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    When Online Extremism Becomes Offline Violence

    en-usMay 20, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Buffalo shooting and the role of the Internet in spreading hate speechThe Buffalo shooting tragedy highlights the challenges of content moderation and the ease with which harmful content can spread online, emphasizing the need for tech companies to address this issue and promote understanding, empathy, and inclusion.

      The Buffalo shooting tragedy underscores the role of the Internet in spreading harmful content and fueling hate speech. The suspected shooter reportedly used various online platforms, including 4chan, Reddit, Discord, Twitch, and Facebook, to disseminate his racist beliefs and plan his violent act. Researchers like Joan Donovan are working to gather data and understand the extent of the shooter's online presence. However, the incident highlights the challenges of content moderation and the ease with which harmful content can spread on these platforms. It's essential to recognize the impact of online spaces on real-world events and the responsibility of tech companies to address this issue. The shooting also serves as a reminder of the importance of promoting understanding, empathy, and inclusion in our society.

    • Social Media's Role in Inspiring Terroristic ActsResearchers warn that social media can make individuals feel like they're discovering forbidden knowledge, leading them down a predetermined path to commit terroristic acts. Tech corporations need to prioritize content in the public interest, and society needs a whole-of-society solution to combat this issue.

      The power of social media in inspiring and radicalizing individuals to commit terroristic acts in the real world is a significant concern. Researchers like Joan Donovan and Evelyn Douek warn that these online environments can make individuals feel as if they're discovering forbidden knowledge, when in reality, they're being led down a predetermined path. The Buffalo shooting is a recent example of this, with the attacker reportedly being influenced by previous mass shootings livestreamed online. To combat this issue, it's essential to incentivize tech corporations to prioritize content in the public interest and to ensure that such events are rare and anomalous. As Evelyn Doek, a senior research fellow at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University, stated, the social media aspect of mass shootings is almost inevitable at this point. It's a complex issue that requires a whole-of-society solution, not just thoughts and prayers.

    • Government response to extremism and tech platformsAustralian gov's reaction to Christchurch massacre focused on performative legislation rather than education, outreach, and counter-speech.

      The Australian government's response to the Christchurch massacre, which was perpetrated by an Australian citizen, provides an intriguing case study on how governments address extremism and the role of tech platforms. However, instead of focusing on education, reaching out to vulnerable communities, and counter-speech, Australia passed a performative legislation threatening to punish platforms for not removing harmful content. This legislation, which has never been used, speaks to the way governments can make bold statements for political gain without addressing the problem effectively. While tech platforms do need to take responsibility for their role, it's essential to consider a more comprehensive approach involving various stakeholders. Evelyn's upcoming paper in the Harvard Law Review, "Content Moderation as Administration," argues that the public's understanding of content moderation is incomplete, and this misconception has significant implications for how we govern it.

    • The systems behind content moderation decisions matterRegulators should question platform designs and systems for preventing content moderation failures. Platforms need effective systems to contain harmful content and address the ecosystem as a whole.

      While we often focus on individual decisions in content moderation, such as whether a post is taken down or not, the systems behind these decisions are what truly matter. Regulators should be asking questions about how platforms are designed and what systems they have in place to prevent failures. In the context of recent mass shootings, like the one in Buffalo, it's essential to consider the role of tech platforms and content moderation before, during, and after the incident. Platforms should be prepared for such events and have effective systems in place to contain the spread of harmful content. However, it's not enough to focus on one platform's response; instead, we need to think about the ecosystem as a whole, where people can coordinate on other platforms without moderation and spread content across different platforms. The 2-minute response from Twitch in the Buffalo shooting is an improvement, but it's not enough to prevent the spread of harmful content. Therefore, it's crucial to address the entire ecosystem to effectively contain and mitigate the impact of harmful content.

    • The complex issue of regulating violent content on the internetDespite efforts by platforms to remove violent content, it continues to spread online due to the volume and speed of content creation and the existence of 'dark corners' of the web where it thrives. The challenge is immense, and while progress is being made, firm conclusions about what happened and where systems failed are premature.

      The spread of violent content on the internet, particularly after a mass shooting or terrorist attack, is a complex issue that involves multiple platforms and a constant game of cat and mouse between content creators and moderators. While many platforms, such as YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, have systems in place to identify and remove such content, there are still "dark corners" of the web where such content thrives, and it's challenging to regulate them. The Global Internet Forum for Countering Terrorism (GIFCT) is an organization where platforms work together to counter this issue, but not all platforms are members, and some, like 8chan, deliberately avoid using the database. Facebook, for instance, relies on user reports to flag content, but it's a reactive approach that often fails to prevent the spread of violent content in the first place. The challenge is immense, and while platforms are trying their best, the volume and speed of content creation make it a daunting task. It's essential to remember that drawing firm conclusions about what happened and where the systems failed is premature, as there's still much we don't know.

    • Relying too heavily on AI for content moderation during a crisis can lead to failuresDuring a crisis, effective content moderation requires a combination of AI and human intervention to prevent the spread of harmful content online.

      During a crisis, relying too heavily on artificial intelligence for content moderation on social media platforms like Facebook can lead to failures in identifying and removing harmful content, such as videos of mass shootings. The use of hash databases and automated decision-making can be easily circumvented by minor alterations to the content. The lack of transparency from the platforms about their content moderation processes and the immunity they have under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act make it challenging for lawmakers to hold them accountable. Ultimately, a combination of both artificial intelligence and human moderation is necessary to effectively address the spread of harmful content online.

    • Approach to regulating online contentLawmakers should focus on transparency, due process, and reforming systems to prevent rapid spread of harmful content, without infringing on First Amendment or changing business models.

      Regulating online content requires a nuanced approach beyond just making things illegal or holding platforms liable for hate speech. Instead, lawmakers should focus on transparency, due process, and reforming the systems that allow harmful content to spread quickly. Platforms want engaging content and have systems in place to facilitate it, but these systems can be exploited to cause harm. Lawmakers could introduce content-neutral measures to add friction and prevent the rapid spread of content, without infringing on the First Amendment or forcing platforms to change their business models. This approach acknowledges the complexity of the issue and the need for a balanced solution.

    • Addressing Harmful Content: Experts Discuss SolutionsExperts emphasized the need for laws increasing transparency and action against hate speech and advocacy for violence, and encouraged positive content and digital care.

      While tech platforms have a responsibility to address harmful content on their sites, they cannot completely eliminate it on their own. The conversation with experts Joan Donovan and Evelyn Douglass highlighted the need for more proactive measures, including laws that increase transparency and encourage action against hate speech and advocacy for violence. The discussion also emphasized the importance of contributing positive content to the internet and taking care of each other in the digital space. It's clear that the current responses to online harm are not enough, and a more comprehensive approach is needed to tackle this complex issue.

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