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    W. Kamau Bell on the lessons of parenthood, Twitter, and fame

    enAugust 30, 2016

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    • Streamlining financial workflows and exploring life's complexitiesMercury simplifies business finances, while The Ezra Klein Show delves into various topics, offering insights on news bias, politics, and parenting.

      Simplicity and focus are key to achieving success, whether it's in business or creative endeavors. Mercury, a financial services company, helps businesses streamline their financial workflows to operate more efficiently. In the world of podcasts, The Ezra Klein Show features unscripted conversations with guests, including comedian Kamau Bell, where they discuss various topics, including the importance of understanding the news's negativity bias and the challenges of being a political comic in a divisive time. Kamau also shared insights on parenting and the transformation of health food into candy bars. The podcast industry offers a wealth of knowledge and entertainment, with shows like The Capital Ideas Podcast by Capital Group and The Ezra Klein Show providing valuable insights and discussions on business, politics, and life.

    • Understanding Trump Supporters' ArgumentsAcknowledge the emotional and moral underpinnings of people's arguments during times of political and social unrest, rather than trying to simplify or sanitize them.

      During times of political and social unrest, it's essential to acknowledge the complexity of people's concerns and motivations, rather than trying to simplify or sanitize them into more palatable forms. The speaker in this discussion highlights the ongoing debate about Trump supporters' arguments, particularly regarding immigration and economic anxiety. While it's clear that some Trump supporters have concerns about immigration, the speaker argues that it's crucial to understand the emotional and moral underpinnings of these arguments. Jonathan Haidt's work on political psychology offers insight into how people form arguments based on group identity and moral values, which may not always be grounded in real harms or costs. The speaker suggests that people often have feelings first and then rationalize them with arguments, rather than the other way around. The discussion also touches on the importance of acknowledging the power of emotions and feelings in shaping our arguments and beliefs, even if they may not align with a more technocratic or evidence-based perspective. Ultimately, the speaker encourages us to approach political and social issues with empathy and a willingness to understand the underlying emotions and motivations driving people's arguments.

    • The Significant Time Investment of Modern DebatesFrustration with time-wasting debates, questioning the value of engaging with certain arguments, and the importance of making informed decisions in the digital age.

      Social media has made it easier for people to engage in arguments and debates, but the time investment required for productive conversations can be significant. The speaker acknowledges the historical importance of emotional arguments, such as those related to interracial marriage and religion, but expresses frustration with the time-wasting nature of modern debates. He questions the value of engaging with certain arguments and the difficulty of determining what is worth having an opinion about. The speaker also reflects on the role of media and the impact it can have on public discourse, using the example of the Black Olives Matter controversy. Ultimately, he expresses a need to make informed decisions about where to focus energy and attention in the digital age.

    • Frustration over shallow political discourse and lack of coverage on groundbreaking developmentsThe constant focus on ephemeral events and controversies in politics and media may hinder future generations' understanding of history and the potential impact of groundbreaking technologies like CRISPR.

      The current political climate and media coverage are causing concern about the importance and depth of discussions surrounding critical issues, such as Hillary Clinton's presidency and policing in America, versus the constant coverage of ephemeral events and controversies. The speaker expresses frustration about the potential long-term consequences of this trend and the impact it may have on future generations' understanding of history. Additionally, the speaker highlights the potential significance of emerging technologies like CRISPR and gene editing, which could have a profound impact on human evolution, and questions whether such groundbreaking developments are receiving the attention they deserve in the current political and media landscape.

    • The speaker ponders the future of technology and its impact on our livesThe speaker reflects on the unease of living in a time of rapid technological change, questioning if we're making the most of it or just stalling out. He uses examples of plant-based meat and social media to illustrate this point and expresses hope for future generations to look back with clearer understanding.

      We are living in a time of rapid technological change, where some advancements feel revolutionary while others seem archaic. The speaker expresses a sense of unease about the future, wondering if we are making the most of technology or if we are merely stalling out. He uses the example of plant-based meat and social media to illustrate this point, questioning whether we will look back on our current actions with regret. The speaker also reflects on the limitations of modern medicine and compares it to pre-technological times. He expresses a hope that future generations will look back on our era with a clearer understanding of how technology can be used to improve our lives. The speaker's personal experiences, from the evolution of baby feeding practices to his own dental issues, further highlight the rapid pace of change and the uncertainty of our current technological landscape.

