday almost-live show and our mid-week show delivered to your podcast feed. If you like us, leave us a review wherever you listen to Hacks & Wonks - it really helps. You can also get a full transcript of this episode and links to the resources referenced in the show at officialhacksandwonks.com and in the podcast episode notes.

    Thanks for tuning in, we'll talk to you next time.

    Conversation with Lorena González: City Council President & Mayoral Candidate

    Conversation with Lorena González: City Council President & Mayoral Candidate

    This week Crystal dives into discussion of the Seattle mayoral race with candidate and City Council President Lorena González. Topics include what Council President González would require in the Seattle Police Officers Guild contract, how she would work with the city council once she becomes mayor, and what she would do in the face of our city’s looming eviction crisis.

    As always, a full text transcript of the show is available below and at officialhacksandwonks.com.

    Find the host, Crystal Fincher on Twitter at @finchfrii and find today’s guest, Council President Lorena González at @CMLGonzalez. More info is available at officialhacksandwonks.com.

     

    Resources:

    Learn more about the Seattle City Council’s reduction of the police budget here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-rebalances-2020-budget-passes-initial-police-department-cuts/ 

    Read about the passage of the 2017 Police Accountability Ordinance here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/seattle-city-council-passes-historic-police-accountability-legislation/ 

    Learn more about Seattle’s Universal Paid Family & Medical Leave plan here: https://www.seattle.gov/council/meet-the-council/lorena-gonz%C3%A1lez/universal-paid-family-and-medical-leave 

    Get a recent update on the eviction moratorium situation here: https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/03/15/durkan-extends-eviction-moratorium-as-local-state-leaders-consider-further-protections/ 

    Read the South Seattle Emerald’s conversation with Council President González here: https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/02/03/pledging-a-pathway-to-shared-prosperity-seattle-councilmember-lorena-gonzalez-announces-run-for-mayor/ 

     

    Transcript:

    Crystal Fincher: [00:00:00] Welcome to Hacks & Wonks. I'm your host, Crystal Fincher. On this show, we talk to political hacks and policy wonks to gather insight into local politics and policy through the lens of those doing the work, and provide behind the scenes perspectives on politics in our state. Full transcripts and resources referenced in the show are always available at officialhacksandwonks.com and in our episode notes.

    Today, we are joined by Seattle City Council president and mayoral candidate, Lorena González. Thank you so much for joining us today.

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:01:01] Thanks for having me, Crystal.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:01:03] Well, this is a really exciting time, and I guess I just wanted to start out by, what motivated you to want to run for mayor after dealing with everything you've dealt with on the Council?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:01:16] Well, that's a great question. I think I'm really motivated to run for mayor because I've never been one to back down from a challenge. And I see that there are several really important challenges facing my neighbors, facing my own family here in this city that I love, and I think that I am the person best suited and best positioned to help bring us all back together - to help us identify consensus, to put the negativity behind us and be focused on the solutions that we need to put into place as we look towards brighter days. That include coming out of this pandemic, that include working on economic recovery that is equitable, and on continuing to build on the work in this civil rights moment to address issues related to policing, its impacts on Black and Brown folks, and to continue the hard work around accountability and reform, which is something that I have dedicated my entire professional career to.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:02:33] Certainly, Seattle is one of the few departments that has actually successfully reduced funding of the police department. Certainly, there are those who want to go much further. So, I guess, starting there, do you plan to go further? And how do you plan to put into policy the demands and changes that are being asked for in the community?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:02:58] Yeah. Last year, in one budget cycle, we were able to achieve, in combination with what the mayor proposed in cuts, about an 18% reduction in the Seattle Police Department's budget. That is, of course, historic because there has never been a single year in the history of the Seattle Police Department in which they saw budget reductions. So, last year was the first time we did that. It was at about 18%, and I'm proud of that work. I'm proud of the fact that we worked with community partners to identify ways to responsibly take a scalpel approach and reduce the Seattle Police Department's budget, while also very importantly finding $30 million worth of investments that are going to go directly into community safety investments through a participatory budgeting process. And just this week, in the Public Safety and Human Services Committee, I was proud to vote in favor of advancing a $10 million new investment in community safety initiatives that, again, are going to build up those alternative systems to a law enforcement response.

