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    16: Tali Sharot | Unpacking the Science of the Influential Mind

    en-usMarch 15, 2018

    Podcast Summary

    • Effective Influence: Understanding Perspective and BiasesEffective influence involves understanding others' perspectives, using positive reinforcement, storytelling, and addressing biases to change minds.

      Changing minds, whether our own or others, is not as simple as presenting facts or telling people what to do. According to Tali Sherritt, author of "The Influential Mind," effective influence requires understanding the other person's perspective and using techniques like positive reinforcement and storytelling. Sherritt also emphasizes the importance of recognizing and addressing biases, as they can significantly impact how we communicate and influence others. The hosts of the podcast, Jordan Harbinger and Jen Harbinger, shared a personal example of how they applied these principles in turning their home into an Airbnb. By creating a welcoming space and adding personal touches, they've been able to make their guests feel valued and cherished while also earning extra income. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of empathy, effective communication, and understanding the psychological factors that influence our ability to change minds.

    • Using Fear for Persuasion: Proceed with CautionFear can be effective for inducing action but may also freeze people. Positive messages that suggest things can get better are more likely to be encoded effectively and induce action.

      While fear can be an effective tool for persuasion, it's important to consider whether we want to use it and under what circumstances. Fear may be effective in inducing action when we want people to avoid certain behaviors, but it can also freeze people and make them less likely to act when we want them to do something. On the other hand, positive messages that suggest things can get better are more likely to be encoded effectively and induce action. An example of this is the "make America great again" message that may have given voters a sense of hope and control, rather than fear. Ultimately, it's important to consider the potential impact of our messages on people's well-being and to use persuasion techniques in a responsible and ethical manner.

    • Brain's response to rewards vs punishmentsOur brains are more likely to take action when expecting a reward, but less likely when trying to avoid a punishment. Use rewards to persuade and punishments to prevent.

      Our brains are wired to respond differently to actions associated with rewards compared to actions associated with avoiding punishments. When we expect a reward, a "go signal" is activated in our brain, making us more likely to take action. However, when we expect a punishment, no go signal is activated, and we become less likely to act. This principle can be applied to persuasion: to get someone to do something, offer a reward, but to prevent them from doing something, threaten a punishment. This was demonstrated in an experiment where participants pressed buttons to receive or avoid losing money. They were more accurate and faster when pressing to receive a reward, but more successful at not pressing when trying to avoid losing money. However, it's important to note that this is a simplification and that human behavior is complex and context-dependent. For instance, under stress, people may become more responsive to negative information, making fear an effective persuasion tool. But remember, this is a general principle and may not apply to every situation or person.

    • Our brains are more receptive to negative info under stressStress makes us more susceptible to negative info, leading to poor choices and further stress. Emotions and personal experiences often carry more weight than facts during stressful times.

      Our brains are more receptive to negative information when we're under stress. This hypervigilance to negative cues can lead to overly pessimistic beliefs and suboptimal decision-making. For instance, during stressful events like terrorist attacks or market collapses, people tend to listen to negative messages and make choices that increase their anxiety, such as selling stocks or canceling flights. This cycle of stress, negative information, and pessimistic beliefs can result in poor choices and further stress. It's important to note that data and facts have limited persuasive power when trying to change someone's deeply held beliefs. Instead, emotions and personal experiences often carry more weight. When people are under stress, they are more likely to be influenced by fear and negativity, making it a powerful tool for persuasion. However, data can still play a crucial role in uncovering the truth and providing a starting point for discussion. Therefore, understanding the role of stress and emotions in decision-making and persuasion can help us navigate complex situations and make more informed choices. By recognizing the power of negative information and the importance of staying calm and rational, we can break the cycle of stress, fear, and poor decision-making.

    • The Backfire Effect: Why We Hold Onto Our Beliefs Despite New EvidenceOur brains naturally resist changing beliefs, even when presented with new evidence, due to emotional and rational reasons. Children, however, are more open to new ideas.

      Our brains have a natural tendency to hold onto our existing beliefs and reject new information that contradicts them, a phenomenon known as the backfire effect. This behavior serves emotional and rational purposes. Emotionally, it helps us maintain our self-image and protect our beliefs, which are closely tied to our identity. Rationally, it's not irrational to assume that our strong beliefs are generally correct and that new evidence may be incorrect. However, the less confident we are in the new evidence and the more confident we are in our current belief, the less likely we are to change our minds. Children, who have fewer strong beliefs and high confidence in adults, are an exception to this rule, as their beliefs are more easily influenced. Understanding the backfire effect can help us be more open-minded and consider new perspectives.

