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    The Rwanda bill will create a legacy of suffering - an interview with a former asylum seeker

    enApril 29, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • A Child Refugee's Journey: Escaping the Taliban and Finding New OpportunitiesEmpathize with refugees' struggles and recognize the potential of untapped talent on LinkedIn.

      The world is facing a historic crisis with over 100 million people displaced due to war, violence, persecution, and human rights abuses. For many, leaving their homes is not a choice but a matter of survival. Arman Azadi, author of "Across Mountains, Land, and Sea," shares his personal journey as a child refugee fleeing the Taliban in Afghanistan. His story highlights the challenges and obstacles refugees face in building a new life in an unknown country. Meanwhile, in the business world, LinkedIn offers access to professionals who might not be actively looking for a job but could be great candidates for the right role. Companies that overlook LinkedIn may miss out on top talent. In Arman's case, he became aware that he needed to leave Afghanistan around 20 years ago when the sounds of machine guns and fear of conflict became a routine part of his childhood. It wasn't until he reached Turkey that he realized he wouldn't be returning to Afghanistan. These stories remind us of the importance of empathy, understanding, and inclusivity in both personal and professional contexts.

    • A child refugee's uncertain and dangerous journeyA child refugee's journey is filled with uncertainty, danger, and loss, including detainment, deportation threats, and perilous sea crossings.

      The journey of a child refugee is filled with uncertainty, danger, and loss. Arman, a refugee from an unspecified background, began his journey when he was just 12 years old. Traveling through various countries like Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Greece, Italy, and France, he encountered numerous challenges and lost contact with the people he was traveling with. During his travels, Arman and his companions were detained and faced the threat of deportation, which forced them to flee and continue their journey. One particularly harrowing experience occurred when they attempted to cross the sea from Turkey to Greece using an inflatable dinghy during a violent storm. The boys became disoriented and lost hope, but after about 20 hours at sea, they finally reached land. The journey of a refugee is marked by constant uncertainty, danger, and loss, and the experience can be both physically and emotionally taxing.

    • Language and cultural barriers during adolescence can lead to isolation and distressArman's resilience and determination led him to overcome language and cultural barriers during adolescence, excel in education, and dedicate his career to helping refugees and asylum seekers, highlighting the importance of empathy and understanding in overcoming adversity.

      Language and cultural barriers can lead to isolating and distressing experiences, especially during formative years like adolescence. Arman's story, shared during the Burrow Memorial Day Sale podcast, illustrates this point. At the age of 14, Arman moved from Afghanistan to the UK and started school during the week of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Not speaking English or understanding the global events, he faced bullying and isolation. However, Arman's resilience and determination led him to quickly learn the language and adapt to the culture. He went on to excel in his education, earn a master's degree, and dedicate his career to helping refugees and asylum seekers. Arman's experiences highlight the importance of empathy and understanding when encountering individuals from different backgrounds. Despite the challenges, Arman's work with displaced people brought him a sense of reward and fulfillment. Mental health, a significant theme in Arman's book, is an essential aspect of this process. In summary, Arman's story underscores the power of language, culture, and empathy in overcoming adversity and making a difference in the world.

    • Refugee's Perspective on Mental Health Challenges and Support for Refugees and Asylum SeekersOne in five refugees and asylum seekers deal with mental health issues, highlighting the need for more support. Arman, a refugee, emphasizes compassion, understanding, and effective solutions to address their complex needs, criticizing the UK's proposed Rwanda bill as embarrassing and unlikely to solve the problem.

      Arman, a refugee who came to the UK from Afghanistan, has seen firsthand the mental health challenges faced by refugees and asylum seekers, with 1 in 5 dealing with mental health issues. He believes there is a need for more support in the UK, but recognizes the complexity of the issue due to resource constraints and cultural stigmas. Arman also draws parallels between the UK's current policies and Australia's hostile environment towards refugees, which he experienced firsthand while working there. He criticizes the rhetoric and approach to addressing the issue, which he sees as similar to the UK's proposed Rwanda solution. Arman believes that the UK government's Rwanda bill, which has recently been passed, is embarrassing and unlikely to solve the problem, as people have no choice but to seek asylum. Overall, Arman emphasizes the importance of compassion and understanding towards refugees and asylum seekers, and the need for effective and humane solutions to address their complex needs.

    • Sending asylum seekers to other countries harms them and the UK's international standingInstead of focusing solely on border control, address root causes of displacement through peaceful solutions and ethical foreign policies.

      The current approach of sending asylum seekers to countries like Rwanda not only inflicts immense suffering on vulnerable individuals but also harms the international standing of countries like the United Kingdom. Instead of focusing solely on border control, there is a need to address the root causes of displacement through peaceful solutions and ethical foreign policies. As Warsan Shire's poem highlights, no one leaves their homes willingly. Governments have a role to play in preventing wars and reducing the need for people to flee. By supplying weapons that fuel conflicts and creating legal barriers for asylum seekers, governments contribute to the problem rather than offering a solution. To truly make a difference, it's essential to adopt a more compassionate and holistic approach that considers the bigger picture and the well-being of all of humanity.

    • Preventing displacement through peace and stabilityFocusing on peace, justice, and human rights in conflict areas can prevent further displacement and conflict, allowing people to live in dignity and stability.

      Wars and instability in various parts of the world force people to flee their homes, leading to displacement and a lack of dignity and stability in their lives. It is crucial that the international community focuses on promoting peace, justice, and human rights in these areas to prevent further displacement and conflict. This was highlighted during the recent crisis in Afghanistan, where many people were forced to leave their homes due to the chaos and lack of safety. This issue is not limited to areas outside of Europe, as seen in the aftermath of World War II, when the UN Convention was created to help European refugees. To address this, we must focus on resolving conflicts and upholding human rights, rather than creating more wars that could lead to even more displacement. It's important to remember that people want to live in peace and stability, close to their families and friends, and have the opportunity to live dignified lives.

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