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    Theda Skocpol on how political scientists think differently about politics

    enMarch 01, 2016

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    • Managing Money Across Borders vs Understanding PoliticsWise simplifies international money transfers while political science provides insights into political phenomena, both prioritizing evidence and user-friendly solutions.

      Wise is a financial service that enables users to manage and send money in different currencies at the real-time mid-market exchange rate, all without hidden fees. It's a convenient solution for individuals and small businesses for international transactions and travel, eliminating the need for airport currency exchange desks and their associated fees. Political science, on the other hand, is a discipline that uses evidence-based research to understand political phenomena. Theda Skocpol, a renowned political scientist, emphasizes the importance of approaching politics with rigor and understanding the role of institutions and funding networks in shaping individual behavior and power dynamics. Wise and political science may seem unrelated, but they both value evidence and aim to simplify complex processes for their respective users. Whether it's managing money across borders or understanding the intricacies of politics, both Wise and political science offer valuable insights and solutions.

    • Understanding Political Science PerspectivesPolitical science encompasses various perspectives including historical institutionalists, opinion surveys, elections, congress procedures, and journalists. Each perspective offers unique insights into American politics.

      Political science, like following politics itself, requires a systematic and fact-based approach. This can be seen through the various camps of political scientists, each with their unique focus on different aspects of politics. While some may prioritize opinion surveys and elections, others focus on tracking congress and its procedures. Historical institutionalists, a minority group, prefer to analyze events in the context of a longer historical sequence and the role of organizations. These differing emphases can lead to unique insights into American politics. For instance, historians might examine the rhetoric and origins of social movements, while journalists focus on individual stories and political scientists on opinion polls and election outcomes. By understanding these various perspectives, we can gain a more comprehensive view of the complex world of American politics.

    • The Tea Party: A Complex Amalgamation of Grassroots and Elite EffortsThe Tea Party was a complex movement with conflicting agendas between grassroots and elite organizations, leading to internal conflicts within the Republican Party

      The Tea Party movement was not a monolithic entity but rather a complex amalgamation of top-down and bottom-up efforts. While national organizations like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks claimed to represent the grassroots populace, local tea parties emerged organically from the ground up. However, their agendas did not always align. For instance, grassroots tea partiers were primarily concerned with immigration and preserving entitlements for older whites, while elite organizations focused on issues like deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy. This disconnect led to conflicts in the Republican Party primaries, with grassroots tea partiers supporting candidates like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, while elite organizations backed more establishment figures. Despite the waning popularity of the Tea Party label in the media and opinion polls, its impact on the Republican Party remains significant.

    • Divide between Grassroots Voters and Political ElitesGrassroots voters are growing disillusioned with the Republican establishment, leading to a power shift towards insurgent candidates and far-right groups, setting the party agenda and moving it further right.

      There's a growing divide between grassroots voters and political elites, particularly within the Republican Party. This trend, which has been evident in recent years, is not a new phenomenon but has gained significant momentum. Ordinary voters are increasingly expressing their dissatisfaction with the establishment and are being courted by insurgent candidates and outside groups. A shift in resources from party committees to extra-party funders and constituency organizations on the far right has further fueled this trend, allowing the far right to set the agenda for the Republican Party and move it further to the right, sometimes even against the wishes of the majority of Republican voters. This dynamic is less pronounced in the Democratic Party, where party organizations still hold more sway. This shift in power dynamics is significant and has important implications for American politics.

    • Wise offers real-time exchange rates with no hidden fees, popular choice for global transactionsDemocratic Party maintains institutional strength due to big money donor groups, raising over $1B in 2023, strategically influencing political parties

      Wise is a currency exchange service that offers real-time mid market exchange rates with no hidden fees or markups. It's a popular choice for people sending and receiving money worldwide, with over $100 billion transferred in 2023 and half of those transactions completed in less time than listening to this ad. Meanwhile, in the political sphere, the Democratic Party has maintained institutional strength compared to the Republican Party. One reason for this could be the rise of big money donor groups, such as the Democracy Alliance and the Koch Network, which pool resources to strategically influence political parties. These groups, which include hundreds of mega wealthy Americans, have become increasingly influential in recent years, raising over $1 billion in this election cycle and directing a significant portion of that money to organizations that align with their political goals. This strategic deployment of resources has helped bolster the Democratic Party, setting it apart from the Republican Party in terms of organizational clout.

    • Understanding the Complex Role of Super PACs and Wealthy DonorsThe Koch network and similar groups function as a powerful, effective shadow party, performing crucial functions for politicians while requiring adherence to a specific agenda.

      The role of super PACs and wealthy donors in American politics is more complex than it seems. While there have been concerns about a "PAX rich people" takeover, not all donor groups are the same. Some, like the Koch network, are more strategic and long-term, focusing on policy and advocacy through organizations like Americans for Prosperity, which functions as a parallel federation to the Republican Party. This creates a powerful, effective shadow party that performs crucial functions for politicians but requires adherence to a specific agenda. Understanding this complexity is essential for grasping the true impact of money in politics.

