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    The best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball

    enOctober 04, 2016

    Podcast Summary

    • 2020 Election and campaign strategiesTrump's unconventional campaign challenges traditional strategies, while financial tools like Mercury and Wise streamline business operations

      The current political climate, as discussed in the Ezra Klein Show episode with Molly Ball, raises questions about the importance of traditional campaign strategies in elections. Trump's campaign, with its lack of focus on ads, messaging, and field operations, has some wondering if these efforts hold as much sway as previously believed. Meanwhile, financial tools like Mercury and Wise provide simplicity and control in managing complex financial workflows and international money transfers, enabling businesses and individuals to operate efficiently. Overall, the episode highlights the uncertainty and intrigue of the 2020 election, while the financial solutions offer valuable solutions to simplify business operations.

    • The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election: A Departure from Cool and AgreeableThe 2016 U.S. presidential election has exposed deep divisions and crises within American society, leading to the rise of unconventional candidates like Trump and Sanders, while economic indicators suggest a relatively normal societal situation outside of the political sphere.

      The 2016 U.S. presidential election has exposed deep divisions and crises within American society, resulting in the rise of unconventional candidates like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. The political landscape is far from the cool and agreeable environment suggested by the phrase "how about nobody's president and everybody just agrees to be cool?" Instead, America is experiencing a sense of crisis and hunger for radical change, driven by both hardcore partisans and disaffected independent voters. Despite this turmoil, it's important to note that consumer confidence, unemployment, and other economic indicators suggest a relatively normal societal situation outside of the political sphere. This raises the question of whether the primaries are accurately representing the American people or holding them hostage to extreme solutions. The Republican Party's internal tensions and confusion about its identity have contributed to Trump's rise, while the Democratic Party's anti-establishment voters have rallied behind Sanders. Both candidates have tapped into a widespread sense of crisis and desire for change, making the election a stark departure from what many would have considered plausible just a few years ago.

    • New voters disrupt 2016 primaries, fueled by fear and instabilityUnprecedented new voters, driven by fear and instability, disrupted the 2016 primaries, with Trump and Sanders benefiting. Millennials surprisingly trust Trump on financial regulation.

      The 2016 primaries saw an unprecedented influx of new voters, who were not typically active in primaries, propelling the campaigns of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. This disruption to the neat and orderly primary system was driven by a sense of instability and fear in the electorate, fueled by economic uncertainty, global crises, and a perception that the political system is failing to protect them. The fear and anger among voters have produced a clash between the "angry, fearful hordes" and those who promise normalcy and stability. Hillary Clinton, despite her message of continuity, faces challenges in convincing voters that she represents a viable alternative to Trump's promises of change. A notable finding is that millennials trust Trump more on financial regulation, despite Clinton's tough stance on the issue, highlighting the deep-rooted mistrust in the political system.

    • Identity and tribal affiliations drive the 2016 electionPeople are drawn to candidates who represent their interests and values, even if their policies are not well-defined or feasible. Trump's success lies in his ability to tap into this desire for representation and present himself as a champion for a particular group.

      The 2016 election is not primarily about policy, but rather about identity and tribal affiliations. The candidates' policy proposals may be important to some, but they seem to be secondary to many voters. Instead, people are drawn to candidates who they feel represent their interests and values, even if those candidates' policies are not well-defined or feasible. Trump's success can be attributed to his ability to tap into this desire for representation and to present himself as a champion for a particular group. The election is not just about the political system, but also about the larger class and elite system, and Trump's outsider status has resonated with many voters who feel disconnected from the political establishment. Trump's issue set, which includes building a wall and banning Muslim travel, has been effective in signaling to certain voters that he is willing to stand up for them in a way that other candidates are not. Pat Buchanan, a previous candidate known for similar issue sets, noted that Trump has succeeded where he failed in connecting with this segment of the electorate.

    • Trump's success in 2016 primaries due to zero-sum economy perceptionTrump identified and exploited the belief in a zero-sum economy among certain Americans, fueling feelings of being left behind and galvanizing support through controversial issues.

      Donald Trump's success in the 2016 primary can be attributed to his recognition and exploitation of the zero-sum perception of the economy held by a significant portion of the American population. Trump identified issues such as immigration and unfavorable trade deals that fueled feelings of being left behind and used them to galvanize support. He did not attempt to appeal to the majority, but rather focused on winning over a substantial minority. This approach, while controversial, tapped into a deep-seated sentiment and contributed to Trump's electoral victory. The larger idea behind Trump's campaign was a rejection of the long-held belief that everyone in America could succeed simultaneously. Instead, he presented a worldview where there are winners and losers, and people should fight for their own interests. This perspective challenged the political consensus and resonated with many voters, ultimately leading to Trump's unexpected rise to power.

