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    Sean Decatur doesn’t see a free speech crisis on campus

    enJanuary 17, 2019

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    • Business Simplicity and Money Management SolutionsMercury simplifies business workflows, Wise manages money across currencies, and Ezra Klein explores political identity and polarization with diverse voices

      Simplicity and precision are key to business success and efficient money management. Mercury provides financial solutions for businesses to streamline their workflows, while Wise offers a convenient and cost-effective way to manage money in different currencies. Meanwhile, Ezra Klein, the host of the Mr. Klein Show, is working on a book about political identity and polarization in American politics. He's seeking recommendations for interesting voices and perspectives on the topic, especially regarding the evolution of the Republican and Democratic parties. In a recent episode, he interviewed Jonathan Haidt about campus political correctness, and listeners requested to hear from college administrators on the topic. So, he invited Sean Decatur, the president of Kenyon College, to share his insights.

    • The Debate Over Free Speech and Civility on College CampusesCollege presidents like Sean Decatur argue against a crisis in free speech and civility on campus, acknowledging changes in application but emphasizing balance and understanding in navigating the evolving college landscape.

      The debate surrounding free speech and civility on college campuses is not a new issue, but rather a progression of who is imposing standards and how they are being applied. Sean Decatur, the president of Kenyon College, believes that students today are navigating their ideals in a complex and diverse society, much like students have always done. He argues against the notion of a crisis, stating that the rhetoric around it is overblown. However, he acknowledges that the application of civility and decency may have changed, with some arguing that it has become too restrictive or politically correct. Ultimately, the conversation raises larger questions about the role of colleges, the relationship between students and administrators, and what kind of learning and preparation students should receive. Decatur offers valuable insights into these issues, emphasizing the importance of balance and understanding in navigating the evolving college landscape.

    • The Evolution of Safety: Beyond Physical to Emotional and IdentityUnderstanding the importance of fostering inclusive and safe spaces while respecting different perspectives on the role of comfort and challenge in learning environments.

      The concept of safety and the desire for it extends beyond physical security and has evolved to include emotional and identity safety for many individuals. This shift in definition has led to debates over the role of comfort and challenge in learning environments and the potential overuse and misuse of the term "safety." For some, the emphasis on safety may stem from a history of feeling persistently unsafe, making it a natural response. However, for others, the prioritization of safety over challenge may hinder growth and learning. It's essential to understand and respect these different perspectives while recognizing the importance of fostering inclusive and safe spaces for all individuals. The ongoing conversation around safety and safetyism requires continued reflection and dialogue.

    • Creating an Inclusive Learning EnvironmentRecognizing the impact of traumatic experiences on learning, trigger warnings can be a form of good pedagogy for creating an inclusive learning environment. It's not about shielding students, but about acknowledging potential impacts and fostering a safe space for all.

      While the concepts of safety and trigger warnings have been subject to debate, it's important to acknowledge the legitimate concerns of students who feel unsafe or triggered on campus. These students come from diverse backgrounds and may face real uncertainty about their safety and sense of belonging. Trigger warnings, when used appropriately, can be a form of good pedagogy that recognizes the impact of traumatic experiences on learning. It's not about shielding students from difficult topics, but about creating an inclusive learning environment where all students can engage with the material. It's also important to note that trigger warnings have been a common practice in various forms for a long time, such as movie ratings and explicit language warnings. As always, there's a risk of taking things too far, but acknowledging the potential impact of certain topics on students is a reasonable approach to creating an inclusive and effective learning environment.

    • Decency and societal norms evolutionDecades ago, decency meant respecting broader societal norms through warnings on explicit content. Today, it's about acknowledging and respecting individuals' feelings and preferences, as seen in discussions on racial epithets and gender pronouns. The debate continues, balancing free speech and respect.

      The concept of decency and its role in shaping societal norms and campus discussions has evolved over time. Decades ago, it was about respecting broader societal decency through warnings on explicit content. Today, it's about acknowledging and respecting the feelings and preferences of individuals in our communities. This was highlighted in discussions surrounding the use of racial epithets on campus and the importance of respecting preferred gender pronouns. The debate around decency is not limited to a select few campuses but is a complex issue that affects a large number of non-traditional students. While some argue for the protection of free speech, others emphasize the importance of respect and decency in creating a more inclusive and welcoming community. Ultimately, the goal is to hold ourselves to a higher standard and foster a more respectful and considerate society.

    • The real crisis in higher education often revolves around food security and other fundamental issues faced by the majority of students and institutions.Despite popular focus on elite campus issues, the real challenges in higher education lie in food security and basic needs for the majority of students and institutions. Historically, colleges have shaped societal norms, but their role has evolved beyond the traditional parental figure.

