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    Why we're still postmodern (whatever that means)

    enAugust 08, 2022

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    • Exploring the Complexities of Mercury, Wise, and PostmodernismMercury and Wise provide practical financial solutions, while postmodernism challenges traditional beliefs and emphasizes complexity and pluralism, shaping our modern world, including politics and personal life.

      Mercury and Wise offer simplified solutions for complex financial tasks, allowing businesses and individuals to manage their finances efficiently and effectively. Postmodernism, on the other hand, is a complex intellectual movement that started in the mid-20th century, challenging traditional beliefs about human nature, dialogue, and consensus. It's often criticized for abolishing standards and promoting moral relativism, but it's worth understanding as it shapes our modern world, emphasizing pluralism and complexity. Trump's unpredictable behavior and the chaotic state of politics reflect this postmodern world, where consensus and dialogue are increasingly difficult to achieve. In our personal lives, managing our homes and families can be overwhelming, but understanding these concepts can help us navigate the complexities of our world. In his new book, Stuart Jeffries explores how postmodernism revolutionized our culture and politics, making it an essential topic to understand.

    • Postmodernism: A rebellion against modernism's earnest ethosPostmodernism marked the end of fixed foundations in the economy and philosophy, leading to instability, consumerism, and a loss of fixed meanings

      Postmodernism, as a cultural and intellectual movement, emerged in the wake of modernism and represented a rebellion against its earnest, austere, and joyless ethos. Postmodernism championed expression and fun, but it also served as a cultural handmaiden to neoliberalism, a new form of capitalism that thrives on consumerism and the free flow of money. The pivotal moment for this shift is marked by Richard Nixon's decision to remove the US dollar from the gold standard in 1971, which signaled the end of fixed foundations in the economy and ushered in an era of instability, credit explosion, and consumerism. This economic upheaval mirrored the philosophical shift in postmodern theory, where the author's role as a guarantor of meaning was replaced by the reader, leading to a loss of fixed meanings and a recognition that language and reality are constructed and subjective.

    • Living in a Post-Truth World: Neoliberalism and the Erosion of the StateNeoliberalism's cultural shift has led to individualism, market society, and a distrust of government, with postmodernism inadvertently fueling this amoral capitulation.

      We live in a post-truth world where objective truth and fixed meaning have lost their privileged status, paving the way for the triumph of individualism and the erosion of the state as a meaningful actor in social life. This cultural shift, driven by neoliberalism, has led us to become atomized consumers and has resonated deeply in societies with a strong resentment towards government intervention and taxation. Postmodernism, intended as a subversive movement to challenge order and authority, has ironically become the catalyst for a total amoral capitulation to market society. The speaker's personal experience growing up during the implementation of neoliberal policies in the UK has shaped their focus on this paradigm as the defining force of our time.

    • Postmodernism's failed revolutionPostmodernism, a radical critique of modern society, was co-opted by capitalism, turning desire and scientific progress into tools for consumerism and profit.

      Postmodernism, a philosophical movement that emerged in the late 20th century, was intended to be a radical critique of modern society and its values. However, it ultimately became co-opted by consumer and market society, losing its political potential and becoming just another tool for capitalism. Thinkers like Deleuze and Lyotard, who were born out of the disappointment of the failed student rebellions in Paris in 1968, saw desire and scientific endeavor as revolutionary forces. However, these ideas were later co-opted by capitalism, turning desire into a tool for consumerism and scientific progress into a money-based pursuit. The relationship between postmodernism and neoliberalism is complex, as neoliberalism seems to have built the stuff that it wants, but postmodernism could have been used as a critique of neoliberalism's foundational principle of individualism. Unfortunately, this did not happen, and capitalism continued to win. In essence, postmodernism's rejection of objective truth and its emphasis on the relativity of all things became a fair summary of the movement, but it failed to bring about the revolutionary change that its proponents had hoped for.

    • Postmodernism and Wise: Simplifying ComplexitiesPostmodernism emphasizes individualism and acknowledges the world's contingency, while Wise simplifies international money transactions with transparency.

      Wise is a financial service that offers real-time currency exchange with no hidden fees or markups, making international money transactions simpler and more transparent. Meanwhile, in the realm of philosophy, postmodernism is often misunderstood as moral relativism, but many postmodern thinkers, like Richard Rorty, argue for the importance of acknowledging the world's contingency and focusing on solidarity rather than metaphysical progress. However, moral relativism is a misnomer, as no one truly believes their moral values are arbitrary. Postmodern politics can be seen as conservative due to its emphasis on individualism, which can undermine collective projects. The connection between postmodernism and neoliberalism is that politics becomes a personal issue and space for self-expression when grand ideologies and world historical projects are absent, creating a tension between individualism and collective action.

    • Individual self-interest and consumption dominate in today's societyThe neoliberal era has prioritized individual cost-benefit calculations, moving away from a collective vision of society and citizenship, rooted in skepticism towards government and collective efforts post-WWII, further solidified by the Internet's co-optation into capitalism.

