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    What Everyone Gets Wrong About Putin - Historian Mark Galeotti

    enFebruary 18, 2024

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    • Putin's Leadership: Beyond the Chess Master StereotypePutin's actions driven by paranoid beliefs, not a calculated masterplan. He's a scared, limited old man in a corrupt, authoritarian system.

      Vladimir Putin, often perceived as a grand geopolitical chess master, should not be underestimated but also not overestimated. Putin's actions, such as the invasion of Ukraine, are driven by his paranoid beliefs and responses to perceived threats, rather than a calculated masterplan. He is not a Bond villain, but a scared and limited old man, who is increasingly encased within the corrupt and authoritarian system he built. This system rewards those who tell him what he wants to hear, leading to policies based on lies. Putin's competence should not be underestimated, but the system he operates in, which he himself created, is a significant factor in his leadership. Over time, leaders like Putin can become caricatures of themselves, and the strengths that served them well in their youth can become weaknesses in old age.

    • Putin's belief in West's encroachment led to Ukraine conflictPutin's distorted worldview and lack of advisors fueled Ukraine conflict, causing devastating consequences

      Vladimir Putin's actions towards Ukraine were driven by his belief that the West was encroaching on Russia's territory and threatening its security, despite the fact that Ukraine is a sovereign nation with its own distinct culture and history. Putin's conviction that the West was trying to steal Ukraine led him to respond with military force. However, his isolation from information and advice from technocrats and advisors who might have tempered his actions allowed him to interpret events through his own warped perspective. The consequences of this misperception have been disastrous for Ukraine and the global community. It's crucial to recognize that Putin's actions are not solely a reaction to provocation but also a result of his own distorted worldview and the lack of checks and balances within his inner circle.

    • Ukraine's Sovereignty and EU/NATO MembershipDespite Ukraine's sovereignty, Putin saw EU/NATO membership as a threat and invaded, reflecting a paranoid, impulsive dictator. Popularity doesn't always equal public sentiment.

      Ukraine is a sovereign country with a desire to join the EU and NATO, but historical tensions and geopolitical considerations made membership uncertain. However, Putin's perception of this ambiguous response as an imminent plan led him to invade Ukraine, reflecting a common pattern of dictators becoming more paranoid and impulsive towards the end of their reign. Putin's earlier success and good fortune, including economic prosperity from high oil prices and rebuilding Russia after the chaotic 1990s, contributed to his popularity, but his popularity is not necessarily an accurate reflection of public sentiment. The historical context and Putin's own actions have led to the current crisis in Ukraine.

    • Complex Legacy of Leaders like Churchill and PutinHistorical figures can have a complex legacy, as demonstrated by Winston Churchill and Vladimir Putin. While they led their countries through significant challenges, their legacies may depend on future events and societal changes.

      Historical figures, even those revered for significant accomplishments, can coexist with a willingness for change. Using the example of Winston Churchill, who led Britain through World War II but was replaced after the war, it's possible for individuals to have a complex legacy. In the case of Putin and Russia, there's a belief that he deserves recognition, but that recognition may come in retirement. Russia, a vast country with diverse territories, has been perceived as needing a strong leader to hold it together. However, many regions do not actually desire independence, and ethnic Russians are often a plurality or majority in these areas. Putin's actions in Ukraine have resulted in significant losses for both sides, and it's debatable who has come out on top. Ultimately, Russia's challenges as a large country have evolved, and its psyche has yet to fully adapt to these changes.

    • Russian military's surprising adaptability in Ukraine conflictDespite using outdated equipment and suffering heavy casualties, the Russian military has shown surprising adaptability in the Ukraine conflict. However, Putin's grip on power remains uncertain due to broken deals with insiders, but fear keeps potential opponents in check.

      The Russian military, which underwent reform similar to Western armies post-Cold War, has adapted surprisingly well in its current conflict with Ukraine, despite the use of outdated equipment and heavy casualties among reservists. However, Putin's position remains brittle, as trust in him has weakened due to broken deals with insiders, but fear keeps potential opponents in check. The Ukrainian conflict has shown that while the Russian military has evolved, it still relies on outdated tactics and hardware, and Putin's grip on power remains uncertain.

    • Understanding Putin's Motivations in Ukraine ConflictDespite setbacks, Putin's risk-averse nature and belief in potential victory fuel his optimism in Ukraine conflict due to Russia's military advantage, Western divisions, and upcoming elections.

      Despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, there's uncertainty about Russian President Vladimir Putin's thoughts and motivations, making him a "black box" to the Western world. While it's believed Putin was the driving force behind the conflict, the lack of expected purges and dismissals of key figures suggests he's risk-averse and may still believe in a potential victory, despite setbacks. Putin's awareness of Russia's military advantage, the West's divisions, and upcoming elections could be fueling his optimism. However, the true extent of Putin's mindset remains a mystery.

