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    The New York Times’s lead Clinton reporter reflects on her coverage

    enMay 03, 2018

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    • Simplifying complex ideas and streamlining operationsMercury and Wise streamline financial workflows and international money transfers, while Amy Cosec's book emphasizes honest campaign coverage and informing the electorate.

      The art of simplifying complex ideas and streamlining business operations can lead to significant improvements. Mercury and Wise, as examples, offer solutions for managing financial workflows and international money transfers with ease and transparency. Meanwhile, Amy Cosec's book, "Chasing Hillary," sheds light on the importance of honest campaign coverage and informing the electorate. The media's role in campaigns has evolved, and it's crucial to strike a balance between informing the public and providing in-depth analysis. Campaign coverage should aim to inform voters, but the experience of reporting on a campaign can lead to a new perspective. Reporters must navigate the daily news cycle while delving into the nuances of policy and biographical details, ultimately contributing to a more informed electorate.

    • Transitioning from foreign reporting to campaign coverageExperienced journalists may develop cynicism towards campaigns, but a fresh perspective can lead to unique discoveries. Provide more than feel-good pieces and include tension for balanced coverage.

      Journalists, who have covered political campaigns for an extended period, can develop a contempt and cynicism towards the campaigns due to the repetitive nature of the speeches and the pressure to deliver scoops. This perspective is different from how the public experiences campaigns. Having a fresh perspective, as the speaker learned when transitioning from foreign reporting to campaign coverage, can lead to discovering unique stories that experienced reporters might overlook. However, to thrive in journalism, one must provide more than feel-good pieces and include elements of tension, which can come in various forms, such as investigative stories or biographical pieces. The media has a bias towards tension, which can be seen in the types of stories that make the front page. It's essential to acknowledge and understand these biases to provide balanced and informative coverage.

    • Media bias towards scandals during 2016 presidential campaignMedia disproportionately focused on Clinton's emails, overshadowing other issues, causing regret for campaign reporter and public

      During the 2016 presidential campaign, there was a significant media bias towards slow-dripping scandals, particularly the email investigation into Hillary Clinton. This bias led to an overwhelming amount of coverage on the emails, often overshadowing other important issues and stories related to the candidates. Campaign reporter, who was interviewed, acknowledged that the emails were a valid story but felt that it had become an unfair and disproportionate focus. The media's fixation on the emails resonated with the public, as shown in a Gallup survey where the word cloud for Hillary Clinton was dominated by the word "emails." The interviewee expressed regret for the media's role in making the email investigation the sole narrative of Clinton's campaign. The media's coverage of Trump's various scandals was more diverse, making the disparity in coverage even more notable. This bias towards scandals and negative stories warrants reflection from the media.

    • Navigating the complexities of the Clinton email scandalsJournalists faced challenges in reporting on the Clinton email scandals due to their complexity and the media's amplification effect on seemingly innocuous stories

      The email scandals surrounding Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign were complex and multifaceted, with various stories getting intertwined and amplified in the media. The speaker, a journalist who covered the Clinton campaign extensively, shares his experience of trying to write a sympathetic story about Hillary, only for it to be overshadowed by the email controversy. He felt that the media was often unclear on what they were covering in the email stories, and the lack of clarity gave them an amplification effect. The journalist admits that he was naive when he first started covering the Clintons and underestimated the ecosystem of Clinton coverage, which could take a seemingly innocuous story and turn it into a monster with a life of its own. The email scandals ultimately came to symbolize the entire campaign, with the Clinton campaign itself trying to control the narrative and the media struggling to keep up with the constantly evolving storyline.

    • Transparency and trust in managing sensitive infoThe Clinton email controversy highlights the importance of transparency and trust in managing sensitive info, while Wise simplifies money transfers and Shopify offers a reliable platform for business growth.

      Transparency and trust are crucial in managing public perception, especially when dealing with sensitive information. The Clinton email controversy serves as an example of how the media's ongoing narrative of secrecy and distrust towards the Clintons influenced the interpretation of their actions. Meanwhile, Wise offers a solution to simplify the process of managing money in different currencies, ensuring real-time exchange rates and no hidden fees. In the world of business, Shopify provides a platform for growth, regardless of the stage. Ultimately, being transparent and trustworthy can help mitigate negative perceptions, while efficient tools like Wise and Shopify can streamline processes and enhance user experience.