    And so, for me, as mayor, I want to continue to work with City Council on identifying how to get our police department back to core law enforcement functions - how do we identify functions that the police department should not be doing, things like mental health services, behavioral health responses, crisis intervention. Those are things that we need to urgently identify, and develop a plan to transfer out of the police department, and to allocate to different systems that are much better suited to do that work. And in the meantime, we need to continue to increase and implement our investments in these community safety initiatives to make sure that we're building equitable community safety for everyone in our city.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:05:07] Do you think there is the opportunity to have further, I guess, modifications in patrol headcount and the composition of SPD? What would be the plan that you're putting forward, and how do you see it being implemented?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:05:26] Again, I think that doing a functional analysis to, again, evaluate which functions the police department is currently doing that would be more appropriately dealt with a different system is part and parcel of the plan. And we have to do that in a way that allows us to scale down on law enforcement responses, while also scaling up our other alternative response systems to people who are in crisis and who would be better served by non-law enforcement forward plan. And so, I think, for me, there is a world in which that functional analysis will lead us to the conclusion that we can do with less patrol officers, but that also relies on a strong commitment to implement and advance investments in these community safety-based initiatives that we know work and that will do better at keeping us all safe in our communities, particularly BIPOC community members.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:06:39] And another element that has certainly been talked about is the SPOG contract, and that influencing so much around accountability, and that contract is going to be negotiated this coming year. City Attorney Pete Holmes is saying that probably won't be negotiated until after the mayor is elected. So, what would be your approach, and what types of changes would you be wanting to see in that contract?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:07:10] In that contract, we need to get back to the Police Accountability Ordinance that I was the prime sponsor on, and that was unanimously passed in 2017. That is a really important priority for me now, as the council president, who sits on the Labor Relations Policy Committee and is currently looking at these issues. And, as mayor, it would be my responsibility and my commitment - to saying that we're going to work closely with community partners, and to make sure that we are re-instituting many of the policy wins that we had through the Police Accountability Ordinance. And I'll tell you, for me, the priority really is issues related to how I believe this police guild abuses the arbitration process in discipline issues, how we have allowed for lesser transparency as it relates to discipline matters, and making sure that ultimately at the end of the day, we need to have a contract that is going to inspire, not damage the trust of the public.

    And that means more transparency into these proceedings. It means faster discipline processes, and it means that when a chief does decide to fire or discipline an officer, that we are in the best position to uphold that discipline, as opposed to having it undercut and undermined by some private third-party arbitrator in a room that is closed off to the public and that none of us have an idea of what actually transpired in that room. That is really damaging to our trust into our system of policing, and we cannot continue to tolerate that kind of a system.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:09:14] Yeah, and I think a lot of people are going to be excited to hear you definitely lead with that 2017 Accountability Ordinance, which a lot of people are viewing as the standard to start with for a contract, and especially when it's so consequential for all of the other issues that we're talking about, in terms of keeping the community safe and making sure there is accountability. That seems critical. And, I guess, overall, the relationship between the Council and the mayor has been contentious at times, some might call it unproductive. A lot of people have viewed just the stances that the mayor has taken, probably not as favorably, in terms of being as proactive and addressing the critical needs that have become apparent through the pandemic. I guess, as you look at the past couple years, how would you go about changing the way you approach the relationship with the Council, and how do you think that is going to be visibly different in terms of results for Seattle residents?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:10:28] I'm really proud of the relationship I have with my colleagues. Even in moments in which I have disagreed about a policy issue, I have been willing to show up in the conversation to talk through that issue, and to come up with a consensus agreement around what we can do. And I am really proud of the working relationships and with the personal relationships that I have with the current City Council. By far and large, this will be the Council - the Council I belong to now is the Council I will work with as mayor if I'm elected. And I think that that is of great value to our city and to our governance. I will understand deeply how these council members work because I've been in the trenches with them.

    There is an inherent baked-in opportunity for us to trust each other and to use our working relationship and our longstanding personal relationships - to stay focused on what the problems in the city are and on the solutions that our constituents need to be able to thrive, and to be able to succeed, and to be able to have shared prosperity. And to stay focused on that, and not be focused on personality differences or stylistic differences, I think, is going to allow us all as elected leaders in this city to show the city how we can and are true leaders, and how we will continue to make sure that Seattle is considered the progressive leader in the country on policies and issues that our constituents want us desperately to be focused on and solve for.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:12:21] Yeah. I feel like that's something that a lot of people have been frustrated about - that there is the will among voters in Seattle. Certainly, people without homes, people without shelter, has been a major problem, continues to be, and for as much conversation as there's been around that, for as much rhetoric, we have not made the progress that we need to. And I think people are really eager for someone to come in, not just with a plan, but with the ability to get it implemented in a way that is visible, and that actually gets people into shelter immediately and to stable permanent housing ultimately. How do you feel you are better positioned to do that than the other candidates in the race?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:13:10] I think plans are only as good as your ability to get them done, and I know how to get things done. And I've proven that through my record on City Council. When I was first elected in 2015, my first priority in 2016 was to fight for paid family and medical leave for everyone in the City of Seattle. And that was a goal and a commitment I made as a first-time candidate, knowing that we had a family leave program at the state that had never been funded. And so, for 10 years, this fight had been going on, about how do we get paid family leave. 

