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    203 | N.J. Enfield on Why Language is Good for Lawyers and Not Scientists

    enJuly 11, 2022

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    • Language's historical and social functionsUnderstanding language's historical and social purposes can help us appreciate its power and limitations for hiring, communication, and personal finance management.

      Language plays a crucial role in how we perceive and communicate about the world. When it comes to hiring, using a platform like Indeed can help streamline the process and connect you with high-quality candidates efficiently. On the other hand, understanding the origin and purpose of language reveals that it was first invented for persuasion and social cooperation rather than scientific accuracy. Meanwhile, managing personal finances can be a challenge, and tools like Rocket Money can help identify and cancel unwanted subscriptions, saving an average of $720 per year. The structure of language acts as a "coarse graining" or emergence, allowing us to describe the world with a finite number of vocabulary words. Nick Enfield, a linguistic anthropologist, explores these ideas in his new book "Language versus Reality." By recognizing the historical and social functions of language, we can gain a deeper appreciation for its power and limitations.

    • Language's social origins and evolutionLanguage is rooted in social cognition and our biological development, influencing its evolution and use with biases and oversimplifications in scientific contexts or persuasion.

      Language, while essential for communication and social life, is not inherently unbiased or objective. It originated from social cognition and coordination, and its evolution is intertwined with our biological development as a species. The study of language evolution is a lively field with ongoing debates, but the consensus is that social cognition plays a crucial role in its prerequisites. It's important to be aware of the biases and oversimplifications that can arise from using language, especially in scientific contexts or when trying to persuade others. The evolution of language can be thought of as having two distinct tracks: the biological development of our species that enables language acquisition, and the historical evolution of individual languages. These tracks are interconnected, and understanding their complex relationship can provide valuable insights into the nature of language and its role in our lives.

    • The Evolution of Language and Its Connection to BiologyLanguage and biology have influenced each other throughout history, with language shaping societal structures and advancements, and the origins and evolution of language remaining a topic of ongoing research

      Language and biology have deeply interconnected histories, shaping each other in various ways. With over 6,000 spoken languages today and potentially over 100,000 ever spoken, these linguistic creations have evolved alongside human cultural and historical development. The ease of learning, producing, and communicating effectively have influenced which languages have survived and spread. However, the question of whether language has biologically changed us remains open, with the most apparent changes being in societal structures and advancements. The origins of language are still debated, with theories ranging from multiple independent developments to a single proto-language. The emergence of new languages, such as creoles and sign languages, provides evidence of language's ability to adapt and evolve in different contexts. Despite the challenges in studying language's origins and evolution, ongoing research continues to shed light on this fascinating aspect of human development.

    • The organic emergence of sign languages in deaf communitiesSign languages develop naturally within deaf communities, contrasting the historical roots and long-term evolution of most languages. The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which explores the relationship between language and perception, has been debated due to its oversimplification.

      Languages can emerge organically within communities of deaf people, leading to the development of unique and fully-fledged sign languages. This phenomenon contrasts with most languages, which have historical roots and have evolved over long periods of time. The way we perceive and conceptualize the world can influence our language, but the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, which suggests that language entirely determines perception, is controversial and oversimplified. Sapir and Whorf, linguists and anthropologists of the early 20th century, were intrigued by the surprising structures of languages outside of the European tradition. They argued that the diversity of language goes beyond the differences between European languages and encouraged exploration of indigenous languages, such as Hopi and Nootka. These languages offered new perspectives on how reality was described, challenging the dominant European understanding of language and perception.

    • Language shapes perception and behaviorLanguage impacts our thought processes and actions by influencing how we describe and interpret the world

      Language plays a significant role in shaping our perception of reality and influencing our behavior. Edward Sapir and Benjamin Lee Whorf, two linguists, explored the structural differences between languages and how they impact thought. Whorf is best known for his work as an insurance inspector, where he observed that people's descriptions of their surroundings influenced their actions. For instance, they might overlook potential hazards because their language didn't highlight those aspects. Whorf's claims about language fundamentally altering reality have been exaggerated, but his core idea that language affects reasoning and behavior is compelling. Moreover, language is not only a tool for cognition but also for social coordination and justifying actions. In academic fields like science and philosophy, where ambiguities abound, mastering the nuances of language is crucial for making progress. Language is a powerful tool that shapes how we understand and interact with the world.

    • The Complex Interplay of Culture and LanguageLanguage shapes our understanding of the world and emerges through culture, but its optimization for functionality over precision can limit nuanced comprehension. For example, while humans can distinguish millions of colors, languages have fewer terms for them due to cognitive effort.

