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    The Real Danger Within the Democratic Party of a Fundamental Crack-Up

    enJuly 09, 2024
    What concerns are raised about Joe Biden's fitness to govern?
    How does Biden's debate performance affect his re-election chances?
    What alternatives are considered to Biden's nomination by the Democratic Party?
    Who are key figures involved in The Ezra Klein Show discussion?
    How could a Harris-led ticket impact Democratic Party unity?

    Podcast Summary

    • Biden's Fitness to GovernThe debate over Biden's fitness to govern in 2024 centers around concerns about his apparent lapses and memory issues, but the consensus is that his ability to perform presidential duties is uncertain, and aging is a potential concern. Institutionally grounded arguments against alternative paths should be considered.

      The question of Joe Biden's fitness to govern and potential re-election in 2024 is a topic of ongoing debate. While some argue that his administration's performance indicates his ability to govern, others express concerns about his apparent lapses and memory issues. The consensus is that Biden's capacity to perform the duties of the presidency is uncertain, and aging is a potential concern. Despite these concerns, some argue that the institutionally grounded arguments against alternative paths, such as an open convention, should be carefully considered. The conversation between Ezra Klein and Jamelle Bouie on The Ezra Klein Show provides valuable insights into this complex issue.

    • Biden's fitness for another termConcerns about Biden's communication skills and effectiveness as a negotiator within the Democratic Party may impact his ability to pass legislation and lead the country, but the decision to run for reelection is ultimately up to him.

      President Joe Biden's age and perceived decline in communication skills have raised questions about his ability to effectively serve another term. While Biden himself may not be concerned about his fitness for the job, there are concerns within the Democratic Party about his effectiveness as a communicator and negotiator, which could impact his ability to pass legislation and lead the country. The distinction between performing the presidency and doing the job of the presidency is worth considering, but ultimately, the decision to run for reelection is up to Biden, despite pressure from within the party. It's important to acknowledge that parties do play a role in American politics, and signals from key members and donors can influence a candidate's decision-making.

    • Biden's debate performance impactThe decision for Biden to stay or leave the Democratic ticket lies with him, as the Democratic Party no longer holds significant power to remove a nominee. A Harris-led ticket could potentially unify the party, but risks of chaos and confusion outweigh the benefits, and the party's unity or disarray could impact the November election outcome.

      The pressure on President Joe Biden to step down from the Democratic ticket due to his debate performance is significant, but ultimately, the decision rests with him. The Democratic Party no longer holds the same level of power to remove a nominee, making Biden's decision a critical factor for party unity and November election prospects. A Harris-led ticket could potentially be stronger if she can unify the party, but the risks of a chaotic convention or Biden's departure leading to confusion and disarray outweigh the benefits. The Democratic Party's perceived unity or disarray could significantly impact its chances in the November election, and the Republican message in response to any disarray should not be underestimated.

    • Transparency in political decision-makingThe call for an open convention or a more chaotic process in the Democratic Party's nomination process is seen as a way to surface valuable information about candidates' abilities to perform under pressure, potentially discovering underrated candidates and energizing voters, while also demonstrating party energy to the broader public.

      The ongoing debate around Joe Biden's presidency and the Democratic Party's nomination process highlights the importance of transparency and information in political decision-making. The critique of the Democratic Party's orderly approach in recent years has been that it denied itself valuable information about its candidates' abilities to perform under pressure. The call for an open convention or a more chaotic process is seen as a way to surface this information and potentially discover underrated candidates. The need for Democrats to not only energize their own voters but also show the broader public that there is energy within the party is emphasized. Ultimately, the theory of attention and how to effectively capture it in the political landscape is a crucial consideration for the party's success.

    • Democratic Party's strategyThe Democratic Party's current strategy of letting Trump dominate the narrative is not effective, and they need a new approach to regain attention and focus on their initiatives, policies, and vision.

      The Democratic Party's strategy of letting Donald Trump absorb the attention and repel the electorate is failing. Despite Trump's criminal cases and negative news coverage, his poll numbers have improved, while Biden has not been effective in regaining attention for his initiatives, policies, or vision. The recent debate further solidified this trend, leaving Democrats in need of a new theory of attention. The alternative theory under Joe Biden remains unclear, but it's crucial for Democrats to understand that simply standing back and letting Trump dominate the narrative is not a viable strategy. The Biden administration has faced criticism for not creating enough attention around their accomplishments, such as the IRS collecting $300 billion in taxes. The open convention could also pose risks, particularly if the outcome is perceived as illegitimate, especially if Kamala Harris is sidelined or muscled out. The legitimacy of Harris, as the voters' choice for vice president, is a significant factor in maintaining democratic legitimacy. The sudden shift in sentiment around Harris between 2020 and 2024, despite her capable performance during the campaign, is a strange phenomenon that warrants further examination. The memory-holing of Biden's past campaigns and focusing on Harris's premature exit from the primary race is an unfair assessment of her political skills.

