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    • Visa: The Unsung Financial InfrastructureVisa, founded in 1958, acts as a network connecting banks and merchants, enabling seamless global transactions, despite being worth over $300 billion and not being a bank or financial institution.

      Visa, though not a household name for its operations, is an essential and influential financial infrastructure worth over $300 billion. Founded in 1958 in Fresno, California, Visa started as a solution to simplify transactions between banks and merchants. The company, which is not a bank or financial institution, merely acts as a network connecting them. Despite being the 11th most valuable company in the world, many people cannot articulate what Visa does. The founder, Dee Hock, famously asked audiences to identify who owns, runs, and governs Visa, and most hands would go down. Visa's success lies in its ability to connect various players in the financial world, enabling seamless transactions across the globe. However, it's important to note that merchants may not share the same positive feelings towards Visa due to interchange fees. Nonetheless, understanding the value Visa creates and how it captures that value is a fascinating exploration into the history and impact of this underappreciated company.

    • Bank of America's Groundbreaking Entry into the Credit Card MarketBank of America revolutionized banking by introducing the first large-scale consumer credit card, consolidating multiple loans into one card, and making the process more efficient.

      The Bank of America's introduction of credit cards in the 1950s was groundbreaking because it was the first time a large-scale consumer bank entered the credit card market. Previously, banks were primarily corporate institutions based in New York, and it was illegal for them to operate across state lines. California, with its large population and relaxed branching restrictions, was the only place where a consumer bank like Bank of America could thrive. Bank of America's business model was unique as it focused on small, disparate consumer loans, such as mortgages, car loans, and even loans for appliances. These loans required a physical, one-on-one process at the bank branch. The idea of a credit card offered significant advantages, consolidating these loans into one card, reducing overhead fees, and making the process more efficient. The BankAmericard, launched as a pilot program in Fresno, California, was a huge success and marked the beginning of widespread credit card usage.

    • The Evolution of Credit Cards: From Checks to Modern SystemsThe historical process of transferring money in the US was inefficient and risky with checks, leading to the development of credit accounts and eventually credit cards, which allowed for tracking of purchases and settling accounts in bulk. Early credit card systems had limitations, but paved the way for the modern credit card networks.

      The historical process of transferring money in the US was complex and inefficient, with checks being the primary method but carrying significant risks and delays. Merchants and their regular customers sought solutions through credit accounts, which allowed for tracking of purchases and settling accounts in bulk at the end of the month. This eventually led to the development of branded cards, such as those used by Standard Oil in the late 1930s. However, these early credit card systems had limitations, as they were not yet interconnected and lacked the benefits of a shared credit history. This lays the foundation for the evolution of credit cards into the modern system, which began to resemble Visa and other major card networks.

    • The birth of charge card networksFrank McNamara's idea for a charge card network offering convenience, ease, and a single statement for business transactions led to the emergence of networks like Diners Club and American Express, benefiting merchants with increased business opportunities despite high fees.

      As retail networks grow in size, competition intensifies and managing the network becomes challenging for individual merchants. This led to the emergence of charge card networks like Diners Club and American Express. Frank McNamara, a New York businessman, saw the potential for a business-focused charge card network after forgetting his wallet during a dinner in Manhattan. While the popular origin story of McNamara saving face at a dinner is fabricated, the idea for a charge card network that offered convenience, ease, and a single statement for business transactions was a sound one. This network effect business model, which started with Manhattan restaurants, allowed for incentivized sharing and bundling, benefiting both merchants and consumers. Charge card networks like Diners Club expanded to include hotels, airlines, and other businesses, charging merchants a percentage of gross bills and cardholders a fee. Despite the high fees, merchants were willing to pay as the network provided increased business opportunities.

    • The high fees charged by credit card companies are due to their operational costsCredit card companies charge high fees due to the significant investments they made in building and growing their networks

      The high fees charged by credit card companies like American Express are a result of the significant operational costs involved in building and maintaining a credit card network from scratch. This was evident in the early days of the industry when companies like Diners Club faced high merchant and customer acquisition costs, as well as the expense of establishing relationships and sales channels. American Express, which started as an express mail company, was able to leverage its existing relationships and infrastructure to enter the industry and quickly gain a large customer base. Bank of America followed suit, recognizing the transformative potential of credit cards for their consumer banking business. The motivation for these companies was different, with American Express focusing on expanding its business offerings and Bank of America aiming to simplify and streamline their lending programs. The high fees charged by these companies are a reflection of the significant investments they made in building and growing their networks.

    • The BankAmericard Revolutionized BankingBankAmericard introduced the modern credit card, combining convenience and credit into one product, allowing Bank of America to increase loan volume, keep funds longer, and streamline consumer lending process.

      The introduction of BankAmericard, the first modern credit card, represented a significant shift in banking business model for Bank of America. By bundling convenience and credit into one product, Bank of America was able to streamline the consumer lending process, keep funds within their institution longer, and significantly increase loan volume. This innovation, born from the BankAmericard's ability to allow consumers to roll over their charges into loans, paved the way for the modern credit card industry. However, it also brought new challenges such as unsecured lending and high levels of fraud and delinquency. Despite these initial setbacks, Bank of America's size and reach enabled them to weather these issues and ultimately solidify their position as a leader in the credit card market. Overall, the BankAmericard revolutionized banking by combining the best of charge cards and consumer lending, and set the stage for the credit card industry as we know it today.

    • The optimism-driven growth of consumer credit in the USDuring the period from 1958 to 1990, Americans' optimism about the future led to widespread use of debt, enabling companies like Bank of America to absorb losses and innovate, paving the way for the creation of Visa.

