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    #176 The secret to delicious plant based cooking with Georgina Hayden

    enDecember 07, 2022

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    • Exploring the historical significance and deliciousness of plant-based Mediterranean and Eastern European dishesDiscover the rich history and culture behind plant-based Mediterranean and Eastern European dishes, inspired by healthy older generations, with recipes in the Doctor's Kitchen app and weekly newsletter.

      Key takeaway from the Doctor's Kitchen podcast episode is the historical significance and deliciousness of plant-based Mediterranean and Eastern European dishes, as discussed with food writer Georgina Hayden. Georgina grew up surrounded by food in North London, and her career in the culinary world began by laying tables at her family's restaurant. She spent 12 years working for Jamie Oliver and has recently judged Channel 4's The Great Cookbook Challenge. The focus of her latest book, Nisticima, is plant-based dishes that were traditionally eaten for religious or frugal reasons in the Levantine region, Mediterranean, and Eastern Europe. These dishes are meant to be vegan and not just plant-based versions of meat dishes. Georgina shares the history and culture behind these dishes, which include cakes made with olive oil, light slow-cooked peppers, sour leeks, and spicy harissa potatoes. The Mediterranean countries with healthy older generations have inspired these delicious and satisfying plant-based meals. Listeners can access the Doctor's Kitchen app for free to get access to all of the podcast's recipes, including those from Georgina's book, with specific suggestions tailored to individual health needs. New recipes are added every month, and there's a 14-day free trial. Additionally, Android users can sign up for Eat, Listen, Read, the Doctor's Kitchen newsletter, which sends a recipe and mindfully curated media each week to help support a healthier, happier lifestyle.

    • Growing up in a multigenerational household influenced by food businessesThe speaker's upbringing in a multigenerational household with food businesses instilled a deep love for cultural traditions and food.

      The speaker's upbringing in a multigenerational household centered around food businesses in the 1960s and 70s in London significantly influenced their love for food and cultural traditions. The speaker's grandparents, who were Greek and Turkish Cypriots, had a deli and imported specialty items like olive oil, olives, and cheeses that weren't readily available in supermarkets at the time. The speaker's other grandparents owned a restaurant where the family spent many holidays and special occasions. The cross-generational living and lifestyle was common in the diverse community where the speaker grew up, and they cherish the privilege of learning from their elders. The speaker's connection to their heritage and love for food are deeply rooted in these experiences.

    • Food and Cultural Heritage: A Powerful ConnectionExploring food traditions connects us to our cultural heritage and identity. Respect individual dietary needs and understand that everyone's body responds differently to food.

      Food and cultural heritage are deeply interconnected. The speaker shares an experience of panic over not having enough meat for a family dinner, a common fear among Cypriots. She recalls how she taught her husband the word "gani," which means "enough," to help navigate endless hospitality. Growing up, she frequently visited Cyprus and came to appreciate the significance of food in understanding the culture. As an adult, her passion for food led her to explore the culinary traditions of her heritage. She also emphasizes the importance of respecting individual dietary needs and understanding that everyone's body responds differently to food. Her latest book, which is vegan, comes from a religious perspective, highlighting the importance of cultural context in food choices. Overall, food is more than just sustenance; it is a powerful connection to our heritage and identity.

    • Understanding personal circumstances matters in nutritionConsider individual health needs, cultural backgrounds, and intuition when making dietary choices for optimal health

      Everyone's nutritional needs are unique, and it's essential to understand your background, culture, and individual health requirements to make informed dietary choices. The speaker's personal experience as a conscientious omnivore, who cannot be vegan due to health reasons, highlights the importance of considering personal circumstances when discussing diets. Furthermore, the speaker emphasizes the significance of being intuitive about one's body and understanding how certain foods interact with it, particularly at different life stages. The speaker's exploration of cultural differences in dietary practices also illustrates the importance of considering the role of tradition and religion in shaping individual food choices. In essence, a one-size-fits-all approach to nutrition is not effective, and personalized, predictive, and preventative measures are crucial for maintaining optimal health.

    • Traditional practices of balancing dietsThroughout history, cultures have practiced balancing their diets through traditions, including periods of eating plant-based foods and occasional consumption of animal products, which have proven health benefits.