    • Putin's Legacy and Control DilemmaPutin's desire for legacy and control led him to invade Ukraine, but the risks and potential consequences make it difficult for him to step down.

      Vladimir Putin's desire to secure his legacy and maintain control in an authoritarian regime may have driven him to invade Ukraine, despite the potential risks and uncertainties. Putin's age and the challenges Russia faces, such as pension gaps and infrastructure issues, suggest he may have been looking for an exit strategy before the invasion. However, the potential dangers of handing power to a successor and the possibility of being used as a bargaining chip may prevent him from feeling safe enough to step down. This dilemma is reminiscent of the challenges faced by mob bosses, and Putin may have been wary of the potential consequences of relinquishing power. The conflict in Ukraine and Putin's actions have increased his value as a bargaining chip, making it even more difficult for him to consider stepping down.

    • Understanding Putin: Historical Significance and BitternessPutin's belief in his own historical significance and bitterness over the end of the Soviet Union shape his actions and reluctance to give up power, similar to leaders like Ivan the Terrible.

      Vladimir Putin's actions and beliefs can be understood through his deep-rooted belief in his own historical significance and his bitterness over the end of the Soviet Union. He sees himself as a great Russian leader, akin to the czars like Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. Putin's paranoia and reluctance to give up power can be attributed to this mindset, shaped by his KGB background and his desire to restore Russia's superpower status. Ivan the Terrible, another Russian leader from history, provides a useful parallel. Ivan came to power during a time when Moscow was the dominant power among the Russian principalities. He learned the ruthless politics of Muscovite power struggles during his childhood, marked by the arrest and brutal treatment of his own brother. Like Putin, Ivan's sense of historical significance and bitterness over the loss of empire drove his actions. These leaders' shared mindset, shaped by their formative experiences and a deep sense of historical significance, offers insight into their motivations and the reasons for their enduring impact on Russian history.

    • Ivan the Terrible: Significant State Builder in Russian HistoryIvan the Terrible laid the foundation for modern Russian institutions like the foreign ministry, interior ministry, and standing army, shaping Russia's development similarly to Putin's first half rule. Post-Putin Russia's institutionalized structure reduces the likelihood of chaos compared to Ivan's succession crisis.

      Ivan the Terrible, despite his controversial second half reign, was a significant state builder in Russian history. He established key institutions like the Russian foreign ministry, interior ministry, and the first Russian standing army. His impact on Russia's development is comparable to Putin's, as both leaders had positive impacts during their respective first halves of rule. However, unlike Ivan's succession crisis that led to the "Time of Troubles," Russia today is a modern bureaucratic state with a stable framework and capable technocrats. Although there are risks, the country is not likely to experience the same level of chaos after Putin's reign due to its institutionalized structure. Additionally, Putin's relationship with Xi Jinping is described as a marriage of convenience, reflecting their shared interests and geopolitical strategies.

    • China and Russia's Relationship: Not Mutual BenefitDespite sharing common interests, China sells dual use equipment to Russia but withholds military support and heavy diplomatic backing. Russia fears Chinese population growth in its Far East and potential long-term dependence on Beijing.

      China and Russia share common interests in undermining the West, but their relationship is not one of mutual benefit. China sells dual use equipment to Russia but withholds military support and heavy diplomatic backing. They are happy to amplify Russian messaging against the West, but Russia is more concerned about being colonized by China than by the West. The Chinese population is already heavily present in Russia's Far East, causing fear among Russians. From a Russian army officer's perspective, Russia may have a choice between becoming an ally of the West or becoming a vassal of China in the future. Putin, focused on winning the current war, may make concessions to China, but the next political generation is more concerned about the long-term dependence on Beijing.

    • Russia's future hinges on Putin and the WestRussian elite's discontent with Putin's actions may lead to a new generation of leaders focusing on rebuilding ties with the West, potentially bringing about rule of law and democratic changes.

      Russia's future depends on the duration of the ongoing conflict with the West and Putin's tenure in power. The Russian elite, who benefit from the global order while maintaining their own corrupt system, are unhappy with Putin's actions disrupting their status quo. The next generation of Russian leaders is expected to focus on rebuilding connections with the West and restoring the pragmatic kleptocratic order. The West, which knows how to deal with kleptocrats, may welcome this development. However, the current instability could lead to a significant intergenerational transfer of wealth, potentially bringing about a demand for rule of law, which could pave the way for future democratic changes. Ultimately, the future of Russia lies in the balance between its relationship with the West and the internal power struggles among its leaders.

    • Russia's uncertain succession planDespite Putin's potential departure, the identity of Russia's next leader remains unclear due to Putin's authoritarian rule and reluctance to discuss succession plans.

