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    Why prosecutors, not cops, are the keys to criminal justice reform

    enAugust 22, 2017

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    • The Power of Prosecutors in Criminal Justice and FinancesProsecutors wield significant power in the criminal justice system, and financial platforms like Wise enable users to manage money with real-time exchange rates and no hidden fees.

      While we often focus on the role of police in the criminal justice system, particularly in discussions around racial inequality, the real decision-makers are often prosecutors. With extraordinary discretionary power, they hold the key to reforms. Wise, the financial service platform, also holds significant power in the financial world, enabling users to manage money in different currencies at real-time mid-market exchange rates without hidden fees. This week on a podcast, Angela Davis, former director of the DC Public Defender Service and editor of the book "Policing the Black Man," shed light on the criminal justice system and the crucial role of prosecutors. Meanwhile, Vox Media is looking for podcast producers and hosts to join their team for an ambitious daily explainer podcast project. And if you're into thought-provoking conversations, check out Todd Vanderworth's culture podcast, I Think You're Interesting, and his episode with Errol Morris.

    • Observing racial disparities in the criminal justice systemDespite similar drug usage rates, African Americans are disproportionately arrested and over-represented in the criminal justice system, emphasizing the need for a more nuanced and equitable approach.

      The criminal justice system is plagued with unwarranted racial disparities, which is a complex issue rooted in biased law enforcement and enforcement priorities. Angela Davis, a former public defender, shared her experiences of observing these disparities firsthand, particularly in the context of drug-related offenses. She noted that while African Americans and whites use drugs at similar rates, African Americans are disproportionately arrested, leading to a vicious cycle of over-representation in the criminal justice system. Davis emphasized the importance of understanding this context to avoid drawing unfair conclusions from crime statistics. Her interview underscores the need for a more nuanced and equitable approach to criminal justice.

    • Discretion in the Criminal Justice System: Consequences for Less Serious CrimesProsecutors' decisions behind closed doors, based on discretion, can have long-term impacts on individuals' futures, particularly for less serious crimes.

      Discretion plays a significant role in the criminal justice system, particularly in less serious crimes. Early interactions with the system, such as being arrested for minor offenses, can have long-term consequences on how individuals are viewed and treated later on. Prosecutors hold immense power in making decisions behind closed doors, including whether to charge someone or not, and the severity of the charges. These decisions, which are not transparent or accountable, can have serious implications for individuals' futures. The criminal justice system as a whole is characterized by a high degree of discretion at various stages, from police stops to prosecutors' charging decisions.

    • Historical context of discriminatory policies in criminal justiceUnderstanding historical biases is crucial for recognizing and addressing disparities in the criminal justice system.

      The criminal justice system is not just a system of laws, but a system of laws mediated through discretionary decision making by officials at every step. This decision making, which can be influenced by factors like implicit bias and racial profiling, can lead to disparate outcomes and perpetuate historical biases. The author, Bryan Stevenson, argues that this is not a new phenomenon, but a continuation of discriminatory policies dating back to slavery. Understanding this historical context is crucial for recognizing and addressing the issues in the criminal justice system today.

    • From slavery to present day: Perception of black men as dangerousImplicit biases, deeply ingrained in society, lead to disproportionate treatment and suspicion towards black men and boys, perpetuating a long history of racism.

      The history of treatment towards black men and boys in America, from slavery to the present day, shows a disconcerting similarity. While we no longer live in a time of overt slavery, the perception of black men as dangerous has been deeply ingrained in society. This perception, driven by implicit biases and stereotypes, has led to disproportionate treatment and suspicion towards black men and boys. The belief that they are inherently criminal, even in children, stems from a long history of racism and media portrayals. Implicit biases, which are often unconscious, can significantly impact decisions made in the criminal justice system. These biases, which can be based on race, body type, size, hair color, tone, and skin tone, are a major issue as they can lead to unjust treatment and outcomes. Unfortunately, there is no legal remedy for implicit bias, making it a complex and persistent problem within our legal system.

    • Unintentional bias and unconscious discrimination in the criminal justice systemDespite efforts to address intentional discrimination, unintentional bias and unconscious discrimination persist in the criminal justice system. Courts have not provided effective remedies, and historical context and agency are crucial to understanding the complex issues surrounding crime and mass incarceration.

      While intentional discrimination in the criminal justice system is addressed, unintentional bias and unconscious discrimination are not. The courts have not evolved to provide effective remedies for these issues. The discussion also touched upon the complex history of crime waves in African American communities and the passage of bills aimed at addressing crime, which were supported by the black community but have since been criticized for contributing to mass incarceration. It's important to consider the historical context and agency involved, as well as the implicit bias that may still exist within the system.

