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    Explore "valuebasedpricing" with insightful episodes like "How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business", "How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business", "The Secret to Charging What Your Digital Agency Is Worth | Ep #616", "Interview with Jens Ellebaek, Consulting Offerings Manager" and "Why Value Based Pricing is Key For Your Business - (Episode 51)" from podcasts like ""Ask Valor Masterminds", "Ask Valor Masterminds", "Smart Agency Masterclass with Jason Swenk: Podcast for Digital Marketing Agencies", "CPQ Podcast" and "The Engine Builder's Show"" and more!

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    How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business

    How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business

    Are you struggling with pricing your products or services? In this video, we'll share valuable insights on how to shift your pricing mindset and set prices that are both profitable and attractive to customers.

    We'll start by discussing the importance of understanding your value proposition and how it relates to pricing. You'll learn how to identify the unique benefits your business offers and how to communicate that value effectively to your target audience.

    Next, we'll explore different pricing strategies that you can implement to maximize your profits. From cost-plus pricing to value-based pricing, we'll break down each strategy and provide real-life examples to illustrate their effectiveness.

    Additionally, we'll address common challenges and misconceptions around pricing, such as underpricing and fear of losing customers. We'll provide practical tips to overcome these hurdles and show you how to confidently set prices that reflect the true worth of your products or services.

    Whether you're a small business owner, a freelancer, or an entrepreneur, this video will equip you with the knowledge and tools to transform your pricing strategy and increase your bottom line.

    Don't miss out on this opportunity to gain a competitive edge in your industry. Listen now and start shifting your pricing mindset for success!

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    How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business

    How To Shift The Mindset of Pricing for Any Business

    Are you struggling with pricing your products or services? In this video, we'll share valuable insights on how to shift your pricing mindset and set prices that are both profitable and attractive to customers.

    We'll start by discussing the importance of understanding your value proposition and how it relates to pricing. You'll learn how to identify the unique benefits your business offers and how to communicate that value effectively to your target audience.

    Next, we'll explore different pricing strategies that you can implement to maximize your profits. From cost-plus pricing to value-based pricing, we'll break down each strategy and provide real-life examples to illustrate their effectiveness.

    Additionally, we'll address common challenges and misconceptions around pricing, such as underpricing and fear of losing customers. We'll provide practical tips to overcome these hurdles and show you how to confidently set prices that reflect the true worth of your products or services.

    Whether you're a small business owner, a freelancer, or an entrepreneur, this video will equip you with the knowledge and tools to transform your pricing strategy and increase your bottom line.

    Don't miss out on this opportunity to gain a competitive edge in your industry. Listen now and start shifting your pricing mindset for success!

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    The Secret to Charging What Your Digital Agency Is Worth | Ep #616

    The Secret to Charging What Your Digital Agency Is Worth | Ep #616

    Did you know if you keep saying you’re too busy it probably means you’re not charging enough? Are you ready to start charging what your digital agency is worth?

    Being too busy is the quickest way to not only burn yourself out but also your team. I’ve been there, and let me tell you I was on the verge of shutting down my agency from being overworked and undervalued. We were doing so many things wrong. We were talking to the wrong clients, working long hours, and worst of all, barely making ends meet.

    If any of this sounds familiar, it’s time to get out of your own way and start charging what you’re worth.

    How can you get your prices to where they should be?

    1. Understand the value and results your agency delivers.
    2. Build trust with clients through an offer ladder.
    3. Position yourself as an authority in your space.

     

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    In this video, you will learn the three pricing structures you can use to get you to a place where your pricing will both be more on par with the results you deliver and will give you an advantage over other cheaper agencies.

    Most agency owners believe at some point that low prices will give you an advantage over the rest. However, I’d argue that increasing your prices actually works to your advantage. As an adviser, I go through the financials of thousands of agencies, and in up to 90% of cases, I recommend they increase their prices. The suggestion alone makes them back away in fear.