      The heavy reliance on consumer credit in the United States, particularly during the period from 1958 to 1990, was driven by people's optimism about the future rather than necessity. This optimism, fueled by the belief that the future would be brighter than the present, led to the widespread use of debt. This mindset, combined with the strong growth of the American and global economies, enabled companies like Bank of America to absorb losses and expand their credit card programs, leading to significant innovation and growth in the industry. Bank of America's ability to absorb losses and expand its credit card program despite significant early losses set it apart from other banks at the time and paved the way for the creation of Visa. This story illustrates the importance of optimism and the willingness to take calculated risks in driving innovation and growth, particularly in the financial sector.

    • Bank of America's Franchising of BankAmericard Led to the Creation of VisaRecognizing the value of a large customer base and forming strategic partnerships can lead to significant growth and innovation.

      Bank of America's creation of the BankAmericard and subsequent franchising of it to other banks led to the formation of Visa. This was a groundbreaking business model where Bank of America leveraged its existing customer base and merchant network to offer other banks the opportunity to join their charge card network. The success of this model was due to the desirability of having access to a large customer base and the potential for increased revenue through transaction fees. However, Bank of America's assumption that other banks would willingly become "surfs" in their kingdom proved to be a miscalculation, as many banks saw the potential power and growth opportunities in the network for themselves. Within just a few years, hundreds of banks had joined the network, leading to the expansion of the cardholder base and the eventual evolution of BankAmericard into Visa. This story highlights the importance of recognizing the potential power and value of a large customer base and the potential for strategic partnerships to drive growth and innovation.

    • Expanding Beyond Own Customer Base: New Challenges for Bank of AmericaWhen expanding beyond own customer base, unique challenges arise that require clear communication and collaboration between different parties to overcome.

      When Bank of America expanded its BankAmericard system beyond its own customer base and let other banks join, they encountered new challenges that didn't exist in their closed-loop system. These challenges included the need for a network and operational services to settle transactions between different banks, which came to be known as interchange. This was a departure from the closed-loop systems used by American Express and Diners Club. When other banks approached Bank of America for help with these issues, Bank of America responded that they had not faced these problems because they controlled both sides of the transaction in their closed loop. This left the other banks frustrated and seeking solutions on their own, leading to the formation of competing credit card systems and eventually the merger of these systems into what would become Mastercard. This experience highlights the importance of considering the unique challenges that come with expanding beyond one's own customer base and the need for clear communication and collaboration between different parties to overcome these challenges.

    • Bank of America's BankAmericard revolutionized payments industry with a clear signal of acceptanceBank of America's creation of a homogeneous mark for BankAmericard simplified purchasing process for customers and provided merchants with a valuable marketing tool, leading to modern payment systems and competitive advantages.

      The creation and standardization of the BankAmericard mark by Bank of America in the 1960s revolutionized the payments industry by providing a clear signal of acceptance for customers and merchants. This homogeneous mark, which became the basis for the Visa network, was inspired by the beautiful California landscape and served as a powerful marketing tool for merchants to attract customers. Prior to this, there was no easy way for customers to know if their card would be accepted at a merchant, and transactions were handled through a decentralized system of checks and discount fees. By creating a 2-sided network with a common signal of acceptance, Bank of America gave merchants a valuable marketing program and simplified the purchasing process for customers. This simple yet effective solution laid the foundation for modern payment systems and competitive advantages.

    • Bank of America summit with franchisees in the late 1960sThe appointment of Dee Hock as committee head led to the creation of Visa, solving the chaotic and costly banking system issues surrounding credit card transactions.

      The chaotic and costly banking system surrounding credit card transactions in the late 1960s led to a summit between Bank of America and its franchisee banks. The frustration and financial losses faced by the franchisees were at a breaking point, and they demanded a solution. However, Bank of America sent only two mid-level marketing managers to the summit, who were met with anger and hostility. In an attempt to placate the frustrated banks, a committee was formed, and Dee Hock, the BankAmericard franchisee program manager from Seattle National Bank of Commerce, was appointed to it. During the lunch break, Dee proposed that instead of just reporting back grievances, the committee should examine the problems and propose a new way of operating the system. Despite the skepticism of the Bank of America representatives, this proposal eventually led to the creation of Visa, a more efficient and effective credit card system. This story highlights the importance of addressing systemic issues and the potential for innovation even in the face of seemingly insurmountable challenges.

    • Designing new solutions instead of dwelling on past grievancesInnovation and collaboration are key to overcoming challenges and creating unique, efficient solutions, even in competitive industries.

      Instead of focusing on past grievances, it's more productive to design new solutions that benefit everyone. This was demonstrated during a meeting where participants agreed to create a new system, despite skepticism about its success. This concept is particularly relevant to Crusoe, a cloud provider that transforms wasted energy into power for AI workloads. Crusoe's team had to overcome significant challenges, including self-trenching high bandwidth fiber, creating rugged infrastructure, and ensuring operations in remote locations. Their success lies in their ability to bring together experts from various fields to collaborate and create a unique, efficient solution. This mindset of innovation and collaboration, even in the face of competition, is essential for driving progress and growth.

    • Revolutionizing Global Payments with VisaDee Hock's vision of a global payments network could unlock immense value, but antitrust concerns might pose a challenge. His bold pitch to Bank of America led to the creation of Visa, revolutionizing the payments industry.

      The opportunity for creating a global payments and credit network, as Bank of America did with its BankAmericard program, could have immense value if every bank in the world were to join. This idea, as proposed by Dee Hock, could potentially unlock unimaginable value by guaranteeing transactions and settling them in electronic form around the clock. However, antitrust concerns might pose a challenge. Dee, an unconventional banker with an impressive self-taught background and a knack for persuasion, pitched this idea to Bank of America's vice chairman. His boldness, coupled with his ability to align incentives, led to the creation of Visa, which revolutionized the payments industry. This story demonstrates the potential of transcending traditional organizational structures to achieve extraordinary results.

    • Convincing Banks to Join the New OrganizationTo incentivize banks to join a new organization and prevent them from selling their rights, Dee proposed a business model based on interchange fees and non-transferable rights of participation, ensuring each bank's percentage of ownership was based on their transaction volume and entitling them to a share of profits.