    • Lack of research and evidence-based decision-making led to problematic crime billsDecades-old crime bills, driven by lack of evidence and research, gave too much power to prosecutors, resulting in an overwhelming number of guilty pleas and lengthy prison sentences, causing harm to families, lives, and collateral consequences.

      The crime bills passed in the past, including on the state level, were problematic due to the lack of research and evidence-based decision-making. These bills, which included mandatory minimum sentences, were intended to bring fairness and equality to the justice system, but instead, transferred discretion from judges to prosecutors. Prosecutors gained more power to make plea offers, leading to an overwhelming number of guilty pleas and lengthy prison sentences. Decades later, it's clear that these laws did not significantly reduce crime and caused harm through destroyed families, wasted lives, and collateral consequences. Now, legislators are acknowledging their mistakes and the importance of considering the racial and other impacts of laws before passing them.

    • The Power and Lack of Transparency in Prosecutor's RoleProsecutors, as elected officials, hold significant power in the criminal justice system but lack transparency, making it hard for citizens to hold them accountable for inconsistent charging and sentencing.

      The role of prosecutors in the criminal justice system is often overlooked, but they hold significant power as they decide whether to bring charges and negotiate plea deals, which are not transparent processes. Most prosecutors in the U.S. are elected officials, which theoretically sounds good for accountability, but in practice, their daily work is not easily observable by the public. This lack of transparency makes it challenging for citizens to hold prosecutors accountable for their decisions, particularly when it comes to inconsistent charging and sentencing. Despite being elected officials, prosecutors often run unopposed or campaign on being tough on crime, making it difficult for voters to make informed decisions. This systemic issue requires attention and reform to ensure fairness and accountability in the criminal justice system.

    • The Power and Invisibility of ProsecutorsProsecutors hold significant power in the criminal justice system, deciding whether to dismiss or charge individuals, with potential consequences of mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses. Their decisions lack transparency and accountability.

      While police officers are a visible presence in our communities, prosecutors, who hold significant power in the criminal justice system, often go unnoticed. Prosecutors have the authority to decide whether to dismiss a case or charge an individual, and the consequences of these decisions can vary greatly. They are not required to follow any particular guidelines when making these decisions, and their decisions can have a significant impact on individuals' lives, including potential mandatory minimum sentences for more serious drug offenses. The lack of transparency and accountability in prosecutorial decision-making is a critical issue that deserves more attention.

    • Prosecutorial Discretion and Unintended Racial DisparitiesProsecutors' decisions based on seemingly race-neutral factors can disproportionately impact racial and socioeconomic minorities, leading to unfair and unwarranted disparities in the criminal justice system.

      While prosecutors follow certain standards when deciding whether to charge or dismiss a case, these seemingly race-neutral factors can disproportionately impact racial and socioeconomic minorities. For instance, the interest of the victim in prosecution can lead to disparities, as some victims may not show up for witness conferences due to various reasons, such as mail theft, fear, or inability to take time off work. These circumstances may not be intentional but can result in dismissing the case. The prosecutor's decision to move forward with a case or not may not be based on race or class explicitly, but the racial disparities that result are still unfair and unwarranted. The criminal justice system's complexities require ongoing attention and efforts to address these disparities and ensure equal treatment for all.

    • The real change in criminal justice system lies in the prosecutorial systemProgressive-minded prosecutors prioritizing fairness and reducing mass incarceration can lead to more humane alternatives to incarceration for non-violent offenders

      While addressing disparities in the criminal justice system by improving policing is important, it's not enough. The real change lies in the prosecutorial system, where the power to decide who gets charged and sentenced resides. Even with equal policing, unequal outcomes can still occur due to prosecutorial discretion. To truly reform the system, we need progressive-minded prosecutors who prioritize fairness and reducing mass incarceration over securing convictions. This could lead to more humane alternatives to incarceration for non-violent offenders. However, electing prosecutors as officials comes with its own challenges, as they may feel pressured to cater to public opinion and take overly cautious approaches. Despite these complexities, focusing on prosecutors is crucial for criminal justice reform.

    • A shift towards fairer and more decent criminal justiceElected prosecutors with new approaches are unseating traditional ones, bringing hope for a fairer criminal justice system and reducing mass incarceration's devastating impact on families.

