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    Trump's threats and bluster fail to intimidate Americans who see guilty verdict as reasonable

    enJune 04, 2024

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    • Maddow's podcast UltraSeason 2 of Maddow's podcast Ultra is now available, with 8 episodes, and can be listened to for free or with a $2.99/month subscription for early access and no ads. Previous season contains an episode about Republicans trying to cast electoral votes for Trump in Michigan during the 2020 election.

      Host Rachel Maddow is excited to announce the release of season 2 of her podcast "Ultra," which is now available on podcast apps. The new season, consisting of eight episodes, is a little scary and funny, and listeners can follow the show for free or pay $2.99 a month for MSNBC premium to get early access and no ads. Additionally, Maddow shared a past event worth mentioning: during the 2020 election, there was an attempt by Republicans in Michigan to enter the state capitol and cast electoral votes for Trump, despite him losing the state. This incident, which was previously discussed on the show, is now available in season 1 of "Ultra."

    • Michigan Fake ElectorsIndividuals attempting to influence the electoral college process in Michigan as fake electors have been criminally indicted for conspiracy and election law forgery. Trump and Giuliani are unindicted coconspirators in the case, and the investigation is ongoing, potentially leading to new federal indictments or additional charges.

      During the 2020 election controversy, a group of individuals attempted to enter the Michigan state capitol to influence the electoral college process. They were stopped by law enforcement due to not having proper business or electoral college status. These individuals, known as fake electors, have since been criminally indicted for conspiracy to commit forgery and election law forgery. Michigan State Police Captain testified in court last week that he had been in touch with federal prosecutors and the FBI regarding the investigation. Trump and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, were named as unindicted coconspirators in the Michigan case. While Trump is already facing federal criminal charges related to the election, the ongoing interviews by federal prosecutors and the FBI suggest that the investigation into the Michigan fake electors case may not be over yet, potentially leading to new federal indictments or additional charges.

    • Trump legal proceedingsDespite recent convictions, Trump's legal battles are far from over with ongoing investigations in Michigan and potential federal charges, impacting figures like Stormy Daniels and the government's accountability.

      The legal proceedings involving former President Trump are far from over, despite recent convictions. The ongoing investigations in Michigan and potential federal charges suggest a lengthy legal battle. Stormy Daniels, a key figure in the case, expressed her emotional relief from the verdict but acknowledged that the aftermath would continue to impact her life. The legal system's role in holding individuals accountable for attempting to overthrow the government is crucial, especially given the Republican Party's stance on delegitimizing it. The future implications for those involved in the cases, including Daniels, could be significant, and the public should anticipate ongoing developments.

    • Trump IntimidationTrump's criticism and lies encourage intimidation and threats towards witnesses, prosecutors, judges, and their families, making the legal system unworkable for Trump cases.

      The legal system faces ongoing intimidation and threats when dealing with cases involving Donald Trump. Michael Cohen, a key witness in a Trump criminal trial, has experienced doxxing and violent threats, and this trend extends to prosecutors, judges, and their families. Trump encourages this behavior through his criticism and lies, and his supporters have targeted individuals involved in legal proceedings against him, even going as far as sharing personal information and urging violence. The fear of retaliation and danger is designed to make the legal system unworkable when it comes to Trump cases. Trump himself has made threats about potential imprisonment, implying that the public wouldn't accept it, and has suggested that there would be significant unrest if he were indicted. These threats and intimidation tactics aim to instill fear and prevent individuals from participating in the legal system when Trump is involved.

    • Intimidation and Threats against Legal SystemDespite Trump's threats, most Americans support rule of law. However, his supporters' intimidation and threats towards those involved in the legal process undermine trust and create a dangerous environment.

      Despite former President Trump's threats of mass violence and civil unrest if he faces legal consequences, the majority of Americans believe in the rule of law and the verdicts in his cases. However, his supporters are targeting individuals involved in the legal process with intimidation and threats. The Republican Party, at the highest and state levels, is undermining public trust in the legal system and rewarding those involved in criminal election subversion. This creates a dangerous environment where a small number of people are bearing the brunt of the intimidation and harassment. It's crucial to recognize that this is not a civil war or widespread rioting, but rather a targeted campaign of terroristic threats and actions.

