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    49. Christiana Figueres: COP28, Costa Rica, and surviving the climate crisis

    enDecember 04, 2023

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    • COP 28: Annual Climate Change Summit with Global Stock TakeCOP 28 in Dubai includes a global stock take, where countries report progress on decarbonization and resilience efforts, but scientific requirements for emission reduction are not being met.

      The COP 28 summit, currently underway in Dubai, is an annual meeting of parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. This year's conference is significant because it includes a "global stock take," where countries report their progress on decarbonization and increasing resilience efforts. However, the answer to whether we are moving fast enough to meet the scientific requirements is no. The location of the summit in an oil and gas exporting country like Dubai has been a topic of discussion, but it was the decision of the region to host it there. The summit is unusual in a statistical sense, as it's only happened once before in an oil-producing country, Qatar. The summit's goal is to control greenhouse gas emissions and set guardrails for the global economy's decarbonization. Despite the challenges, it's crucial for countries to come together and find solutions to mitigate climate change.

    • COP28 President's Impartiality ConcernsThe COP28 president's impartiality is a concern due to his previous role in ADNOC, potentially undermining the summit's effectiveness and credibility. Fossil fuel companies' resistance to climate policies due to oil and gas profits from the Ukraine conflict is also a challenge for the energy sector's transition.

      The impartiality of the COP president, who is also the head of ADNOC, the state-owned oil and gas company of the UAE, is a major concern for the upcoming COP28 summit. The potential conflict of interest could undermine the effectiveness and credibility of the event. The executive secretary of the climate convention emphasized the importance of impartiality for the COP president and the challenge it presents in this case, given the UAE leader's previous role in ADNOC. Additionally, the transition of fossil fuel companies to renewable energy has been a topic of discussion. While many publicly traded companies were sincerely transitioning before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the sudden surge in oil and gas profits due to the conflict led many of these companies to prioritize their old business model and resist climate policies, which is concerning for the future of the energy sector.

    • Lessons Learned from Copenhagen SummitThe Paris Agreement was a result of learning from the failed Copenhagen summit, emphasizing transparency and consensus to achieve global energy independence.

      The Paris Agreement of 2015 was a result of five years of hard work following the failed Copenhagen summit of 2009. The Paris Agreement was intended to strengthen energy independence of countries and reduce dependence on complicated oil and gas exporting regimes. At Copenhagen, the process was poorly managed, leading to a disaster that marked those involved. Lessons learned included the need for transparency and no more small, secretive meetings. The Paris Agreement was approved by consensus, with no voting rules, making the chairperson's sense of support crucial. The failure at Copenhagen and the lessons learned paved the way for the successful Paris Agreement.

    • Historic Paris Agreement achieved through unanimous UN decisionDespite complex negotiations involving 67 issues and leaders with varying priorities, the Paris Agreement was achieved, marking a groundbreaking global cooperation to address climate change

      The Paris Agreement, a historically significant global climate accord, was achieved through a unanimous decision at the UN, following years of contentious negotiations and late-night meetings. This high standard was set to ensure every country's agreement, recognizing that every nation is affected by climate change and can contribute differently. The complexity of the agreement, involving 67 issues across five parallel tracks, required extensive collaboration and input from world leaders. The tendency to leave negotiations until the last minute often stems from the involvement of leaders with varying priorities, making it challenging to keep the agreement intact without their presence. Despite the challenges, the Paris Agreement represents a groundbreaking achievement in global cooperation to address climate change.

    • Negotiating the Paris Agreement: A Tetris Game of National ContributionsThe Paris Agreement marked a shift towards recognizing climate action as a shared responsibility, with countries making legally binding emissions reduction commitments and involving all stakeholders.

      The Paris Agreement, a landmark international accord aimed at mitigating climate change, involved a complex and intricate negotiation process. Countries had to work together to develop a text that recognized historical responsibility and future accountability, leading to a unique agreement based on national contributions. This meant each country made a legally binding commitment to reduce emissions and undergo monitoring and evaluation. Moreover, the Paris Agreement marked a shift in recognizing that climate action was not just the responsibility of national governments, but also corporations, financial institutions, and individuals. The negotiation process was compared to a constantly moving Tetris game, with every piece connected and interdependent. For example, the recognition of historical and future responsibility was a significant departure from previous agreements, as developing countries demanded equal accountability. The Paris Agreement's emphasis on national contributions and involving all stakeholders made it a groundbreaking accord in the fight against climate change.

    • Personal experiences shape growth and empathyThrough difficult personal experiences, one can learn valuable lessons and develop empathy for others.

      Personal experiences, even those that are difficult and painful, can lead to growth and increased empathy. Alastair Campbell, a British political strategist, shared how his divorce and mental health struggles occurred during a challenging time in his career. Despite the challenges, he learned valuable lessons that he applied to his work and became more empathetic towards others going through similar experiences. He emphasized that it's impossible to truly understand someone else's situation unless you've experienced it yourself. Additionally, Campbell comes from a family with a strong tradition of public service, and he reflected on the personal cost his father paid during his long tenure as the President of Costa Rica. The demands of public life took a toll on his father's time with his family and his mental health. Campbell acknowledged the sacrifice his father made for his country and the impact it had on their relationship.

