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    #75 Suzanne Iasenza: Rewriting Relationship Narratives

    enFebruary 04, 2020
    What impact do personal narratives have on relationships?
    How can communication issues stem from personal narratives?
    What considerations are important for open relationships?
    Why are secrets in relationships particularly challenging?
    How do therapists facilitate discussions about secrets and communication?

    Podcast Summary

    • Narratives Shape Our Perceptions and Behaviors in RelationshipsIdentifying and understanding the narratives we hold about ourselves and our partners can help improve communication and relationships.

      Our narratives about ourselves, our partners, and our relationships can significantly impact our experiences and interactions. In this conversation with Suzanne Ayacenda, a psychotherapist and sexual therapist, we explored how these narratives shape our perceptions and behaviors in relationships. Many couples come to her with communication issues, which can often be rooted in a lack of understanding or inability to effectively listen and compromise. However, these communication problems may not always be the root cause – sometimes, the underlying issue is the narratives we hold about ourselves and our partners. By identifying and understanding these narratives, we can work towards changing them and improving our relationships. This is just one of the many insights gained from this intriguing conversation. For more insights and knowledge, be sure to check out The Knowledge Project podcast and Barnum Street's Brain Food newsletter.

    • Effective communication in relationshipsUnderstanding differences, expressing truths, and creating a safe environment for honest dialogue are crucial for effective communication in relationships. Therapists help individuals unpack their definitions of communication and express hidden truths, fostering authentic and compassionate communication.

      Effective communication in relationships goes beyond just exchanging words. It involves understanding differences, expressing truths, and creating a safe environment for honest dialogue. Many couples struggle with communication due to fear, shame, or the belief that their differences mean incompatibility. The therapist's role is to help individuals unpack their definitions of communication and encourage them to express their truths, even if it means dealing with uncomfortable emotions. Secrets and hidden truths can be particularly challenging, as they often involve deep-rooted fears and feelings of shame. The therapist may need to facilitate individual sessions to help individuals feel safe enough to share these truths before bringing them into the couple's therapy sessions. Ultimately, the goal is to help couples learn how to communicate authentically and compassionately, fostering a stronger, more resilient relationship.

    • Secrets in relationships: navigating complex issuesAddressing secrets and promoting open communication in relationships is crucial for growth and understanding, especially in matters of sexual orientation or preferences.

      Secrets in relationships, especially those related to sexual orientation or preferences, can be particularly painful and challenging. These types of secrets can make partners question the foundation of their relationship and even their own reality. Some people may be in denial or assume their partner cannot handle the truth, leading to a lack of communication and potential missed opportunities for growth. In therapy, it's essential to address secrets and establish open communication between partners. This may involve individual sessions and extensive sexual histories, with a focus on privacy versus secrecy and who each partner feels comfortable disclosing information to. Ultimately, therapists must create a safe and trusting environment to help couples navigate these complex issues and work towards their goals.

    • Understanding the Difference Between Secrets and Privacy in RelationshipsSecrets that harm the relationship should be addressed, while private matters may not require intervention unless causing harm. Each partner's perspective matters, and understanding unique relationship dynamics is crucial for growth.

      The lines between secrecy and privacy in relationships can be blurry, and what one partner considers private, the other might view as a secret that needs addressing. The definition of privacy and secrecy can vary greatly between individuals, and it's essential to consider each partner's perspective within the context of their relationship. A secret that negatively impacts the couple should be addressed, while a partner's private fantasy or behavior may not need intervention unless it's causing harm. Over the years, I've learned that predicting which couples will make it and which won't is challenging. Some couples that seem doomed for failure surprise us with their resilience, while others that appear strong on the surface may struggle with deeper issues. Ultimately, the therapeutic process involves understanding the unique dynamics of each couple and providing them with the tools and support they need to navigate their challenges and grow together.

    • Understanding the impact of personal history on relationshipsBecoming aware of deep-rooted narratives from personal history can lead to healing and transformation in relationships.