    Well, I got to work. I focused all of my office resources on that issue. I met with over a hundred business owners to hear from them what their operational concerns would be with a paid family medical leave program in Seattle. I met with working family organizations, I met with labor, and pushed out a proposal based on that stakeholder process to advocate for a progressive paid family medical leave policy at the City. And, to me, it was important to take that position as a city and to say, "Look, this is something that can work. And if the state isn't going to take action, we are ready, willing, and able to do it right here in the City of Seattle. We will go it alone if we need to." That's the kind of work that I have been doing for the last seven years. And it's the kind of work I want to take to scale on the issues that are most important to us, including homelessness. And I am ready to prioritize those big ideas, and roll up my sleeves, get in the trenches, and deliver for all of us.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:15:17] You're listening to Hacks and Wonks with your host, Crystal Fincher, on KVRU 105.7 FM.

    Certainly, people are trying to evaluate, "Okay, everyone's saying they can get it done," but there are a lot of ideas coming from within the community and, I think, more of a priority placed right now on making sure community is included in those solutions. But there is always the challenge of taking, identifying a need, and people understanding that this is a problem and something needs to get done - and turning that into policy that can be implemented in a way that's helpful, that people can feel on the ground, and that also can withstand legal scrutiny, the pushback from people who just oppose everything happening. How do you negotiate that in this environment? Do you feel like you are uniquely able to do that, and how do you negotiate between community demanding something on one side, and the business community saying, "Well, we're going to oppose you if you move forward, and we're taking you to court"?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:16:31] Yeah. I know a thing or two about all of that - that you're talking about in your question. This is exactly what I have experienced over the last six or seven years. I would say this. First and foremost, it's about building coalitions. It's about giving people an opportunity to help us build the table. Not just a seat at the table, but let's build this table together. And sometimes, that means bringing people to the table who disagree with each other and who may be at polar opposites of a particular issue. But I'm a big believer in making sure that we are talking to all different perspectives. But that is with the understanding that we have a North Star, that we want a particular outcome.

    My philosophy is we're not inviting people to the table to say, "No," we're inviting people to the table to pave the path towards "Yes," towards progress. How do we get there? What do we need to do to get there? And that doesn't mean that we're going to agree a hundred percent of the time on the way there, but a hundred percent agreement isn't the goal. The goal is to end homelessness. The goal is to have shared prosperity. The goal is make sure that people of color aren't gentrified in massive rates from our city. That's the goal. And that's what we've got to stay focused on. And that might mean that we have to tolerate the speed bumps on the way there, but we can do that. I think we can do that.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:18:08] Well and you raise an important point about bringing voices to the table that haven't been there before. I think we're hearing from some of those, including the Black Brilliance Project, right now. But I also think among some of what people view as traditional establishment constituencies, or stakeholder groups, that there is more varied need and opinion within groups that a lot of times people portray as monolithic. Whether it's the business community - sometimes, we hear very different things from huge corporations like Amazon and small businesses, in terms of what they're saying they need and what's good for business in Seattle as a whole. And among workers - right now, we're having a conversation around being thankful and happy that a lot of frontline workers are getting increased hazard pay certainly and are eligible to get vaccinated. But looking at some people left behind, like restaurant workers, who are in a uniquely vulnerable position - where they're in situations where people are without masks some of the times and yet are not being prioritized for being vaccinated. 

    So, as you weigh these concerns, how do you navigate through listening to those voices? And you say the goal isn't consensus, so at some point in time, you do have to make people unhappy. And we've certainly heard, I think, over the last couple mayoral campaigns and candidates, that consensus has been talked about as its own goal and purpose. And the feeling that that has inhibited people actually moving forward to take action to get things done. How do you distill all of those different opinions and hear from enough people and then say, "All right, some people are going to be happy and some people aren't, but this is what we're going to do"?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:20:08] Yeah. Well, I think that's leadership, right? If you try to be all things to everyone, who are you in that point and time? Leaders, we are elected by the people of this city to make difficult decisions. And that is what I think our constituents expect us to do - is to make the difficult decisions, and to do it in a way that is principled and that is true to the progressive values of this city. And I think, for me, I come to this position and to this opportunity as somebody who has experienced a deep amount of poverty. I have very close family members who still experience generational poverty and trauma associated with that. And I also am married to my husband who is a restaurant worker and has been out of work for an entire year, and is not prioritized for a vaccine, and is about to go back to work in two weeks.