    • The influence of organizations like Americans for Prosperity extends beyond just their election ad spendingOrganizations like Americans for Prosperity impact policy in the states through activism, op-eds, and coordination with think tanks, offering resources to candidates and exerting unprecedented leverage

      The influence of organizations like Americans for Prosperity (AFP) extends beyond just their election ad spending. AFP and other similar groups have been able to significantly impact policy in the states by engaging with conservative activists, writing op-eds, and coordinating with think tanks. These organizations have careers intertwined with the Republican Party, offering resources that candidates want, giving them unprecedented leverage to pull the party towards their agenda. The emergence of these "fat cat consortia" can be attributed to various factors, including changes in campaign finance rules and the rise of income inequality. However, it's important to note that these trends have been ongoing since the 2003-2005 period and are not solely driven by Citizens United or recent tax rule changes. The Koch brothers' role as collective goods providers for the conservative elite, through their seminars and ideological outlook, has also contributed to their strategic capacity. Overall, the rise of these organizations represents a new form of political power that is shaping American politics.

    • Media Shaping Perception of American PoliticsJournalism needs to focus more on policy implications and less on horse race politics for informed public decision making.

      While political science offers various perspectives on American politics, the media often shapes how the public perceives it. Ezra Klein, a journalist, acknowledges the improvement in journalism with the rise of explainer journalism, but expresses concern over the excessive focus on presidential horse race politics and the lack of coverage on policy outcomes and their connections to elections. For instance, tax plans and major legislation like Obamacare are often reported on based on candidate preferences rather than rigorous comparison or explanation of their implications. This leaves out important information that citizens need to make informed decisions as voters and small donors.

    • Media focus on controversies overshadows crucial aspects of the Affordable Care ActThe media's emphasis on controversies and quantifiable data overshadows the importance of in-depth reporting on significant issues, such as subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, which have real-life implications.

      During the debate over the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), the focus on the public option as a point of controversy overshadowed the importance of subsidies for the bill's implementation. The public option was constantly changing due to the uncertainty of key senators' support, while subsidies were a consistent and crucial aspect of the legislation. This shifting focus in media coverage is a concern for those seeking to keep important, unchanging issues at the forefront. Additionally, the decline of state and local journalism contributes to underreported dramas, such as the ongoing civil war within the Republican Party over Medicaid expansion. These stories have real-life implications but often go unnoticed due to the media's focus on controversies and quantifiable data. While quantification can be valuable, it's essential not to overlook the importance of qualitative, in-depth reporting on significant issues.

    • Considering diverse data and perspectives in politicsExplore various data sources and perspectives for a well-rounded understanding of political developments, and consider the long-term trends to gain a deeper insight.

      It's important to consider a diverse range of data and perspectives in understanding political developments, rather than becoming fixated on one type of data. This was a key point made during a discussion about the changing nature of American politics. The speaker expressed concern that there's a tendency to focus on the same types of data and ask the same questions repeatedly, and that there's value in gathering new kinds of data and using it in conjunction with existing data. They also emphasized the importance of considering change over time, rather than just looking at snapshots of political developments. The speaker mentioned the example of the ideological polarization in American politics, which has seen the Republicans moving further to the right while Democrats have remained relatively stable since the 1980s. They recommended reading the works of Jacob Hacker and Paul Pearson to gain a deeper understanding of American politics, particularly in relation to the loss of the American dream and the growing economic inequality.

    • Us versus them mentality in politicsThe rise of polarizing figures like Trump is driven by a coalition of anti-government sentiment, fueled by feelings of betrayal and exclusion, regardless of personal gain.

      Politics today is heavily influenced by an "us versus them" mentality, with people feeling that government primarily serves the interests of certain groups rather than the broader population. This mentality has contributed to the rise of polarizing figures like Donald Trump, who tap into these feelings of betrayal and anger by identifying perceived enemies and promising to put "us" back on top. Kathy Kramer's research on public opinion reveals that even those who benefit from government programs may still feel excluded, leading to a coalition of anti-government sentiment driven by different motivations. Trump's success lies in his ability to appeal to this coalition by promising to prioritize "us" over "them," disrupting the traditional political landscape and posing a threat to both major parties.

    • Addressing important issues in politics: work-life balance, climate change, and voting rightsYoung political scientists should focus on tackling pressing issues such as work-life balance, climate change, and voting rights to make a meaningful impact in academia and society.

      Young political scientists should focus on tackling puzzles that both the academic community and the general public care about. One such important issue is finding solutions to make work and family life balance in the modern era, particularly through a system of paid family and medical leave. Another pressing issue is addressing climate change and creating effective policies to address it with public understanding and political coalitions. Furthermore, protecting voting rights and preventing deliberate efforts to discourage certain constituencies from voting is crucial. To stay updated on the latest research in these areas, follow the Scholar Strategy Network, which now includes close to 700 professors and graduate students from over 150 American universities.

    • Transforming complex research into accessible briefsThe Scholar Strategy Network simplifies in-depth research into two-page briefs on public issues, making it easily digestible for the public.

      Theda Skocpol's Scholar Strategy Network is dedicated to making complex research accessible to the public. The organization's non-partisan mission is to transform in-depth research into easily digestible two-page briefs on various public issues. Their website, scholarstrategynetwork.org, is a valuable resource where visitors can explore scholars' profiles, access briefs on their work, and find links to underlying articles and research projects. The site also features spotlights on topics, providing a one-stop-shop for those interested in specific areas. To learn more about Skocpol and her research, simply visit her profile on the site. We'll include the link in our show notes. Skocpol's work exemplifies the power of making complex research accessible to the public, and we're grateful for her time on the show. Stay tuned for next week!

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