    • Hillary Clinton and Media: Complex RelationshipDuring the 2016 election, Clinton's past with media and email scandal's unprecedented context strained their relationship, with media's coverage lacking proportionality and nuance

      During the 2016 presidential election, the dynamic between Hillary Clinton and the media was complex and mutual. Clinton, who had built up significant scar tissue from her past experiences with the media and her political career, was wary of their focus on clicks and lack of interest in policy. Simultaneously, the media struggled to cover Clinton's email scandal fairly, given the unprecedented nature of Donald Trump's numerous scandals. While it's crucial to assess each candidate's scandals in their respective contexts, the media's coverage of Clinton's email scandal could have been more proportionate and nuanced. Ultimately, the strained relationship between Clinton and the media was a long-standing issue that had predated her current press corps.

    • Hillary Clinton's email controversy hindered her authenticityThe email controversy overshadowed Clinton's policy expertise and human side, creating a gap between private and public Hillary, and preventing a balanced view of her candidacy.

      The Hillary Clinton email controversy overshadowed the public's perception of her authenticity as a politician. The discussion suggests that Clinton's campaign was reluctant to give interviews due to the constant focus on the emails, which prevented the media from showcasing her policy expertise and human side. This created a gap between the private Hillary and the public Hillary, leading to conflicting perceptions. The media's fixation on the technicalities of the email issue also contributed to the oversight of Clinton's strengths and accomplishments. The frustration was mutual, as Clinton's team felt that the media failed to present a balanced view of her candidacy. Ultimately, the email controversy became a significant obstacle for Clinton's campaign, making it difficult for the public to connect with her on a deeper level.

    • Hillary Clinton's Complex Political ImageDespite being a complex figure, Hillary Clinton's image has been polarizing, shifting from a socialist feminist to a neoliberal corporatist, making her a lightning rod for controversy and allowing opponents to use her past positions against her.

      Hillary Clinton's public image has consistently been a subject of polarizing opinions, with people seeing her as either a saint or a sinner, despite her being a complex figure in between. This was evident during her 2008 presidential campaign when her relationship with the press corp allowed for a more personal and relaxed side of her to be seen, but this side was rarely communicated to voters due to her controversial reputation. Her image shifted throughout her political career, from being seen as a socialist feminist in the 90s to a neoliberal sellout corporatist later on. This ability to represent the most controversial aspects of politics in each era made her a lightning rod, and her opponents were able to use her past positions against her, even if she had quietly opposed them. Understanding the complexities of Hillary Clinton's political career and her ability to adapt to changing political climates is crucial for appreciating her impact on American politics.

    • Hillary Clinton's Perceived Tone-deafness to Major Societal IssuesClinton's academic understanding of policies and transactional approach to politics, along with her absence from domestic issues as Secretary of State, led to a perceived tone-deafness to public anger over critical issues and her failure to effectively sell her pragmatic approach to voters.

      Hillary Clinton's perspective on politics and the system often placed her on the wrong side of major societal issues during her career. Her academic understanding of policies, combined with her absence from domestic issues while serving as Secretary of State, led to a perceived tone-deafness to the public's anger over critical issues like bank bailouts, Occupy Wall Street, and healthcare reform. Despite her deep understanding of the political system and her belief in the importance of representation for various groups, her transactional approach to politics and her defense of lobbying as a necessary part of the system did not resonate with voters in the same way as more idealistic politicians. Ultimately, Clinton's failure to effectively sell her pragmatic approach to politics may have contributed to her inability to fully connect with the public and win the 2016 presidency.

    • Authentic but not resonating: Hillary Clinton's campaign styleDespite her authenticity, Clinton's policy-focused, understated campaign style didn't connect with voters or media, requiring female candidates to adapt to media preferences and traditional campaigning methods.

      Hillary Clinton's politics were authentic to her, but her candid style and approach to policy change didn't resonate with the electorate or the media in the same way as more charismatic, overpromising male candidates. Her belief in working within the system to effect change was often overshadowed by her inability to connect with voters in large rallies or through media coverage that favored more stereotypically male leadership styles. Clinton's approach, exemplified by her undercover work in Alabama to investigate school segregation, was seen as less effective in reaching people than traditional campaigning methods. The media's comfort with covering male leadership styles and the pressure to hold large rallies presented a challenge for Clinton's campaign, suggesting that female, policy-minded candidates may need to adapt their campaigning strategies to better fit the media landscape.

    • Media focus on social media overshadows other important aspects of campaign coverageMedia's obsession with social media may limit in-depth analysis and critical thinking during political campaigns, potentially overshadowing other crucial areas of reporting.

