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    Zoltan Pozsar and Perry Mehrling On The Historic Crisis Of Financial Market Plumbing

    enMarch 30, 2020

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    • Understanding Market Volatility and Monetary System Strain with Local Insights and Global PerspectivesDuring market volatility, it's crucial to have a well-informed perspective from experts with local insights and global perspectives. Lack of liquidity can be detrimental.

      During times of market volatility and monetary system strain, such as the recent repo market madness, it's crucial to have a comprehensive understanding of the situation from experts with local insights and global perspectives. Principal Asset Management, a real estate manager with a 360-degree perspective, delivers this expertise across public and private equity and debt. Zoltan Pozner of Credit Suisse and Perry Merling of Boston University, two heavy hitters in the financial world, discussed the current situation and its far-reaching implications. They highlighted conflicting reports from bank treasurers, with some reporting a drop in demand due to business models, while others reported corporations bleeding cash and dollars becoming tight. This lack of liquidity can be detrimental, emphasizing the importance of a well-informed perspective during financial turmoil.

    • IP shock and supply chain disruptions causing payment imbalancesThe Fed acted as the dealer of last resort to prevent a deeper crisis in the dollar funding system during the global dash for cash caused by payment imbalances due to IP shock and supply chain disruptions.

      The current economic situation, caused by the IP shock and resulting supply chain disruptions, has led to a significant imbalance between surplus and deficit agents. This imbalance has made it difficult for banks to clear these imbalances, leading to a global dash for cash and dislocation in the treasury bond market. The Fed stepped in as the dealer of last resort to prevent a deeper crisis in the dollar funding system. The dollar, being the orphan child of the funding market crisis, has historically been overlooked, but the Fed's quick and impressive response in this episode sets it apart. The payment chain being in reverse means that those not producing are not getting payments, leading to a payment deficit for some, while those who are not producing have dollar surpluses. The uncertainty and depth of these deficits have made banks hesitant to step in and clear the imbalances, leading to stresses in the interbank market.

    • Fed's Unprecedented Steps to Provide Liquidity During the Financial CrisisThe Fed expanded swap lines to 10 new countries and launched new facilities to meet the demand for dollar cash during the financial crisis, acknowledging the dollar's role as the global currency.

      During the current financial crisis, the Federal Reserve has taken unprecedented steps to provide liquidity to the financial system by expanding swap lines to 10 new countries and launching new facilities. The importance of dollar funding lies in the fact that the dollar is the global currency, and the Fed is the only central bank that can print it. With the "dash for cash" and dealers feeling constrained in meeting demands, the Fed has expanded its balance sheet to meet the demand for cash. However, the crisis goes beyond just a liquidity problem as the shock to the global supply chain is causing a repricing of assets worldwide, which is a significant challenge for the dealer community.

    • The Fed as the 'Dealer of First Resort'The Fed is providing market making and price setting in core areas to prevent financial system collapse, but disruption continues in industries uncertain to survive the crisis.

      The current economic crisis has caused significant disruptions to the financial markets, making it difficult to determine value and set prices. The dealer community, which typically facilitates price discovery, is impaired due to liquidity problems and the need to provide forbearance to customers. This has led to a finite balance sheet for market making, making it a luxury rather than a necessity. The Federal Reserve has stepped in as the "dealer of first resort" to provide market making and price setting in specific core areas, preventing the entire financial system from collapsing. However, there is still a lot of disruption in the markets as value discovery is not as clear in industries that may not survive the crisis. The US government's ability to borrow and survive the crisis makes treasuries a good asset, but the future of other industries is uncertain.

    • Government's Role in Facilitating Capital ReallocationThe government, through fiscal policy, is crucial for reallocating capital during an economic crisis, while the Fed's role is to provide liquidity in core markets.

      The current economic crisis requires a significant reallocation of capital, and the government, particularly through fiscal policy, plays a crucial role in facilitating this shift. The Fed's role is primarily to provide liquidity in core markets, not to take on credit risk or prop up industries that may not exist post-crisis. The market's reflexes may not change despite the crisis, but long-term implications for viable debt and sectors are uncertain. The Fed's actions, such as buying credit on a large scale, come with uncertainties, including who can issue into the facilities, at what price, and what happens if the crisis persists beyond expectations.

    • Banking regulations prevent crisis during volatile economic periodRegulations since 2008 financial crisis have fortified banking system with liquidity and capital buffers, preventing a crisis during current economic volatility

      The banking regulations implemented since the 2008 financial crisis, such as holding high quality liquid asset portfolios and limiting balance sheets, have played a crucial role in preventing a banking crisis during the current volatile economic period. These measures have elongated response times and fortified the banking system with liquidity and capital buffers. Despite some jurisdictional differences, the regulations have helped bridge liquidity gaps and prevent a viral outbreak of a banking crisis. While there are discussions about easing regulations for market making, it is essential to prioritize maintaining stability in the banking system and ensuring people do not withdraw their funds. Central banks have the technology and infrastructure to act as market makers, and government guarantees and central bank funding can support the financing of the war effort.

