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    The Two Most Important Questions in Investing

    enJune 29, 2024

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    • ValuationFocus on the intrinsic value of a company, not just its stock price, and consider building financial models to estimate future cash flows while maintaining a margin of safety

      While the stock price may give an indication of what others are willing to pay for a company, it doesn't provide insight into the underlying business or its true value. Jim Gillies, a valuation expert, emphasizes the importance of asking two questions - what is it worth and why? - when considering an investment. The stock price is just one aspect of the equation and can be influenced by various factors, including market conditions and investor sentiment. Building financial models to estimate future cash flows and valuations can be helpful, but it's essential to remember that every model is inherently imperfect. Instead, focusing on a margin of safety, or buying stocks at a price below their estimated intrinsic value, can help protect against potential overpaying. Ultimately, a thoughtful and patient approach to valuation is crucial for investors, whether they are retail or institutional.

    • Key Metrics and Margin of SafetyIndividual investors can successfully navigate the stock market by focusing on key metrics like a company's free cash flow margin and applying the concept of margin of safety in their valuation process. This long-term approach allows for accurate estimates and minimizes potential errors.

      Individual investors can successfully navigate the stock market by focusing on key metrics like a company's free cash flow margin and applying the concept of margin of safety in their valuation process. While Wall Street analysts may have access to more resources and data, individual investors have the advantage of a long-term perspective and the ability to hold stocks for an extended period. By forecasting growth and applying a conservative free cash flow margin, investors can make accurate estimates and minimize potential errors. Additionally, the margin of safety provides a buffer for unexpected underperformance or outperformance. While larger, well-established companies may receive more scrutiny, smaller cap companies may offer greater opportunities for individual investors. Ultimately, success in the stock market comes down to a disciplined and patient approach.

    • Small cap investing advantagesUnderstanding a company's cash generation abilities and commitment to returning cash to shareholders can lead to profitable investments in small cap stocks, even during a bear market

      In the world of small cap investing, there can be advantages due to the limitations of larger funds. In late 2018, Apple, the largest company by market cap, was trading at a relatively low valuation despite being a premier cash generating story and a religious returner of cash to shareholders. The negative sentiment towards Apple, which was not an unknown stock, created an opportunity for investors. Apple's focus on returning cash to investors through dividends and large stock buybacks, which accounted for about 40% of their shares repurchased over the last decade, significantly increased the stock price. This example demonstrates that a simple understanding of a company's cash generation abilities and their commitment to returning cash to shareholders can lead to profitable investments, even in a bear market.

    • Price-to-Sales RatioPrice-to-Sales Ratio can be misleading and should be used with caution, especially when a company's earnings or cash flow are negative. A company's valuation should be evaluated in the context of its financial health and growth prospects.

      While price-to-sales multiple can be useful in certain situations, such as identifying extreme valuations or following a trend, it should be used with caution. The speaker expressed his dislike for this metric due to its potential to mislead investors, especially when a company's earnings or cash flow are negative. He used the example of Nortel Networks, which saw its stock price skyrocket during the tech bubble despite negative earnings and accounting losses. The multiple expanded significantly due to the market's enthusiasm and the company's own acquisitions, leading to a massive increase in stock price. However, the company ultimately failed to sustain its growth and returned almost no value to investors. The speaker emphasized that a company's valuation should be evaluated in the context of its financial health and growth prospects, not just its sales figures.

    • Price-to-Sales ratio vs P/E ratioPrice-to-Sales ratio can provide valuable insights as it considers revenue and does not require earnings, but it does not provide information about costs and expenses. Use multiple valuation metrics consistently and consider a company's cash flow utilization.

      While price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio is a commonly used valuation metric, it has its limitations. The speaker argues that price-to-sales ratio can provide valuable insights as it considers revenue and does not require earnings, which can be manipulated. However, it does not provide information about costs and expenses. The speaker suggests using multiple valuation metrics and being consistent in their application. They also caution against the use of adjusted numbers and emphasize the importance of considering what a company does with its free cash flow. The example of Windpack illustrates the potential issue of piling up cash on the balance sheet without utilizing it effectively, while MedPace Holdings demonstrates the value of retaining cash for reinvestment in the business. Overall, the speaker advocates for a holistic approach to valuation and encourages investors to consider multiple metrics and a company's cash flow utilization.

    • Company ValuationMarket perception of a company's future growth prospects significantly impacts its valuation, as demonstrated by Medpace Holdings' stock buyback and Academy Sports and Outdoors' lower valuation despite growth potential.

      During late 2020 and early 2021, Medpace Holdings made a bold capital allocation move by buying back their stock and taking on debt, despite market skepticism. This move was based on their belief that their equity was undervalued. Meanwhile, Academy Sports and Outdoors, a sporting goods retailer, is currently valued less favorably by the market despite having room for expansion and a strong management team. The difference in valuation can be attributed to the market's perception of the companies' future growth prospects, with Dick's Sporting Goods being seen as more mature and Dick's having a higher price-to-free cash flow multiple. Despite Academy Sports and Outdoors' impressive five-year financial plan, the speaker is less optimistic about their future growth and has built a discounted cash flow model with slightly lower sales and free cash flow margin projections.

    • Free cash flow multiple and share buybacksIdentifying undervalued companies with a low free cash flow multiple and aggressive share buybacks can lead to significant investment returns.

      Identifying undervalued companies based on their free cash flow multiple and the use of that cash flow in the service of shareholders can lead to significant investment returns. The speaker's experience with Sprouts Farmers Market illustrates this concept, as the company's aggressive share buybacks and conservative financial management led to a significant increase in stock price. The speaker sees similar potential in Academy Sports and Outdoors, which is also using its cash flow to shrink its share count and pay a small dividend. By combining the multiple's assessment of undervaluation with the company's cash generation and shareholder-friendly actions, investors may find opportunities for long-term gains.

    • Perspectives in Investment DecisionsConsider multiple perspectives before making investment decisions as people may have personal interests and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations. Do thorough research and consider various viewpoints.

      Importance of considering multiple perspectives when making investment decisions. Jim Gillies provided valuable insights into the tech industry and shared his thoughts on specific companies. However, it's crucial to remember that people on the program may have personal interests in the stocks they talk about, and The Motley Fool may have formal recommendations for or against certain stocks. Therefore, it's essential not to base any buying or selling decisions solely on the information presented on the program. Instead, it's important to do thorough research and consider various viewpoints before making an investment. Thanks for tuning in, and we look forward to bringing you more insightful discussions tomorrow.

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