    • Costa Rica's Former President Don Pepe's Sacrifice for the NationDon Pepe's dedication to Costa Rica led to a lack of army, investment in education and biodiversity, and inspired his children to make a difference. The world could learn from Costa Rica's priorities.

      Former Costa Rican President Don Pepe's dedication to serving his country came at the cost of being an involved father to his own children. He saw himself as the father of the nation and focused on outlawing the army, rewriting the constitution, and investing in education and biodiversity. His legacy has inspired his children to dedicate themselves to making the world a better place, even if it meant sacrificing personal relationships. Costa Rica's lack of a standing army is a source of national pride, despite potential concerns during turbulent times. The world could learn from Costa Rica's investment in education and biodiversity instead of military budgets. Don Pepe's actions demonstrate the power of individual responsibility and vision in creating positive change.

    • Lessons from a humble Costa Rican leader during turbulent timesHumility and effective communication can help bridge differences and address complex issues like climate change

      The personal quality of humility, demonstrated by Costa Rican President Jose Figueres Ferrer during a turbulent time in Latin American politics in the mid-20th century, is a valuable lesson for leaders navigating complex and high-pressure situations. Figueres, a self-taught and humble leader, was able to bring disparate opinions to common ground despite geopolitical tensions. Climate change is another pressing issue that requires urgent attention. It's already affecting the quality of life around the world, with record-breaking temperatures, droughts, wildfires, and ocean warming. If left unchecked, it could force millions to migrate from uninhabitable areas, leading to potential military conflicts, economic pressure, and political chaos. It's crucial that we take steps to mitigate climate change and adapt to its impacts.

    • COP28's Impact on Climate Action and Global PopulationCOP28 could lead to important decisions like increasing renewable energy and capitalizing the Fund for Loss and Damage, but the debate over phasing out vs. down fossil fuels remains a contentious issue.

      The current COP28 conference holds significant implications for the future of climate action and the world's population, particularly those living in poverty. If we fail to address climate change effectively, we risk exacerbating poverty and creating unmanageable challenges for global peace, trade, and food production. The insurance industry has already warned of a "systemically uninsurable scenario" if temperatures rise above 2 degrees Celsius, which could mean no access to insurance for essentials like homes, life, and health. A successful COP28 could lead to important decisions, such as increasing renewable energy production to 40% by 2030 and capitalizing the Fund for Loss and Damage to support developing countries affected by climate change. However, a major point of contention is whether countries will commit to phasing out fossil fuels instead of just phasing them down, as previously agreed. This small change in wording could have significant implications for global efforts to combat climate change.

    • Words Matter in Climate Policy DebatesThe debate around climate policy is influenced by the choice of words and geopolitical factors, but market forces and the real economy may ultimately drive the energy transition

      Words matter, particularly in legal and political contexts. The difference between phrases like "phase down" and "phase out" can have significant implications, as seen in the ongoing debate around climate policy. The oil and gas industry, for instance, may prefer the former term to avoid the connotation of complete elimination. Another significant factor influencing the climate debate is geopolitics and the rise of populism. Populist leaders who question climate science or push back on climate targets can hinder progress towards meeting climate goals. However, the growing influence of market forces and the real economy may ultimately have a greater impact on the decarbonization of the economy than geopolitics. Christiana Figueres, a key figure in the Paris Agreement negotiations, emphasized the importance of collaboration between countries, despite political tensions. She also highlighted the increasing role of market forces in driving the energy transition. In summary, while geopolitics and populism pose challenges to addressing climate change, the engine of transformation is shifting from politics to the real economy. The language used in policy discussions and the influence of market forces will play crucial roles in the decarbonization of the economy.

    • Former UN climate chief shares experience of growing up with a president as a fatherBeing a leader and a good parent can be challenging, leaving little time for family life, and some may find it unbearable.

      The demands of leadership and the responsibilities of parenthood can often seem incompatible. This was poignantly expressed by Christiana Figueres, the former UN climate chief, who shared her experience growing up as the child of a president in Costa Rica. Figueres described the moment her father told her he had "3,000,000 children," which she interpreted as a metaphor for his commitment to his country. However, she acknowledged that a young child might not understand the figure of speech and could be left feeling confused or neglected. Figueres' story echoes those of other political figures, including Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sevko Kacar, whose children have shown enduring love and respect for their challenging fathers. Despite the modern emphasis on work-life balance, Figueres suggested that the demands of leadership can leave little time for family life. She acknowledged that trying to excel in high-stress situations like politics while being a good parent is a challenge, and some people may find the idea unbearable. Figueres, who has been a strong advocate for addressing climate change, also expressed optimism that progress is being made, but critics argue that the world is still heavily reliant on fossil fuels and that more radical action is needed.

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    At COP28, a pledge to triple nuclear capacity - but can it be done?

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    Correspondents Camilla Naschert and Camellia Moors spoke with experts across the nuclear energy and uranium mining industries about the declaration. Listen in to hear Antony Froggatt at Chatham House, Kirsty Gogan at TerraPraxis, Timothy Fox at ClearView Energy Partners, and Ross McElroy at Fission Uranium talk about the pledge, what it could mean for a global nuclear power expansion, and how the uranium industry is responding to promises of a nuclear build-out.
     
    Tune in to Energy Evolution to stay up-to-date on the energy transition and its implications. The show is co-hosted by veteran journalists Dan Testa and Taylor Kuykendall.