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    632: The “Conveyor Belt” System That’ll Build You a BIG Rental Portfolio Quickly w/Jake and Gino

    enJuly 07, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Start investing in real estate nowCommit to real estate investing, pick a niche, and start today for potential long-term success. Understand market cycles and exit strategies to maximize returns.

      No matter the current market conditions, the best time to start investing in real estate is now. Jake and Gino, multifamily specialists on the Bigger Pockets Podcast, emphasized the importance of making a commitment and starting today, whether in single family homes, multifamily, self storage, or mobile home parks. They've seen their own success grow from 300 units to 1800 units over the years, and they shared their insights on syndication, market cycles, and exit strategies. The key is to understand your "why" and pick a niche to learn well. Additionally, they offered valuable advice on combining exit strategies with market cycles to create successful investment strategies. Don't miss the full episode for more insights from Jake and Gino. If you're interested in passive real estate investing, consider checking out PPR Capital Management for investment opportunities.

    • Exploring various financing options and strategies to grow real estate portfoliosSuccessful investors adapt to changing market conditions by using multiple financing tools and strategies, including no money down investments, creative financing, and working with lenders like Host Financial for streamlined investment processes and income-based underwriting.

      Successful real estate investors continue to explore various financing options and strategies to grow their portfolios. Jake and Gino, who have amassed over 1900 units and $130 million in assets, have shifted from syndications to building and developing due to the challenges of finding good deals in the current market. They emphasized the importance of having multiple tools in your tool belt, such as no money down investments and creative financing, to adapt to changing market conditions. Additionally, working with lenders like Host Financial, which offers easy qualification processes and income-based underwriting, can streamline the investment process and help investors grow their portfolios faster.

    • Shifting focus to smaller deals and employee engagementEntrepreneur adapts to competition by focusing on smaller deals and engaging employees with investment opportunities, increasing rents and satisfaction.

      This real estate entrepreneur has adapted to increased competition in larger deals by shifting focus to smaller deals and even starting a development company. He also shared his unique approach to employee engagement, allowing team members to invest in deals after two years of employment, which has proven effective in retaining talent and aligning interests. This not only benefits the employees but also motivates them to actively participate in the success of the deals. The entrepreneur's vision is to sell education and mentorship while aligning team members' interests, leading to a more engaged and invested team. This innovative approach has led to positive outcomes, including increased rents and higher employee satisfaction.

    • Creating a strong company culture and hiring invested individualsAligning vision and interests leads to better outcomes and increased investment in success. Hire talented individuals who share the mission and values, and create an empowering work environment. Focus on buying right, managing right, and financing right in real estate investing.

      Having a clear vision and aligning the interests of the right people towards that vision can lead to better outcomes and increased investment in the success of a project. This was a key theme in a discussion between David and Gino, who shared their experiences in real estate investing and the importance of creating a strong company culture. They emphasized the importance of hiring and retaining talented individuals who are invested in the mission and values of the organization. This not only leads to better performance but also creates a more empowering and enjoyable work environment. Additionally, they discussed the importance of having a solid framework for conducting business, specifically in real estate investing. They emphasized the need to "buy right, manage right, and finance right." This means carefully considering the market, median income, and other factors when making real estate investments, managing cash flow tightly, and ensuring that financing is in place to support the venture. By focusing on these key areas, investors can increase their chances of success and build a strong, profitable portfolio.

    • 3 pillars of real estate investing: market cycle, debt, and exit strategySuccessful real estate investing requires a long-term business mindset, effective management, understanding of market cycles, and a clear exit strategy. Focus on all three pillars to mitigate risk and maximize returns.

      Successful real estate investing goes beyond just buying and holding properties. It requires a long-term business mindset, effective management, understanding of market cycles, and a clear exit strategy. The 3 pillars of real estate investing - market cycle, debt, and exit strategy - are crucial for mitigating risk and maximizing returns. Many investors focus on market cycles and debt but neglect the importance of an exit strategy. It's essential to determine your desired end goal for each investment to make informed decisions about buying, managing, and financing your properties. By considering all three pillars together, you can make the most of your real estate investments and aim for success over decades.

    • Long-term real estate investing leads to wealth accumulationInvesting in real estate with a long-term perspective can lead to significant wealth accumulation through tax advantages, appreciation, control, and the ability to pass down assets to future generations. Maintain a focus on the end goal and consider options to mitigate risks.

      A long-term perspective in real estate investing can lead to significant wealth accumulation. The speakers shared their experiences of holding onto properties for several years and the benefits that come with it, such as tax advantages, appreciation, control, and the ability to pass down assets to future generations. They emphasized the importance of thinking beyond transactions and focusing on the end goal. Even debt, with long-term terms, can contribute to wealth creation. The speakers also discussed the importance of having options and being prepared for various scenarios, which can help mitigate risks and increase the chances of success. Overall, their advice is to start investing, give assets enough time to appreciate, and maintain a long-term perspective.