    I get it, most agency owners worry about things like losing the pitch because their prices are too high. However, I counter with “What if you lose the pitch because your pricing is too low?” You don’t think this can happen? It happened to me!

    Years ago I got a call from a prospect that needed a website. I nailed the call and was invited to their office to present an offer. Their office was HUGE. Who was this company? I proceeded to make the pitch and said my price: $10,000. They actually laughed and I was so confused. Was the price too high?

    Well, it turns out this company I'd never heard of, Berkshire Hathaway, was expecting to spend around $300,000 on the website. They loved the pitch and were excited to work with us until I named my price... because it was too low they thought it wouldn't deliver the results they expected.

    So how should your digital agency pricing be structured? How can you come up with a price that shows your value, increases profit, and allows you to win more deals? A lot of businesses tend to set a price and then not think about it again for years. When there’s one element of your business that affects everything other element so much, it’s definitely not something to be forgotten. Pricing should evolve as much as your business does.

    3 Digital Agency Pricing Models

    1. Hourly-Based Pricing

    Should agencies charge by the hour? Honestly, I’m not a fan. This is my absolutely least favorite model. Charging by the hour sounds like a great idea, but as you get better and more efficient at your job you’ll be working fewer hours and thus making less money. It’s also the option that makes clients more nervous because there’s a variable of the unknown. However, I do believe there’s a time for hourly rates. If you’re doing something new and it’s hard to estimate how long it will take you, then it’s the best option.

    2. Value-Based pricing

    This pricing model is the intersection between what your services are worth to the client and what you’re willing to take. Unfortunately, it’s very hard to get a pulse on the perceived value. Try to gather as much information as you can from clients so you can fully understand what they need and how you can help them. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve met with clients and asked them for their budget to find that it’s much higher than I would’ve quoted, so we could have possibly lost revenue or lost the deal altogether.

    3. Performance-Based Pricing

    What if you only got paid for performance? Would you be profitable? Mastery member David was having trouble charging anything more than $3,500 per month. He was in a race to the bottom that involved over-delivering and under-promising. David focused too much on what others in his niche were charging. After hearing countless success stories from other mastermind members, he got the courage to make a change. He picked a client who he knew he could make tons of money for and asked for a percentage of the revenue he would generate for the company as payment. That percentage turned into a $1 million payday six months later.

    The trick when it comes to this model is coming up with a formula to pick the winners. If you generate this company X amount of business, can they scale as quickly as you’re sending them business? What’s the metric you can control? If their sales team won’t return calls then you need to change the performance to an agreed amount of leads.

    Getting Your Prices to What They Should Be

    I’m a big advocate of agencies increasing their prices but it obviously needs to be done in the right way. You can’t just double prices for existing clients right away.

    Mastery member Dean was struggling to afford the team he needed, which led to him doing everything and being close to burning out. We challenged him to raise his prices and he started by doubling his fees for the new clients coming in. To his surprise, they all said yes. Now it was time to turn our attention to existing clients.

    By that time, existing clients were paying 50% of what new clients were paying so he was actually losing money on those accounts. We developed a plan for him to reach out to those clients and let them know the price was increasing. He expected to lose around 50% of these clients but the other 50% would make up for this loss. He actually didn’t lose any clients. They all agreed to pay the increase.

    This resulted in an extra $67,000 per month for his agency with no additional work for his agency.

    Ultimately, your pricing structure will be up to you. Consider your financial goals for the future and ask yourself which structure will get you there the quickest. It’s not about topline revenue but about how you can maximize the profitability of your bottom line.

