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    Why Taking the Time to Write for Customers is Worth It, feat. Brad Telker, CFM Distributors and CFM Sales Academy

    enFebruary 02, 2019
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    About this Episode

    We talk with Brad Telker, the vice president of the Applied Systems Group for CFM Distributors, a distributor of heating, cooling and refrigeration products. He also founded the CFM Sales Academy, a related blog you can find at cfmsalesacademy.com, featuring great sales content for B2B companies in the construction industry. A mechanical engineer by training, Brad is an avid and passionate reader and writer who really believes in the power of content like blogs and video and how it can spark conversation with prospects and customers.

    Topics:

    How he founded cfm Sales Academy, and the challenges he overcame along the way

    The importance and value of content (showcase your expertise "so they know you know what you're talking about")

    How Gary Vaynerchuk inspired and continues to inspire him

    Where he gets ideas for articles

    How to think about ROI when it comes to content marketing

    What he’s reading now - he's on a mission to read as many business books as possible

    Links:

    http://www.cfmsalesacademy.com

    https://www.cfmdistributors.com

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    Capitalizing on Legacy in an Amazon World, feat. Matt Johnson, Spinstak Growth Agency

    Capitalizing on Legacy in an Amazon World, feat. Matt Johnson, Spinstak Growth Agency

    We talk with Matt Johnson of Spinstak Growth Agency. which helps industrial distributors and manufacturers adopt ecommerce and best practices around inbound and outbound marketing. He has a long history in this industry, growing up in a family-owned sign manufacturer, Accuform Signs. He’s also worked with a lot of family-owned distributors. It’s given him a unique take on how those companies can adapt to buyers’ changing expectations in the market.

    Topics:

    The Amazon effect on wholesale distribution

    Capitalizing on legacy

    Bridging the gap between traditional and digital strategies

    Common mistakes distributors make in moving forward with an omnichannel experience

    The buyers’ journey

    Links:

    http://www.spinstak.com

    Why Taking the Time to Write for Customers is Worth It, feat. Brad Telker, CFM Distributors and CFM Sales Academy

    Why Taking the Time to Write for Customers is Worth It, feat. Brad Telker, CFM Distributors and CFM Sales Academy

    We talk with Brad Telker, the vice president of the Applied Systems Group for CFM Distributors, a distributor of heating, cooling and refrigeration products. He also founded the CFM Sales Academy, a related blog you can find at cfmsalesacademy.com, featuring great sales content for B2B companies in the construction industry. A mechanical engineer by training, Brad is an avid and passionate reader and writer who really believes in the power of content like blogs and video and how it can spark conversation with prospects and customers.

    Topics:

    How he founded cfm Sales Academy, and the challenges he overcame along the way

    The importance and value of content (showcase your expertise "so they know you know what you're talking about")

    How Gary Vaynerchuk inspired and continues to inspire him

    Where he gets ideas for articles

    How to think about ROI when it comes to content marketing

    What he’s reading now - he's on a mission to read as many business books as possible

    Links:

    http://www.cfmsalesacademy.com

    https://www.cfmdistributors.com

    Content That Helps Your Customers Succeed, feat. Ranga Bodla, NetSuite

    Content That Helps Your Customers Succeed, feat. Ranga Bodla, NetSuite

    We talk with Ranga Bodla, head of industry marketing for the cloud ERP platform NetSuite (a business unit of Oracle). NetSuite has recently launched Grow Wire, an online publication with articles, podcasts, video, research and more not for the goal of self-promotion but simply to provide resources to companies they want to reach. It’s the ultimate example of content marketing. Ranga also speaks with me about his philosophy when it comes to thought leadership – a phrase that is frequently thrown around, but not always executed well.

    Topics:

    Aligning your brand with thought leadership

    The importance of consistency in content marketing

    Why you should avoid veering into the self-promotional when sponsoring or being featured on a webcast or other channel

    The importance and difficulty of measurement to determine ROI of your content marketing efforts

    How to stand out in a competitive software market

    Links:

    http://www.netsuite.com

    https://www.growwire.com

    Do You Know What Your Customers Want?, feat. Jonathan Bein, Real Results Marketing

    Do You Know What Your Customers Want?, feat. Jonathan Bein, Real Results Marketing

    We talk with Jonathan Bein, managing partner of Real Results Marketing and one of the brains behind a number of research studies in wholesale distribution illustrating trends in B2B marketing, digital adoption and ecommerce. Jonathan and his partners are also the authors of a must-read, "What Customers Want: A Distributor’s Guide to Customer Buying and Shopping Preferences," which is based on their survey of nearly 10,000 end-customers. In short, it’s a very powerful report on what customers want from their suppliers.