      Dee was able to convince Bank of America to give up control of their valuable BankAmericard program by emphasizing the greater value it would create outside of their hands. However, the real challenge began after the deal was made. Dee needed to convince other banks to waive their exclusivity and join the new organization, National BankAmericard Inc. This required a different argument, as he was asking them to change their behavior. To incentivize participation and prevent banks from selling their rights, ownership in the new entity would be based on non-transferable rights of participation, with each bank's percentage of ownership determined by the volume of transactions they contributed. This meant that banks would effectively break even on their investment, but would be entitled to a percentage of the profits generated by the network. This business model, which was based on interchange fees, was designed to incentivize cooperation and prevent banks from leaving the network.

    • Visa's early structure fostered collaboration and trust among competitorsThe unique self-organizing body of Visa, with equal governance rights for members, facilitated cooperation and trust, leading to its dominance in the payment industry

      The early structure of Visa was a for-profit non-stock membership corporation, where ownership was tied to membership and each member had equal governance rights. This self-organizing body facilitated cooperation and trust among competing institutions to grow the payment network, with a singular set of operating and governing procedures that were infinitely modifiable by a threshold vote of all members. The success of this model is evident in the fact that every single member bank of the previous BankAmericard franchisee organization signed up for the new organization led by Dee Hock, totaling over 200 banks, without a single defection. This unique structure allowed Visa to become a dominant player in the payment industry by fostering collaboration and trust among competitors.

    • Dee Hock's Persuasive Lobbying for a Global Credit Card NetworkDee Hock's persuasive negotiations with the DOJ led to an antitrust exemption, creating a global credit card network, benefiting consumers and businesses worldwide.

      Dee Hock, the founder of Visa, successfully lobbied for an antitrust exemption from the US Department of Justice to create a global credit card network, the National BankAmericard Inc, later known as Visa. Despite concerns about collusion, the DOJ granted an exemption due to the potential benefits to consumers and businesses. This success paved the way for the inclusion of international banks, leading to a truly global payment system. The process, which began in 1968 and concluded in 1971, was marked by persuasive negotiations and even the distribution of gold cufflinks as a token of appreciation. This story demonstrates Hock's impressive leadership skills and the power of collaboration in creating significant change.

    • Visa's Universal Brand: Winning Name Contest and Co-BrandingVisa's success stemmed from allowing individual banks to co-brand their cards within the top blue band, encouraging creativity and engagement while maintaining the universality of its brand.

      Dee Hock, the founder of Visa, understood the importance of a universally accepted brand and name for his global financial organization. To achieve this, he held a contest to generate a new name and offered a $50 prize for the winning entry. The name "Visa" was chosen due to its international recognition and the fact that it is the term used for an entry pass or permit to travel. Visa made the strategic decision to allow individual banks to co-brand their cards in the top blue band, which encouraged creativity and engagement from the banks and helped to increase consumer and merchant participation on the network. This open approach allowed Visa to maintain the universality of its brand while accommodating the unique branding needs of individual banks. The result was a successful global financial network that was widely accepted and used around the world.

    • Visa's name change led to a growth spurt in the 1970sNew regulations forced banks to switch to Visa, igniting a competition among banks to join, allowing Visa to surpass Mastercard in size due to their open loop network strategy

      Visa's name change in the 1970s served as a significant growth hack, propelling them to become the dominant global payment card network. This was due to new regulations mandating all previous BankAmericards be migrated to Visa cards within a certain timeframe. Banks saw this as an opportunity to poach cardholders from competitors, leading to an arms race among banks to join the Visa system. This growth spurt allowed Visa to surpass Mastercard in terms of both member banks and active cardholders. Despite having a more distributed, open loop system, which compromised the user experience, Visa's network of networks strategy offered better scalability, enabling them to expand faster than closed loop systems like American Express. Visa's ability to sign up large banks and leverage their customer bases gave them a significant advantage, making it worth the trade-off in user experience. The eventual duality of banks being able to join multiple networks was a result of antitrust actions against Visa and Mastercard.

    • Visa's Technology Story: Unappreciated InnovationsVisa's technology infrastructure, developed alongside tech giants, enabled a global payment network. Staged rollouts and feature flagging help improve reliability.

      The socio-technical innovations of Visa created an incredible business and organizational structure, but its technology story is equally impressive and underappreciated. Visa's strategy of reliability was crucial to its success, and building reliable infrastructure is a significant challenge for most companies. Staged rollouts are an effective method to improve reliability, but not all companies have the necessary tools. Statsig, a technology company, offers a solution through feature flagging, product experimentation, and analytics, making it easier for companies to roll out features in stages and test for bugs before launching them to large user bases. Visa's technical infrastructure, developed in the Bay Area alongside tech giants like Intel, Atari, and Apple, enabled the creation of a global payment network that underpins a significant portion of global commerce. Despite its impressive socio-technical achievements, the technology story of Visa is often overlooked.

    • The early days of credit card transactions involved complex phone authorizationsThe adoption of credit cards was gradual, with complex phone authorizations making them less convenient than cash. However, the desire for faster payments and installment financing led to the evolution of technology, making credit cards a more convenient option.

      The adoption of credit cards was a gradual process, with people using them mainly for specific use cases and not as a primary means of payment until technology advancements made the process more convenient. In the early days, authorizing transactions was a complex process involving multiple phone calls between banks and merchants. The floor limit system allowed smaller transactions to be approved by cashiers, while larger ones required authorization from the issuing bank. This process, which involved people talking to each other on the phone, is now known as VisaNet. Despite the inconvenience of using credit cards in the past, the shift towards electronic payments was driven by the desire to reduce the time spent handling cash and the benefits of installment financing and convenience in certain situations. The evolution of technology played a crucial role in making credit card payments a faster and more convenient option than cash.

    • Early Competition and Collaboration for Credit Card NetworksVisa overcame antitrust issues and internal challenges to develop its own credit card network technology within nine months, securing its place in the industry.