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    Interview with Jens Ellebaek, Consulting Offerings Manager

    Interview with Jens Ellebaek, Consulting Offerings Manager

    In this episode you hear from Jens Ellebaek, Consulting Offerings Manager at Configit. Jens has 15+ years of business experience and lives with his family in Copenhagen, Denmark. Here he talks about Configit's CPQ Solution, Aftermarket Services, Visual Configuration, Business Intelligence & Analytics, Pricing, customer experience and more

    Why Value Based Pricing is Key For Your Business - (Episode 51)

    Why Value Based Pricing is Key For Your Business - (Episode 51)

    What’s the real value you’re providing as an entrepreneur? When you use value-based pricing instead of cost-plus pricing, you start to create clear and invaluable opportunities for your customer base. Tune in to today’s episode of The Engine Builder’s Show for a simple look at how value-based pricing can quickly grow your business.

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    4: The Seven P's of Marketing

    4: The Seven P's of Marketing

    This week on Marketing Mums, Ann and Anastassia dive into marketing.  

    They discuss how much bigger marketing is than you might suspect. Ann and Anastassia share the seven P's of marketing - Product, Pricing, Promotion, Place, People, Process, and Physical Evidence.

    Additionally, in this episode, Ann & Anastassia add a new segment - Actionable Item. In this segment, they give you one item you can put to work in your business today.

     

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    Episode 27: How to Price Your Products - Pricing Strategies Every Seller Should Know

    Episode 27: How to Price Your Products - Pricing Strategies Every Seller Should Know

    Want to learn how to price your products? In this video, I will show you two eCommerce pricing strategies that every online seller should know.


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    There is no black and white approach when pricing your eCommerce products. There are a number of pricing strategies that you can choose from but remember that not all will work for your kind of business. You need to consider a few factors and do your homework to decide which pricing methods will work best for you.

    In this episode, I will show you the best way on how to price your products and go through two competitive pricing strategies: cost-plus pricing and value-based pricing.

    Product Pricing Strategy #1: Cost Plus Pricing
    Also called as Cost-Based Pricing, this eCommerce pricing strategy is where you work out your costs and then just add a percentage on top of that.

    So here you work out your total cost for the product, which includes the cost of the product from the supplier and any overheads. For example, you might pay your supplier $20 for your product but then the total costs of all your labor, rent, subscriptions and other expenses equal $10 per product. You then add on what’s called a markup, which could be 50%.

    So your total cost is $30 and you add 50% which would be $30 x 1.5 = $45
    Now you may have already seen something a bit tricky here which is that it might be easy for you to work out your cost to suppliers.

    Product Pricing Strategy #1: Value-Based Pricing
    Value-based pricing is where you price the product based on the perceived value from customers. This means selling your products based on what customers are willing to pay. Maybe you are selling a bottle of water that costs you $0.10 to produce, but if you’re selling it at a music festival where people are dying to buy water so they’re willing to pay $8 per bottle.

    If you used cost-based pricing you’d only sell it for a few cents more than $0.10, but with value-based pricing, you’re now selling it for what the market is willing to pay.


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    039 Leveraging Your Value Proposition to Attract More Clients - Part 2 Packaging Irresistible Offers

    039 Leveraging Your Value Proposition to Attract More Clients - Part 2 Packaging Irresistible Offers

    Have you ever put a website or sales page together, heck even created a new service or program, put your best show on in terms of visible value you put out into the world and then at the point of making your offer, you get little engagement, and no sales whatsoever?

    Last week, in part 1 of this two-part series on leveraging your value proposition, we talked about creating visible value in terms of your positioning in the marketplace. And today, we’ll dive into how to package irresistible offers that deliver tangible results to your target market.

    If you’re scratching your head how to leverage your expertise through new products or programs, tune in. I’ll be explaining how a compelling message and irresistible content helps you drive your lead generation and build a targeted list.

    Here’s what we cover:

    - Aligning Your Offer with a Value Proposition

    - The Pleasure Principle of Value-Based Pricing

    - Delivering Your Promise With a Results-Orientated Program

    - Growing Your Customer Base Through a Value Ladder

    - Productizing Your Value Proposition

    - Understanding How Value is Created in Business

    - Packaging Your Value - Building Trust With Potential Clients

    - Communicating Value in Your Sales Conversations

    - Reaching a Global Audience with Your Irresistible Offer.