    • Lessons on Parenting: Unique Experiences and ChallengesParenting is a unique journey with constant changes, requiring hard work and appreciation. It's okay to not be a parent, and the relationship between parent and child can evolve into a deep friendship.

      Parenting comes with constant changes and new discoveries, as well as the understanding that everyone's experience is unique. Three lessons from the discussion include: 1. Parenting is not for everyone, and there's no shame in not being a parent. People should not feel pressured to have children, and those who don't can still be valuable contributors to their families and communities. 2. Being a parent and being a dad are two different things. While being a dad can be enjoyable and rewarding, being a parent involves hard work and less appreciation from children. 3. Children can become close friends to their parents. The relationship between a parent and child can evolve into a deep friendship, and this might depend on the parenting style. Furthermore, the discussion highlighted how parenting advice and best practices have evolved over time, and how science continues to discover new information about child development. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of embracing the challenges and joys of parenting, while recognizing that everyone's experience is unique.

    • Having children leads to social awareness and progressive politicsComedian uses podcast format to deepen knowledge and challenge gender roles, raising daughters free from limitations

      Having children has led this comedian to develop a stronger sense of social awareness and a more progressive political stance. She has noticed the ways in which society encourages gender roles from a young age and is determined to raise her daughters free from such limitations. To effectively address these issues in her comedy, she feels the need to deepen her knowledge base and be open to admitting when she is wrong. The podcast format allows for a level of authenticity and freedom that makes these discussions engaging and exciting for her audience.

    • The power of vulnerability and authenticity in podcastingPodcasting allows for human connection and vulnerability, drawing listeners in and fostering deeper relationships. Passion and perseverance are essential in pursuing a career in the entertainment industry, as demonstrated by the speaker's journey from comedy fan to successful podcaster.

      Podcasts offer a unique platform for authenticity and human connection, unlike social media. Podcasters can make mistakes and own up to them in a way that isn't possible on Twitter or other social media platforms. This sense of vulnerability and humanity draws listeners in and allows for a deeper connection. The speaker shares a personal story of discovering his love for comedy and pursuing a career in it, highlighting the importance of passion and perseverance in the face of adversity. From watching SNL and Eddie Murphy's rise to fame, to attending classes at Second City and performing at open mics, the speaker's journey showcases the dedication and love required to succeed in the entertainment industry. Despite the challenges and setbacks, the speaker's passion for comedy never wavered, leading him to a successful career.

    • The emotional toll of pursuing a creative careerCreative careers can bring feelings of inadequacy and fear of losing success, as well as the discomfort of public recognition. Emotional resilience and self-compassion are important for navigating these challenges.

      The feeling of inadequacy and the fear of losing success are common experiences, especially in creative industries where competition is high. The speaker shares his experience as a comedian, where he felt he had to constantly work hard to prove himself and feared losing opportunities if he stopped pushing forward. He also mentions how he was inspired by the stories of more successful comedians, like Eddie Murphy, and felt his own career arc wouldn't take him to the same level of fame. Additionally, the speaker discusses the discomfort and psychological toll of being recognized in public, which he found both fascinating and toxic. Overall, the conversation highlights the emotional complexities and challenges of pursuing a creative career.

    • Navigating the Challenges of FameFame brings unique challenges off-stage, including anxiety and disconnect between public adoration and private life. Soft skills, like rest and regulating fan interactions, are crucial for success.

      Fame comes with its own unique challenges, and the ability to navigate those challenges off-stage is just as important as talent in achieving and sustaining fame. The speaker shares his personal experience with the anxiety of being recognized and the disconnect between public adoration and private life. He also highlights the importance of soft skills, such as being able to rest and regulate interactions with fans, in the success of famous individuals. The speaker suggests that society may not fully understand or appreciate these skills, often attributing fame to other factors like talent or charisma. Ultimately, he reflects on the importance of maintaining a balance between embracing public recognition and staying grounded in reality.