      Language, whether scientific or everyday, shapes our understanding of the world around us. New words and concepts emerge through a complex interplay of culture and existing language. However, once terminology is established, it can lead to a sense of complacency and satisfaction, potentially obscuring nuanced understanding. Language is optimized for functionality, not precision, and the number of distinct words for colors in a language is a reflection of this trade-off. For instance, while humans can distinguish millions of colors, languages have far fewer terms for them. This is because the cognitive effort required to distinguish and remember such a vast number of terms outweighs the functional benefit. Ultimately, language serves a purpose, and its development is influenced by cultural norms and the practical needs of communication.

    • Our perception of color and language's role in categorizing itOur limited color categories in language are a result of cultural evolution, enabling social coordination and facilitating communication, justification, and conviction.

      Our perception of color and the way we categorize it through language is a simplified version of the actual reality we experience. The color spectrum that we can perceive is only a small fraction of what exists, and even the most detailed taxonomy of colors in language falls short of the complexity of what we can perceivably experience if we had different sensory apparatus. Furthermore, the number of basic color terms in any language is limited, typically fewer than a dozen. These categories serve their purpose in their cultural contexts and enable social coordination, allowing us to label and construct a model of the world for manipulation and prediction. However, it's essential to recognize that these categories do not arise from our biological evolution but from cultural evolution. Words do not directly emerge from concepts or percepts in our minds; instead, they come from instances of social coordination. The primary function of language is to align and coordinate people around some aspect of reality, and its categories play a crucial role in this process. While the focus on language's role in conceptualization and the mind is well-discussed, the social and collaborative benefits of these categories are often under-discussed. Language's job is not only to help us understand the world but also to facilitate communication, justification, and convincing others of our actions and beliefs.

    • Understanding Perspective in Social InteractionsSchelling's map experiment highlights the importance of understanding another person's perspective in social interactions, crucial for both conflict and cooperation.

      Our use of language and understanding of social interactions are interconnected. Our words and the way we use them have evolved through both our cognition and social interactions. A classic example of this is demonstrated in Schelling's map experiment, where individuals try to figure out where another person might be based on a shared map, without communication. This shows the importance of understanding not only the world around us but also the thoughts and intentions of others. Schelling, an economist, emphasized this concept in his work on conflict, realizing that the same operations are crucial for cooperation as well. This idea of constantly trying to understand another person's perspective is crucial in various aspects of life and can lead to successful outcomes, such as meeting someone in enemy territory using only a map as a guide.

    • The power of human coordination in problem solvingHumans can coordinate effectively to solve complex problems without communication, leading to the development of conventions. Common ground, whether personal or cultural, enhances this ability.

      Humans are skilled at coordinating with each other to solve complex problems without the ability to communicate beforehand, as demonstrated in Schelling's coordination problems. This ability to coordinate is the foundation for the development of conventions, which can be seen in the rapid creation of vocabulary in experiments like the Tangram task. However, the effectiveness of coordination and the development of conventions can vary depending on the common ground between individuals or cultures. Personal common ground, such as shared experiences, can be invoked through elliptical references and nonverbal cues. Cultural common ground, which includes language and shared knowledge of customs and traditions, plays a crucial role in solving everyday coordination problems, such as getting on buses or ordering food. Ultimately, the ability to coordinate and develop conventions is essential for human communication and the evolution of language.

    • Understanding Cross-Cultural Differences in Language and ThoughtLanguages don't have unconstrained variation, and the way they carve up the world is determined by functionality and coordination needs.

      While there are commonalities in human society and thought, cultures vary greatly in their contents, and assumptions about shared common ground can lead to cross-cultural miscommunications. The concepts we use in language are not directly linked to our biology, but rather emerge through social interaction and successful solutions to coordination problems. Linguistic typology, a field of linguistics, helps us understand the regularities in how languages carve up the world into different semantic distinctions. These distinctions can vary in number, and the question is what drives these differences. The crucial point is that languages do not have unconstrained variation, and the way the space gets carved up is determined by functionality and coordination. No language would have an irrational color system, and the prediction of color terms follows the usefulness and practicality of the distinctions in a given context.

    • The Power of Language in Shaping Our Perception of RealityLanguage can influence our judgments and understanding of reality through subtle differences in description and categorization.

      The way we use language can influence our perception of reality and the judgments we make. This was discussed in relation to the website Atbloonile.com, where customers can design and purchase unique rings online. However, the conversation then delved into the philosophical idea that the way we linguistically categorize and describe the world can impact how we understand it. For instance, in experiments, people make different judgments based on how an event is described, with some descriptions being more agentive and others more passive. This difference in language can lead to different social justifications and judgments. Additionally, some languages, like Japanese, have a greater emphasis on non-agentive descriptions, which can influence how people perceive responsibility and causation. This idea was further explored through the example of emergency call takers in a hospital, where the way the call taker phrased the question could subtly influence the information they received. These findings highlight the significant impact language can have on our reasoning and decision-making processes. In conclusion, the way we use language can shape our understanding of reality and influence the judgments we make. This is an important consideration, as it highlights the need to be mindful of the language we use and the potential biases it may introduce.