    • Kamala Harris's Political Assets and LiabilitiesDespite rumors of disorganization and perceived lack of authenticity, Kamala Harris's political skills are not proven to be unusually bad. Her criminal justice background could be a political asset, but her race and gender may continue to be a concern for some voters.

      While Kamala Harris's political skills have been questioned based on her past campaigns and office disorganization rumors, there is no concrete evidence to label her as an unusually bad politician. The nervousness surrounding her potential presidency may stem from her perceived lack of ability to win a national election due to her race and gender, as well as her perceived lack of authenticity and fear of repeating the loss of a female Democratic candidate like Hillary Clinton. However, her criminal justice background, which has been a criticism from the left, could actually be a political asset when reaching out to moderate voters. The Democratic Party's theory of winning has shifted rapidly, and Harris was initially seen as a bridge between the rising multi-ethnic coalition and the older white voter base. However, her pick no longer holds the same significance as it once did, and the party now focuses on running moderate white candidates. Ultimately, whether Harris's political assets outweigh her perceived liabilities remains to be seen.

    • Political Landscape UnpredictabilityThe political landscape's unpredictability highlights the importance of fairness and unity during the nomination process, as demonstrated by Joe Biden's unlikely win and the suggestion of a 'mini primary' process.

      The political landscape is unpredictable, and it's important to take seriously the possibility of unexpected outcomes. For instance, Kamala Harris' gender and race may not be insurmountable obstacles for her presidency, as demonstrated by Joe Biden's unlikely win. Jim Clyburn, a Democratic Party leader, suggests a "mini primary" process to determine the nominee fairly, giving all potential contenders a chance to show their strengths. This approach could help mitigate discontent within the party and ensure a more unified front. However, there are potential risks, such as the possibility of a less skilled candidate being chosen over a more qualified one, which could exacerbate existing tensions. Ultimately, the key is to prioritize fairness and unity while acknowledging the complexity and unpredictability of politics.

    • Democratic Party divisionsThe Democratic Party's ongoing primary race and potential open convention hold risks of deepening divisions and a fundamental crack-up, with discontent from various factions and a lack of clear solutions echoing historical events.

      The current political situation within the Democratic Party, particularly regarding the potential outcome of the ongoing primary race and the possibility of an open convention, holds significant risks of deepening divisions and potentially leading to a fundamental crack-up within the party. This is due to the potential for discontent from various factions, the lack of a clear solution, and the echoes of historical events such as the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. It's a complex and unprecedented situation, and the outcome is uncertain. As a historical context, I would recommend three books. The first is "Into the Bright Sunshine: Young Hubert Humphrey and the Fight for Civil Rights" by Samuel G. Friedman, which provides insight into the pivotal moments of American political history and Humphrey's role in civil rights. The second is "Wide Awake: The Forgotten Force that Elected Lincoln and Spurred the Civil War" by John Grinspan, which delves into the Republican Party's organization during the 1860 election. Lastly, "A Liberal America: A History of the Ideas That Have Shaped the United States" by Stephen H. Haber offers a wide-ranging exploration of the liberal political tradition in American life.

    • Team diversityA dedicated and diverse team is essential for producing high-quality content, with each member contributing unique skills from fact-checking and editing to engineering and music composition.

      Key takeaway from this episode of the Ezra Clangio podcast is the importance of a dedicated and diverse team in producing high-quality content. From fact-checking and editing to engineering and music composition, each team member plays a crucial role in bringing the podcast to life. The podcast's executive producer, Annie Rose Strasser, and the team express their gratitude to Sonya Herrera for her support. This episode was produced by Elias Iswith, fact-checked by Michelle Harris with Kate Sinclair and Marymarch Locker. The senior engineer was Jeff Gell, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. The senior editor was Claire Gordon, and the production team included Annie Galvin, Roland Hu, and Kristen Lin. The podcast features original music by Isaac Jones, Audien's strategy by Christina Samuluski, and Shannon Busta.

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