    • Considering the economy's interconnectedness during crisesEffective fiscal packages and central bank operations can help mitigate the spread of economic crises by maintaining cash flow and preventing a multiplier effect.

      During times of economic crisis, it's essential to consider the interconnectedness of cash inflows and outflows within the economy. Stopping payments to build up cash balances may seem like a solution, but it can lead to a multiplier effect, causing hardship for others and potentially spreading the crisis further. Instead, fiscal packages and central bank operations can help mitigate the spread and keep the economy functioning. The recent fiscal package and the Fed's actions, such as liquidity swaps and commercial paper facilities, are examples of this. The Fed has the tools to address issues beyond traditional banking systems, but it's crucial to wield them effectively and ensure a proper calibration of various components. The ongoing challenges in the money market mutual funds and the repo market highlight the need for continued attention and action.

    • Shadow banking system's return with FX swapsThe shadow banking system is resurfacing with foreign investors borrowing dollars in FX swaps to buy US assets, requiring local central banks to lend dollars directly to end users, bridging the gap between demand and banks' limited balance sheets.

      The shadow banking system, which contributed to the financial crisis in 2008 through carry trading and money market funding of capital market lending, is making a comeback in the form of foreign investors borrowing dollars in the FX swap market to buy higher-yielding assets in the US, hedging back to their local currencies. The Fed is once again backstopping this system, but the responsibility now lies with local central banks to lend dollars directly to end users, such as pension funds and life insurance companies. This shift could help bridge the gap between the banks' limited balance sheets and the demand for dollars from end users. The post-crisis landscape continues to be characterized by uncertainty and risks, and it's important for central banks to adapt and broaden their approach to supporting markets rather than just institutions.

    • Impact of Global Crisis on Long-Term Financial ObligationsThe economic recovery is expected to be 'V' shaped but the future direction is uncertain. Long-term financial regulations may become tougher due to the crisis's impact on finance. Prepare for future uncertainties as tail risks have become a reality.

      The economic landscape has been drastically changed by the current global crisis, and the future commitment to long-term financial obligations may be affected. The recovery is expected to be "V" shaped, but the direction for the future is uncertain. The financial system, particularly the offshore system, expanded after the 2008 crisis, but the emerging direction is unknown. Zolton sees the long-term implications for the financial system being significant, with regulations likely to be tougher due to the impact of the crisis on finance. The tail risks that were once considered unlikely have become a reality, and it is essential to prepare for future uncertainties.

    • Fortifying Regulations, Revaluating Supply Chains, and Shifting Investment StrategiesIn the wake of the economic crisis, there's a call for stronger financial regulations, rethinking long-term supply chains, and a potential shift from global portfolio investing to local financing and sovereign debt.

      The financial world is facing significant changes in the aftermath of the economic crisis. Firstly, there is a need to fortify financial regulations beyond Basel 3 to prevent future crises. Secondly, there will be a reevaluation of long-term supply chains to reduce reliance on single countries for critical items. Thirdly, there may be less emphasis on global portfolio investing and more focus on local financing and sovereign debt. Fourthly, the status of the dollar as the international currency may be challenged, but it remains strong for now. Lastly, while there may be a pullback from real-side globalization, financial globalization could continue due to its efficiency benefits. However, managing this single world currency is a significant responsibility, and it requires effective governance.

    • Uncertainty of the end goal in global economy causing financial market instabilityThe destruction of the last mile of the bridge to the new economic shore is causing financial market instability until a clearer view of the end goal emerges

      The current financial market instability can be attributed to the uncertainty of the end goal in the global economy, as we're in a state of recalibrating globalization. Specialization and efficiency have led to a cash shortage and a run on dollars, highlighting the centrality and power of the Federal Reserve in keeping the financial system afloat. However, the question remains if the Fed will continue to inject dollars into the system in the future. Previous conversations with experts like David Beckworth and Hyun Shin provide insights into the dollar standard we live in and the impact of a stronger dollar on the world economy. The recent market chaos is a result of the destruction of the last mile of the bridge to the new economic shore, and until we have a clearer view of what that looks like, financial markets will remain chaotic.

    • The Significant Demand for the US DollarDuring uncertain times, the US dollar's steady increase in value highlights its role as the world's primary currency, making it a valuable asset to monitor.

      Learning from this episode of the Odd Lots podcast is the significant demand for the US dollar, as evidenced by its steady increase in value, even during the stock market crashes. This demand makes the dollar chart a "jaw dropping" representation of the dollar's status as the world's primary currency. During these uncertain times, the hosts suggest listening to episodes of All Thoughts and examining the dollar chart as a worthwhile use of time. Additionally, Grand Canyon University, an affordable private Christian university, provided nearly $130 million in institutional scholarships to its online students in 2020.

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