    Topics:

    Shopping and buying is all about the customer’s efficiency. This is especially important online.

    As field sales declines in importance and e-commerce grows, a multichannel approach becomes increasingly important. All channels can drive business on all other channels.

    Millennials, who have already moved into decision-making positions and outnumber Baby Boomers in the labor force, have demonstrated a different approach to shopping and buying that leans digital. This can’t be ignored.

    It has never been more important to differentiate your company than in today’s competitive markets. The importance of having a strong, credible value proposition is essential and will be the key to differentiating the value of your distribution company.

    Links:

    http://www.realresultsmarketing.com

    https://www.mdm.com/products/category/2548-what-customers-want

    Engaging Prospects Who Aren’t Ready to Buy feat. Nina Baker, Tribute Software

    Engaging Prospects Who Aren’t Ready to Buy feat. Nina Baker, Tribute Software

    Nina Baker is marketing specialist at Tribute Software, a niche ERP provider in the fluid power distribution channel. She does a great job of engaging prospects even when they’re not in a positionto buy or switch suppliers. That’s critical in software, which companies buy infrequently.

    Websites/resources mentioned:
    3aspensmedia.com
    blog.tribute.com

    Podcast episode highlights:

    How Tribute is in the industry, and not just speaking to it. “One of the things that I thought about was how can I lure people into reading our blog? I had already joined groups that talk about ERP software and whatever else. The one thing I noticed was that people who wrote a lot about ERP software and they made comments, all their competitors would jump on and talk about stuff, but I hardly saw the users or perspective buyers there. So I tried to come around from what my customer's perspective would be. What are they going to be looking for as far as information out on the web? One of the reasons is they don't make a purchase of our type of software very often. So if I'm going to be talking about my software all the time they're not going to look at my site very often because they don't make that type of decisions every day. It's not something that they're looking for information on, maybe once every 8-10 years. I thought let me blog about the stuff that's important to them and it also helps our customer base because, if they grow, then we as a company grow and become successful. If I blog about industry things, it demonstrates that we are involved in the industry and we have some expertise in the industry. If I'm blogging about subjects that our customers or prospects are drawn to, then they find out about our company because I always put a call to action in at the end of the article. So that draws people to us or makes our company name in their mind as someone who is in the industry and understands the industry.”

    Why consistency is everything. “What I would concentrate on is to find someone within your company that is committed to doing it because it does take a lot of time, and to have some writing chops and would post on a regular basis. I mean it's not going to do any good if you start it up and then have it whither on the vine after a few months. I post twice a week. Every Monday and Thursday, and some people post more, some people post less, but it's important to just get started and to do it on a regular basis. If they don't have someone like that at their company, and a lot of our customers don't, they're running pretty lean and they already wear several hats as it is. Then I think it's important to hire somebody to do it, and someone that is going to understand your business and what you want to accomplish with that blog. You know, as you say, content is king now and it's true now more than ever. I think it's really important that you get your name out there on a regular basis because web sites are fairly static. They don't change that often. It's hard to change them, and a blog is a way for you to constantly putting material out there on the internet and increase the chances of somebody finding you and everyone starts their search online anymore.”

    How to measure ROI of a content marketing effort. “I would say it is difficult to measure the ROI. We have had a couple of sales where people have told us, because I always ask ‘how did you find us?’ I've had a couple that have said, ‘oh, I found you through your blog. You posted an article about such and such product that I used and through that I found you.’ Another way that I measure ROI is because I do repurpose those blog articles, I put them in newsletters, I put them on LinkedIn, I put them on Facebook, so when I see those clicks, then I can tell whether they're working or not. People are interested. Especially when I send them out through our email services, because I'll send out a prospect newsletter once a month and I put those articles in there and then I can monitor that and see exactly how many clicks I get on those and who is clicking on that. If someone is looking at a particular item of interest, I can send them a letter or packet of information because I have that information in my email database of exactly who's looking at that article.”

    Why emails don’t always have to be in the form of a blatant sales pitch. “My philosophy is I want to remind our prospect that we're out there. Keep us top of mind and I don't want to insult them or be obnoxious and flood their mailbox with information about our company. I get stuff like that and the first thing I do is block that person because I'm busy, I don't want to read a bunch of stuff that isn't pertinent to me and the more pushy you are, the more irritated I get. I try to respect our customer base and our prospect list and just send out information once a month. It's just a compendium of blog articles that I've published in the last month, plus any other information that I might think is useful to them. I try to put in a customer spotlight of ours. Usually once a month and those are always a really popular.”