      The dynamics in a relationship can be influenced by deep-rooted, unconscious narratives that stem from personal history and experiences. These narratives can manifest in unexpected ways, leading to misunderstandings or conflicts. The impact of past relationships, family dynamics, and societal pressures can all contribute to these narratives. Understanding and addressing these narratives is crucial for personal growth and improving relationships. The external narrative of a couple, the one they present to the world, can sometimes mask the complex internal narratives each partner holds about themselves, their partner, and their relationship. These narratives shape our perceptions and interactions, and becoming aware of them can lead to healing and transformation.

    • Understanding the impact of societal narratives on sexual healthSocietal narratives shape our perception of sexual health and dysfunction. Challenging these narratives in therapy can help couples reframe their understanding and focus on connection and communication.

      Our understanding and perception of sexual health and dysfunction are shaped by narratives and diagnoses that have evolved over time. Michael White's work in narrative therapy highlights how external societal narratives can impact our self-perception and relationships. For instance, the introduction of the concept of "desire disorders" in the 1970s and 1980s created a new narrative for sexual dysfunction, leading many couples to believe they are broken if they don't fit into the desired narrative. It's essential to remember that these narratives are not facts but stories that can limit our perspective. In therapy, a narrative therapist might challenge these limiting narratives by asking questions that help couples reframe their understanding of their sexual relationship. The focus should be on finding ways to connect and communicate, rather than adhering to a specific narrative of sexual health or dysfunction.

    • Women's Sexual Response: Arousal Precedes DesireNew research shows women's sexual response begins with arousal, challenging the belief that desire must come first. Focus is now on willingness and pleasure.

      The traditional model of sexual response, which places desire before arousal, does not accurately represent women's experiences. Research conducted in Canada, specifically by Rosemary Basson and others, has shown that for most women, arousal precedes desire. This paradigm shift has led to the removal of desire disorders from the DSM. Instead, willingness and pleasure are now considered the key components of a healthy sexual response. These findings challenge the long-held belief that desire must come before arousal and open up new ways of understanding and addressing sexual issues. Arousal can be triggered by various factors, including physical touch, mental stimulation, and emotional connection. By recognizing the complexity of women's sexual responses and shifting the focus to willingness and pleasure, we can promote a more inclusive and accurate understanding of human sexuality.

    • Understanding Arousal and Sexuality Beyond Attraction and PhysicalityExploring various forms of eroticism and expanding our understanding of sex beyond traditional definitions can lead to more fulfilling experiences as we age.

      Arousal and sexuality are complex and multifaceted, not limited to attraction or physicality. People's experiences and needs change over time, and arousal can be influenced by various factors, including age, individual differences, and the mind. The traditional definition of sex as genital, penetrative, and ending in orgasm is narrow, and expanding our understanding of sex to include broader forms of intimacy and pleasure can lead to more fulfilling experiences as we age. By deconstructing sex and exploring various forms of eroticism, individuals can maintain a rich and satisfying sexual life despite physical limitations.

    • Understanding Sexual Initiation and DesireCommunication, respect, and a willingness to adapt are essential for a fulfilling and satisfying sexual relationship. Gendered scripts and societal expectations can impact individuals' experiences, so creating a safe and open space for exploration is crucial.

      The dynamics of desire, pleasure, and initiation in sexual relationships are complex and multifaceted, influenced by both biological and social factors. While some people may enjoy initiating or being the more aggressive partner, others prefer being more receptive or surrendering. These roles can be fluid and don't necessarily correlate with gender. Some couples may experience challenges in expressing their desires and initiating intimacy, which can lead to feelings of burden or dissatisfaction. It's essential to create a safe and open space for communication and exploration in sexual relationships, allowing both partners to experience pleasure and connection. The gendered scripts and societal expectations around sexual roles can also impact individuals' experiences and contribute to misunderstandings or unmet needs. Ultimately, the key to a fulfilling and satisfying sexual relationship is open communication, mutual respect, and a willingness to adapt and explore together.

