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The desire for immortality across cultures and mythologies: Chinese mythology offers various means to achieve immortality, deeply rooted in human nature, from ancient stories to modern technology, continues to evolve and capture our imagination
The pursuit of transcending death and immortality is a common theme across various cultures and mythologies. Whether it's through an immaterial state, a different place, or sustaining one's immortality through certain actions, the desire to continue existing in some form is deeply rooted in human nature. From ancient stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh to modern technology like artificial intelligence, the idea of immortality continues to evolve and capture our imagination. In Chinese mythology, immortality is achieved through various means, and the concept remains an integral part of their rich cultural history. From the future of wireless with Visible to the latest technology transforming our world with Technically Speaking, and the quest for personal growth with Navy Federal Credit Union, there's always something new to explore. So join the conversation and keep learning, growing, and striving for a more accessible tomorrow.
The deep-rooted desire for survival and continued existence: The obsession with immortality stems from both evolutionary and psychological factors, driven by the desire to ensure gene survival and maintain mental continuity.
The obsession with immortality, as seen in Chinese mythology and beyond, can be understood as a deep-rooted desire for survival and continued existence, driven by both evolutionary and psychological factors. While the desire to reproduce and ensure the survival of one's genes is a primary motivator, the desire for extended life goes beyond just the body, applying specifically to the mind. This desire for mental continuity may stem from the benefits of having surviving grandparents as caregivers, or from a more complex psychological need to maintain a sense of self and identity. The idea that the mind is separate from the body, as suggested in the thought experiment about being offered a choice between having one's brain or body destroyed, is a fallacy, as mind and body are interconnected. The discussion also touched upon the universality of the concept of immortality across cultures and the importance of exploring the unique Chinese perspectives on this topic.
Preference for robot body over biological death: Many people believe their consciousness equals existence and prefer to live on in a robot body rather than experience biological death, but some philosophers argue that the finiteness of life gives it meaning and authenticity.
Most people would prefer their consciousness to be preserved in a robot body rather than having their body continue to function but their consciousness destroyed. This preference, though not biologically intuitive, stems from the belief that consciousness equals existence. However, not everyone shares this perspective. Philosophers like Martin Heidegger argue that the finiteness of life gives it meaning and authenticity. This discussion raises intriguing questions about the value we place on consciousness, life, and the choices we make within the constraints of time and resources.
Chinese mythology's complex view of death and immortality: Chinese mythology explores death and immortality as ongoing transformations, not eternal youth or freezing in time, and terror management theory suggests our fear of death drives cultural practices.
The human experience of death and the concept of immortality are complex and multifaceted, as evidenced in Chinese mythology. The expression of self is continually transforming, and the idea of living forever does not necessarily equate to eternal youth or being frozen in time. Instead, the intriguing models of immortality often involve aging and becoming more human, as seen in figures like Lo Pan. However, despite the abstract acceptance of death, many people go to great lengths to deny its reality due to an inherent fear of it. This fear has been proposed to explain the existence of various cultural norms, including traditions, religions, and art, as part of a psychological framework known as terror management theory. Ultimately, the way we view death and immortality can be seen as a series of lenses we choose to employ depending on our perspective.
Chinese mythology's fragmented collection of myths and folktales: Unlike Western mythology, Chinese mythology lacks a clear canon or pantheon, with gods and heroes experiencing death and metamorphosis, and creatures occupying a middle state between mortality and immortality.
Chinese mythology, unlike its Western counterparts like Greek mythology, does not have a strict canon or pantheon. Instead, it is characterized by a scattered and fragmented collection of myths and folktales that retain their original forms and have multiple versions depending on the region and time. This is due in part to the lack of a single authoritative text or "Bible" of Chinese mythology. Instead, Chinese mythology's line between mortality and immortality is often blurred, with gods and heroes experiencing defeat, death, and metamorphosis. Additionally, there are creatures that occupy a middle or liminal state between mortality and immortality. For example, the deity Woman Chow, who was born a corpse but lived through the world of the 10 suns, is a drought goddess. This concept of living forever is not just about retaining one's current state, but transcending to a different state. Despite its lack of a clear canon, Chinese mythology offers a rich and complex tapestry of stories and beliefs that continue to influence Chinese culture to this day.
Ancient Chinese Mythology: Immortality through Transformation: Ancient Chinese mythology portrays immortality not as an endless life, but as a transformation into something new and otherworldly, through rebirth or metamorphosis, as seen in the stories of Yi the archer and Singtain.