      The succession plan in Russia, following Vladimir Putin's potential departure from power, remains uncertain. Putin, as an authoritarian leader, has cleared the field of competition, making it difficult to predict who the next leader might be. The political landscape is constantly shifting, and potential successors have yet to emerge. The lack of a clear successor could lead to a coalition of powerful figures coming together to choose a figurehead or a competent manager to lead the country. However, Putin's continued grip on power and reluctance to discuss succession plans make it a taboo topic in Russian politics. Putin's strength lies in maintaining the focus on his leadership, and engaging in discussions about a post-Putin Russia could potentially weaken his position. Therefore, the succession plan in Russia remains a mystery, and the future of Russian politics is uncertain.

    • Russian Election: Putin's Secure Position and Potential Coup ThreatDespite Putin's stronghold, a political coup could pose a threat to his rule. Engaging with Russians beyond Putin and challenging his divisive narrative is crucial for post-Putin Russia.

      The upcoming Russian election may not offer a genuine choice for voters, with Putin's position appearing increasingly secure due to his extensive security measures and the lack of viable alternatives. However, the discussion also highlighted the potential for a political coup as a more plausible threat to Putin's rule. Additionally, it's crucial not to overlook the importance of engaging with Russians beyond Putin and challenging his divisive narrative that pits the West against them. Britain, in particular, should leverage its anglophilia among Russians to build bridges and promote positive relationships for a post-Putin Russia.

    • Sanctions against Russia may not be as effective as intendedSanctions could give Putin propaganda advantages and make an alliance with China more attractive for Russia, while high-cost Western weapon systems may not provide a superior advantage over Russia's focus on quantity. A more nuanced approach, such as engagement and diplomacy, could lead to a better understanding of Russia and potentially reduce tensions.

      The ongoing sanctions against Russia in response to the war in Ukraine may not be as effective as intended, and could even be counterproductive. By restricting cultural exchange and making it difficult for skilled individuals to travel to the West, we may be giving Putin propaganda advantages and making an alliance with China more attractive for Russia. Additionally, the high cost of complex Western weapon systems may not necessarily provide a superior advantage over Russia's focus on quantity. Instead, a more nuanced approach, such as engagement and diplomacy, could lead to a better understanding of Russia and potentially reduce tensions. Ultimately, it's important to consider the long-term implications of our actions and explore alternative strategies to achieve our goals.

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    One year of war in Ukraine

    One year of war in Ukraine

    Tommy and Ben look back on a year of war in Ukraine and discuss what people got wrong, lessons learned, and where things stand today. Then, Ben and Tommy talk to reporters and Ukrainians about the war including FT reporter and longtime Ukraine resident Christopher Miller, 18-year-old Ukrainian student and artist Assia Vlasenko who escaped Ukraine AFTER SIX MONTHS OF OCCUPATION, Research Director at the European Expert Association Maria Avdeeva who has been documenting Russian war crimes, and FT reporter and Putin expert Max Seddon.

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    Putin hails "meaningful and frank" talks with Xi & we interview former US National Security Adviser John Bolton

    Putin hails "meaningful and frank" talks with Xi & we interview former US National Security Adviser John Bolton

    Day 390.

    Today, we continue to analyse Xi Jinping’s visit to Moscow, bring you the latest from the front lines & Dom Nicholls interviews former US ambassador to the UN & former National security Advisor John Bolton.

      

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    David Knowles (Host). @djknowles22 on Twitter.

    Dominic Nicholls (Associate Editor, Defence). @DomNicholls on Twitter.

    Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). @FrancisDearnley on Twitter.

    Roland Oliphant (Senior Foreign Correspondent).


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    Europe ‘must prepare for war’ & how Russia rebuilt its armies

    Europe ‘must prepare for war’ & how Russia rebuilt its armies

    Day 752. 

    Today, we bring you the latest news from across Ukraine, discuss diplomatic updates from the EU and the US and we interview the former British defence attache to Moscow and Kyiv on the Russian war machine, the fight for the Black Sea and the challenges facing both armies in the months and years ahead.



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    Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor) @FrancisDearnley on X.

    John Foreman (Former British Diplomat and Royal Navy Captain). @exexpat19 on X.




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    Zelensky confronts Orban ahead of crucial US visit & Russia advances across entire front

    Zelensky confronts Orban ahead of crucial US visit & Russia advances across entire front

    Day 654.

    Today, we bring you the latest news from Ukraine, discuss a packed round of international diplomacy as Volodymyr Zelensky confronts Victor Orban in Argentina and hear why rising egg prices heralds domestic problems in Russia.

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    David Knowles (Head of Audio Development). @DJKnowles22 on Twitter.

    James Kilner (Editor, Central Asia & South Caucasus Bulletin). @JKJourno on Twitter.

    Dom Nicholls (Associate Editor, Defence). @DomNicholls on Twitter.

    Tony Diver (US Editor). @Tony_Diver on Twitter.


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