      Our current political and cultural climate has shifted towards individual self-interest and consumption, moving away from a collective vision of society and citizenship. This trend, rooted in neoliberalism, has reduced our aspirations to individual cost-benefit calculations and left us with a moral and political dead end. This shift can be traced back to the post-World War II era, when skepticism towards government and collective efforts emerged in response to the toxicity of fascism and communism. The Internet, initially seen as a countercultural force, has since been co-opted into capitalism, further solidifying this individualistic mindset. The idea that postmodernism, which emphasized irony and frivolity, died with the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, is curious because the Internet, a key aspect of postmodern culture, has only grown more influential and intensely realized. Despite this, the vision of a collective society, with noble objectives that benefit society as a whole, remains worth holding onto.

    • The illusion of freedom online leads to a new surveillance societyOnline world offers an illusion of freedom, but in reality, it establishes a new surveillance society that manipulates individuals to conform to capitalistic desires.

      The internet, while offering individuals the ability to curate their virtual world and live out fantasies, also creates an illusion of freedom and fulfillment, while in reality, it establishes a new surveillance society that manipulates and pushes individuals to conform to capitalistic desires. The postmodern dream of becoming something other than oneself online can be deceptive, as our desires are often manufactured to benefit the amoral virus of capitalism. The culture we live in today, with its confusion and vacuity, can be seen as a postmodern society, but one where we are all active participants in our own surveillance and manipulation. This is a grim analysis, but an accurate reflection of the complex relationship between technology, individual identity, and societal control.

    • Navigating the Complex Cultural Landscape of the Postmodern EraThe postmodern era is marked by an overwhelming abundance of choices and products in various forms of culture, reflecting societal values and offering opportunities for creativity and self-expression.

      The postmodern era, as discussed, is characterized by an overwhelming abundance of choices and products in various forms of culture. This can be disorienting and tiring, but it's not necessarily intentional or the result of a malevolent force. Instead, it's a reflection of the era's emphasis on artifice and the blurring of lines between reality and simulation. For example, popular art and entertainment, such as Seinfeld or Grand Theft Auto, can seem empty or meaningless, but they also reflect and reinforce societal values, such as capitalism and neoliberalism. Milton's ability to read every published book in the 17th century is a stark contrast to the current cultural landscape, where it's impossible to consume all the available media. Ultimately, navigating this complex and ever-changing cultural landscape can be a challenge, but it's also an opportunity to explore new avenues of creativity and self-expression.

    • Tarantino's films reflect morally vacuous consumer cultureTarantino's films, though entertaining, lack deeper meaning or political engagement, reflecting the shift towards consumerism in the 1960s and its impact on subsequent generations

      Quentin Tarantino's films, despite their wit, intelligence, and mesmerizing style, lack a moral compass and can be seen as a reflection of the morally vacuous consumer culture during a certain period. The speaker expresses a sense of unease about enjoying these films, recognizing the lack of political engagement or deeper meaning, but also acknowledges that art doesn't have to serve a political project. The conversation also touches on the idea that the countercultural movement of the 1960s failed, leading to a generation of boomer leaders embracing consumerism and rebranding it as cool and hip, rather than engaging in real politics. This shift is seen as a form of managerial capitalism that gives people what they want but also conditions them to desire certain things.

    • Blurred lines between online and offline experiencesThe overuse of digital technology can lead to a loss of privacy and a sense of being manipulated, requiring more thoughtfulness, kindness, and earnestness to foster meaningful connections and create an authentic world.

      The increasing use of digital technology, exemplified by smartphones and targeted advertising, can blur the lines between our online and offline experiences, leading to a sense of paranoia and a loss of privacy. This, in turn, can make us feel like instruments rather than creators. Postmodern thinkers, who deconstructed values and institutions, were reckless in their approach and some of their political views have proven to be vacuous or dubious. The pervasive use of irony in our culture, which was once a rebellious tool, has become spiritually corrupting and empty. Instead, we need more thoughtfulness, kindness, and earnestness to foster meaningful connections and create a more authentic and engaging world.

    • Postmodern Society: Truth and Reality as Subjective and MallableThe speaker argues that we live in a postmodern society where truth and reality are manipulated for entertainment, with leaders like Trump and Johnson as examples. He doubts the possibility of a return to a truth-oriented society.

      The speaker believes that we are currently living in a postmodern society where truth and reality have become subjective and malleable. He uses the example of Donald Trump and Boris Johnson as leaders who have successfully manipulated this cultural shift, leading people to view politics as entertainment rather than a serious matter. The speaker also expresses skepticism about the possibility of a return to a more truth-oriented society, suggesting that we may be stuck in this postmodern era indefinitely. He expresses a sense of resignation and lack of hope for progress or meaningful change.

    • Exploring the Disastrous Effects of PostmodernismUnderstanding postmodernism's impact on politics, entertainment, and society in the Internet age and neoliberalism is crucial, despite its unpleasant aspects.

      The author, Stuart Jeffries, explores the disastrous effects of postmodernism on politics, entertainment, and society in his book "Everything All the Time Everywhere." He initially resisted writing the book due to his dislike for some aspects of postmodern culture, but saw the value in examining its impact on the Internet age and neoliberalism. The journey of understanding postmodernism is a challenging one, as it involves engaging with art, literature, and architecture that the author finds unpleasant. However, he argues that it's crucial to understand the concept of living in a postmodern world, even if it means confronting its emptiness and loss of meaning. The conversation between Jeffries and the interviewer touches on the implications of reality TV and the commodification of desire, as well as the impact of postmodernism on urban landscapes. Overall, the book serves as a heroic attempt to make sense of a complex and often dismal reality.

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