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    424. Common Ground on Climate and Nuclear Energy | Dr. Dennis Whyte

    enFebruary 19, 2024

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    • Harnessing the Power of the Stars: Fusion EnergyFusion energy, which powers the sun and stars, offers unlimited clean energy at a low cost and is facilitated by advancements in materials and computational technology, with one variant producing more energy than it consumed last year.

      Fusion energy, the process of changing hydrogen into heavier elements and the primary energy source of the universe, offers the potential for unlimited clean energy at a low cost. Fusion distinguishes itself from standard nuclear energy and chemical reactions with its ability to release energy on a much larger scale. The fusion revolution is being facilitated by advancements in materials and computational technology, with one variant producing more energy than it consumed last year. Fusion, which powers the sun and stars, is the most effective energy source due to its ability to change elements and release massive amounts of energy. The challenge is to harness this energy on Earth, leading to significant consequences different from chemical, fossil fuel, or standard nuclear energy.

    • The Natural Process of Fusion in Stars vs. Fusion on EarthStars naturally sustain fusion reactions due to extreme temperature and pressure, while Earth-based fusion attempts require magnetic containment

      Fusion, the process that powers stars, occurs naturally only in the core of stars due to the extreme temperature and pressure conditions. These conditions allow enough fusion reactions to occur, creating a self-sustaining process that keeps the star hot. While we have been able to induce fusion reactions on Earth using particle accelerators for nearly a century, the challenge lies in maintaining the temperature of the hydrogen fuel to keep it fusing continuously. The sun and stars maintain their temperature through their own gravity, which prevents the hot core from escaping and cooling down. To attempt fusion on Earth using the same process as stars would require something the size of a star, making it impractical. Instead, we explore using magnetic fields to contain and manipulate the plasma to achieve fusion.

    • Fusion is safe due to small fuel amount and inherent safety mechanismsFusion, a clean energy source, is safe due to the small amount of fuel used and the stability of helium produced, which makes it an efficient and non-dangerous process.

      Despite the extremely high temperatures involved, fusion is not dangerous due to the very small amount of fuel used and the inherent safety mechanisms in the fusion process itself. Stars, including our sun, primarily consist of hydrogen that is brought together by gravity, leading to fusion reactions. Unlike nuclear fission, fusion does not create a chain reaction but rather a thermal process, converting fuel into helium and releasing heat that triggers more fusion reactions. The stability of helium makes fusion an efficient energy process. The fusion fuel's low particle count and the rapid heat dissipation are the reasons fusion is not dangerous, making it a promising clean energy source.

    • Fusion reactions in plasmas result in energy loss as heatFusion reactions cannot generate net energy due to heat loss in plasmas where atoms are disintegrated and electrons are separated, making obtaining and maintaining fusion conditions difficult

      Fusion reactions, like those triggered by MIT graduate students, cannot produce net energy due to the loss of energy as heat in the system. This is because the process involves increasing the temperature and movement of hydrogen atoms in a plasma, which is a different phase of matter at extremely high temperatures. In a plasma, atoms are disintegrated and their electrons are pulled away from their nuclei, resulting in freely moving charged particles. The unique properties of plasmas make obtaining and maintaining the necessary conditions for fusion challenging, as the positively charged particles repel each other through electromagnetic forces even before physical contact. So, while increasing the temperature and compressing hydrogen atoms can increase the probability of fusion, most of the energy supplied is lost as heat.

    • Understanding Plasma Behaviors for Fusion EnergyPlasma, a charged particle state of matter, exhibits randomized motion for individuals but predictable statistical behaviors for large groups. Scientists study plasma using statistical methods and measure individual interactions to understand fusion probability, crucial for developing fusion as a potential energy source.

      Plasma, a state of matter composed of charged particles, exhibits complex collective behaviors due to electrostatic forces, which allow for interactions without physical contact. This results in randomized motion for individual particles but predictable statistical behaviors for large ensembles. To contain and study plasma, scientists use statistical approaches and measure individual particle interactions at specific energies. The probability of fusion occurring depends on temperature, and understanding this relationship is crucial for developing fusion as a potential energy source. Despite the challenge of replicating the extreme temperatures and densities found in natural plasma sources like the sun, research continues in creating controlled environments using technologies like magnetic confinement and high-powered lasers.

    • Understanding energy confinement time in fusion energyFusion energy requires specific fuel conditions, including high temperature, density, and effective containment. Different fusion methods rely on varying densities and energy confinement times to achieve these conditions.