      The early development of Visa as a credit card network was marked by competition and collaboration with other players in the industry. In 1971, Bank of America and American Express attempted to create a joint venture for an automated transaction authorization system, which could have potentially excluded Visa. However, the project was abandoned due to antitrust concerns. Unable to acquire external help, Visa decided to build the technology in-house, led by Aram Tatullian and his team. This involved creating a telecom network, installing computer systems in member banks, training staff, and building a centralized data center. Despite the challenges, the team succeeded in developing the technology within nine months, allowing Visa to establish its position as a major player in the credit card industry.

    • Automating the Back End of Payment ProcessingDeveloping an automated clearing house (Base 2) revolutionized payment processing, reducing settlement times and saving millions in labor and postage costs.

      During the early days of Visa, computer scientist Dee Hock and his team faced the challenge of efficiently settling financial transactions on their growing payment network. With authorization handled through their in-house system, they turned their attention to the back end, which involved reconciling transactions, moving money, and generating statements. However, as the network expanded, the manual paper-based settlement process became increasingly complex and time-consuming. To solve this problem, they developed an automated clearing house, named Base 2, which significantly reduced settlement times and saved millions in labor and postage costs. This innovation came at the same time as the Federal Reserve's development of their Automated Clearing House (ACH) system, demonstrating the parallel evolution of technology in the banking sector. This automation revolutionized the payment processing landscape, paving the way for the efficient commerce scale that we see today.

    • Innovations in Visa's Data Center and Point of TransactionVisa prioritized reliability and innovation, leading to the use of shared data centers and the adoption of mag stripe technology for digital transactions

      Reliability was a top priority for Visa as they built their network, and they recognized the need for a redundant data center to ensure continuity. At the time, the industry standard was to have a backup data center that only came online during a failure. However, Visa saw an opportunity to use this second data center and run it concurrently with the primary one, making them shared operations. This innovation, which coincided with data center development and settlement digitization, was a significant step towards the modern data center infrastructure we know today. Another crucial development for Visa was digitizing the point of transaction itself. To achieve this, they first needed to make cards machine-readable, which led to the adoption of mag stripe technology. Additionally, they had to create a digital point of sale terminal, a task that was beyond Visa's capabilities due to the need for mass production and distribution to merchants worldwide. These innovations, while not the first in their respective fields, showcased Visa's ingenuity and helped shape the future of digital transactions. The mag stripe technology is still widely used today, and the concept of running multiple data centers as shared operations is now industry standard.

    • Visa's Digital Transformation: From Physical to Digital PaymentsVisa transformed into a digital payments network by creating a spec, incentivizing merchants with discounted fees, and optimizing network usage through partnerships with telecom vendors, resulting in a significant reduction in fraud and the foundation for modern, instant transactions.

      Visa's transformation into a digital payments network was a game-changer in the industry. To achieve this, Visa created a spec and invited technology vendors to bid on it, leading to Verifone becoming the dominant player with a large market share. Visa incentivized merchants to use the new technology by offering discounted transaction fees for digital transactions. To build a telecommunications network amongst all merchants worldwide, Visa first worked with a big telecom vendor but later rented capacity from CompuServe, an early consumer networking service. This arrangement allowed Visa to send digital transactions during CompuServe's off-peak hours, optimizing their use of the network. The digitization of the entire transaction process led to a significant reduction in fraud, with participating banks and merchants reducing chargebacks by 82%. This digital infrastructure also enabled the modern payments world we know today, where transactions can be authorized instantly with various devices, and Visa could scale infinitely with zero marginal cost. This shift to a fully digital business model unlocked an unfathomable financial profile for Visa.

    • Visa's Olympic Sponsorship: A Game Changer in 1986Visa used the Olympics sponsorship to target American Express directly, launching a campaign that highlighted exclusivity of Amex customers and encouraged Visa usage. This strategy increased Visa's global reach and painted Mastercard with exclusivity stigma.

      Visa's association with the Olympics in 1986 marked a pivotal moment in the company's history. This global sponsorship opportunity came at a time when the point of sale in cards was digitizing, and Visa, under new global chief marketing officer John Bennett, saw it as a chance to position against American Express and eliminate the stigma around using credit cards. Visa's marketing strategy had previously focused on generating category awareness and competing against Mastercard. However, Bennett believed the path to victory was to target American Express directly. With a smaller merchant network, Visa launched a marketing campaign that highlighted the exclusivity of American Express customers and encouraged people to use their Visa cards instead. The tagline "If you go there, remember to take your Visa card because they don't take American Express" became iconic. This strategic move not only helped increase Visa's global ubiquity but also painted Mastercard with the stigma of exclusivity and high fees associated with American Express. The Olympics sponsorship further solidified Visa's position as a global brand, reaching consumers around the world.

    • Visa's Olympic Sponsorship Boosted Its Global BrandVisa's $110M Olympics investment solidified its status as a dominant global brand and helped overcome credit card stigma, while its successful IPO raised $18B during the financial crisis.

      Visa's sponsorship of the Olympics was a significant investment that helped the company overcome the stigma surrounding credit card use and establish itself as a dominant global brand. This investment totaled approximately $110,000,000 in today's dollars for the rights and media buys during one year of the Olympics. The exclusive payment provider status at the Olympics further solidified Visa's position as the preferred card for a global audience. However, the path to becoming a publicly traded company was not without challenges. In 2005, a major antitrust lawsuit against Visa and Mastercard introduced uncertainty and forced Visa to go public to mitigate potential liabilities. Visa's successful IPO in 2008, despite the financial crisis, raised $18,000,000,000 and provided crucial funds for the banks that owned the company during that turbulent time. Today, Visa is a highly profitable public company with a market cap of over half a trillion dollars, owned primarily by institutional shareholders.

    • Visa's profitable business model connecting buyers and sellersVisa's business model generates significant cash through small interchange and network fees, enabling near-instantaneous transactions globally.