    On choosing the right social media platforms. “Our company doesn't have accounts with Pinterest or Instagram or Snapchat because basically I don't have that many hours in a day and the audience I want to reach aren't there on a professional level, so there's no point. I found that LinkedIn works really well for the people that I'm trying to reach at my company. So, that's a challenge. Facebook use is increasing but I don't use it right now as a huge source of leads but it's also a way for our company to show a personal side of our company, our staff. Since we are smaller, we like our customers to get to know us and that's one of the things that we push in our marketing efforts. If you buy software from us, you'll get to know us, so that's what we use Facebook for. Talking about our community service projects, that sort of thing.”

    The importance of marketing to existing customers. “Part of my marketing efforts also include marketing in house versus prospects. What we do is send out a bi-weekly newsletter to our customers, and it talks about what we're doing as a company. Things that are coming up; we have an annual users group meeting that's coming up in June so of course we talk a lot about that. I always include software tips and tricks, so people might open it just for that. We talk about our training classes. We talk about third-party software products and vendors. I always put in links to the latest blog articles, so they're repurposed yet again. Our most popular segment in that newsletter is, I always do something about customer news.”

    Look Outside for Inspiration feat. John Dupra of Revel Woods

    Look Outside for Inspiration feat. John Dupra of Revel Woods

    John Dupra is co-founder of Revel Woods at revelwoods.com. Revel Woods is a company that was borne out of his family’s business, Installers Warehouse, a hardwood flooring wholesaler-distributor. Revel Woods is a new approach to e-commerce and digital in a traditional industry. Dupra and his colleagues took inspiration from clothing delivery services like Stitchfix and Trunk Club. Looking outside your industry for ideas and inspiration is what needs to happen to compete more effectively, especially online, with big-box stores and online competitors like Amazon.

    Websites/resources mentioned:
    3aspensmedia.com
    revelwoods.com
    trunkclub.com
    stitchfix.com

    Podcast episode highlights:

    Whether Amazon is truly a threat to the hardwoods flooring industry. “Amazon is a threat to literally every industry I guess if you're not them. They have a lot of money. I hear they don't make money, but I hear they have a lot of it in terms of being profitable. I don't know, they don't show me their financials, but I've seen enough sources to suggest that they don't necessarily run at a profit, but that is how a lot of modern businesses work. Amazon is like the king of e-commerce and they have a fairly specific way that they go about this. So your question then do I see them as a threat, I see them as a distant potential threat, but I'm not seeing enough in the short-term because as somebody who started in an e-commerce business in flooring and looked at, extensively, different models that existed and decided to do one that didn't exist for the same reason. I would imagine that they're really smart over there. They have to be aware of the pitfalls that we saw. I'm sure their research on the same things, which is probably why we haven't seen them blast into this market yet the way they did with say the purchase of Whole Foods.”

    How Revel Woods came about. “That was less interesting to me to just say OK well let's grab a Shopify template, take some pictures of the flooring samples we already offer here. Slap them on the internet for dirt cheap and see if we can just shove it out the door. We thought if we're going to do this we need to do something that's truly going to be special and is actually going to solve these problems. Could we create something, it's going to be harder, but could we create something that would be lasting, that would have a long-term effect that's self-ustaining, that doesn't require you to go into a showroom somewhere in Omaha so that we can steal that person's sale. We're a wholesaler whose salespeople in our market that are those exact retailers. We weren't going to try and steal sales that we know, and love, and care about those people and their businesses and have continued to try to help them grow even through this process. We just weren't going to do that. Whatever we were going to do it wasn't going to be that. … I found a clothing website. I'm trying to remember what it's called, it's like Men's Style Lab. I don't think they exist anymore. It was basically like Stitch Fix or Trunk Club when Trunk Club was originally launched before Nordstrom bought them. … a light bulb went on.”

    The challenges of building something that did not yet exist. “A lot of late nights, a lot of adult beverages, a lot of yelling at each other, refining it, pitching it to my father, who was the ultimate decision-maker in this. He basically let us run with it and he lent his expertise, but he gave us the authority to say, ‘You're this generation. Why don't you dig in and figure out what this needs to look like.’ What about the freight? What about the client, how do we determine that? We ended up using the zip code to cross reference with climate ratings. … We couldn't just slap this thing together in a weekend on Squarespace and call it a day. This thing had to be custom built, there was just no way around it as far as we knew.”