      Fusion energy requires both high temperature and density in fuel, as well as effective containment of energy and particles. This concept, known as energy confinement time, is crucial for achieving net energy output from fusion reactions. Scientists in the 1950s introduced this concept, and it's essential to understand that different fusion approaches, such as magnetic fusion and laser fusion, rely on varying densities and energy confinement times to achieve the necessary conditions for fusion. For instance, magnetic fusion uses very low-density fuel and requires an energy confinement time of around one second, while laser fusion uses much higher densities and longer energy confinement times. Understanding this fundamental principle helps clarify the role of seemingly disparate components, like magnets and lasers, in the pursuit of fusion energy.

    • Using powerful magnetic fields to contain charged particles in fusion researchMagnetic confinement in fusion research uses magnetic fields to prevent particles from touching walls and create a sustainable power source, despite the energy required to maintain these fields

      Fusion research involves various approaches, such as magnetic confinement and laser compression, each with unique advantages and challenges. Magnetic confinement uses powerful magnetic fields to contain charged particles in circular orbits, preventing them from touching the walls and causing a reaction. This method relies on the Lorentz force, which exerts a force orthogonal to both the magnetic field and the charged particle. The confinement space is an enclosed magnetic field with relatively low-density hydrogen, which becomes plasma when heated enough for most particles to carry a charge. The goal is to create a sustainable power source, not just a brief reaction. Despite the energy required to create and maintain these strong magnetic fields, the potential benefits of fusion as a clean energy source make it a worthwhile pursuit.

    • Optimizing magnetic fields for fusion reactionsMagnetic fields play a crucial role in holding hot fuel particles in place during fusion reactions, with strength depending on temperature and velocity. Stronger fields enable higher energy gains at shorter confinement times, created by electromagnets that do not physically contact the fuel.

      In magnetic confinement fusion, the strength of the magnetic field plays a crucial role in holding the hot fuel particles in place. The higher the temperature and velocity of the particles, the stronger the magnetic field required. This relationship allows for the optimization of temperature and velocity in fusion reactions, making it easier to achieve net energy gain and build smaller engineering systems. The magnetic field also increases the strength of the fuel's density, enabling access to higher energy gains at lower energy confinement times. The magnetic fields used in fusion are created by electromagnets, which do not physically contact the fuel, but instead create a magnetic field at a distance that encases the fuel and prevents the heat from escaping. The magnetic confinement system is designed to segregate the hot fuel from the cold temperatures of the external environment, and the heat generated can be harnessed and converted into transmissible energy or mechanical force through various methods.

    • Fusion Energy: Creating Energy from Hydrogen CollisionsFusion generates energy from hydrogen collisions, contained by magnetic fields, releasing heat and electricity, with a clean ash product of helium

      Fusion energy is generated when two heavy forms of hydrogen collide, forming new particles and releasing energy through the kinetic energy of the resulting particles. This process is physically isolated, with magnetic fields creating a containment system. The energy is then converted into heat, which sustains the reaction. Some particles, like neutrons, can escape the magnetic containment due to their lack of electric charge, releasing energy that is eventually converted into electricity. Fusion's ash product is a stable helium nucleus, making it a clean and simple energy source compared to nuclear fission.

    • Transforming kinetic energy into heat through nuclear fusion reactionsFusion generates heat through nuclear reactions, which can be used for various applications, and the neutrons produced are absorbed by a blanket material to create sustainable and reliable energy

      Fusion is an attractive energy source due to its ability to produce heat, which can be used for various applications such as electricity generation and industrial processes. The process involves converting major kinetic energy into heat through nuclear fusion reactions, and the neutrons produced in these reactions are captured by a "blanket" material, which absorbs their energy and heats up. Fusion is currently being pursued as an alternative energy source despite the challenges and existing fission technology, as it has the potential to provide a sustainable and reliable energy source once decarbonization becomes a societal priority.

    • Fusion: A Significant Alternative to Traditional Energy SourcesFusion, a promising alternative to traditional energy sources, faces unique challenges like safety concerns, long-term waste storage, and proliferation issues, but its inherent safety, long-term sustainability, and minimal raw material requirements make it an attractive option for the future.

      Fusion, as an almost universal high energy density, dispatchable energy source, is a significant alternative to traditional energy sources like fission. However, it comes with its unique challenges such as safety concerns, long-term waste storage, and proliferation issues. Despite these challenges, fusion's inherent safety, long-term sustainability, and minimal raw material requirements make it an attractive option for the future. The free market and technological advancements are expected to play a role in deciding the future of energy production. Fusion, though not yet commercially viable, has been a topic of research for decades, and recent advancements in magnetic technology offer hope for a viable fusion reactor in the future. However, it is essential to acknowledge that fusion is not a monolithic solution and requires continuous research and engineering efforts to overcome its challenges.