    • Gender scripts and assumptions limit expressions of emotions and identitiesGender norms create barriers to authentic connections and limit personal growth by shaping how men and women express emotions and identities

      Gender scripts and assumptions, shaped by societal norms, can limit people's expressions of emotions and identities. For instance, men are often assumed to be unemotional, making it difficult for them to express vulnerability. Conversely, women are stereotyped as emotional messes, making it challenging for them to be assertive leaders. These scripts are being challenged, especially with the rise of the feminist and trans movements, which question the socially constructed nature of gender. The debate continues on what gender truly is, and how it shapes our identities and experiences from birth. Ultimately, these scripts and assumptions can create barriers to authentic connections and limit personal growth. It's essential to challenge these assumptions and strive for a more open-minded and inclusive society.

    • Transforming Narratives in RelationshipsNarratives shape our experiences in relationships and can be transformed to lead to healthier perspectives. Deeply ingrained narratives rooted in past experiences or traumas may be more difficult to change.

      Narratives play a significant role in shaping our perspectives and experiences in relationships. These narratives can age or become outdated, and they may need to be replaced or transformed to better fit new experiences. For some, this might mean dropping old narratives and adopting new ones, while for others, it may involve changing their perspective on existing narratives. In couple therapy, this can involve offering alternative narratives that can help depathologize certain experiences and lead to healthier relationships. For example, instead of seeing differences as a reason to be incompatible, one could view them as complementary. However, some narratives may be deeply ingrained and rooted in past experiences or traumas, making them more difficult to change. Overall, the ability to transform narratives is a powerful tool in therapy, allowing individuals to see their experiences in new and more positive ways.

    • Fear of being alone in relationshipsHelping individuals acknowledge and address their fear of being alone in relationships involves identifying underlying causes and providing supportive therapy. Ending relationships respectfully and focusing on growth opportunities can lead to personal growth.

      Fear of being alone can be a significant barrier for some individuals in leaving unfulfilling relationships. This fear can stem from low self-esteem, the belief that they won't find someone else, or the reality that older adults may face challenges in finding new partners. When working with such individuals in therapy, it's essential to help them identify and acknowledge their true feelings. Some may not even be aware of their fear of being alone, while others may know but struggle to express it due to fear of hurting their partner or themselves. In these cases, individual therapy may be necessary to help them understand and address the deeper issues. When a relationship does end, it's crucial to end it respectfully and honestly, considering the potential impact on any shared children. Conversely, if a couple decides to reconcile after working through their issues in therapy, the first step is to communicate openly and honestly about their intentions and the changes they've made. The second step involves rebuilding trust and intimacy, which can take time and effort. Lastly, it's essential to challenge the narrative that a divorce or breakup equates to failure and instead focus on the growth and learning opportunities that come from these experiences.

    • Divorce as a Transition with Potential for GrowthDivorce doesn't have to be a failure or end, but a transition with potential for growth and learning. Some relationships may continue to be meaningful and transformative even after separation.

      Divorce doesn't have to be a failure or an end, but rather a transition with potential for growth and learning. Some relationships, despite ending, can continue to be meaningful and even transformative. The process can be challenging, especially when children are involved or when one partner is reluctant to separate. However, with the right perspective and support, couples can navigate the separation process in a way that honors the good memories and lessons learned during their time together. Additionally, it's important to recognize that the end of a marriage doesn't necessarily mean the end of a relationship. Some couples, particularly those who have faced significant challenges or have formed deep connections, may choose to maintain a friendship even after separating. Ultimately, the goal is to find a way to move forward with respect, compassion, and a willingness to learn from the experience.

    • Exploring Open Relationships and PolyamoryOpen relationships and polyamory require deep emotional intelligence, honesty, and communication to navigate complex emotions and maintain trust.

      Open relationships and polyamory are complex forms of partnerships that require a high level of consciousness, integrity, honesty, trust, and communication. These relationships can bring up intense emotions like jealousy, envy, and competition, but they don't inherently label someone as more or less mature. The decision to pursue an open relationship should be made with careful consideration, including assessing sexual and family histories, and both partners must be on the same page. The separation process can also be a valuable learning experience, but it may not be feasible for everyone. Ultimately, the success of these relationships depends on the individuals involved and their ability to navigate the complexities with care and respect for each other's emotions.

    • Navigating Difficult Conversations and RelationshipsFocus on repairing relationships during crises, practice empathy, active listening, and constructive speaking for effective communication.