    Applying an offline business model online. “Our thought process was this generation wants to be able to research anonymously and they don't want to be bothered all the time, so our technology allowed them to get really all the way through the process if they wanted without talking to a specialist. It didn't require talking to a specialist, but that option is still there if you needed it.”

    Evolving the approach as conditions change. “We have needed to be flexible. I can't say everybody needs to be flexible. I can speak for myself though. Here's one of the interesting things we notice when we started this. We really were thinking consumer first when we started this. I'm almost embarrassed to admit it now but it's true. We were thinking yeah, homeowners are going to love this, it's going to simplify the process for them, it's going to make this more efficient, they're going to love it. They're going to love the quiz. People love quizzes. What we noticed was we are selling a product that most consumers buy what, maybe three times in their life so that's not a lot. … So educating the consumer is great, but how you did it, and how you expect them to learn it, and how they're getting this message ... it's a tall order, a real tall order. What we noticed is that we were solving a problem for homeowners that they didn't know they had. … What we did see is professional installers who don't have showrooms and that we basically opened a showroom in their pocket. So through our pro account they could use this selection tool, they could be onsite with the customer, in the customer's home. If the customer says they want pre-finished they could be on the site right there going through the process with them with an iPad and say, ‘Okay, here's some options. I'll have the samples ... Put your email address in here. It's $10, we'll have the samples shipped right here, they'll be here in a couple days. Let me know what you pick,’ or you even buy it.

    Don't Be Afraid to Give Too Much Away feat. Dirk Beveridge, UnleashWD

    Don't Be Afraid to Give Too Much Away feat. Dirk Beveridge, UnleashWD

    Dirk Beveridge is the founder of UnleashWD, a boutique consulting company out of Barrington, Illinois. His mission: to help distributors rethink what it means to be sustainable, relevant and profitable in this age of rapid change and disruption. He truly believes that the leaders of distribution businesses find themselves at a point and time in their career where they are being called to lead their companies into a new age, and it's going to require innovation, change, transformation, leadership at a greater speed than ever before.

    In this podcast, we talk not only about Dirk’s mission to bring innovation to a traditional industry but also how he’s gained traction with his audience using events, effective and authentic email marketing, and thought leadership. He used to be afraid to “give too much away” but he’s now an open book, and as a result is reaching more companies than ever before.

    Websites/resources mentioned:
    3aspensmedia.com ;
    myinnovativemindset.com ;
    unleashwd.com

    Podcast episode highlights:

    Why innovation isn’t just a buzzword. “This world's changing around us. We can talk about those changes, and what made us sustainable in the past is not necessarily going to make us sustainable in the future. What made our business relevant to our suppliers and to our market, and to our customers in the past, is not necessarily going to make us relevant in the future, and what made us profitable in the past is not necessarily going to make us profitable in the future, and so the question becomes how do we, as leaders, ensure relevance, sustainability and profitability in the future? I believe the answer is, in fact, that word that so many think is a buzzword, and the answer to the question is innovation. Innovation is not a buzzword. It cannot be a buzzword. It has to be real, it has to be meaningful in our businesses.”

    Top challenges distributors are facing (and why innovation is required). “You know I'm part consultant and you ask me to limit something to one or two? I think through some real recent work and conversations and research we've done, one lens to look at these challenges that all businesses are going through, I call them the six Ss of rapid change: speed, shift, size, skills, significance and skepticism.”

    How Dirk has engaged with the industry that he’s targeting through great content, including a podcast, email marketing and events, and incorporating his personality as well as the voice of the customer into everything he does. He talks about why he’s done a 180 and shares his knowledge more openly now. “It took me a long time to realize that, Lindsay. You know, I think my position has shifted on that 180 degrees over the last 20 years, quite frankly. We used to keep all of our content in a vault, right? When we do our keynote speeches, we used to never share our slides, right? We used to never allow people to audiotape them or videotape them, because the fear was that's how we make our money, right? But in today's day and age, I think you have no alternative but to share your knowledge, and I believe in the thought process that thought leadership is market leadership. People don't want to be sold to anymore. People want to be led to insight. They want to be led to new solutions. They want to be led to new outcomes, and in our business, I think the best way to do that is to give our best information away for free, because you know, if I'm fortunate enough for the last two years to broadcast on our podcast, Innovate for the Future, every Monday, brilliant interviews I've had with brilliant leaders, and I can get people to listen and help them, not today, but at some time in the future, they're going to say, ‘You know, I need that speaker. I need this individual to help me develop the strategy for my organization.’ We really need to get our leadership to understand how to develop a culture of innovation, and we need to break the sameness trap. Well, what's going to happen is it's going to spark in their mind, who was it that started that conversation for me? It was that piece of content that did it, so yeah, I think you have to put yourself out there. I think we have to allow ourselves to be vulnerable. We have to be transparent. We have to give to the world, to the market, our best, and it's only when the market and the world sees you at your best, will they realize the value that you can provide to them, and thus reach out to you.”