      Throughout history, various cultures and communities have practiced balancing their diets through traditions, many of which are now being replicated in modern society. These practices, which often include periods of eating plant-based foods and occasional consumption of meat or other animal products, have been passed down for generations and have proven health benefits. The speaker, who grew up in a family where food was a significant part of life, recalls her experiences in the kitchen and how they influenced her appreciation for the importance of a balanced diet. Despite the chaos and mishaps that often occurred in her family's kitchen, she learned valuable lessons about the role of food in nourishing the body and the importance of intuitive eating. The speaker's anecdotes illustrate how the wisdom of the past can inform our modern approach to health and wellness.

    • Discovering unexpected career paths through passion and curiosityFollowing your passions and curiosity can lead to unconventional but fulfilling career paths. Even if the industry is not initially understood or accessible, persistence and dedication can lead to success.

      Following your passion and curiosity can lead to unexpected and fulfilling career paths. The speaker, who started out making cakes and breads at a farmer's market at 18, discovered her love for food styling after reading Delicious magazine during her final year of university. She initially struggled to explain her unconventional career choice to others, but the rise of food-focused media and shows like MasterChef has made the industry more understood and accessible. The creation of a cookbook involves a team of people beyond the author, making it an expensive endeavor. But for those with a passion for food and creativity, the journey can be incredibly rewarding.

    • The Joy of Collaboration in the Creative IndustryCollaboration is essential in the creative industry, and having a strong team can lead to beautiful results. Social media has changed the industry by allowing behind-the-scenes glimpses. Food styling involves meticulous kits and lengthy shoots for ads.

      Collaboration is an essential and enjoyable aspect of the creative industry, especially after the isolation experienced during the writing process. The making of a book is a team effort, and having a strong team that believes in you can lead to beautiful results. Social media has also played a significant role in changing the industry by allowing people to see behind the scenes and appreciate the process. Working for Jamie Oliver was an invaluable experience, and after writing her first book and having her eldest daughter, the food stylist made a conscious decision to go out on her own and create her own brand. The stories shared highlight the dedication and unique challenges that come with being a food stylist, from the meticulous food styling kits to the lengthy shoots for advertisements.

    • Embracing new experiences and taking risksHaving supportive mentors and diverse experiences can help build confidence and lead to new opportunities. Taking risks and embracing new experiences can lead to personal growth and unexpected opportunities.

      Having supportive mentors and diverse experiences can help build confidence and lead to new opportunities. The speaker shares how she felt scared but eventually went solo to pursue her dream of writing books. She also discusses how she initially avoided television due to lack of confidence and representation, but later came to enjoy it and appreciate its importance in showcasing a range of voices. The speaker's experiences highlight the value of taking risks, learning from mentors, and embracing new experiences. Additionally, she emphasizes the importance of having a range of voices in media and the thrill of live television for those who enjoy ad hoc and unscripted work.

    • Exploring Dietary Restrictions: The Inspiration Behind NistemaDespite challenges during the writing of her second cookbook, Nistema, the author found inspiration in addressing a common question about vegetarian and vegan recipes and formed valuable connections with religious communities to gather unique recipes.

      Being a creator, especially a cookbook author, offers the opportunity to explore various avenues for inspiration and expression. During the writing of her second cookbook, Nistema, the author faced a common question about vegetarian and vegan recipes in her previous book, Taverna. Inspired by this, she decided to write a book focusing on these dietary restrictions, but faced challenges due to the pandemic and being pregnant. To research and gather recipes, she reached out to various religious communities, including a monastery in Lebanon, where she connected with a priest through a WhatsApp group. The author's determination and resourcefulness led to valuable connections and unique recipes for her book. The importance of these connections and the influence of religious communities on food and diet, particularly in the context of Mount Athos, became a significant part of her research and writing.