      Effective communication and empathy are key components in navigating difficult conversations and relationships, particularly during a breakup. People have different emotional capacities, and it's essential to create a safe and understanding environment for them to learn and grow. When crises arise, focusing on repairing the relationship and developing skills for recovery, such as active listening and constructive speaking, can help couples move forward. Remember, authentic relationships involve hurt and disappointment, but it's how we respond to these challenges that truly matters. By practicing empathy, understanding, and effective communication, we can build stronger, healthier relationships.

    • Expressing Needs in RelationshipsInstead of blaming or criticizing, express needs using 'I' statements and avoid unfair fighting tactics for effective communication in relationships.

      The way we communicate our needs in relationships can significantly impact how conflicts are resolved. Instead of blaming or criticizing our partners, it's essential to express our needs using "I" statements rather than "you" statements. This simple shift in perspective can help reduce misunderstandings and promote more effective communication. Additionally, being aware of unfair fighting tactics, such as contempt and sarcasm, and focusing on expressing vulnerability and finding common ground can lead to healthier and more fulfilling relationships. It's important to remember that relationships require effort and attention, and neglecting them can lead to conflicts and disconnection. By practicing effective communication and nurturing our relationships like we would a plant, we can ensure they continue to thrive.

    • Expressing love and appreciation in a relationshipRegularly express love, appreciation, and humor to maintain a healthy relationship. Don't neglect it like some do with their cars, invest time and effort.

      Nurturing a relationship goes beyond just falling in love. Expressing gratitude and appreciation towards your partner, no matter their age, is essential for maintaining a healthy and fulfilling relationship. Regularly expressing love and humor, as well as setting aside time for dates and quality moments together, can help keep the relationship strong. Don't neglect your relationship like some people do with their cars – make it a priority and invest time and effort into it. Remember, getting married or committing to a partner is not the end of the story, but rather the beginning of a process that requires ongoing effort and attention. So, tell your partner you love them, make them laugh, and don't forget to show your appreciation – these simple acts can make a big difference in your relationship.

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    #195 Morgan Housel: Get Rich, Stay Rich

    #195 Morgan Housel: Get Rich, Stay Rich

    The skills it takes to get rich are drastically different from the skills it takes to stay rich. Few understand this phenomenon more than Morgan Housel. He's identified unique lessons about wealth, happiness, and money by studying the world's richest families and learning what they did to build their wealth and just how quickly they squandered it all.
    In this conversation, Shane and Housel discuss various aspects of risk-taking, wealth accumulation, and financial independence. Morgan explains the importance of understanding personal financial goals and the dangers of social comparison, lets everyone in on his personal financial “mistake” that instantly made him sleep better at night, and why the poorest people in the world disproportionately play the lottery—and why it makes sense that they do. They also touch on the influence of upbringing on financial behaviors, the difference between being rich and wealthy, and the critical role of compounding in financial success. Of course, we can’t have a writer as good as Morgan Housel on the podcast and not ask him about his process, so Housel concludes with insights into storytelling, his writing processes, and the importance of leading by example in teaching financial values to children.
    Morgan Housel is a partner at Collaborative Fund. Previously, he was an analyst at The Motley Fool. He is a two-time winner of the Best in Business Award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers and was selected by the Columbia Journalism Review for the Best Business Writing anthology. He's the author of two books: The Psychology of Money and Same as Ever.
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    (00:00) Intro

    (04:46) Risk and income

    (07:40) On luck and skill

    (10:10) Buffett's secret strategy

    (12:28) The one trait you need to build wealth

    (16:20) Housel's capital allocation strategy

    (16:48) Index funds, explained

    (20:59) Expectations and moving goalposts

    (22:17) Your house: asset or liability?

    (27:39) Money lies we believe

    (32:12) How to avoid status games

    (35:04) Money rules from parents

    (40:15) Rich vs. wealthy

    (41:46) Housel's influential role models

    (42:48) Why are rich people miserable?