In ancient Chinese mythology, there are various depictions of characters who defy death through immortality or rebirth, often in the form of transformation or metamorphosis. For instance, Yi the archer saves the world by eliminating the extra suns and revives his wife, Cho, who is affiliated with the crab and symbolizes immortality through rebirth. Another character, Singtain, becomes a warrior god after being beheaded, using his nipples as eyes and navel as a mouth, and continuing to fight. These myths challenge the Western notion of aging as a decline, instead presenting immortality as a transformation into something new and otherworldly.
Unconventional approaches to challenging situations and the human desire for eternal life: JB Smoove suggests replacing timeouts with financial consequences for misbehaving kids, while Chinese culture emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility, immortality through mythical plants and beings, and the use of reishi and lingji mushrooms for health and longevity.
Dealing with challenging situations, like misbehaving kids, can be approached in unconventional ways. JB Smoove suggests replacing timeouts with financial consequences, emphasizing the importance of taking responsibility. Meanwhile, the idea of immortality through mythical plants and beings, like the grass of immortality and Lady Whitesnake, highlights the cultural relevance of aging and wisdom. In Chinese culture, this concept is linked to filial piety and the importance of grandparents. Additionally, reishi and lingji mushrooms, believed to promote health and longevity, have been used for thousands of years in traditional Chinese medicine. These stories and beliefs reflect the human desire for eternal life and the respect for the wisdom that comes with age.
The Immortal Grandfather in Chinese Mythology and Frank Herbert's Dune: The Immortal Grandfather, a symbol of longevity and wisdom in Chinese mythology, is linked to the star Canopus and is associated with the peach of immortality. In Frank Herbert's Dune, Arrakis, the planet of the life-extending spice, orbits Canopus, possibly an intentional homage.
The immortal grandfather, also known as Nanjing or Shou in Chinese mythology, is a significant figure representing longevity and wisdom. He is symbolically linked to the second brightest star in the sky, Canopus, and is often depicted as an old man with a swollen forehead full of knowledge. This character holds great importance in Chinese culture, being one of the three stars or gods, Fu, Lu, and Sho. Fu represents good fortune, Lu symbolizes business savvy and professional success, and Sho embodies longevity. The immortal grandfather is also associated with the peach of immortality, another symbol of eternal life. Interestingly, in Frank Herbert's Dune universe, the planet Arrakis, the home of the mind-expanding and life-extending spice melange, orbits the ancient Chinese god of longevity and wisdom, Canopus. This connection could be a coincidence or an intentional homage, but it showcases the global influence of Chinese mythology and its enduring themes.
The Daoist immortal body: Myth or Science?: Daoist immortals' genderlessness, dietlessness, and magical powers have parallels in scientific research on longevity, such as castration increasing men's lifespan.
The ancient Chinese concept of the Daoist immortal body, as described in the writings of Zhuang Zhou, presents an intriguing parallel between the supernatural characteristics of immortals and the biological factors of aging. This immortal figure, often depicted as a hermit on a mountain, is genderless, dietless, and possesses magical powers. While some may view this as mere myth, Anne Beryl points out that these aspects share similarities with real scientific research on longevity. For instance, research suggests that men can increase their lifespan through castration, which aligns with the description of the immortal figure losing primary sex characteristics. This fascinating connection between myth and science adds depth to our understanding of the concept of immortality and aging in Chinese culture.
Study of eunuchs' longer lifespans in ancient China: Ancient China's eunuchs lived longer than non-castrated men, possibly due to hormonal factors. Caloric restriction and ancient alchemical practices are explored for longevity insights.
The study of eunuchs' longer lifespans compared to non-castrated men in ancient China may provide insights into the potential role of male sex hormones in aging. This discovery, along with research on caloric restriction and longevity, adds to the intriguing possibilities surrounding the ancient concept of the enlightened immortal. The immortal's diet of only drinking dew and eating wind could be interpreted as a metaphor for restricting daily food intake to extend life. However, while some studies suggest a connection between caloric restriction and increased lifespan in animals, the results in primates, including rhesus monkeys, have been mixed. In modern times, the quest for a pill or potion for longevity remains a popular desire, leading us to explore ancient alchemical practices, as documented in texts like Cohu Hung's Biographies of Holy Immortals, for potential answers.
The Complexity of the Sorcerer's Stone and Elixir of Immortality: The Sorcerer's Stone and Elixir of Immortality represent not just eternal life, but potentially transformative immortality or maintaining current state indefinitely. Philosophical debate exists on the type of immortality desired, and it takes less gold to resurrect the dead than sustain human life indefinitely.