    • Beliefs influenced by desire, not just dataBeing aware of our biases can help us make more informed decisions and reduce their impact on our beliefs and actions.

      Our beliefs and perceptions can be easily influenced by what we want to believe, rather than objective data. This was illustrated in a study where people's beliefs about the presidential election outcome were changed based on new polls, but only for those who wanted the new outcome. Similarly, we often rationalize our decisions and disregard data that contradicts our beliefs. Being aware of these biases is important, but it doesn't eliminate them. Instead, being conscious of our biases can help us consider the potential negative outcomes of our beliefs and take steps to mitigate them. For example, the optimism bias, which leads us to believe that the future will be better than the past, can lead us to underestimate risks and not take necessary precautions. Recognizing these biases can help us make more informed decisions and reduce their impact on our beliefs and actions.

    • Understanding and Overcoming BiasesAwareness of biases is key to making informed decisions. Implementing rewards and punishments can help counteract personal biases. Scientific researchers must seek outside perspectives to ensure validity. Lying to ourselves has consequences, but being aware can help mitigate impact. Effective communication can help others overcome their biases.

      We all have biases that influence our decisions, and being aware of these biases is the first step towards making more informed and unbiased choices. The speaker shares an example of his own bias towards not wearing a helmet while biking, despite knowing the risks. He suggests implementing a reward system for wearing a helmet and a punishment for not wearing it as a way to counteract this bias. Similarly, in scientific research, the researcher may be biased towards their hypothesis and may need to seek outside perspectives to ensure the validity of their findings. The speaker also acknowledges that it's natural to lie to ourselves, but being aware of the potential consequences and putting protective measures in place can help mitigate the impact. Furthermore, the speaker emphasizes the importance of communicating information effectively to others, especially when dealing with their biases. By reframing messages to focus on the positive outcomes rather than the negative, we can help others make better decisions and overcome their biases. In summary, being aware of our biases, acknowledging the potential consequences, and taking steps to counteract them can lead to more informed and unbiased decision-making, both for ourselves and for others.

    • Reframe messages positively and pair rewards with actionsEffective communication and advice involve reframing messages positively and pairing rewards with actions to counteract biases, especially when dealing with complex topics and strong opinions.

      Our communication and advice can be more effective if we reframe messages in a positive light and pair rewards with actions, rather than using threats or negative consequences. This approach is particularly important when dealing with biases, as our intelligence and analytical skills can sometimes lead us to rationalize and twist data to fit our existing beliefs. Even those with strong mathematical skills can be influenced by biases, especially when it comes to topics we hold strong opinions about. It's essential to recognize that biases are not limited to less intelligent individuals and that education in recognizing and counteracting bias is crucial.

    • Starting with common ground is more effective than contradicting beliefsIdentifying shared beliefs and working towards a mutual goal can be a more productive approach when trying to change someone's belief, rather than confronting them with contradictory information.

      Changing deeply ingrained biases through education alone is a challenging task. Instead, it's more effective to identify common ground and build on shared beliefs when trying to persuade or influence others. The brain tends to shut down when encountering opinions that contradict our own, making it less likely for us to change our beliefs. An example from an experiment shows that when people disagreed on a question, their brains were less likely to encode the information coming from the disagreeing partner, leading to a lack of change in confidence. Therefore, starting with something that we agree on and focusing on finding a mutual outcome can be a more productive approach when trying to change someone's belief. This strategy was also effective in a study where healthcare professionals tried to convince parents who were hesitant to vaccinate their children due to the alleged link to autism. Instead of confronting them with contradictory information, they found success by identifying shared beliefs and working towards a mutual goal.

    • Focusing on protective benefits of vaccinesUnderstanding others' perspectives and using emotions can enhance communication and persuasion. UCLA study shows parents more likely to vaccinate after focusing on benefits, not autism link. Effective speeches, like JFK's moon speech, use emotions to inspire and synchronize brains.

      Effective communication and persuasion often rely on finding common ground and understanding the other person's perspective. The UCLA study showed that by focusing on the protective benefits of vaccines, rather than the controversial link to autism, parents were more likely to change their intentions to vaccinate their children. This approach highlights the importance of theory of mind, or the ability to understand what's going on in someone else's mind. Additionally, using emotions in speeches can be an effective way to persuade, as emotions can contagiously affect the brains of those listening and enhance memory. For example, President Kennedy's moon speech used emotions to inspire and synchronize the brains of his audience, leading to a memorable and influential speech. Overall, effective communication and persuasion require a deep understanding of the other person's perspective, the ability to find common ground, and the use of emotions to connect and inspire.

