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    'The end of politics': How to make sense of the new Trump campaign

    enJune 18, 2024

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    • Tony Soprano's relationship with his fatherTony Soprano's complex character, including his panic attacks and therapy sessions, is shaped by his disturbing relationship with his violent father, which is portrayed as unromanticized thuggery with negative consequences.

      "The Sopranos," a groundbreaking American drama, introduces its lead character, Tony Soprano, slowly, withholding backstory until several episodes in. These delayed flashbacks reveal Tony's idolized yet disturbing relationship with his violent father, which contributes to his complex character, including his panic attacks and therapy sessions. The show's depiction of violence, though a common trope in gangster themes, is far from romanticized. Instead, it's portrayed as unprincipled, unromantic thuggery that negatively impacts characters, including Tony, who is ultimately doomed by his past. Similarly, the current political climate may seem revolutionary, but it's a dangerous shift away from politics and towards force, causing fear and uncertainty for those involved.

    • Political IntimidationPolitical figures and their supporters are promising violence and physical threats to eliminate opposition and alternative sources of authority, signaling a departure from normal political competition and a focus on power through force and intimidation.

      The rhetoric from some political figures and their supporters has shifted from political competition to threats and menace towards their opponents. This is not just about winning an election or political disagreements, but rather a promise of violence and physical threat. The goal seems to be to eliminate opposition and alternative sources of authority, such as law enforcement, journalists, and opposition politicians. This is not a call for normal political competition, but rather a call for power through force and intimidation. The next six months are expected to be intense, with a focus on retribution and eliminating those who oppose their leader. This is a departure from the normal political process, where fair competition and concession after a loss are expected. Instead, the goal appears to be to take power once and for all and silence any opposition.

    • Political attacks on public health officialsDuring the Trump era, public health officials like Dr. Fauci faced unprecedented levels of hate, threats, and even calls for execution due to their expertise and authority, which was toxic for those who reject established knowledge and seek to undermine the American system of government.

      During the Trump era, serving as a public health official, especially someone like Dr. Anthony Fauci who is an esteemed expert in infectious diseases, was met with unprecedented levels of hate and threats. This wasn't just from the general public, but also from political leaders and their supporters. The reasons for the hatred varied, from homophobic and racist comments during the HIV/AIDS and Ebola eras, to accusations of favoring certain groups during crises, to outright lies and calls for prosecution during the COVID-19 pandemic. Despite Fauci's retirement, these attacks continue, as he represents expertise and authority, which is toxic for those who reject established knowledge and seek to undermine the American system of government. The threats against Fauci have even included calls for his execution, showing the dangerous and extreme nature of the political climate during the Trump era.

    • Politics and Public HealthPolitical ideology can hinder effective public health measures and lead to dangerous misinformation, as seen during the COVID-19 pandemic when a president's lack of understanding of science led to confusing messages and opposition to public health experts like Dr. Fauci.

      The COVID-19 pandemic brought unprecedented challenges for public health officials, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, who faced opposition and misinformation from the highest levels of government. Dr. Fauci's memoir, "On Call," details his experience dealing with a president who did not fully understand the science behind the virus and the importance of public health measures. This led to confusing and dangerous messages being sent to the public, such as the suggestion to use disinfectants as a treatment for COVID-19. Despite these challenges, Dr. Fauci remained committed to serving the public and ensuring accurate information was disseminated. However, even after leaving government service, he continues to face opposition from those who reject public health expertise in favor of political ideology. This dangerous trend not only threatens public health but also undermines the very foundation of our democratic system.

    • Criticism and public discourseDuring the AIDS crisis, activists used aggressive tactics for change, but in the COVID era, criticism has become more personal and vitriolic, requiring open-mindedness and factually grounded information in public discourse.

      The nature of criticism and public discourse has changed significantly over the years. During the AIDS crisis, activists used aggressive tactics to bring attention to the issue and push for change, which Dr. Fauci acknowledges was "good trouble." However, in the current COVID era, criticism has become more personal and vitriolic, with some going as far as making baseless accusations and even threatening harm. Dr. Fauci emphasizes the importance of keeping an open mind and listening to criticism, especially when it is substantively warranted. He also highlights the challenges of navigating the fragmented information environment and the importance of factually grounded information in the public discourse. In response to accusations made against him, such as creating the COVID vaccine or covering up its origin, Dr. Fauci maintains that the evidence strongly suggests a natural occurrence, but he keeps an open mind to other possibilities. He also clarifies that any NIH funding of research in China was for studies unrelated to SARS-CoV-2 and could not have led to the creation of the pandemic virus.

    • Trump-Fauci Phone CallDespite record-breaking infection numbers during the 2020 presidential election, President Trump expressed optimism and disregarded Fauci's concerns about the severity of COVID-19. This missed opportunity to promote vaccines and prevent further deaths weighed heavily on Fauci.

      During the 2020 presidential election, Doctor Anthony Fauci, who had been leading the country's response to the COVID-19 pandemic, had a phone call with President Trump where the president expressed optimism about the virus situation despite record-breaking infection numbers. Fauci found the conversation unnerving as Trump seemed to be talking past him and expressed a desire for the virus to disappear like the flu. Trump also expressed frustration with Fauci's advice to be truthful with the public about the virus's severity and his insistence on promoting unproven treatments like hydroxychloroquine. The missed opportunity to promote vaccines and prevent further deaths weighed heavily on Fauci. The rapid development and deployment of the COVID-19 vaccine in the United States, according to Fauci, could have prevented millions of deaths globally and hundreds of thousands in the U.S. alone.

    • Science DenialismDenial of scientific facts, like HIV causing AIDS or vaccine effectiveness, can lead to preventable deaths and suffering, and it's crucial to be informed and considerate of potential risks and benefits.

      The denial of scientific facts, such as HIV causing AIDS in the past and the effectiveness and safety of vaccines today, can lead to preventable deaths and suffering. Dr. Anthony Fauci, a renowned public health figure, shared his personal experiences with the devastating consequences of AIDS denialism and warned of the parallels in the current COVID-19 context. Fauci emphasized that the lives lost due to vaccine hesitancy or denial are avoidable and regrettable, regardless of political beliefs. His work on HIV/AIDS alone is estimated to have saved 25 million lives, making his contributions to public health immeasurable. It's crucial for individuals to be informed, factual, and considerate of the potential risks and benefits when making decisions that impact their health and the health of others.

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