      Visa's business model, which primarily revolves around connecting buyers to sellers and moving information back and forth, has proven to be incredibly profitable with minimal risk. This information network, established in the 1980s, has remained largely unchanged, allowing for near-instantaneous transactions across the globe. Visa's income comes mainly from interchange fees, which go to the issuing bank, and network fees, which amount to approximately 0.2% of each transaction. This small percentage, with very low variable costs, results in significant cash generation for Visa. It's important to note that debit transactions typically have lower fees due to regulatory reasons, as no credit is being extended in those cases. Overall, Visa's business model, which is based on a tiny data payload and minimal processing requirements, continues to thrive in the digital age.

    • Interchange system's benefits for all partiesThe interchange system in credit and debit card transactions benefits all parties through flexible fees, incentives for issuing banks, and better customers for merchants.

      The interchange system in credit and debit card transactions is a flexible and intricately connected ecosystem where value is intentionally kept in an "envelope" for various parties to benefit. Debit cards have lower interchange fees than credit cards due to the acquiring bank's additional work in processing these transactions for smaller merchants. Visa and partner banks manipulate this interchange pool to create different types of cards with varying interchange rates, which in turn incentivizes rewards for issuing banks and attracts better customers for merchants. This system, though complex, enables incentives to be spread around and keeps the consumer as an advocate for the existing system due to the rewards they receive. The system, however, is challenging to change without significant government intervention or the immense scale and power of entities like Amazon and JPMorgan Chase.

    • The Complexity of the Credit Card SystemThe credit card system offers benefits but also results in higher prices for non-users, creating a regressive system. Understanding its implications is crucial for consumers and merchants.

      The credit card system, as it exists today, is a complex ecosystem that incentivizes consumers with rewards while merchants bear the cost. The system is difficult to change due to the chicken-and-egg problem and the lack of a new paradigm or government intervention. While credit cards offer benefits such as guaranteed payment and ease of use, they also result in higher prices for those who don't use them, creating a regressive system. The system has enabled significant economic value, particularly in e-commerce, but it comes with costs and trade-offs. Ultimately, the credit card system is a system we've created and are stuck with, and it's important for both consumers and merchants to understand its implications.

    • Visa's Dominance in Global CommerceVisa processes over $14 trillion annually, has 50% net income margins, and 707 million transactions daily with minimal downtime, making it a highly profitable and efficient payment processing company.

      Visa, as a payment processing company, has seen exponential growth since the 1970s, processing over $14 trillion in volume last year with a net revenue of $29 billion. This growth is due in part to the shift towards frictionless, fast, and often credit-extending methods of payment. Visa's business model is unique in that it has virtually no marginal costs and 50% net income margins, making it one of the most profitable large-scale companies in the world. Additionally, Visa processes over 707 million transactions per day with almost no downtime, demonstrating their impressive high-throughput infrastructure. Despite the large scale of their operations, their data envelope is not particularly large compared to the importance and value of their services. Overall, Visa's dominance in the global commerce market is a testament to their ability to adapt and innovate in response to changing consumer preferences and technological advancements.

    • Complex relationship between data sharing and financial ecosystemBanks prefer to keep customer info private, while networks like Visa want to share more data for better services, resulting in a system where only necessary info is shared, with high fees for merchants

      The financial ecosystem, including Visa and banks, has a complex relationship with data sharing. While some parties, like Visa, want to send more information across the network for better services, others, like banks, prefer to keep customer information private to maintain control and strategic advantage. This dynamic is evident in the history of debit cards, which were initially resisted by banks as they saw it as encroachment into their domain. The result is a system where only necessary information is shared, and merchants paid a significant amount, estimated at $93 billion in 2021, for this service. Despite the high fees, credit card networks provide immense value to e-commerce, which has seen a surge in transaction volume in recent years.

    • Visa's Power in the Financial Industry: Interchange Fees, Interest Payments, and Value-Added ServicesVisa and Mastercard's duopoly, driven by interchange fees, interest payments, and strategic product offerings, allows them to maintain market dominance and outcompete new entrants.

      Visa and other credit card networks hold significant power in the financial industry due to their ability to generate high revenues through a combination of interchange fees, interest payments, and value-added services. Despite downward pressure on interchange fees, these networks continue to innovate and offer new high-margin products to merchants and issuers. Visa's incentives lie in increasing transactions to earn more interchange fees, while issuers focus on carrying balances to make money from interest payments. The duopoly of Visa and Mastercard, enabled by government regulations, allows them to maintain their market dominance and outcompete new entrants through operational excellence and strategic product offerings.

    • Brand differentiation and partnerships fueled Visa's growthVisa's premium image and strategic partnerships, including the Olympics, contributed to its accelerated growth due to consumer preferences and network economies.

      The brand differentiation between Visa and Mastercard played a significant role in Visa's accelerated growth in the past, positioning itself as a more premium option and partnering with high-profile events like the Olympics. Brands matter, even in commoditized markets, as consumers influence banks' decisions through their preferences. Visa and Mastercard hold the scale economies and network economies powers, with their vast reach and interconnected networks amplifying their growth. The network economies are particularly noteworthy, as the involvement of banks and other participants in the network enhances the value and complexity of the system.

    • Creating a successful five-sided network effect businessDespite lacking significant process power, switching costs, or counterpositioning, a five-sided network effect business becomes 'unbreakable' due to its massive scale and interdependence, providing value for all parties involved.

      The creation and success of a five-sided network effect business, such as the global financial infrastructure of Visa, is incredibly difficult due to the complexity and interconnectedness of the various sides involved. Despite the lack of significant process power, switching costs, or counterpositioning, these businesses are "unbreakable" once established due to their massive scale and interdependence. An example of communist capitalism at a massive scale, Visa's success lies in its ability to create value for all parties involved, with every new service or product launch benefiting both the company and its users in some way. The complexity of bringing together thousands of banks and securing their agreement to join the network makes it an unprecedented example of collaborative capitalism.