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    Episode #0056 - Oscar Wilde in the pricing department!

    Episode #0056 - Oscar Wilde in the pricing department!

    In Lady Windemere’s Fan, Oscar Wilde had Lord Darlington quip that a cynic was ‘a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.‘ As with so much of what Wilde wrote or said, it’s more than just a nice turn of phrase – it hits at the heart of the problems of society. Lady Windemere’s Fan was written in 1892, but what Wilde wrote is even more true now than it was 122 years ago. We discuss what it means in pricing - and is it overused and cliched - or does it offer anything value.

     

    If anyone has spent any time whatsoever in the pricing profession you have almost certainly heard the Oscar Wilde quote. I suppose it's a quote. It's actually from one of his plays that goes along the lines of, “what is a cynic?” A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. It's almost been so overused, we want to cover it today. Is it a cliché? Or, does it have any value to people in business and the pricing profession?

    I think it's only used because it's a well-known quote. It's only used to define a cynic because it's great. But it's kind of underused in the pricing profession. Yes, it does exemplify the difference between people who understand the value. And people who are passionately against the understanding of value. To the point, they're just not willing to even contemplate it. They're real personas here. I've met very cynical managers and executives in businesses who are just ardently just do not want to give up on cost-plus pricing. They say the bill is idle of everything and there couldn't be anything else that could replace it. Even bringing up a concept of value would be sort of pushed aside. Like almost something ridiculous to discuss in a meeting room. Even though everyone else can kind of see that there has to be more to life. Then just literally, the sum of the component parts of each different type of thing and cost. Then adding a markup to get money. It's just too simplistic for words. So this quote means it does mean a lot to the pricing people but I think it's not discussed enough.

    It highlights for me I don't think Oscar Wilde would appreciate other people changing the meaning of what he or what he wanted to say into something completely different. But I think it does differentiate. There is a massive difference in price and value. They're completely polar opposite things whether we want to call the person who sees that as a cynic or whatever else. On the flip side, of course, Oscar Wilde play was also a sentimentalist. It’s the flip side of that coin. But you will see in companies where the company is very much focused as Joanna said on cost-plus or some other method. They will not invest in building the perceived value of the product. Increasing the value of the product, product innovation, those sort of aspects. They don't see the value that the product can offer and see as it is a marketing airy-fairy sort of nonsense. I work in companies. I'm sure many of you have where it's just dismissed. It's just dismissed by the old school accountant approach. And again I preach it was accounting so I'm not bashing that profession. But it's almost a negative side of that profession. Whereby people just dismiss the concept that value even exists or that value can help the prices increase. It's seen as either too complex or just fluffing mountains.

    When I look at that quote, “a man who knows the price of everything”. In terms of the business, they see the product portfolio as literally just stock sitting there on the shelf that needs to be moved. It's very transactional everything. I'm sure a great accountant would know all the prices very well. Have them catalogued, recorded and can model them. Can do all of that stuff. Have all in the mind or all in Excel. They can just quote it but that's it, that's what as far as it goes. In terms of the last statement of the value of nothing, or a person that will just see it as a very transactional thing. They won't think about okay, why are people coming to the business to buy these products? What is the value of it? Why are people consuming? That's a question that a good pricing person will ask, and many accountants don't ask. Again, I'm not bashing accountants. It's not their area to ask. But at the same time, the good ones do. And it just opens a whole different realm, a different subject, a different discussion. That is much bigger and that's where you can find greater price premiums to drive profitability. If you just stick in this volume game. These are the stock we need to push out the door. You're limiting yourself and that value equation.