      While loan repayment and speech issues on elite campuses may receive significant attention in public discourse, the real crisis in higher education often revolves around food security and other fundamental issues faced by the majority of students and institutions. This perspective is shaped by the fact that many policymakers and education leaders have come from elite institutions, leading to policies that prioritize their concerns over those of the broader student population. Additionally, historical context reveals that colleges and universities have long played a role in socializing students and shaping acceptable behavior beyond just academic education. However, this approach has evolved, with the decline of the traditional role of the college as a parent figure and the relaxation of strict regulations on student life. Understanding this history can provide valuable context for current debates on higher education and its role in society.

    • College campuses evolve with changing social normsColleges facilitate conversations and help students develop sensitivity and fluency in a diverse society, challenging norms like blackface, which were once seen as acceptable but are now offensive.

      The evolution of college campuses and the changing social norms are driven by the demographic shifts and the increasing diversity of students, faculty, and staff. What might have been considered acceptable behavior decades ago is no longer deemed appropriate in today's multicultural society. The role of institutions has not changed; they have always enforced social norms. However, the norms have evolved, and students are learning valuable lessons in activism, civility, and operating in a diverse society. An example of this is the changing attitude towards wearing blackface, which was once seen as a form of humor but is now widely regarded as offensive. The challenge for colleges is to facilitate difficult but necessary conversations and help students develop sensitivity and fluency in a diverse society. The story of George W. Bush being corrected by his mother for using a racial slur serves as a reminder that such conversations and lessons are not a sign of political correctness run amok but rather essential for fostering a more inclusive and respectful community.

    • Navigating diversity and decency on college campusesCollege campuses serve as experimental grounds for students to learn about diversity and decency. Administrators foster healthy conversations, balancing free speech with sensitivity, to help students effectively communicate in a diverse world.

      College campuses today serve as experimental grounds for students to navigate diversity and decency in a complex world. It's a learning process for all, and the expectation that students should get it right all the time is unrealistic. Administrators play a crucial role in fostering healthy conversations on these campuses, balancing the need to address sensitive issues with the protection of free speech. Creating a safe space for open dialogue is essential, but it often means alienating individuals on all sides of a controversy. The ultimate goal is to help students develop an understanding of diverse perspectives and effectively communicate in a diverse world.

    • Balancing free speech and respectful community in educationEducational institutions must find ways to sustain conversations and learning experiences around controversial issues, while respecting diverse perspectives and promoting civility and decency.

      Managing free speech and fostering a respectful community in educational institutions can be a complex challenge. Controversies and disagreements are inevitable, and they can lead to valuable learning experiences. However, sustaining these conversations over time, especially when a significant portion of the student body graduates or is away during the summer, can be challenging. The dual roles of residential colleges, which promote free inquiry and teach civility and decency, can sometimes clash during these controversies. Balancing these values requires ongoing dialogue and a commitment to understanding and respecting diverse perspectives. It's essential to find ways to keep conversations going and ensure that everyone has the opportunity to engage in meaningful learning experiences.

    • Tension between personal comfort and activism in community spacesAdministrators can foster respectful dialogue between diverse perspectives by encouraging conversations about the dynamics of different spaces on campus, allowing students to make informed decisions about respecting those spaces.

      The intersection of community spaces and activism on college campuses can lead to conflicts between individual comfort and collective awareness. Using the example of a dining hall as a community space and a site for political activism, the discussion highlights the tension between those who see it as a personal space and those who view it as a platform for activism. The administrator's perspective is to foster conversations about the dynamics of different spaces on campus, allowing students to make informed decisions about respecting those spaces rather than imposing strict rules. This approach encourages a deeper understanding of the campus environment and fosters a respectful dialogue between diverse perspectives.

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    • Balancing Economic Value and Personal Development in CollegeCollege offers more than just economic benefits, personal growth, community engagement, and intangible components often have the most significant impact on students' lives.

      While presenting an idealistic vision of a college experience is important, there is a risk of falling short and disappointing students when reality doesn't meet expectations. Additionally, there is a growing concern that higher education has become too transactional, with students focusing solely on marketable skills and the return on investment. However, it's crucial to remember that a liberal arts education offers more than just economic benefits. It also fosters personal growth, community engagement, and a deeper understanding of oneself and the world. The intangible, holistic components of education often have the most significant impact on students' lives in the long run. As college presidents, it's essential to strike a balance between emphasizing the economic value of education and the importance of personal development and community engagement. When speaking to successful alumni, they often remember the intangible aspects of their education the most.

    • Education's Impact on Sense of BelongingHoward Gardner's study reveals that transactional views of education lead to less sense of belonging, while exploratory or holistic perspectives foster stronger connections. However, the growing perception of education as a market good poses a risk of unintended consequences, including a diminished sense of community and belonging.