    • Impacts of globalization on individuals and communitiesGlobalization can lead to job displacement and resentment, but government assistance and personal growth can help individuals adapt and find new opportunities. However, the underlying economic realities and complex emotions fueling these shifts must be acknowledged and understood.

      The economic shifts brought about by globalization can have profound impacts on individuals and communities, and these impacts can be felt in complex ways. The story of the factory worker in Alabama illustrates this point. He was displaced when his plant was bought by a foreign company and shut down, but he was able to receive government assistance to go back to school and eventually found a better job. However, he still expressed a sense of resentment towards the fact that the tires were no longer being made in the US. This sentiment, which can be found among many Trump supporters, is not about personal loss, but rather a sense of vicarious resentment towards the idea of jobs being taken away and the feeling that the system is not working in their favor. Trump tapped into this feeling, and while he may not have been the one causing the economic shifts, he was able to channel the anger and frustration towards himself and his opponents. It's important to acknowledge and understand these complex emotions and the underlying economic realities that fuel them.

    • Anxiety among older white rural males due to demographic shiftsOlder white rural males feel a sense of losing power and control in a society that is no longer predominantly white and Christian, leading to anger and resentment towards immigrants and minorities.

      The current political climate in America is marked by significant demographic changes and resulting anxiety among certain groups, particularly older white rural males. This anxiety stems from a sense of losing power and control over a society that is no longer predominantly white and Christian. The vitriolic anger and resentment towards immigrants and minorities, as exemplified by figures like Donald Trump, can be seen as a response to these demographic shifts and a desire to blame external forces for perceived losses. This phenomenon is not new to American history, but the current moment marks a significant inflection point where the country is no longer a white Christian society. The challenge lies in finding productive ways to address these anxieties and demographic changes without resorting to divisive and racist rhetoric.

    • The divisive political climate and Trump's impactTrump's unapologetic stance and disregard for public opinion have resonated with a significant portion of the population, contributing to a deeply divisive political climate where productive dialogue is rare.

      The current political climate in America is deeply divisive and emotionally charged, particularly around issues of identity politics. Trump's presidency has tapped into this tension, with many people feeling marginalized and unable to express their identities freely. This has led to a toxic environment where people are retreating to safer spaces and unwilling to engage in productive dialogue. Trump's ability to handle conflict and his celebrity status have been key factors in his success, but it remains unclear if anyone else can replicate this formula. The underlying causes of Trump's rise are complex, but it is clear that his unapologetic stance and disregard for public opinion have resonated with a significant portion of the population. The challenge for American society is to find a more productive way to address these issues and bridge the growing divide.

    • Trump's Unusual Campaign Path to VictoryTrump's victory was a result of unique circumstances, including a large number of opponents, lack of campaign infrastructure, and charisma. It's uncertain if these factors will be present in future elections.

      The unusual circumstances surrounding Donald Trump's presidency, including a large number of opponents in the primary and a lack of campaign infrastructure, contributed to his victory. While some may argue that Trump's success calls into question the importance of campaigns and political consultants, it's likely that the specific circumstances of his campaign were unique and not easily replicable. Trump's lack of a traditional ground game and limited advertising spending were notable, but it's important to remember that his candidacy was also fueled by his charisma and the dissatisfaction of a significant portion of the Republican base. It's unclear if these factors will be present in future elections, making it difficult to draw definitive conclusions about the role of campaigns in the electoral process.

    • Deregulation of campaign finance and Trump's unconventional campaignDespite Clinton's financial advantage, Trump's unconventional campaign and Clinton's unpopularity have kept the race competitive

      The deregulation of campaign finance has led to an enormous amount of money being spent in politics, creating a profession dedicated to spending it in expensive ways. Trump, with his celebrity, outrageousness, and skill at earned media, was able to run an unconventional campaign with minimal spending. However, Hillary Clinton's unpopularity has also played a role in Trump's success. The effectiveness of television ads in national campaigns is debated, with some political scientists suggesting that their impact is minimal and that only a small percentage of the electorate is persuadable. Despite Hillary Clinton's significant financial advantage, Trump has managed to stay competitive, suggesting that a larger portion of the electorate is up for grabs in this election than in previous years.