    Sometimes in many aspects of life, the truth can hide in plain sight. It can be so obvious that people can't see the wood for the trees, to use other literary expressions. We might start doing literary expressions or quotations on this podcast also. But sometimes it's so obvious to some people and so almost invisible to others. Even if you question stuff for a minute it becomes certainly clear that value can drive price. Say a wine business. You went to any wine shop or bottle shop and you're selecting a bottle of wine for a dinner party. There are very different products on those shelves. They might be in this same style of bottles. There may be the same ship, even the Label might be very similar. But the price from one versus another could be infinitely different. It's not just the tiers that people just talk about tiers. In an aspect, there are hundreds of differentiators. You look at champagne versus any other sparkling wine. You look at a cava, prosecco all these different things in all Australian sparkling wine. In many instances, champagne from the true shopping in France will sell at a premium. And it may not be that people purchasing the bottle prefer that flavour without tiers there could be other aspects too. It's been wine was more of a sensory thing. But obviously, this applies in pretty much every industry. Literally, when someone's denying it to that extent, they're not a cynic but they are being willfully blind to the truth.

    I was trying to think of it a different way. The cynic can be a great person to have on the team. That is if you've got a diverse mix of other personalities and opinions on the team as well. Because a cynic almost makes you passionately reject. Sometimes that unwillingness to push the frontier. And think about a different topic in a different way just through the way they perceive life and the fact that there can't be any alternatives. A good pricing person will always sort of think that okay we're up for debate now when a cynic comes along. What Oscar Wilde says here about a cynic, I think it's interesting. Because a cynic does provoke a lot of great conversation through their unwillingness to sort of debate. But they do change as well. I know a lot of great cynics have done great work with pricing once they've got that outlier moment about value. Thinking about the market in terms of, how people behave and respond to their business? Why do they value their business? Not even just the product when they see doing business with them as something greater than just the sum of its parts. It makes their life and their role in their own business as an executive more rewarding as well. That's when you start getting meaningful partnerships with your customers.

    I think we need pricers to be cynics. When we say that, we need them to have that skill set knowing the price and value are completely different. They need to question everything. They need to question, why the value should be this? What do we want it to be? Why the price is this? They need to be cynical. They can’t just accept the status or whatever the company mantra.  Many companies have what used to call Yes man. I suppose the yes culture in the corporate is still very prominent as much as ever. To transform a business and to increase profitability, you need to question things. To question things, you need to be cynical about stuff. You need to question to tick the tiers and see if it stands up to scrutiny. That's it for me I think.

    I think a good cynic is a great scientist. I think we all know now that more scientific processes are coming to pricing. More data, more analytics, hypothesis testing, and a good cynic will impose the null hypothesis. Give you reasons to reject or accept our hypothesis and this is great. But we've got to have diversity on the team. Have that creative ability to construct alternative hypotheses that people hadn't thought about in the past. In terms of value, in terms of demand, in terms of what drives people, their behaviours, and their psychology. Because all of these things are related to the financial outcome businesses want to achieve. So yeah, I think I pretty much said all I wanna say. I think it's important to have that diversity. I think Oscar Wilde did say a great and very relevant quote from him about pricing, about life in general.

    Oscar Wilde is not one of those people if you've ever said we're short of words or short of opinions. It'd be very interesting to see how he would be coping in 2020. It'll be legacy what he would have to say about the current situation.

    Episode #0035 - Would you pay more for less of a product?

    Episode #0035 - Would you pay more for less of a product?

    We are always used to thinking that the more you pay the more you get of a product or service.

    However - have you ever been in a supermarket and found that a 660 ml bottle of cola costs more than a 2 litre bottle - why could that be?

    We discuss pack sizes and value based pricing - and what may be driving this seeming error.

    Okay so we've talked before about how products are actually getting smaller and yet the price is roughly the same if not increasing for a smaller product, that's shrinkflation. And so today, we'd like to focus more on whether people would pay more for a smaller product just because it's smaller. And we're just going to go into that using various examples of different sorts of FMCG products, drinks, snacks, things like that.