    • Emotions influence memory and attentionStrong emotions enhance memory formation and attention, and emotions are contagious, influencing how we interpret information and understand data.

      Emotion plays a significant role in memory formation and attention. When we experience strong emotions, the amygdala and hippocampus work together to create memories that are easier to recall. Emotions are contagious, and we unconsciously mimic the facial expressions, poses, and tone of voice of those around us. This emotional contagion can influence how we interpret information and understand data. Therefore, if we want our audience to interpret information in a similar way to us, it's essential to put them in a similar emotional state. Emotion is information, and our brains are wired to respond to it. If someone is afraid, we become afraid, and this can enhance our survival. Similarly, if someone is excited, we become excited, making us more likely to examine our surroundings for rewards. Emotions can be transferred naturally and intentionally, and it's crucial to be aware of this and manage our emotions to avoid unwanted emotional transfer to others.

    • Emotional contagion: Rapid transfer of emotions from person to personEmotions significantly influence how we process and transmit information, with emotional states of receivers affecting their behavior. Observing adults' interactions can also shape children's behavior.

      Emotions play a significant role in how information is processed and transmitted between individuals. Emotional contagion, the rapid transfer of emotions from person to person, is a fundamental and evolutionary phenomenon observed across the animal kingdom, including humans. The emotional state of the receiver influences their information processing and behavior. For instance, a study on caregivers and babies showed that a stressed caregiver could make the baby stressed and less likely to interact with strangers. This response is not conscious but an innate survival mechanism. Additionally, babies are drawn to gadgets like iPhones and television remotes due to observing adults' interactions with them, further highlighting the impact of emotions and social learning on behavior.

    • The Power of Social InfluencePeople's actions and preferences can unconsciously influence our own, shaping our decisions and even our memories.

      Our behavior and choices are influenced by the actions and preferences of those around us, even if we're not consciously aware of it. This phenomenon, observed in infants and adults alike, is known as social influence. We're drawn to things that other people have or use, from iPhones to certain foods or clothing, because we believe they hold value. Marketers have long leveraged this effect, from influencer marketing to simple messaging about the majority of people engaging in a certain behavior. But this influence can go beyond our conscious thoughts, even altering our memories. For example, if we're told what others remember, we may adjust our own recollections to align with theirs. This social alignment can be a powerful tool for change, as demonstrated by the British government's successful campaign to increase tax compliance by highlighting the majority of people who paid on time. Overall, understanding and harnessing the power of social influence can help us make more informed decisions and effectively shape behavior.

    • Social factors can influence and alter our memoriesOur brains are influenced by social factors to alter memories, which can be concerning in legal contexts, but also allows for reconsolidation and adjustment to new information

      Our memories are not set in stone, but rather are influenced by social factors and can be altered over time. In a study, participants were shown false memories of others and later found themselves unable to recall their true memories. This change occurred while their brains were being scanned, specifically in the amygdala and hippocampus, regions associated with emotion and memory. This social influence can be concerning, particularly in legal contexts where false memories can lead to incorrect testimony and potentially wrongful convictions. However, our brains are wired to align with the majority, as it often leads to accurate information. Additionally, memories are designed to change through a process called reconsolidation, allowing us to incorporate new information and adjust our memories to better fit our current knowledge. While this can be beneficial, it also means that our memories are not fixed and can be influenced by various factors.

    • Our memories are influenced by social dynamics and biasesBeing aware of social influences and biases on online reviews is crucial for making informed decisions

      Our memories are not stable historical records but rather flexible constructs that change with time and influence. This can lead to inaccuracies and biases in our perception of events and decisions. Online reviews and ratings, in particular, can be influenced by social dynamics, with the opinions of earlier reviewers affecting those that follow. Being aware of these influences and biases is crucial for making informed decisions and counteracting their effects. The book "The Influential Mind" by Tali Sharot delves deeper into the science of how our brains process and are influenced by information, providing practical insights into understanding and managing these influences. Remember, the next time you're considering a purchase or forming an opinion based on online reviews, keep in mind that the ratings may not be entirely independent and may be subject to social influence.

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