The concept of the Sorcerer's Stone in alchemy, which was believed to grant biological immortality, is not a simple proposition. It's not just about living forever, but potentially transforming into something cosmic or maintaining one's current state indefinitely. The idea of living as long as the natural world is different from living forever, and there's a philosophical debate about what kind of immortality one might want. Interestingly, it seems to take less gold to resurrect the dead than to sustain human life indefinitely. The concept of the Elixir of Immortality is complex and thought-provoking, inviting us to ponder the meaning of life and the nature of existence itself.
The myth of Chang'e's immortality: Chinese mythology's Chang'e story showcases the complexity of characters and their relationships, with versions depicting her as a villain or a devoted wife.
The Chinese mythology's elixir of immortality, associated with the queen mother of the west, has various versions of its narrative. The most famous one involves the archer Yi, who is rewarded with the potion but his wife, Chang'e, steals it and drinks it, flying to the moon. However, the details of Chang'e's actions and consequences vary. Some versions depict her as a villain punished by the gods, while others portray her as a devoted wife who sacrifices herself to protect the potion from her husband's enemy. These stories reflect the complexity of Chinese mythology and the intricacies of its characters and their relationships. The Michigan Chronicle Digital Daily, like the ancient Chinese myths, offers diverse perspectives and stories that enrich our understanding of the world around us. Stay informed, empowered, and connected by subscribing to the Michigan Chronicle at michiganchronicle.com.
Myths of Chang'e and Yi: Transcending Mortality and the Consequences of Power: Myths of Chang'e and Yi explore the human desire for immortality and its potential consequences, with themes of love, self-sacrifice, power, and transformation.
Myths and cultural beliefs about death and immortality, such as the Chinese legend of Chang'e and Yi, offer insights into the human desire to transcend mortality and the potential consequences of power and transformation. In one version, Chang'e becomes immortal by fusing with the moon out of love and self-sacrifice, initiating the Autumn Moon Festival. In another, she obtains immortality to save the people from Yi's tyranny, but is punished and forced into eternal labor on the moon. These stories reflect the complexities of human nature, with heroes who can become villains and vice versa, and the irony of desiring immortality yet facing eternal, pointless labor. These myths also reveal universal questions about the meaning and desirability of immortality, and how our understanding of these stories evolves through different historical contexts.
Exploring the connection between cognition and religion in diverse cultural contexts: The Chinese context, with its unique religious and mythological roots, provides valuable insights into the human mind's relationship with religion and myth.
When studying the relationship between cognition and religion or myth, it's crucial to consider diverse cultural models. The 2014 study by Melanie Nyloff and Kelly James Clark, titled "Afterlife Beliefs and Their Cognitive Mechanisms among the Chinese Past and Present," is an ongoing effort to explore this concept within the Chinese context, which has a long history of secular state and unique religious and mythological roots. Chinese myth featured high gods as moral enforcers, rewarding and punishing human behavior, aligning with the global trend of humans' innate desire to explain the universe through personified deities. Children, regardless of cultural background, exhibit a teleological understanding of the world, seeking purpose and explanation for natural phenomena. Our minds naturally gravitate towards intuitive and counterintuitive religious ideas, making them memorable and enduring. This underscores the importance of examining various cultural perspectives to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the human mind's relationship with religion and myth.
Childhood shapes religious and spiritual beliefs through counterintuitive ideas: Children's brains are more receptive to unusual beliefs, shaping lifelong religious and spiritual perspectives. Secularized societies still harbor desires for spiritual expression and immortality.
The human brain is more receptive to counterintuitive and absurd ideas during childhood, which can shape religious and spiritual beliefs. This was observed in studies involving both UK and Chinese subjects. While Chinese religion has fewer rituals involving gods acting upon humans, the desire for spiritual expression remains, even in secularized societies. This can manifest in unexpected ways, such as through immersive games like World of Warcraft. The desire for immortality and belief in immortal beings, a common reason for the emergence of religion, continues to exist in secularized societies and finds expression in various forms, including transhumanism and the pursuit of longevity.
Exploring the pursuit of immortality: If achieving human immortality requires solving 11 problems, and even if we could digitize consciousness, true immortality might mean embracing transformation and letting go of our current form.
The pursuit of immortality, whether through scientific advancements or mythological means, raises profound questions about the nature of existence and transformation. According to a guest on the podcast "Stuff to Blow Your Mind," if we could solve the 11 problems that hinder human aging and death, we might achieve immortality. However, this idea faces strong opposition, and even if we could digitize consciousness and become robots, what kind of existence would that be? The guest suggests that immortality means being open to transformation and letting go of our current form. This idea is reflected in Chinese mythology and other folklore traditions, as well as modern scientific inquiries and our collective hunger for eternal life. For those interested in learning more about Asian society and culture, the Asia Society is a leading educational organization that promotes understanding and partnerships between Asia and the United States.
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