    • Language shapes our thinking and behaviorUsing different tenses and causality language can impact response times and actions, highlighting the power of language in shaping our reasoning and behavior

      The choice of words and grammar in language can significantly impact how people reason and respond, leading to different actions and outcomes. This was illustrated in a study that found using the present perfect tense instead of the simple past tense when asking about an emergency situation led to faster response times from emergency services. However, it's important to note that not all languages have the same tense distinctions as English, and the way we talk about time is just one example of how language shapes our thinking and behavior. Causality is another area where language plays a crucial role. While causality can be seen as an abstract relationship between two events or states, humans often talk about causes for social reasons, such as justifying or defending actions. This is an important consideration when it comes to explainable AI, as humans may not always be able to give accurate or reliable explanations for their decisions, and AI's lack of ability to provide explanations is often seen as a limitation. Ultimately, language is a powerful tool that shapes not only how we think but also how we act. By understanding the social and linguistic contexts in which words and grammar are used, we can gain a deeper appreciation for the ways in which language influences our reasoning and behavior.

    • The power of language on memory and perceptionLanguage can influence how we remember things and perceive them, affecting our later recall and identification.

      The way we describe things and use language can significantly impact our memory and perception of events. This was discussed in relation to explainable AI and the importance of acceptable explanations, as well as experiments from the early 20th century that demonstrated how verbal descriptions can influence how people remember drawings. In these studies, participants were shown abstract line drawings and asked to remember them. However, they often provided verbal descriptions or labels, which affected their later drawings of the original images. For example, if participants were told a drawing was eyeglasses, they would make the line representing the nose bridge more pronounced. Conversely, if they were told it was a dumbbell, they would make the line straighter. This phenomenon is known as the overshadowing effect, where language can discard information. More recent studies have shown similar results, such as participants being worse at identifying a perpetrator's face in a lineup if they had previously described it with words. These findings highlight the power of language and the importance of considering its impact on our memory and perception.

    • Language and categorization impact memory and social interactionCategorizing objects into linguistic labels can make it harder to recall specific details and serves a social function, aligning and coordinating actions in a world of mobile agents.

      Language and categorization are deeply interconnected, and this relationship has implications for how we remember information and interact with others. The process of categorizing and sorting objects into linguistic categories, such as "lamp" or "table," can make it more difficult for us to recall specific details later on. This phenomenon, rooted in the concept of categorization, is a universal feature of different kinds of languages and serves a social function. Language is not just about conveying information, but also about influencing and manipulating others. As Krebs and Dawkins argued, communication is about acting upon others to achieve mutual benefit. This alignment and coordination, whether self-interested or group-interested, is the nature of communication in a world of mobile agents. By focusing on language as a tool for action in the social world, we can better understand its role in conditioning the stabilization and conventionalization of words within a population. While the book explores the darker aspects of language and manipulation, it's essential to remember that communication is typically a mutual benefit, and we are often happy to be influenced by others as part of the life we lead together.

    • The Power of Language to Shape Our UnderstandingBeing mindful of language use and thinking critically about it is essential to navigate the complexities of communication and avoid biases and assumptions.

      Language plays a more significant role in shaping our understanding than we often realize. The way words and phrases are used can introduce biases and assumptions that we may not even be aware of. For instance, the verb "admit" implies an admission against one's will or interest, while "say" is a more neutral alternative. This is just one example of how language can shape our perception. The book under discussion highlights the contrast between lawyers and scientists, with lawyers defending positions and scientists seeking truth. This dynamic is similar to the one Julia Galef sets up between scouts and soldiers. Being mindful of language use and thinking critically about it is essential in today's world, especially when consuming news reports and social media. One concrete step we can take is to be aware of the level of granularity in language. For example, the step from "admit" to "say" is a move from a more specific to a more general level. This shift can help us evaluate content more objectively, rather than being influenced by the framing given by the journalist or speaker. It's important to remember that this doesn't mean we should discount the role of lawyers or those who use language to defend positions. Instead, we should strive for cognitive literacy and be aware of the power of language to shape our understanding. By being mindful and critical, we can better navigate the complexities of language and communication.

    • Language's Persuasive and Coordination FunctionsLanguage's persuasive and coordination functions are essential features, but it's crucial to ensure truth isn't compromised. Ethical considerations are vital when persuading others.