    Yeah, we're gonna workshop that idea. Sorry, that springs back bad memories from conferences. I think a classic example is let's take a very common soft drink. You take very common soft drinks like  Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola. You go into the shop, the average supermarket and this applies to Australia, but I'm sure it applies to many other countries. At the front of the store, you get a can or a 660-millilitre bottle. And it might be in Australia around the $3.50 mark. It's refrigerated also so that is a value add. You walk away from there and you go down into the shelves with the fizzy drinks. You probably get a 1.25-litre bottle and it may be on promotion around $1.80 or $2.50. But quite often there you'll even get a 2-litre bottle that might be cheaper than the 1.25-litre bottle. But both of those bottles will be cheaper than the smallest unit sold.

    So, what's going on there? I mean, it's sort of different variations on the theme of convenience. You've got the smaller drinks in the fridge that are being chilled because people like that, right at the counter, they're easy to take. It could be the people that walk in just want to drink and they just want to walk out there.  Possibly, the assumption here is that they could be willing to pay more for that can. But then you've also got the slightly bigger bottles of drink in the fridge, slightly more, though not always they are more expensive than the small tin cans. Because those tin cans have got smaller and bottles are actually in some way bigger. And you often get that buy one, get an extra one free offer going on with those bottles of water and Coca Cola and things like that. From what Aiden was saying, you walk back one or two aisles to the major aisle, the food and drinks aisle. And you can just see how the price points are like everywhere. What is the distance between the price points of the refrigerated cans versus the refrigerated bottles of drinks versus the bigger non refrigerated just almost household good type drinks? I don't know if they are logical, or whether they've thought it through.

    I think there is a sense of segmentation going on here. And clearly, the sort of people I think consumption of large 2-litre or 3-litre bottles of fizzy drinks is decreasing and for a number of reasons. You've got decreasing family size or household units, more people living alone, more awareness of health. And not drinking bucket loads of fizzy drinks with sugar and high calories. So, I think those things are decreasing. People are probably segmenting into certain groups where you just want a little snack, an impulse purchase near the counter. You’ll buy a small kind of drink because you don't feel bad about yourself but you may feel bad if you buy a bigger one. I can see the segmentation of the larger bottles. Potentially, even though it's the same product and the same material in those bottles are being offered to a very different market. At the end of the day, there's not much point in buying a 3-litre bottle of Coke. If you're only going to drink a litre of it or in that week, the rest will probably go flat or be leftover. So, you're segmenting by potentially family structures or household structures, and also, where the person is? Are they walking home shopping and they don't want to carry a big bottle? There’s a lot of those factors that go into it, whether or not the shops thought about them all, that's a different question

    Yeah, I suppose that's a question for the suppliers. FMCG as well inform the supermarkets about how the end consumer and shopper consumed these types of products. They're the ones that should be doing that sort of research and informing the supermarket. So they can, in turn, present a clearer strategy pricing to the end consumer. But from an end-consumer perspective, it can be confusing, these price points I mean. For instance usage, we know we would buy a bigger bottle of Coke or Pepsi if we were having a kid's party, then it makes sense to buy bulk. But a confusing promotion I saw recently was between Pepsi and Coca Cola bottles. It just seems the promotions oscillate between the two, if one's being promoted the other one's not. Coke was promoted, and then Pepsi was cheaper. It just seems to be that there's no sort of strategy other than it's all about trade spend. If one's pumping money into trade spend and the retailer will promote that one. And put the other one back on full price hoping that people will grab the promoted goods. I mean that in turn, it just destroys any sort of value base or consumer-led strategy. Because they're just going on an impulse buy based on price. Whether the price is recouping the money from that promotion, or looking at the data, stats and even people grabbing the items. I would say people still prefer to go for the one that they like. It could be in the taste, or it could be because they trust it. I don't know, what do you think?