    • Polarization leading to stable voter preferencesPolarization causing high info voters, particularly women and former Republicans, to have strong negative feelings towards both major party candidates, leading to less unpredictable swing voters

      The current political climate is seeing a shift in voter behavior, with high information voters, particularly Republican women, expressing uncertainty about their traditional party affiliations. This trend is contributing to a decrease in swing voters, as these voters hold strong negative feelings towards both major party candidates. A political scientist named Corwin Schmidt's research explains this phenomenon by suggesting that the increasing polarization of the two parties has led to a heightened awareness of candidate differences among even low information voters, and a growing fear and dislike of the opposing party. This fear and dislike is resulting in stable, predictable voter preferences, rather than the unpredictable, "floating voters" of the past. The Republican Party's civil war and conservative media's attacks on the institution have led many former Republicans to leave the party, while the Democratic Party is experiencing this trend among the millennial generation, who hold strong ideological beliefs but express a lack of loyalty to the party as an institution. Overall, these trends are contributing to a more polarized electorate and a decrease in swing voters.

    • The Democratic Party's disconnect from its baseThe Democratic Party struggles to align with its base due to an elite donor class and establishment figures like Hillary Clinton, making it difficult for progressive candidates to succeed.

      Despite the increasing partisanship among people, they have less affection for political parties as institutions, which are historically weak. This raises questions about the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton. The Democratic Party has an elite donor class that doesn't align with the base, and Hillary Clinton, though she has tried to rebuild the party, is seen as more establishment and less aligned with the economic and racial justice that many liberals advocate for. However, the lack of a significant liberal base within the Democratic Party means that progressive candidates keep losing in primaries. The underlying dynamics are significant, but it's unclear if they account for 25% or 75% of the issue. Hillary Clinton's unpopularity and baggage as a candidate, particularly among young voters, are specific to her, but they are also tied to her image as a creature of the system during a time of crisis and a need for change.

    • The 2016 presidential race was more about personal connection than political ideologiesHillary Clinton's lack of charisma and inability to excite voters made her campaign an uphill battle, despite her strong resume and bipartisan relationships.

      The 2016 presidential race was not just about political ideologies or generational issues, but also about the candidates' ability to connect with voters on a personal level. Hillary Clinton, despite being a seasoned politician with a strong resume, faced criticism for being uninspiring and uncharismatic compared to her opponents. Her campaign was marked by a sense of dutifulness and a lack of excitement among some supporters. Clinton herself believed that she was popular when she governed but unpopular during campaigns. Whether this was a self-serving rationalization or not, her inability to project excitement and drama in a presidential race made her campaign an uphill battle. Despite her hard work and bipartisan relationships, the acrimony of the campaign would not simply disappear if she won the election.

    • 2016 Election: Uncertainty for Both PartiesThe 2016 election left both major parties questioning their future leadership, revealing deep divisions within the American people and the significance of identity politics.

      The outcome of the 2016 presidential election has left both major parties questioning their future leadership. Hillary Clinton, the second most unpopular nominee in American history, cannot expect to be forgotten about her unpopularity once she takes office. The Democratic Party, in particular, lacks a strong bench of politicians, with Elizabeth Warren being almost as old as Clinton. The Republican Party also faces uncertainty, as they consider whether to look to the same group of governors and senators for their next nominee or if they will seek out new faces. The election has also revealed that identity politics play a significant role in elections, and it remains to be seen if this trend will continue or if it was just a blip in American politics. Overall, the 2016 election has exposed deep divisions within the American people and raised questions about the direction of the country.

    • Election's profound impact on American society and politicsThe 2016 presidential election revealed vulnerabilities in the democratic system, with potential implications for society and politics depending on turnout and margin of victory.

      The 2016 presidential election has exposed significant vulnerabilities in the American democratic system. The speaker, who has covered elections before, expresses surprise at the severity of the social trauma and the lack of safeguards against extreme candidates. They note that turnout and the margin of victory could be key indicators of the public's response to this unprecedented situation. While some may see a close race as a warning sign for both parties, others might view a landslide win as a necessary statement. Regardless, the election's outcome will likely have profound implications for American society and politics.

    • Understanding the complexities of the 2016 U.S. presidential electionMany people have reservations about both Trump and Clinton, highlighting the election's closeness. Insights from novels like Elena Ferrante's Neapolitan series offer perspectives on traditional vs. cosmopolitan living and potential for tribalism and violence.

      The 2016 U.S. presidential election is a close race due in part to the fact that many people who dislike Donald Trump still have reservations about voting for Hillary Clinton. This dynamic is influenced by the large number of Republicans, conservatives, and leaning independents who would prefer to vote for Trump if given a valid reason. Additionally, author and Atlantic senior political correspondent Molly Ball shared her thoughts on the relevance of books, particularly the Neapolitan novels by Elena Ferrante, in understanding the current political climate. The novels, she explained, offer insights into the divide between traditional and cosmopolitan ways of living and the potential for tribalism and violence in traditional existence. While she couldn't recall any specific political books that have influenced her thinking on the election, she encouraged listeners to explore works that delve into these themes. Overall, the conversation underscored the complexities of the election and the importance of considering diverse perspectives in understanding the current political landscape.

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