    • Learning and adapting in real estate investingContinuous learning and adapting to new strategies is essential for successful real estate investing. Long-term value and control can be achieved through refinancing, seller financing, and building a small, controlled portfolio.

      Successful real estate investing involves continuous learning and adaptation to new strategies. The speaker shares his experiences with refinancing, seller financing, and syndication as methods for growth. However, there are challenges, such as the need to create value for all parties involved and the potential for rough patches in the market or management. Over the long term, real estate has proven to be a valuable asset due to its ability to hold value despite economic instability. The speaker expresses concern about inexperienced real estate influencers rushing into syndication without proper management experience or a long-term perspective. The speaker and his partner chose to build a small, controlled portfolio and avoid the syndication model to maintain control over their investments and their company's destiny.

    • Investing in your own deals as a limited partnerCommunicate longer holding periods, invest own capital, choose experienced syndicators, focus on fundamentals for long-term success.

      Successful syndicators suggest putting significant capital into your own deals as a limited partner, communicating with investors about longer holding periods, and carefully considering the sources of monthly draw payments. These practices can help syndicators avoid the pressure to sell and maintain strong relationships with investors. However, there are risks to be aware of, such as potential rate spikes on bridge debt and the use of capex budgets to supplement preferred returns. It's recommended to invest with experienced syndicators with a proven track record and a solid business plan. The market cycle and economy are ongoing topics of discussion, and opinions vary on whether we have seen the peak or not. Regardless, maintaining a long-term perspective and focusing on strong fundamentals can help mitigate risks and maximize opportunities.

    • Staying Active and Adaptable in Real Estate InvestingDespite economic uncertainty, remain committed and proactive in real estate investing by focusing on growth markets, having solid data, and utilizing multiple strategies.

      Despite economic uncertainty and potential market downturns, it's essential to remain active and adaptable in real estate investing. The speaker emphasizes the importance of being in a growth market, having a solid data set, and having multiple tools and strategies in your investment toolbox. He also shares a personal story of starting during a challenging economic time and encourages starting as soon as you're ready, emphasizing the importance of education and action for achieving results. Overall, the key takeaway is to stay committed and proactive in real estate investing, regardless of market conditions.

    • Real Estate Investment: Streamlined Processes and Expert PartnershipsUsing a specialized insurance company, working with a reputable real estate firm, and implementing a systematic approach can save time, hassle, and increase chances of successful real estate investment.

      For real estate investors looking for insurance coverage, using a specialized company like NREIG can save time and hassle by providing insurance for multiple properties on one schedule. Additionally, for those in the market to buy or sell homes, Redfin offers a streamlined process with constant listing updates and personalized recommendations. For those considering real estate investment, partnering with a reputable company like BAM Capital, which has a proven track record of success, can help navigate market challenges and maximize returns. Lastly, creating a systematic approach to the investment process, such as using a spreadsheet to manage potential properties, can help investors stay organized and increase their chances of finding and securing a successful deal.

    • Determining the best real estate niche and market fitStart by assessing personal goals, resources, and market conditions to find the best real estate niche and market. Secure deals to generate cash flow, equity, and tax benefits, then expand the business through property management, education, development, and more.

      Successful real estate investing requires careful planning and understanding of personal goals, resources, and market conditions. Starting out, it's essential to determine which real estate niche and market are the best fits. Resources, such as capital and time commitment, will also impact the size of deals one can pursue. The goal is to secure as many deals as possible on a conveyor belt, which can then generate cash flow, equity, and tax benefits. As investors grow, they can use these resources to expand their business through property management, education, development, and other ventures. Ultimately, real estate investing becomes a symphony of various strategies and tools working together to create long-term wealth.

    • Maintaining a strong network and effective property management for real estate successTo consistently grow a real estate business, focus on building and maintaining a strong network, systematize the acquisition process, and effectively manage properties through cost savings and in-house teams.

      Consistently growing your real estate business requires keeping an active and open network, whether through raising capital, writing a book, or networking with brokers and deal dogs. Systematizing the acquisition process is crucial to ensure a steady flow of deals, as opportunities may come unexpectedly and in larger quantities. Additionally, managing properties effectively is a critical component of a successful real estate investment, as poor management can negatively impact deals over time. It's essential to find ways to improve property management, such as implementing in-house teams for capital expenditures and focusing on cost savings through long-term investments in supplies and materials. Overall, maintaining a strong network and effective property management are essential to maximizing the potential of real estate investments.