    • Societal Needs, Scientific Advancements, and Technological Innovations Drive Fusion Energy ProgressSocietal demand for carbon-free energy, scientific understanding of fusion reactions, and recent technological advancements like increased computational power and new superconductor materials have led to significant progress in fusion energy development

      The development of fusion energy as a viable energy source has been driven by a combination of societal needs, scientific advancements, and technological innovations. The societal need for massive amounts of carbon-free energy to decarbonize has increased the focus on fusion as a potential solution. The scientific understanding of fusion reactions and the criteria for achieving net energy have been known for decades, but practical applications have only become possible due to recent technological advances, such as increased computational power and new superconductor materials. These synergies have led to significant progress in the field, with major scientific breakthroughs in magnetic confinement and laser fusion in the last decade. The public may not see the decades of work behind these advancements, but they represent a significant step towards making fusion a reality.

    • Advancements in technology bring fusion energy closer to realityRecent advancements in superconducting materials, computing power, and laser technology are making fusion energy production more efficient, cost-effective, and commercially viable.

      Recent advancements in superconducting materials, computing power, and laser technology are making fusion energy production a more viable and commercially relevant prospect. These advancements have led to significant improvements in the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of fusion containment systems, bringing us closer to achieving net energy gain at a commercially relevant scale. Companies and research institutions are investing resources into building the infrastructure and manufacturing the necessary components, with projections suggesting it could be a few years before we see hundreds of millions of watts of fusion power. These investments indicate a belief in the potential of fusion energy and a growing interest in it over more proven technologies like fission. However, there are still some unclear aspects that need further discussion.

    • Fusion Energy's Potential Beyond DecarbonizationFusion energy offers significant potential for driving down energy costs, improving economic conditions, and enabling various applications like desalination and chemical production.

      Fusion energy, despite being a complex physics problem due to the equal ensemble of hydrogen species and electrons with vastly different masses leading to unique challenges, offers significant potential beyond decarbonization. Its potential to drive down energy costs could lead to improved economic conditions and longer-term environmental sustainability considerations. This could open up possibilities for various applications, such as desalination and chemical production, making them widely accessible. As technologists proposing fusion energy systems, our challenge is to demonstrate its viability as a genuinely inexpensive and universally available energy source.

    • Shifting focus from scientific viability to commercial competitiveness of fusion energyThe future of fusion energy depends on its affordability and scalability, with advancements in atomic level deposition 3D printing and AI systems holding potential solutions.

      While the scientific viability of fusion energy is established, the focus has shifted towards making it commercially competitive. The challenge lies in effectively extracting heat and ensuring the reliability of the integrated engineering systems in the intense environment. The cost of fusion is the new question, and various approaches are being explored to answer it. The marketplace will ultimately determine the success of fusion as an energy source. The physics of fusion matters, but its affordability and scalability are crucial for widespread adoption. The future holds exciting possibilities with advancements in atomic level deposition 3D printing and AI systems, which could lead to inexpensive and accessible technologies.

    • The integration of AI in education and engineeringAI can accelerate progress in fields like fusion, but also raises questions about human expertise and academic system's readiness to adapt. Universities are important places for knowledge accumulation and innovation, and AI could serve as an instantiation of this dynamic.

      The integration of artificial intelligence (AI) in fields like education and engineering can lead to significant advancements and synergies, but also raises important questions about the role of human expertise and the readiness of academic systems to adapt. The speaker, a professor with extensive experience in fusion research, recounted how some colleagues initially viewed AI as a threat to cheat on exams, but he warned them of the potential impact on their own jobs. He also highlighted the challenge of transitioning from science-only programs to integrated engineering and energy products, which he argued is a major issue in the field of fusion. However, he saw great potential in using AI to analyze data from fusion experiments and even run power plants. Students are already using AI to train on decades of human expertise, and the speaker himself has experimented with using AI as a dialogue partner for problem-solving. He emphasized the importance of universities as places where knowledge is accumulated and innovations are born through interactions between students and senior experts, and suggested that AI could serve as an instantiation of this dynamic. Overall, the speaker saw AI as a tool that could accelerate progress in fields like fusion, but also emphasized the importance of human expertise and the need for academic systems to adapt to this new reality.

    • Fusion technology revolution through additive manufacturingAdvancements in additive manufacturing are revolutionizing fusion technology, enabling the creation of complex objects with intricate designs and potential applications ranging from energy production to medical advancements.