    • Two Innovation Stories in Silicon Valley: Visa and BalletVisa's financial profile is tech-driven yet overlooked in tech community. Interchange system generates high profit margins, making it hard for new players to enter. 30¢ transaction fee can be detrimental to small businesses. Visa's success tied to ecommerce and other areas of value creation.

      The relationship between the ballet and Visa showcases two remarkable innovation stories - sociotechnical and organizational capitalism - that have largely gone unnoticed, despite being based in Silicon Valley. Visa's financial profile is more tech-driven than most tech companies, yet it remains a largely unknown entity within the tech community. The interchange system, initially intended to cover costs, now generates significant profit margins, making it challenging for new players to enter the market and compete. The 30¢ transaction fee, while seemingly small, can be particularly detrimental to small businesses and low-margin retailers, who end up paying a substantial percentage of their gross margin on processing fees. Ecommerce played a crucial role in Visa's success, as it would not have taken off without credit cards. However, there are other areas of value creation where Visa and Mastercard have excelled, and understanding these stories can provide valuable insights into the power and influence of these financial institutions.

    • Impact of market power and penetration on digital payment dominanceMarket leaders Visa and PayPal face challenges from closed loop systems and real-time payment networks, while China Union Pay thrives due to infrastructure build-out and government influence.

      The dominance of companies like Visa and PayPal in digital payments is significant due to their market power and penetration in America. However, their business models are tied to the digitization of consumer payments, which is nearing its peak. The rise of closed loop systems like Alipay and Tencent's ecosystem in China, and the potential adoption of real-time payment networks, could pose threats to these companies. The build-out of infrastructure and government influence in China have also played a role in the success of China Union Pay. These factors, among others, could impact the future growth and strategy of these payment companies.

    • Traditional payment networks face competition from new real-time payment systems and digital walletsNew payment systems and digital wallets, such as Apple Pay and Google Pay, are rapidly gaining popularity and could potentially reduce Visa's market share and impact their revenue streams, as consumers shift towards using their phones as their primary payment method.

      The dominance of traditional payment networks like Visa in the financial industry is being challenged by new real-time payment systems and digital wallets, such as Apple Pay and Google Pay. The adoption of these systems has been rapid in some countries, and governments are increasingly looking to adopt them as official payment methods. This could potentially reduce Visa's market share and impact their revenue streams. Additionally, companies like Apple have the potential to bypass Visa's network altogether by creating their own closed-loop payment systems. Consumers are also shifting towards using their phones as their primary payment method, further diminishing the importance of traditional payment cards. While Visa still has a strong position in the market, these trends could potentially impact their growth and profitability in the future.

    • Visa's Strong Network Effect and Untapped Markets Drive Bull CaseVisa's network effect, digital payments dominance, and expansion into untapped markets like B2B and B2C drive consistent growth and high-margin revenue streams.

      Visa's bull case is rooted in its powerful network effect, which has been growing for over 50 years, and is nearly impossible to break due to its 5-sided nature. This network effect, coupled with the secular increase in digital payments and Visa's dominance in the market, has led to consistent low double-digit growth for the company. Additionally, Visa is exploring new opportunities beyond interchange fees, such as tokenization, which allows them to offer proprietary services and create high-margin revenue streams. Furthermore, Visa sees significant untapped potential in business-to-business (B2B) and business-to-consumer (B2C) payments, which could represent trillions of dollars in volume. The company is also expanding its reach in cross-border payments, which are highly profitable. In response to concerns about competition from tech giants like Apple and Google, Visa's bull case includes its ability to adapt and innovate, as shown by its successful transition to digital payments and its focus on high-growth areas like B2B and B2C. Overall, Visa's bull case is based on its strong foundation in network effects, its ability to adapt to changing markets, and its potential to tap into massive untapped markets.

    • Apple and Google's financial advancements pose a challenge to VisaApple and Google's financial innovations present both challenges and opportunities for Visa, with potential risks and regulations deterring Apple from becoming a bank.

      While Apple and Google pose a significant challenge to Visa with their advancements in rails and transactions, becoming a bank and taking on the associated risks and regulations may not be an easy or desirable solution for Apple. Apple's market saturation and desire to expand into new markets could lead to potential opportunities for Visa, as the company continues to innovate and adapt to the changing financial landscape. Additionally, there are existing partnerships and products, such as BankAmericard, that showcase the interconnectedness of the financial industry. As for personal recommendations, "I Think You Should Leave" is a comedy series on Netflix, and "Mistborn" by Brandon Sanderson is a highly-acclaimed fantasy novel.

    • Praising Dave Stearns' book recommendation and discussing industry insightsThe Acquired podcast praised Dave Stearns' book recommendation for its excellent world building, magical system, and political intrigue within the fantasy genre. They also highlighted the value of academic research, friendship, and collaboration in gaining industry insights.

      The book recommendation from Dave Stearns, "The Four Monks of Rathnagiri," was highly praised by the Acquired podcast hosts for its excellent world building, magical system, and political intrigue within the fantasy genre. They expressed gratitude to Dave for sharing his academic insights, as well as to friends Jason Pate, Lisa Ellis, Dimitri from Modern Treasury, and Ben Idelson for their contributions to the discussion. The hosts also encouraged listeners to check out Blinkist, Statsig, and Crusoe, and invited them to join the Acquired Slack channel for updates on future episodes. The next episode will feature an interview with Gaurav from Thrive Capital for a follow-up analysis of the payments landscape. The hosts encouraged listeners to support the podcast through merchandise purchases and interchange fees. Overall, the podcast highlighted the value of academic research, friendship, and collaboration in gaining a deeper understanding of complex industries.

    Recent Episodes from Acquired

    Microsoft

    Microsoft

    Microsoft. After nearly a decade of Acquired episodes, we are finally ready to tackle the most valuable company ever created. The company that put a computer on every desk and in every home. The company that invented the software business model. The company that so thoroughly and completely dominated every conceivable competitor that the United States government intervened and kneecapped it… yet it’s STILL the most valuable company in the world today.