    • Building strong seller relationships leads to successful dealsDedicated teams and persistence pay off in finding profitable real estate deals despite potential obstacles

      Focusing on your own deals and building strong relationships with sellers can lead to successful real estate acquisitions. The speakers in this discussion emphasized their strategy of having a dedicated team to find deals and establishing rapport with sellers, even if it takes time. They shared an example of a 40-unit mom and pop deal in Knoxville, which they found after three months of persistence. The sellers were hesitant due to a prepayment penalty from the bank, but the team was able to close the deal by offering an additional $50,000. This deal ultimately appraised for over $4 million, demonstrating the potential rewards of this approach.

    • Negotiating a Deal and Long-Term ValueFocus on a deal's value rather than small price differences, be flexible during negotiations, and thoroughly research a property's long-term potential before investing.

      In real estate investing, it's essential to focus on the value of a deal rather than getting hung up on small price differences. In this discussion, the investors shared an experience where they negotiated a deal, secured funding through a loan to cost strategy, and plan to hold the property for the long term due to its potential value appreciation. They emphasized the importance of being flexible during negotiations and not letting small differences in price derail a potential deal. Additionally, they highlighted the importance of thorough research and understanding the long-term potential of a property before making an investment.

    • Long-term investment mindset leads to big profitsDelaying gratification and thinking long-term can lead to significant financial gains in real estate investing. Securing the deal quickly is also crucial in certain market cycles.

      Having a long-term investor mindset and being willing to delay gratification can lead to significant financial gains. Jake's decision to invest an additional $50,000 in a deal, despite initial hesitation, ultimately led to a million-dollar profit. Additionally, going in hard on the close and securing the deal is crucial in real estate investing, especially in certain market cycles where deals may not last long. The accounting team played a heroic role in this deal by organizing financial records and packaging them for the bank. Overall, the team's ability to think long-term, manufacture what they could, and move quickly paid off in a successful investment.

    • Valuing numbers, systematization, personal growth, and control in real estateSuccessful real estate pros understand financials, systematize business, prioritize personal growth, and maintain company control. Books like 'Scaling Up' and 'The Small Giants' influence their approach.

      Successful real estate professionals value the importance of both understanding the numbers and systematizing their businesses, as well as maintaining personal growth and control over their companies. The books "Scaling Up" and "The Small Giants" were mentioned as particularly influential in these areas. "Scaling Up" emphasizes the importance of operationalizing and systematizing a business, while "The Small Giants" encourages maintaining control and avoiding external investment. Additionally, personal development books like "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind" and "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" were cited for their impact on mindset and skill development. When not engaged in real estate deals, these professionals enjoy personal projects, such as renovating properties and pursuing hobbies.

    • Clarity and accountability are crucial for success in real estate investingHaving a clear focus, finding a mentor, accepting responsibility, and maintaining a positive mindset are essential for success in real estate investing

      Clarity and accountability are key factors in the success of investors. Lack of clarity about goals and the vehicle to achieve them can lead to failure or giving up. Having a clear focus and finding a mentor or partner who shares the same values and goals can provide the necessary accountability and help overcome challenges. Additionally, accepting full responsibility for outcomes and letting go of victimhood mindset are essential for success in real estate investing. The mindset of an entrepreneur in this field requires dedication and hard work, and a willingness to take responsibility for the ups and downs that come with it. For those who have not yet started investing, developing a clear focus, taking responsibility for outcomes, and maintaining a positive mindset are crucial steps towards success.

    • Focus on being a victim or take responsibility?Taking responsibility for your actions leads to greater success. Persevere through setbacks and don't let them define you. Join Jake and Gino's event, MultifamilyMastery 5, for valuable learning opportunities.

      Focusing on being a victim in life only hurts yourself in the long run. Instead, humbling yourself and taking responsibility for your actions can lead to greater success. Jake and Gino, real estate investors and hosts of the "Jake and Gino" podcast, shared their experiences and wisdom during their interview. They emphasized the importance of perseverance and not letting setbacks define you. They also encouraged listeners to join their event, the MultifamilyMastery 5, for valuable learning opportunities. As for where to find them online, Jake and Gino can be found at jakeandgino.com, while David Green, aka "Rob the 3-Legged Dog," can be found on YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok under the name "Rob Built." David expressed his gratitude for the opportunity to speak on the podcast and thanked the BiggerPockets community for their time.

    • Be informed, seek professional advice, and prepare for potential risksInvesting in real estate involves risks. Use your best judgment, consult advisers, and only risk capital you can afford to lose.

      Investing in real estate, like any other asset, comes with risks. It's crucial to use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisers before making any investment decisions. Remember, only risk capital that you can afford to lose. BiggerPockets LLC disclaims all liability for any damages arising from the use of information presented in this podcast. In essence, be informed, seek professional advice, and be prepared for potential risks when investing in real estate.

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