      The criminal justice system, particularly the role of elected prosecutors, has been a contentious issue with a focus on being tough on crime leading to mass incarceration and its devastating consequences for families. However, there's a growing recognition of the need for a fairer and more decent system, leading to the election of prosecutors with different visions. This shift is evident in the number of prosecutors unseated in recent elections, such as Aramis Ayala in Orlando and Kim Foxx in Chicago, who are implementing new approaches to criminal justice. The economic burden and personal impact of these laws are making people reconsider their views on criminal justice. Despite the challenges of running for office and the funding of some campaigns by initiatives like those supported by George Soros, there's reason for optimism about the future of the criminal justice system.

    • Democracy as the Answer to Criminal Justice Policy DifferencesVoters have the power to elect officials who align with their views on criminal justice policies through the democratic process.

      While there is a lack of consensus on the goals and purposes of the criminal justice system, our democracy allows for the election of officials who share specific views and implement policies accordingly. Political action committees (PACs) have played a role in electing new progressive officials, but the diverse philosophies of punishment and the system's purpose make for a complex and divisive policy conversation. The speaker believes that democracy is the answer to resolving these differences, as voters have the power to elect officials who align with their perspectives on the criminal justice system. Ultimately, it's essential for individuals to be informed and engaged in the democratic process to influence the direction of criminal justice policies.

    • Politics of criminal justice reform in US fragileProgress towards humane, effective criminal justice policies during Obama era reversed under Trump, with harsher sentencing and reversal of consent decrees, despite evidence these policies don't reduce crime or improve safety.

      The politics of criminal justice reform in the United States are fragile and subject to rapid change based on public opinion and crime rates. During the Obama administration, there was significant bipartisan progress towards more humane and effective criminal justice policies. However, this progress has been reversed under the Trump administration, with Attorney General Sessions pushing for harsher sentencing and the reversal of consent decrees in cities with problematic police departments. This shift flies in the face of evidence that these policies do not help reduce crime or improve public safety. The future of criminal justice reform remains uncertain, with the outcome depending on factors such as public opinion, crime rates, and the actions of political leaders.

    • Electing Progressive Prosecutors and Building TrustElecting good prosecutors and officials and educating the public about facts are crucial for continuing criminal justice reform. Building trust between communities and law enforcement through procedural justice is also essential.

      While progress has been made on criminal justice reform at the federal level, the majority of criminal cases are handled on the state and local level. Electing good, progressive prosecutors and officials is crucial to continuing this progress. However, public opinion can be fragile, and fear can quickly derail progress. It's essential to educate people about the facts and encourage them to base their decisions and opinions on facts rather than fear. Additionally, improving relationships between communities and law enforcement could lead to safer communities with more compassionate enforcement and justice administration. Procedural justice, or the perception of being treated fairly, is essential to building trust between communities and law enforcement. While there may not be a one-size-fits-all solution, there are steps that can be taken to foster positive change.

    • Strained relationship between communities of color and law enforcementImplicit bias training helps, but lack of accountability fuels frustration and mistrust. Broad legal leeway for police use of deadly force contributes to acquittals, worsening the issue.

      The lack of perceived fairness and accountability in the treatment of communities of color by law enforcement contributes to a strained relationship. Implicit bias training can help police officers become aware of their biases and behave differently. However, the persistent issue of unarmed, non-threatening people, often young black men, being killed by police without accountability fuels frustration and mistrust. The broad legal leeway given to police officers to use deadly force, as established in cases like Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor, leaves significant discretion for officers to determine if a person poses a danger, leading to acquittals in some cases where deadly force was used. Ultimately, progress towards a better relationship between law enforcement and these communities requires addressing the root cause: ensuring fairness and accountability.

    • Examining police officers' testimonies and prosecutors' rolesThe public and justice system must critically evaluate police officers' testimonies and prosecutors' decisions to ensure fairness and justice for all parties involved. Recommended books include 'Just Mercy', 'The Short and Tragic Life of Robert Peace', and 'My Beloved World' for deeper understanding.

      The legal system does not always hold police officers accountable for their actions, even when those actions result in harm or death to civilians. This is evident in the lack of convictions or even charges in many cases where police officers have used excessive force or made questionable decisions. The public and the justice system as a whole need to critically evaluate the credibility of police officers' testimonies and consider the circumstances of each case to ensure fairness and justice for all parties involved. Angela Davis, a renowned political activist, scholar, and author, recently shared her thoughts on this issue during an interview on The Ezra Klein Show. She discussed the importance of examining the credibility of police officers' testimonies and the role of prosecutors in deciding whether to bring charges against officers. Davis also recommended several books, including "Just Mercy" by Bryan Stevenson, "The Short and Tragic Life of Robert Peace" by Jeff Hobbs, and "My Beloved World" by Sonia Sotomayor, that provide insight into the criminal justice system and the experiences of individuals who have been unfairly treated within it.

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