    This episode tells the story of Microsoft in its heyday, the PC Era. We cover its rise from a teenage dream to the most powerful business and technology force in history — the 20-year period from 1975 to 1995 that took Bill and Paul from the Lakeside high school computer room to launching Windows 95 alongside Jay Leno and the Rolling Stones. From BASIC to DOS, Windows, Office, Intel, IBM, Xerox PARC, Apple, Steve Jobs, Steve Ballmer… it’s all here, and it’s all amazing. Tune in and enjoy… Microsoft.

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    Renaissance Technologies

    Renaissance Technologies

    Renaissance Technologies is the best performing investment firm of all time. And yet no one at RenTec would consider themselves an “investor”, at least in any traditional sense of the word. It’d rather be more accurate to call them scientists — scientists who’ve discovered a system of math, computers and artificial intelligence that has evolved into the greatest money making machine the world has ever seen. And boy does it work: RenTec’s alchemic colossus has posted annual returns in the firm’s flagship Medallion Fund of 68% gross and 40% net over the past 34 years, while never once losing money. (For those keeping track at home, $1,000 invested in Medallion in 1988 would have compounded to $46.5B today… if you’d been allowed to keep it in.) Tune in for an incredible story of the small group of rebel mathematicians who didn’t just beat the market, but in the words of author Greg Zuckerman “solved it.”

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    Hermès

    Hermès

    In luxury, there’s Hermès… and there’s everyone else. Stewarded by one French family over six generations, Hermès sells the absolute pinnacle of the French luxury dream. Loyal clients will wait years simply for the opportunity to buy one of the company’s flagship Birkin or Kelly bags. Unlike every other luxury brand, Hermès:

    • Doesn’t increase supply to meet demand (hence the waitlists)
    • Doesn’t loudly brand their products (IYKYK)
    • Doesn’t do celebrity endorsements (stars buy their bags just like everyone else)
    • Doesn’t even have a marketing department! (they barely advertise at all)

    And yet everyone knows who they are and what they represent. But, despite all their iconoclasm, this is not a company that’s stood still for six generations. Unbeknownst to most, Hermès has completely reinvented itself at least three times in its 187-year history. Including most recently (and most dramatically) by the family’s current leaders, who responded to LVMH and Bernard Arnault’s 2010 takeover attempt by pursuing a radical strategy — scaling hand craftsmanship. And in the process they turned the company from a sleepy, ~$10B family enterprise into a $200B market cap European giant. Tune in for one incredible story!

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    Novo Nordisk (Ozempic)

    Novo Nordisk (Ozempic)

    Last year Novo Nordisk, the Danish pharmaceutical company behind Ozempic and Wegovy, overtook LVMH to become Europe’s most valuable company. And the pull for Acquired to finally tackle healthcare (18% of US GDP!) became too strong for us to resist. While we didn’t know much about Novo Nordisk before diving in, our first thought was, “wow, seems like these new diabetes and obesity drugs mean serious trouble for big insulin companies.”

    And then… we realized that Novo Nordisk IS the big insulin company. And in a story befitting of Steve Jobs and Apple, they’d just disrupted themselves with the drug equivalent of an iPhone moment. Once we dug further, we quickly realized this company has it all: an incredible 100+ year history filled with Nobel Prizes, bitter personal rivalries, board room dramas, a generation-defining silicon valley innovation, lone voices persevering against all odds — and oh yeah, the world’s largest charitable foundation at its helm. Tune in for one incredible story!

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    Holiday Special 2023

    Holiday Special 2023

    Ben has some big news. Actually, double big news! On what has become a holiday tradition here at Acquired, we cozy up to the fire to do our annual review of the show “in public”. We reflect on what can only be described as an absolutely mind-blowing 2023 (LVMH! Jensen! Costco! Charlie! Half a million plus listeners!) and look ahead to some big things cooking for 2024. Plus as always, we wrap with extended carve outs (joined this year by some surprise guests) for anyone still shopping for those holiday perfect gifts.

    Huge thank you to everyone for making 2023 an amazing year again here in Acquired-land, and cheers to even greater things to come in 2023!

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    Visa

    Visa

    To paraphrase Visa founder Dee Hock, how many of you know Visa? Great, all of you. Now, how many of you know how it started? Or, for that matter, who started it? Who runs and governs it? Where is it headquartered? What’s its business model?

    For the 11th largest market cap company in the world, Visa’s history and strategy is almost shockingly unknown. A huge portion of the world’s population uses their products on a daily basis (you might say Visa is… everywhere people want to be), but very few know the amazing story behind how that came to be. Or why Visa continues to be one of the most incredible and incredibly durable business franchises of all-time. (50%+ net income margins!! On $30B of revenue!) Today we do our part to change that. Tune in for one heck of a journey.

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    Charlie Munger

    Charlie Munger

    We sit down with the legendary Charlie Munger in the only dedicated longform podcast interview that he has done in his 99 years on Earth. We’ve gotten to have some special conversations on Acquired over the years, but this one truly takes the cake. Over dinner at his Los Angeles home, Charlie reflected with us on his own career and his nearly 50-year partnership at Berkshire Hathaway with Warren Buffett. He offered lessons and advice for investors today, and of course he shared his speech on the virtues of Costco once again (among other favorite investments). We’re so glad that we got the opportunity to record and share this with you all — break out your notebooks, tune in, and enjoy the singular wit and wisdom of Charlie Munger.

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    NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang

    NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang

    We finally sit down with the man himself: Nvidia Cofounder & CEO Jensen Huang. After three parts and seven+ hours of covering the company, we thought we knew everything but — unsurprisingly — Jensen knows more. A couple teasers: we learned that the company’s initial motivation to enter the datacenter business came from perhaps not where you’d think, and the roots of Nvidia’s platform strategy stretch back beyond CUDA all the way to the origin of the company.