    • Defending targeted individualsStand up for those being targeted by intimidation tactics, defend and protect them, and recognize the system's strength to handle potential backlash. Continue investigations into criminal activities and trust in transparency and accountability.

      Despite threats of riots and intimidation tactics from the pro-Trump movement, it's essential to stand up for those being targeted and not cower in fear. The small number of people being attacked are intended to make all of us afraid and change our behavior. It's crucial to vociferously defend and protect these individuals, as well as recognize that our system is strong enough to handle any potential backlash. The legal system should not be feared, and investigations into criminal activities should continue unhindered. The events of the 2016 Democratic National Convention, where the chair resigned due to email leaks, serve as a reminder of the importance of transparency and trust in political parties.

    • Russian election interference in DNCExperts warn Russia may attempt to interfere in the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Chicago, exploiting existing political divisions and chaos to cause confusion and support their preferred candidates, following their successful efforts in 2016 and current European elections.

      Experts believe Russia will attempt to interfere in the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Chicago, following their successful efforts in the 2016 election. Russian intelligence services have a history of exploiting existing political divisions to cause chaos and support their preferred candidates. This year, Europe is experiencing a surge in Russian election interference, including the use of deep fake videos and propaganda. With the Democratic National Convention coming to Chicago, where there are anticipated protests and permitting battles, the experts warn that Russia may see this as an opportunity to meddle in the election once again. Democratic officials and convention planners are reportedly preparing for potential interference, but the experts suggest that the ground is already set for Russia to engage in their tried-and-true tactics.

    • Fake electors scheme in MichiganAn ongoing investigation at both state and federal levels is examining whether 16 individuals knowingly submitted falsified certificates to claim Trump won Michigan's electoral votes, with the focus on proving their intent to defraud the public.

      The investigation into the fake electors scheme in Michigan, which saw 16 individuals indicted for allegedly submitting falsified certificates claiming Donald Trump won the state's electoral votes, is ongoing both at the state and federal levels. The key element of the case is proving the intent to defraud the public, with questions surrounding whether the individuals knew the true purpose of the document or were deceived into signing it. The Michigan Attorney General's office is still pursuing outstanding subpoenas and search warrants, and there's an active federal investigation into the matter, which includes interviewing Michigan law enforcement. The investigation implicates not just the 16 indicted individuals but also potentially others, including former President Trump and his top lawyer.

    • Michigan police captain's interviewA Michigan police captain's interview with FBI about fake electoral votes adds to the ongoing threats and intimidation towards individuals involved in the legal process, highlighting the divisive political climate.

      The revelation of a Michigan police captain's unexpected interview with FBI personnel about fake electoral votes brought to the Michigan capital in December 2020 surprised everyone in the courtroom, including the judge. The interview focused solely on the electors and did not involve specific individuals. This development adds to the ongoing threats and intimidation towards individuals involved in the legal process following the conviction of former President Trump on 34 felony counts. In the conservative media, there are calls for retribution and aggressively going after the president and his family, with some suggesting arresting Democrats and even separating them from the United States. These reactions highlight the divisive political climate and the potential challenges facing the constitutional republic during the upcoming election.

    • Political messagingEffective messaging and persuasion are crucial in political discourse, as the opposition party's inability to use information against their opponents may lead to dire consequences

      The current political climate in the United States was discussed, with a particular focus on the opposition party's inability to effectively use information against their opponents during the ongoing election. The speaker expressed concern that if the Democrats and Liberals cannot make a compelling argument based on the opposition's character, then the situation may be more dire than anticipated. The tone of the conversation was serious and reflective, with a sense of urgency and importance. Ultimately, the conversation underscored the significance of effective messaging and persuasion in political discourse.

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