    • Relentless determination and belief in self-worth in entertainment industrySuccess in entertainment industry requires unwavering pursuit of opportunities and belief in self-worth, but knowing when to walk away is crucial for personal growth and happiness.

      Having a relentless determination to succeed and a belief in one's own worthiness is not only necessary but also a common trait among successful individuals in the entertainment industry. This "1,000 yard stare" mentality, as described by the speaker, refers to individuals who are unwavering in their pursuit of opportunities and are not easily deterred by setbacks. The speaker acknowledges having this trait to some extent but also recognizes the importance of being able to know when to walk away from opportunities that may not serve one's best interests. The speaker shares how they moved from New York to Berkeley to find their voice, community, and politics, and how the cancellation of their TV show led them to leave New York and eventually start a family in the Bay Area. Overall, the speaker emphasizes the importance of staying true to oneself and being aware of when to move on from opportunities that no longer serve one's growth or happiness.

    • Prioritizing Family and Personal NeedsMaking personal and familial priorities can lead to missed opportunities and industry connections, but a healthier work-life balance can boost creativity and overall well-being.

      Personal and familial needs can outweigh professional opportunities. The speaker shares his experience of moving from New York to the Bay Area to prioritize his family and mental health, despite potential career costs. He found that the slower pace and accessibility of the Bay Area better suited his creative process and raising young children. However, this meant turning down some opportunities and missing out on industry connections. Ultimately, he made a conscious decision to focus on his work and create his own opportunities, accepting the trade-offs for a healthier personal life.

    • Recognizing personal limitations for growthAdmit weaknesses, focus on strengths, balance mental health and financial needs, find value beyond monetary gain, know when to say no.

      Prioritizing mental health and recognizing personal limitations are essential for personal and professional growth. The speaker shares their experience of spreading themselves too thin by chasing every opportunity, leading to burnout. They've learned to admit their weaknesses and focus on what they do best, even if it means letting go of some opportunities. Balancing the need to provide financially for their family with their mental well-being is a daily struggle. The podcast industry, specifically for stand-up comedians, offers unique opportunities that don't necessarily require monetary gain but can bring value through audience engagement and exposure. The key is to find the right balance and know when to say no.

    • Expand reach and engage audience with podcastsPodcasts offer affordable marketing, deeper fan connections, and creative exploration. Manageable podcasts prioritize audience engagement over financial gain, and collaborating with networks for cable news appearances requires a balance between comedy and news.

      Having a podcast can significantly expand an entertainer's reach and audience engagement. It acts as an affordable and effective marketing tool that brings people to the door, allowing them to connect with fans on a deeper level. Podcasts also provide opportunities to explore creative projects that may not be feasible in other formats. However, managing multiple podcasts can be exhausting, and it's essential to recognize that the primary goal should be audience engagement and promotion, rather than financial gain. Additionally, collaborating with networks for cable news appearances can be a challenging experience, requiring a delicate balance between comedy and news to create a supportive and cohesive environment.

    • Balancing Convenience and Depth in News ConsumptionThe future of news may offer more control for users, but it also risks an overload of information without context and calls for a balance between convenience and depth.

      The future of news consumption may bring more control for users, but it also raises concerns about the quality and depth of information. The speaker expresses a fear that live news, particularly on social media platforms, may lead to an overabundance of information without proper context or understanding. They also mention the potential for a response in the form of longer-form, more thoughtfully produced content. Ultimately, the speaker hopes for a balance between the convenience and speed of modern news consumption and the depth and accuracy of traditional news sources.

    • The risk of becoming overwhelmed and disconnected in the world of democratized live videoBe aware of the risk of fragmented understanding and make an effort to engage in meaningful conversations and expand knowledge beyond immediate feeds. Find a balance between consuming information and engaging in dialogue, and remember not all information is created equal.