    We also got a peek into Jensen’s mindset and calculus behind “betting the company” multiple times, and his surprising feelings about whether he’d go on the founder journey again if he could rewind time. We can’t think of any better way to tie a bow on our Nvidia series (for now). Tune in!

    Editorial Note: We originally recorded this episode before the horrific terrorist attacks in Israel. It feels wrong to release this episode — where the nation of Israel and the Mellanox team are discussed — without sharing our profound sadness for all the families who had innocent loved ones or friends killed, injured, or taken hostage. Our hearts go out to everyone coping through this dark moment in history.

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    Nvidia Part III: The Dawn of the AI Era (2022-2023)

    Nvidia Part III: The Dawn of the AI Era (2022-2023)

    It’s a(nother) new era for Nvidia.

    We thought we’d closed the Acquired book on Nvidia back in April 2022. The story was all wrapped up: Jensen & crew had set out on an amazing journey to accelerate the world’s computing workloads. Along the way they’d discovered a wondrous opportunity (machine learning powered social media feed recommendations). They forged incredible Power in the CUDA platform, and used it to triumph over seemingly insurmountable adversity — the stock market penalty-box.

    But, it turned out that was only the precursor to an even wilder journey. Over the past 18 months Nvidia has weathered one of the steepest stock crashes in history ($500B+ market cap wiped away peak-to-trough!). And, it has of course also experienced an even more fantastical rise — becoming the platform that’s powering the emergence of perhaps a new form of intelligence itself… and in the process becoming a trillion-dollar company.

    Today we tell another chapter in the amazing Nvidia saga: the dawn of the AI era. Tune in!

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    Costco

    Costco

    Costco is not only Charlie Munger’s favorite company of all time (plus he’s on the board, natch), it’s an absolutely fascinating study in how seemingly opposite characteristics can combine to create incredible company value. For instance: Costco has the cheapest prices of any major retailer in America — and also the wealthiest customer base. They pay their hourly workers 30% above the industry norm (and give them excellent healthcare + 401k benefits) — and are almost 3x more profitable on labor than Walmart. Speaking of Walmart, Costco stocks 40x fewer SKUs than their Bentonville-based rivals — yet sells an average of 15x more volume of each. And oh yeah, practically all of Costco’s C-Suite started their careers as baggers and checkout clerks! Tune in for a mind-bending exploration of one of the world’s most iconic — and iconically unique — companies.

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    Qualcomm

    Qualcomm

    Qualcomm, or “Quality Communications” — despite being one of the largest technology companies in the world, few people know the absolutely amazing technological and business history behind it. Seriously, this story is on par with Nvidia, TSMC and all the great semiconductor giants. Without this single fabless company based in San Diego, there’s almost no chance you’d be consuming this episode on whatever device you’re currently listening on — a fact that enables them to earn an incredible estimated $20 for every new phone sold in the world. We dive into this story live at the perfect venue: our first-ever European live show at Solana’s Breakpoint conference in beautiful Lisbon, Portugal! 

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    Spotify CEO Daniel Ek

    Spotify CEO Daniel Ek

    We sit down with Spotify CEO Daniel Ek live in Stockholm at Spotify’s amazing HQ studio (check out the video version of this episode — which plays natively on Spotify!). This was an incredibly special and timely conversation: for those who haven’t been paying attention over the past few years, after revolutionizing music Spotify has now ALSO completely transformed our own industry in podcasting. Starting from way behind with ~zero market share in 2018, Spotify has now aggregated the listener market and amazingly surpassed Apple as the world’s largest podcast platform — including close to home with the Acquired audience, where it has 60%+ market share among you all!


    We discuss the origins of this “second act” strategy with Daniel, the vision to move from a music company to an audio company, and what’s coming next with Spotify’s entry into Audiobooks. And of course we relive some key moments from the Acquired canon that Daniel was involved in, including his pivotal conversations with Taylor Swift and her team convincing her to come back to streaming following the release of 1984. Tune in!

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    Stratechery (with Ben Thompson)

    Stratechery (with Ben Thompson)

    Ben Thompson joins Acquired to discuss the business of Stratechery itself and celebrate 10 years (!) of the internet’s best strategy analysis destination. Even beyond Stratechery’s enormous impact itself on business and tech over the years, Ben’s work inspired a whole generation of business content creators — this show very much included — and it was super special for us to give the Acquired treatment to one of our own heroes. We cover the full history of Ben pioneering the subscription internet media business model (indeed SubStack’s seed round pitch was “Stratechery-in-a-box”), and how + why he’s evolved the business since and is now doubling down both on podcasting and a broader vision of the Stratechery Plus bundle… including for the first time content not made by Ben himself! Tune in and enjoy. 

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    Nvidia Part I: The GPU Company (1993-2006)

    Nvidia Part I: The GPU Company (1993-2006)

    He wears signature leather jackets. He can bench press more than you. He makes cars that drive themselves. He’s cheated death — both corporate and personal — too many times to count, and he runs the 8th most valuable company in the world. Nope, he's not Elon Musk, he’s Jensen Huang — the most badass CEO in semiconductor history. Today we tell the first chapter of his and Nvidia’s incredible story. You’ll want to buckle up for this one! 

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    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi

    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi

    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi dropped by the Acquired studio for an Eats delivery, so we broke out the cameras and asked him to hang out for a wide-ranging conversation. :) We talk about his 20 years working with Barry Diller, starting his career at Allen & Company, how the Uber CEO search process ACTUALLY went down… and oh yeah, the massive transformation that’s happened at Uber over the past few years. When Dara took over the company it was bleeding huge sums of cash, losing share to competitors and embroiled in one of the biggest corporate controversies in recent memory. Fast forward to today and it’s turned cashflow positive while also having tripled revenue to over $30B (on $120B in GMV) and solidified its rideshare dominance in the US. And in perhaps the biggest change, it’s done it all while staying out of the headlines. Tune in!

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