      Fusion technology is on the brink of a revolution, thanks to advancements in additive manufacturing. This technology allows for the creation of complex physical objects with intricate designs, mimicking nature's cooling systems and even biological functions at the atomic scale. Dr. White, a leading researcher in this field, shares his optimistic perspective, drawing parallels to the can-do attitude of engineers during the 1950s and 1970s. He grew up in rural Saskatchewan with a fascination for fusion technology, which eventually led him to MIT. The future of fusion technology is exciting, and the potential applications, from energy production to medical advancements, are virtually limitless. As Dr. White looks forward to discussing his personal journey and the development of his interest in fusion technology further, we can't help but be inspired by his passion and the endless possibilities that lie ahead.

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    Alex Epstein is an energy theorist, the founder and president of the Center for Industrial Progress and an author. During any discussion about fossil fuels, the focus only ever seems to be on the negative side effects, but what about the positives? Alex believes that we need more, not less fossil fuels to improve global human flourishing, and today he makes his case. Expect to learn why solar & wind energy can't fix our energy problems, how nuclear plants have become so demonised, why Alex thinks that climate change activists fundamentally hate humanity, his views on Extinction Rebellion, why fossil fuels reduce environmental catastrophes and much more... Sponsors: Get 20% discount on the highest quality CBD Products from Pure Sport at https://puresportcbd.com/modernwisdom (use code: MW20) Get 83% discount & 3 months free from Surfshark VPN at https://surfshark.deals/MODERNWISDOM (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Buy The Moral Case For Fossil Fuels - https://amzn.to/2QyDkeE Follow Alex on Twitter - https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein  Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    Travis Knight: Is There a Future for Nuclear Energy in America? The Ever-Changing Field and His Journey Through It

    Travis Knight: Is There a Future for Nuclear Energy in America? The Ever-Changing Field and His Journey Through It

    Travis Knight, the director of the UofSC College of Engineering and Computing's nuclear engineering program, joins host Abe Danaher to talk about nuclear energy. First, Travis describes his winding journey through the field (1:39) and why he chose to stay the course despite all the obstacles (6:21). Then, he describes the sinking feeling he felt when he heard the news of the V.C. Summer project (10:33) and how it is emblematic of the larger problem facing nuclear energy in America (15:20). Next, he explains what the future of nuclear energy looks like (20:42) before discussing why the current generation of students is so important to the future of the field (25:03). Lastly, he shares the message he tells to people who don't believe nuclear energy is a good thing (27:53) and the many reasons that he believes nuclear energy is a necessity for the security and well-being of the American people (34:24).

     The music for this episode was graciously provided by Columbia's own, "No Way Jose!"

    EU pushes back on ‘too big to care’ tech companies

    EU pushes back on ‘too big to care’ tech companies

    US and European corporate bond markets have started September with a bang, the EU released a list of digital services that will have to comply with the bloc’s new regulations, and the FT’s Alice Hancock explains how Europe’s drought is hitting the agriculture and energy industries. 


    Mentioned in this podcast:

    US and European companies rush to issue debt before rate decisions

    Big Tech faces fresh legal obligations as Brussels lists services bound by new rules

    Retail investors power into uranium

    Europe’s water crisis: how supplies turned to ‘gold dust’


    The FT News Briefing is produced by Fiona Symon, Sonja Hutson, Kasia Broussalian and Marc Filippino. Additional help from Monique Mulima, Monica Lopez, Peter Barber, Michael Lello, David da Silva and Gavin Kallmann. Topher Forhecz is the FT’s executive producer. The FT’s global head of audio is Cheryl Brumley. The show’s theme song is by Metaphor Music.


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    Fusion Modeling: Using Big Computers to Understand One of the Universe's Biggest Secrets

    Fusion Modeling: Using Big Computers to Understand One of the Universe's Biggest Secrets
    Fusion energy is a possible long-term energy solution to provide the energy needed to drive economic growth and social development. Harnessing the energy of the Sun and stars here on Earth requires a detailed understanding of the behavior of matter at extreme temperature and density conditions. Massive simulations, using up to one million computer processors (equivalent to hundreds of thousands of laptops working simultaneously) play a critical role in this research. They allow us to test different theories and explore different fusion approaches, such as fast ignition of the fusion fuel. Postdoctoral Fellow at Lawrence Livermore National Lab Frederico Fiuza discusses the challenges associated with fusion modeling, and how the outstanding computational resources and advanced computer graphics at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory help us to create a miniature Sun on Earth. Series: "Lawrence Livermore National Lab Science on Saturday" [Science] [Show ID: 28464]