      While language is used for accurate description, its persuasive and advocacy functions are not flaws but essential features. These aspects of language, such as persuasion and coordination, have evolved alongside our cognitive abilities and serve important purposes. However, it's crucial to recognize that there is not always a necessary alignment between truth and persuasive language. Therefore, while great storytellers and advocates can be valuable, it's essential to ensure that truth is not being compromised. Ethically, those who persuade, in any metaphorical sense, have a duty to not mislead or convince people of falsehoods. The relationship between language, truth, and persuasion raises important ethical questions, with scientists and advocates working together to ensure that reality is accurately understood and acted upon. This discussion also brings to mind historical examples, like Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union, where distorted versions of truth were promoted with detrimental consequences.

    • The limits of language and technology in controlled environmentsEven in controlled environments, progress and innovation may not be immediate or certain, and understanding the social and cultural context is crucial for effective language and technology development.

      Even in the most controlled environments, where the stakes are high, and the pressure to deliver is immense, progress and innovation may not always be as swift or certain as we'd like. This idea was explored in Arkady and Boris Strugatsky's novel "The First Circle," where linguists in a Soviet labor camp were tasked with creating a speech technology to protect against spies. Despite their best efforts and promises, they couldn't deliver, and their lives hung in the balance based on their ability to convince their oppressors of their progress. The story serves as a reminder that the real world imposes constraints that even language and technology cannot completely circumvent. This lesson holds true in today's fast-paced world, where we're constantly striving for the next breakthrough, but must remember that progress may not always be linear or immediate. Nick Enfield, in the podcast, discussed this concept further, highlighting how language and technology evolve in response to social and cultural needs. He emphasized the importance of understanding the context and constraints that shape these developments, and the role of linguistic anthropology in shedding light on these complex processes. Overall, the conversation underscored the intricacies of language and technology, and the enduring relevance of studying them in their social contexts.

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    Welcome to the November 2021 Ask Me Anything episode of Mindscape! These monthly excursions are funded by Patreon supporters (who are also the ones asking the questions). I take the large number of questions asked by Patreons, whittle them down to a more manageable size — based primarily on whether I have anything interesting to say about them, not whether the questions themselves are good — and sometimes group them together if they are about a similar topic. Enjoy!

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    43 | Matthew Luczy on the Pleasures of Wine

    43 | Matthew Luczy on the Pleasures of Wine
    Some people never drink wine; for others, it’s an indispensable part of an enjoyable meal. Whatever your personal feelings might be, wine seems to exhibit a degree of complexity and nuance that can be intimidating to the non-expert. Where does that complexity come from, and how can we best approach wine? To answer these questions, we talk to Matthew Luczy, sommelier and wine director at Mélisse, one of the top fine-dining restaurants in the Los Angeles area. Matthew insisted that we actually drink wine rather than just talking about it, so drink we do. Therefore, in a Mindscape first, I recruited a third party to join us and add her own impressions of the tasting: science writer Jennifer Ouellette, who I knew would be available because we’re married to each other. We talk about what makes different wines distinct, the effects of aging, and what’s the right bottle to have with pizza. You are free to drink along at home, with exactly these wines or some other choices, but I think the podcast will be enjoyable whether you do or not. Support Mindscape on Patreon or Paypal. Mattew Luczy is a Certified Sommelier as judged by the Court of Master Sommeliers. He currently works as the Wine Director at Mélisse in Santa Monica, California. He is also active in photography and music. Mélisse home page Personal/photography page Instagram Ask a Somm: When Should I Decant Wine? See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    26 | Ge Wang on Artful Design, Computers, and Music

    26 | Ge Wang on Artful Design, Computers, and Music
    Everywhere around us are things that serve functions. We live in houses, sit on chairs, drive in cars. But these things don't only serve functions, they also come in particular forms, which may be emotionally or aesthetically pleasing as well as functional. The study of how form and function come together in things is what we call "Design." Today's guest, Ge Wang, is a computer scientist and electronic musician with a new book called Artful Design: Technology in Search of the Sublime. It's incredibly creative in both substance and style, featuring a unique photo-comic layout and many thoughtful ideas about the nature of design, both practical and idealistic. Ge Wang received his Ph.D. in computer science from Princeton University, and is currently Associate Professor at the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University. He is the author of the ChucK programming language for musical applications, and co-founder of the mobile-app developer Smule. He has given a well-known TED talk where he demonstrates Ocarina, an app for turning an iPhone into a wind instrument. Stanford Web page Artful Design home page (and Amazon page) TED talk on the DIY Orchestra of the Future Stanford Laptop Orchestra Smule Wikipedia page Twitter     See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.