      During political campaigns, the media's focus on public communication, particularly in the form of social media, may be overshadowing other important aspects of coverage. This can lead to a cycle of chasing after every tweet or statement, potentially crowding out other crucial areas of reporting. The speaker expresses concern that this trend may be abdicating the media's responsibility to think critically and provide in-depth analysis. The media's relationship with politicians, such as Donald Trump, can be complex, with some politicians willingly engaging with media despite their criticisms. The speaker also shares her personal experiences of receiving calls from Trump during campaign coverage. Additionally, the media's coverage of certain candidates and their supporters can lead to intense backlash and abuse. Overall, it's essential for the media to strike a balance between reacting to real-time developments and providing thoughtful, nuanced reporting.

    • Journalist Sopan Deb faced sexist abuse from both Trump and Sanders supporters during 2016 campaignJournalist Sopan Deb experienced sexist abuse from a small subgroup of Bernie Sanders supporters, while media coverage of Sanders was complicated due to his ideological outsider status.

      During the 2016 presidential campaign, journalist Sopan Deb faced a relentless wave of threats and abuse, not just from supporters of Donald Trump, but also from the Bernie Sanders side. Deb mentioned that the abuse was particularly tinged with sexism, and he felt that the behavior from Sanders' supporters felt qualitatively worse. He noted that most Sanders supporters were just supporting him, but a small subgroup of "Bernie bros" engaged in abusive behavior. Deb also felt that the media was slow to take Sanders seriously and then, when he became a serious contender, failed to investigate him as rigorously as they would have other leading candidates. Deb believes that the media's coverage of Sanders was complicated because of the candidate's ideological outsider status, which led to a shifting response between dismissing him and being overly enamored.

    • Hillary Clinton's Frustration with Bernie Sanders' Lack of Clear PoliciesClinton's campaign faced internal conflicts between her loyal inner circle and the larger apparatus, leading to frustration with Sanders' unclear proposals and difficulty implementing them.

      During the 2016 Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton was frustrated with Bernie Sanders' lack of clear policy proposals and inability to explain how he would implement them. The frustration ran deeper than with Trump, whom she felt she knew what to expect. Clinton's campaign staff, a mix of long-time aides and newcomers, played a significant role in the dynamics of her campaign. While Clinton had a loyal inner circle, the larger apparatus surrounding her candidacy could dominate the scene, leading to a complex psychodrama. When writing her book, the author faced pushback, particularly from Chelsea Clinton, who disputed certain anecdotes. Despite this, the author stands by her reporting, which was fact-checked to ensure accuracy. The dynamic between reporters, candidates, and their staffs is not just about the relationship between the reporter and the candidate, but also the interactions with the larger team.

    • The historic firsts and challenges of covering Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaignHistoric firsts included the first female nominee debate and first woman on a general election debate, but Clinton's campaign faced gendered dynamics and manipulation by her inner circle.

      The 2016 presidential campaign for Hillary Clinton was marked by both historic achievements and the persistence of old challenges. Hillary Clinton's campaign saw the first female nominee of a major party, and her predominantly female press corps covered her historic milestones, such as the first female nominee debate and the first woman on a general election debate. However, Clinton's campaign was not immune to the "old boys club" and gendered dynamics that have long plagued politics. Her inner circle of advisors, or "Aides," were known to manipulate gendered insecurities to get what they wanted. The author of "Chasing Hillary," Amy Chozik, aimed to provide an honest account of covering the first woman with a real shot at the presidency, highlighting both the historic aspects and the challenges that came with it. For those interested in campaign books, Amy Chozik recommends "What It Takes" by Richard Ben Kramer, "Nixon Agonistas" by Gary Willis, and "Boys on the Bus" by Maguire and Osborne. The latter being particularly interesting for its portrayal of women in politics at the time.

    • The Importance of Collaboration and TeamworkCollaboration and teamwork lead to better outcomes and acknowledging and appreciating others' contributions is essential for successful relationships.

      We expressed our gratitude to Amy Czozik for her contribution to our discussion. We also acknowledged the continuous support of our producer, Jillian Weinberger, and Topher Ruth from Berkeley for facilitating the recording process. The conversation covered various topics, but the importance of collaboration and teamwork emerged as a common theme. We emphasized the value of working together to achieve common goals and how it leads to better outcomes. Additionally, we touched upon the importance of expressing gratitude and appreciation towards those who help us in our personal and professional journeys. Overall, the conversation highlighted the significance of teamwork and the power of acknowledging and appreciating the contributions of others.

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