    (45:59) How success sows the seeds of average performance

    (49:50) On risk

    (50:59) Making money, spending money, saving money

    (52:50) How the Vanderbilt's squandered their wealth

    (1:04:11) How to manage your expectations

    (01:06:26) How to talk to kids about money

    (01:09:52) The biggest risk to capitalism

    (01:13:56) The magic of compounding

    (01:16:18) How Morgan reads

    (01:22:42) How to tell the best story

    (01:24:42) How Morgan writes

    (01:35:42) Parting wisdom and thoughts on success

    #194 Abigail Shrier: The Parent-Therapy Trap

    #194 Abigail Shrier: The Parent-Therapy Trap
    Over the last decade, therapy has become the de facto solution to solve all sorts of problems for all sorts of people. Everyone has slowly accepted that therapy is normal and a net benefit to society.

    But instead of helping kids work through difficult circumstances, what if it's just making the problems worse? That's what Abigail Shrier thinks is happening, and in this conversation, she reveals some surprising reasons why.

    Shane and Shrier discuss the real reason therapy is "bad," how we got to this point of acceptance as a culture, and what you can do as a parent to get back to normalcy. Shrier also shares her experiences with lifelong therapy patients, who should actually be in therapy, and the one thing that makes someone a successful parent.

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    (00:00) Intro
    (05:44) Inverse: How do we raise mentally unstable kids?
    (08:29) How we got to now
    (11:45) Bad therapy...or just social trends?
    (13:21) Being your kids' friend: good or bad?
    (15:55) The parenting type that raises the BEST kids
    (21:35) Is this all the parents' fault?
    (29:53) Is "Bad Therapy" a world-wide problem?
    (32:57) Talk to your kids' therapist about these things
    (42:09) The importance of facing adversity in childhood
    (47:06) Can we blame grad schools for all of this?
    (49:14) On technology and social media
    (51:03) Schools should "never" have gotten involved in mental health
    (54:43) Did COVID accelerate "bad therapy?"
    (56:07) How to return to normalcy
    (58:21) Why Shane shares negative YouTube comments with his kids
    (01:01:23) Shrier's experience being "cancelled"
    (01:04:13) On prestige media
    (01:07:47) Small steps parents can take to return to normal
    (01:11:02) Dealing with schools saying one thing and parents saying another
    (01:13:32) Why is the silent majority...silent?
    (01:16:32) If this continues, what happens?
    (01:18:19) What makes someone a successful parent?

    #193: Dr. Jim Loehr: Change the Stories You Tell Yourself

    #193: Dr. Jim Loehr: Change the Stories You Tell Yourself

    What if reaching the next level of success wasn't determined by another skill, degree, or course but by something that changed on the inside?

    That's what Dr. Jim Loehr believes, and in this episode, he reveals everything he knows about mental toughness and winning the mind game. Shane and Loehr discuss the radical importance of the stories you tell yourself—including how they can damage your kids—and how to change the negative stories you believe. Loehr also shares the best reflection questions to ask yourself to reveal personal blindspots, the importance of rituals for calming anxiety and performing under pressure, and how the best in the world use their recovery time effectively.

    Dr. Jim Loehr is a world-renowned performance psychologist and author of 16 books. From his more than 30 years of experience and applied research, Dr. Loehr believes the single most important factor in successful achievement, personal fulfillment, and life satisfaction is the strength of one’s character. Dr. Loehr possesses a masters and doctorate in psychology and is a full member of the American Psychological Association.

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    (00:00) Intro

    (03:20) Parenting and storytelling

    (06:15) How to determine whether or not the stories are limiting or enabling you

    (08:41) What the stories world-class performers tell themselves

    (15:02) How to change the stories you tell yourself

    (23:26) Questions to journal about

    (26:16) Private voices vs. public voices (and how they impact your kids)

    (31:32) How to help your friends change their stories

    (37:30) How to better come alongside your kids to prevent destructive behavior

    (44:48) - (45:06) What Loehr knows about high performers that others miss

    (53:12) On time and energy

    (01:06:26) Conquering the "between point" ritual

    (01:11:50) On rituals vs. habits

    (01:15:54) How to increase your mental toughness

    (01:23:51) On success

     

     

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