      As we move towards a world of democratized live video and an overwhelming amount of information at our fingertips, there's a risk of becoming overwhelmed and disconnected. The ease of access to multiple perspectives and conversations can lead to a fragmented understanding of the world. However, it's important to remember that not everyone is engaged in the same topics or conversations, and our own perspectives are limited. It's crucial to be aware of this and make an effort to engage in meaningful conversations and expand our knowledge beyond our immediate feeds. The key is to find a balance between consuming information and engaging in meaningful dialogue. Additionally, it's important to remember that not all information is created equal, and there are filters and mechanisms in place to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Ultimately, it's up to us to be mindful of the information we consume and the conversations we engage in.

    • Exploring Positive and Solution-Focused StoriesFocusing on positive stories and solutions can lead to engaging and impactful content, countering negativity bias in news and media.

      While negativity bias is a common theme in news and media, focusing solely on it may not be the most effective or engaging approach for audiences. The speakers in this discussion suggest that exploring stories with a positive or solution-focused angle can be just as important and potentially more appealing to viewers. They also mention the cultural and professional biases towards focusing on the outrageous and negative, which can influence the types of stories that get covered. The rise of networks like Vice, which have an excitement bias, shows that people are craving something different from the traditional news format. Ultimately, it's essential to remember that there are various ways to approach storytelling and that focusing on the positive can lead to engaging and impactful content.

    • Comedians' unexpected impact on raising awarenessComedians, like John Oliver, use humor to explain complex issues, while media's focus on sound bites and sensationalism can distort reality, underscoring the importance of diverse approaches in education and awareness.

      The unexpected impact of comedians, like John Oliver, in raising awareness on important issues such as net neutrality shows the value of diverse approaches in getting the common man to understand complex concepts. The media's focus on sound bites and sensationalism, as seen with Donald Trump, can lead to a distorted view of reality and underestimation of the true nature of public figures. If the media had provided a bigger picture of Trump earlier, the public might have had a more positive impression of him. The entertainment industry and comedians have a crucial role in shaping public opinion and should be valued as effective tools for education and awareness.

    • Trump's Entertainer Image and Double StandardsTrump's entertainment background and wealth granted him leniency, but his divisive comments and actions would have been unacceptable for others, revealing societal biases

      Donald Trump's public persona and behavior, which were initially perceived as entertainment, proved to be a strategic yet maladaptive approach in the political landscape. The entertainment industry's "mask" often does not come off, and Trump's wealth and status granted him a level of benefit of the doubt that other candidates do not receive. However, the stark contrast between his campaign rhetoric and the expectations of presidential decorum became increasingly apparent, particularly during his introduction of Mike Pence and his press conference following the convention speech. The media's coverage of Trump's divisive comments and actions would have been unacceptable if uttered by a woman or a person of color, highlighting the inherent biases and double standards in society.

    • Reevaluating assumptions about political successTrump's presidency challenged assumptions about political success and exposed underlying issues within the Republican Party and society.

      The ease with which Donald Trump is mocked and the perception that he had an easier path to success than others, such as Sarah Palin or women in politics, can be misleading. Trump's presidency has forced many to reevaluate their assumptions about what is possible and has exposed underlying issues within the Republican Party and society as a whole. Despite the polls and the growing sense that Hillary Clinton may win, there is still a significant portion of the population that supports Trump, and his ability to perform well in debates cannot be underestimated. The aftermath of the Trump presidency and the potential impact of his supporters is a question that remains unanswered. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of acknowledging and addressing the complexities and challenges that come with political discourse and change.

    • Exploring new perspectives for important decisionsConsider influential books like 'The Autobiography of Malcolm X,' 'King of the World,' and 'Blink' for fresh insights when making significant decisions.

      Our understanding of the world, including political forecasts, is shaped by models and past data. However, W. Kamau Bell, the guest on this episode, suggests that we should not treat important decisions, like elections, as one-shot events. He recommends books like "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," "King of the World," and "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell, which have influenced him and offer new perspectives. "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" is a transformative rags-to-riches story about spiritual growth. "King of the World" explores the evolution of black identity through boxing. "Blink" inspired Bell when he was seeking new ways to look at things. Bell also encourages listeners to check out his podcast, "Politically Reactive," and Denzel Washington's show, "United Shades of America."

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