    The importance of authenticity and transparency in content marketing. “I think it's absolutely critical that you have a position, that you have a belief, a firm belief, A, because that's who you are, but B, it is such a noisy world out there, right, that you have to break through, and the only way I know how to break through is by having a strong stance of your core, fundamental beliefs. One of the things we've done, Lindsay, that I continue to use, is one day I sat down and I asked myself what do I believe? It came out to be 34 statements that I put together in what I call my Innovation Manifesto. It's published out there and if you want to know who Dirk Beveridge is, if you want to know what we stand for, if you want to know what is the thread, the golden thread that runs through our articles, through our podcasts, through our consulting, through our speeches, well you look at this one document, 34 statements, and you'll know who Dirk Beveridge is, and by the way, you will either agree with Dirk Beveridge and boy, I hope you do, man, because let's get together and let's talk. I can learn from you, you can learn from me, or you're going to think I'm full of it. You're going to think I'm full of crap, and I'll repel you, and that's okay. That's okay, because I want to find those organizations, those companies, who believe what I believe.”

    How and why he started his event UnleashWD. “Even though I bring speakers onto the UnleashWD stage, it allows me to get my point of view through the voices of other people out there into the world. UnleashWD is something I'm very proud of. It's an innovation conference for the industry of distribution, but it's an industry conference with no industry speakers. I have joked that if you know what the word supply chain means, you're not invited to speak on my stage, right? This is another belief, fundamental belief I've got. I believe that we've been too incestuous. Electrical distributors hang with electrical distributors. Plumbing distributors hang with plumbing distributors. Flooring distributors hang with flooring distributors. What happens is we become incestuous and we stop injecting new ideas into this industry, so six years ago I started UnleashWD. Our seventh annual is going to be held this October here in Chicago, and what I do, Lindsay, is I put on stage 15 or so brilliant leaders, disruptors and innovators, all from outside of distribution.”

    The ROI of content marketing. ”I tell you what, if you go to bed thinking like that, you are never going to sleep, right? You have to believe in your gut, in your heart, in your soul, that educating the market is the right thing to do. Now, if you don't believe that, don't start a podcast. Don't start a blog. Certainly don't create a new event out of the ether. You either believe in the rightness, that's what I'll say. You either believe in the rightness of educating your marketplace or you don't. I think in today's world, we all want content of value, and once you find that secret sauce... And it's not easy. You know it, Lindsay, that's your business. But once you find that golden thread that makes you different, that brings new thinking, new insights, new value to the marketplace, over time, over time, people will start to take notice. But you need the discipline, you need the persistence, you need the patience, and you'll have all those things if you really believe that it's the right thing to do.”

    Doing email marketing well. “I'm going to be completely transparent here, Lindsay. I'm sitting back saying, ‘Holy Christ. I've got to get better at this. I've got to get better at storytelling. I've got to get better at segmenting my list. I've got to get better at speaking directly to this person about what's on this person's mind. I've got to get better at the consistency of it all.’ We've got media calendars and the like, but again, I'll use a word I used earlier. This is hard stuff, and it requires a real commitment, so thanks for the kind words. I think some of the keys to it all, knowing that I've got to get better at it, is number one, you have to speak to a targeted audience about what's on their mind. People talk about personas. People talk about entering the conversation, in the prospect's mind, where they are at, and it's all about really understanding your readership and your customer and speaking directly to the issues that are on their mind. I think storytelling is critical in today's day and age. People don't want to be lectured. People don't want just data dumps. They want to be romanced. They want their heart and soul to be touched, I truly believe, as much as their mind, and so finding that ability to tell good stories, in both long and short form, I think is critical.

    Why it’s important to focus on the mediums that leverage your strengths. “I agree 100%, 100%, and let me just add one other thing. Don't be afraid to ask for help, right? I mean, you're in this business, Lindsay, of doing exactly that, right? Bringing in new perspective, giving somebody additional bandwidth, being able to bring a new perspective through your expertise and through, like you said, your willingness to do the hard work of the interviews of your client's customers and the like. I'll throw out there in addition to everything else you said, you know, I'd really encourage your listeners to not be afraid to ask for help in developing the strategy and then also the execution of their content marketing. I think you'd be a great place to start that conversation.”

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