    • Exploring Orthodox Christian food traditions through social mediaA social media connection led to the creation of a cookbook celebrating diverse Orthodox Christian food traditions from various countries

      The speaker's experience of connecting with a community through social media led to the creation of a cookbook that celebrates Orthodox Christian traditions and food from various countries, including Greece, Cyprus, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Russia. The book's last recipe was inspired by nuns and is simple, just how to make your own cordial. The speaker was surprised and excited to discover the similarities and differences in food practices across these regions and felt it was important to include all of them in the book. Foods like moussaka, which are often associated with one country, have variations in neighboring countries and even have different names. The speaker's goal was to showcase the richness and diversity of Orthodox Christian food traditions.

    • Understanding the cultural context behind recipesResearching recipes and their origins requires authenticity and sensitivity, involving direct communication with people from the culture and respecting cultural heritage.

      When writing about recipes and the cultural heritage behind them, it's crucial to do thorough research and be authentic. Recipes and their origins travel and change as they spread across countries and cultures, and it's essential to understand the context and influences behind these transformations. Speaking directly with people from the cultures you're writing about is an invaluable resource for gaining insight and accuracy. Additionally, being respectful of cultural heritage is a vital consideration, and it's essential to approach the topic with sensitivity and authenticity. While it's possible for writers from different backgrounds to write about various foods and cuisines, immersing oneself in the culture and being knowledgeable about its traditions and practices is essential for creating an accurate and respectful representation. Ultimately, the responsibility of accurately representing cultural recipes and heritage falls on the writer, and it's essential to do justice to the stories and people behind the food.

    • Be respectful when exploring other cultures' foods and traditions on social mediaDo thorough research and give proper credit to sources when writing about or representing other cultures' foods and traditions on social media. Explore the fusion of conventional and traditional medicine in countries like India.

      While social media is a great platform to explore different cultures and learn about cooking, it's essential to do thorough research and be respectful when writing about or representing other cultures' foods and traditions. So whether you're interacting casually or planning to write a book, always make sure to pay your dues and give proper credit to the sources of your knowledge. Moreover, the fusion of conventional and traditional medicine in countries like India is a fascinating topic that deserves exploration, and it would be amazing to see a series that covers this amalgamation in depth while also cooking the food and sharing the stories behind it.

    • Investigating the causes of childhood eczemaConsidering food triggers, environmental factors, and cultural approaches to health can provide a more comprehensive solution for managing childhood eczema.

      While addressing the symptoms of childhood eczema is important, it's equally crucial to investigate the underlying causes. The speaker emphasizes that cultures outside of the Western world tend to take a more holistic approach to health, considering all factors that may contribute to a condition. The speaker's personal experience as a parent of a child with eczema led her to discover that tomatoes trigger her daughter's symptoms, an information not typically shared during medical consultations. The speaker also highlights the importance of addressing air pollution as a potential cause of eczema, as it can lead to various health issues beyond just cancer. She encourages taking a comprehensive approach to managing eczema, which includes using steroids to reduce inflammation while also investigating food triggers and environmental factors. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of starting conversations around these topics, especially intergenerationally, to broaden the scope of medical advice and consider all possible causes and solutions.

    • Exploring Traditional Healing PracticesExploring traditional healing practices like acupuncture can provide significant relief for chronic conditions, even for skeptics. Openness to new experiences is key to overall health and wellness.

      Traditional healing practices, like acupuncture, can provide significant relief for people suffering from chronic conditions, even if they are skeptical or hesitant at first. The speaker's grandmother, who was an 80-year-old Greek Cypriot immigrant, found great relief from her arthritis pain through acupuncture, which she had initially resisted. The availability and acceptance of such practices are improving, with influential figures like Doctor Michael Dixon advocating for their inclusion in healthcare systems. The speaker's enthusiasm for food and her vegan cookbook, which celebrates plant-based recipes, adds another layer to the conversation about health and wellness. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of exploring various healing modalities and being open to new experiences.

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    Probiotics 55:00
    Contact info Dr. Pedre 66:13

    “I know that if I can’t change the mindset at the beginning, so that the person gets into the mindset of healing, then it doesn’t matter what you do. You can do everything to perfection. You cannot bypass your healing process. In other words, you can’t be a type A person and just want to insert the right salads and nutrients… into your life and still be rushing and not do any self-care and think that you’re going to heal.” 16:06

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