    9 out of 10 Cats prefer a Pepsi Cola, apparently our first taste that was a famous example. Not cats but human beings.

    Because it was more sugary. 

    Something on the first sip. But, yeah, we'll cover that in our other podcast on fizzy drinks, we don't. So what I would like to point out is, I think there's a lot of value that can be added in pack sizes. Certainly, people on diets have portion control, I think it's the term used in the diet industry. Knowing the size of the portion. And the smaller account is a fizzy drink that treats size or fun size which it used to be called. It really makes people feel better about themselves. They're buying that smaller can, they're probably prepared to pay more. Because of the ancillary benefits to their self-esteem and their mental approach to life. So, I think I can understand and to some extent, smaller package sizes that will be chocolate bars, fizzy drinks and those sorts of things. As long as they give the calorie intake or the kilojoule intake, people will pay more for that. 

    What I'd like to clarify here is that I think that they would pay more than that, but that you need to have your promotional strategy clear as well. It can't confuse that strategy. If you're going through a pricing strategy based on usage, how do people consume? how people go through the supermarket and what do they grab? You need to get your promotional strategy in line with that strategy. 

    One point to add in and this is something I had thought about, one industry where it’s bad for your health and it's got high sugar content, is the wine industry. If you go into any ball shop or off-license, you will see that it's pretty much the same bottle of wine size covering 95% throughout the shop, which is, I think it's like 750 millilitres is the global standard. You do get a larger bottle more I think magnums and special promotional things, and you can sometimes get smaller ones, but I would say 90% of the bottles sold are the standard bottle. You look at the size of coke cans, the size of those bottles, wine to my mind would be perfectly applicable to that if a person lives alone. They say I’ll just have one bottle of wine or one glass of wine for dinner, then you don't have that temptation with the second one so it’s in your calorie portion control. It takes a decision out of your hands, and this would even be more beneficial to people because obviously as we all know about wine, there's a slippery slope if you have one and then the second one becomes more appealing. So, yeah, that's out there to the wine merchant to the world to give me an answer.

    I think the same goes with chocolate, there are some real chocoholics out there. I questioned whether reducing the size of the chocolate bar tends to only happen with value packs. When you look at chocolate bars, say at the counter, they're still the same size. So, in relation to the argument about reducing pack size purely for our health, I debate that because the ones that are in counters are still the same size, single purchase ones are the same size and it's generally the value packs. So the value packs, who are they aimed for? It could be sort of a younger segment of children. I wonder whether it would control people's consumption of chocolate or reduce the consumption of chocolate when you reduce the family value pack size. Kids like eating more from what I've seen, they do eat more and obesity levels are rising so I think the value pack is very similar to a selection box of chocolates. People are just eating more of them because they're smaller, it's almost the reverse psychology that because I know it's smaller, I'm going to eat three times as much because that equals one normal chocolate bar. So I think it's increasing the consumption of sugar.

    One final point I'll make is that this is a very modern problem if you think back to what sweet shops, lolly shops, and your local grocery store were 50, 60 and 70 years ago, it was somebody with a white coat, pulling things and weighing them on a weighing scale and giving you the exact weight that you wanted. In theory, pack size is a modern issue created by modern supply chains and supermarkets. 50 years ago, you'd say I want X amount of these sweets or these lollies and it was you would get into the exact amount. It's funny how things go in circles and though we're probably moving back to some extent to that old deli-style approach.

    And also, if we're noticing, even if it's on a latent subconscious level that things are getting smaller, what does that do to people? It breeds scarcity. It breeds a sense of loss. People then end up buying more, say the chocolate or whatever it is because they feel they're going to be missing out, they're going to be losing out if they don't. All the while the price point is the same for something that is shrinking, if not getting more expensive, and people are consuming more. So, they’re consuming more, there's a higher volume of that consumption and the price points are going up. Overall, just based on that sense of loss not having it, that could also be triggering the rising obesity levels as well.

     

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