    I am in many ways still experiencing many of the systems that aren't designed for people of color, and for immigrants, and children of immigrants. And that is who I show up as every day in this work that I do on behalf of the people of the city. And, for me, we talk a lot about how representation and politics is important. It's important not just because of the physical presentation of an elected official. It's important because of who we are in our core. It's important because of who we have surrounded ourselves with, and because of the lived experiences, our life experiences in struggle and in overcoming those struggles and in being resilient.

    And I show up to this work believing every day that my job is to invest in the people who had a similar lived experience as me, so that we can get all boats to rise, and to actually have a meaningful opportunity to access education, to access healthcare, and to access housing stability in every neighborhood in our city. And that's the kind of city I want to build, and it's the kind of city I want to build with people who I know fundamentally believe in that kind of just and fair city that I think we can be.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:23:19] And we have work to go on being a just and fair city. We are confronted visibly with the haves and have-nots. And with so many needs right now that have been exacerbated by the pandemic and the economic crisis that has followed for so many people, what do you feel residents in Seattle need most right now? And, I guess, what kind of relief are you looking to provide for people who just desperately need help right now? What is your message to them?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:23:55] Yeah, I heard a report this morning that there are, I think, approximately 10 million people across the country who are extraordinarily behind in their rent right now. And so we are facing an eviction moratorium cliff, where we are on a potential path of creating a direct funnel into a state of homelessness for thousands of people in our city, in our region, and across the country. I hear about that every day in my inbox, in our voicemails, and on social media. And so, for me, that means that we have a really important obligation to meet needs related to rental assistance. We have an opportunity to do that. We are set to receive about $239 million in federal funding right now that we can choose to prioritize, and that I believe we should prioritize towards rental assistance, and also mortgage assistance, particularly for BIPOC home owners and other low income folks in our city, to stave off that cliff and that consequence of housing instability for thousands of people in our city.

    So rental assistance is of top priority. I believe this will continue to be a need into the next several years. And so we're going to have to be very intentional about prioritizing the limited resources we have towards rental assistance, and continue to advocate for the federal government and the state government to give us direct access to those dollars to support those families. That's a massive deal.

    The second thing I want to mention is, as it relates to COVID and vaccinations, and our unhoused population. Vaccinations, delivering vaccinations to us all is been challenging because of supply. Delivering vaccinations to people who don't have a home currently is even more challenging and difficult. Even if we can get them a first vaccination, it requires us to be very organized to be able to get them that second vaccination three weeks later. So I believe that the issues related to the deadly impacts and effects of COVID on our unhoused population will continue well into next year. And we have to be focused on scaling up programs that allow for single room occupancy to address the COVID-19 realities amongst people experiencing homelessness, who are particularly vulnerable to this deadly virus. And so those are two really important things that I think we need to be just laser focused on over the next couple of years.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:27:15] Gotcha. And we're nearing our time here, but in the couple minutes that we have left, certainly, among political consultants and people who are in politics, and especially who are working in politics and policy - campaigns aren't exactly the best job interview for the role of governing. And there are certainly spectacles, but the skills that are on display with campaigning aren't necessarily the same skills that you use in governing. I guess, as you go through this process, and as voters are trying to evaluate the maze of issues and candidates, and we have an increasingly crowded field for mayor, what do you think is the lens that people should be viewing this race through and making this decision through?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:28:10] I think this election is going to provide us, the voters, with clear choices. And I think we have an option to decide whether we want to continue to be a progressive, innovative city that centers our policies and our efforts on protecting the most vulnerable, on creating pathways to shared prosperity, again, through a progressive lens. Or we're going to be a city that chooses someone who is more interested in maintaining the status quo of business as usual. And, for me, the choice is clear. That right now we have a historic opportunity to do things radically different in a way that really transforms our economy to make it equitable, and to really make sure that we are focused on saying we are not going back to the old normal. There is a new normal, and that new normal has got to be one that is just, one that is equitable, and one that acts with the sense of urgency that this moment calls upon us to do.

    And, for me, I think voters need to be focused on people's track record on what has been accomplished and what still needs to be done. I believe I have a very strong record and one that I want to build on as mayor of this city. And I'm excited to get out there and to continue to make my case to the voters of this beautiful city that I love.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:30:03] I thank you for taking the time to speak with us today. Certainly are eager to see how this entire race unfolds and really having a constructive dialogue. 

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