      According to Howard Gardner's study, the way people perceive their educational experience significantly impacts their sense of belonging and connection to their educational institution and community. Those who view education as transactional, focusing on the economic value, are less likely to feel a strong sense of connection. Conversely, those who see education as exploratory or holistic, prioritizing personal development and community engagement, report higher levels of belonging. However, as education becomes increasingly viewed and priced as a market good, there is a risk of unintended consequences, such as a diminished sense of community and belonging. This trend, which can be seen in debates around free college plans and tuition increases, may lead to education being fundamentally perceived as an economic transaction rather than an investment in personal growth and community engagement. This shift could potentially have long-term consequences, as the fundamental nature of education may be altered.

    • A History of Elite Education and SubsidiesThe subsidized education model, which allows a diverse student body to learn together, is being challenged by rising costs, potentially threatening its sustainability.

      Throughout much of higher education's history, access to college education was limited to a select few due to social status or direct institution restrictions. Education was considered an elite good, and the market cost now serves a similar function as a gatekeeper. Institutions subsidize a significant portion of their expenses, allowing a diverse student body to learn together, enhancing the overall educational experience. However, the escalating cost of education raises concerns about its sustainability as the number of people who can afford full price tuition is decreasing, potentially threatening the subsidy model. This model, from both a policy and moral perspective, makes sense, but the financial viability of this model is being questioned as the cost continues to rise. The University of California system, for example, was once affordable for a few hundred dollars in tuition, but that is no longer the case. The challenge lies in finding a viable alternative to the current model as it becomes increasingly expensive.

    • Who should pay for elite education?The high cost of elite education raises questions about who should bear the financial burden, with taxpayers primarily footing the bill despite not directly benefiting.

      The high cost of elite education raises questions about who should bear the financial burden. While some of the benefits of higher education, such as economic growth and innovation, may be experienced by those outside the educational system, the cost is primarily paid for by taxpayers who do not directly benefit. As education becomes more expensive, it becomes increasingly difficult to uphold values that don't align with market logic. Additionally, demographic trends indicate that the overall market for college students is flattening or declining, which will impact institutions differently depending on their ability to attract students from beyond their local regions. These trends raise questions about the future of higher education and the role of government and market forces in shaping it.

    • Redefining excellence in higher educationWe should shift focus from exclusivity to accessibility and inclusion in higher education to make it more affordable and accessible for a larger population.

      The high cost of higher education in the United States may not be due to a lack of demand or resources, but rather from an artificially constrained supply of prestigious institutions. The notion of exclusivity and prestige being linked to high admission rejection rates perpetuates this issue. Instead, we should redefine excellence in higher education to focus on accessibility and inclusion, rather than exclusivity. This could lead to more affordable and accessible education opportunities for a larger population. Additionally, demographic changes and the potential influx of foreign students could help mitigate the impact of declining populations in certain areas. Overall, it's important to challenge the traditional definition of prestige and exclusivity in higher education and work towards making education more widely accessible.

    • Exploring the Tension Between Educational Excellence and AccessibilityThree books offer insights into the complex relationship between educational excellence, exclusivity, and accessibility, highlighting the need to balance access, affordability, and quality in higher education.

      The perception of educational excellence is often tied to exclusivity and scarcity, leading to a focus on elite institutions that limit enrollment. This mindset, driven by societal values and institutional behavior, overlooks the value of institutions that offer high-quality education to a larger student body. The difficulty in measuring the impact of higher education on broader societal values, such as decency and community involvement, further complicates matters. Historically, education has transitioned from an elitist system to a meritocratic one, but the tension between rewarding excellence and maintaining a hierarchical society continues to be a challenge. Three books that explore these themes and offer valuable insights are: 1. "The Price of Admission: How Elite Colleges Are Failing Disadvantaged Students" by Daniel Golden - This book examines the role of wealth and privilege in college admissions and the impact on students from disadvantaged backgrounds. 2. "The Shocking Truth About What's Happening Inside America's Universities" by Charles Sykes - Sykes' book provides a critical look at the state of higher education and the challenges of balancing access, affordability, and quality. 3. "Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses" by Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa - This study explores the connection between college attendance and student learning, shedding light on the need for a more comprehensive definition of educational excellence.

    • Exploring demographic shifts and identity complexities in higher educationNathan Graw's book 'The Challenger Demographics in Higher Education' sheds light on demographic shifts, while Anthony Appiah's 'The Lies That Bind' delves into identity complexities. Hope Yarns' 'Lab Girl' offers insights into the scientific process and woman's experiences.

      Importance of understanding demographic shifts in higher education, as highlighted in Nathan Graw's book "The Challenger Demographics in Higher Education. Additionally, the exploration of identity and its complexities can be gained from Anthony Appiah's "The Lies That Bind. Lastly, for those with a scientific inclination, "Lab Girl" by Hope Yarns offers a captivating memoir of a woman scientist's experiences and insights into the scientific process and climate change. These books offer valuable perspectives on various aspects of life and learning.

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