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    924: Chris DeArmitt | Rethinking Plastic's Environmental Impact

    en-usNovember 21, 2023

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    • Transforming homes into Airbnbs and debunking plastic mythsHosts can earn extra income by turning their homes into Airbnbs and sharing their world with travelers. Scientists challenge common beliefs about plastics, urging us to look at the facts and reconsider our assumptions.

      The hosts of the Jordan Harbinger Show, Jen and Jordan, have turned their home into an Airbnb not only to earn extra income but also to share their world with travelers and make their guests feel welcome. They've learned that instead of letting their home sit idle, they can unlock its potential by transforming it into a place of adventure for others. Meanwhile, in a different conversation, Chris DeArmit, a scientist, challenges the common perception about the harm of plastics. Contrary to popular belief, Chris argues that plastics are not as harmful as people think, and that the facts, which have been overlooked, paint a different picture. Chris, a problem solver at heart, has spent over 1,000 hours reading 3,000 peer-reviewed papers to debunk the myths surrounding plastics. Both guests remind us that it's essential to look at the facts and challenge our assumptions to gain a more accurate understanding of the world.

    • Considering the Entire Life Cycle of PlasticsDespite common belief, plastic bags have the least harmful environmental impact under various categories, but it's crucial to evaluate materials based on scientific evidence and life cycle analyses to make informed decisions.

      The perception of plastics being harmful may be based on confirmation bias, and it's essential to consider the entire life cycle of a product to determine its environmental impact. Thomas Sowell's questions - compared to what, how much will it cost, and where's the evidence? - are crucial when evaluating the environmental friendliness of various materials. Contrary to popular belief, numerous peer-reviewed studies show that plastic bags have the least harmful impact on the environment under every category, including greenhouse gases, water usage, and waste disposal. Confirmation bias can lead us to overlook the environmental cost of alternatives like paper bags, which may require more resources and energy to produce. Therefore, it's crucial to rely on scientific evidence and life cycle analyses to make informed decisions.

    • Human-created plastic waste in the oceanMisconceptions about ocean plastic waste often overlook human-generated litter. Education, deposit schemes, and fines can help reduce plastic waste.

      The issue of plastic waste in the ocean is often misunderstood due to confirmation bias and misinformation. Beaches with high human traffic have more visible plastic waste, leading people to assume it comes from the sea. However, much of it is actually human-generated litter. While some regions still struggle with managing waste, many countries in the Western world have made significant progress in reducing littering. Fishing industry discards, such as fishing nets, make up a large portion of ocean plastic waste. Contrary to popular belief, plastic banknotes and other valuable plastic items are rarely found in the ocean. The solution to reducing plastic waste lies in education, deposit schemes, and fines. It's essential to separate fact from fiction and recognize that the plastic problem is primarily a human-created issue.

    • Misconception about plastics being the primary environmental issueFocusing on plastics while ignoring larger contributors like concrete and ceramics has a limited impact. Prioritize addressing these major contributors for significant environmental change.

      While plastics are a concern, they represent only a small fraction (0.5%) of the materials we use globally. Focusing solely on plastics as the solution to environmental issues is a distraction, as addressing the larger contributors like concrete (84%) and ceramics (14%) would have a much greater impact. The misconception that plastic bags are the primary environmental issue has been debunked, as more significant actions like reducing flights, driving less, and consuming less meat have a thousand times greater impact. Instead of obsessing over plastics, it's essential to prioritize and address the larger contributors to material usage.

    • Plastic is often more eco-friendly than alternativesPlastic's lighter weight and degradability challenge the common belief that it's less eco-friendly than alternatives like paper, cotton, metal, or glass.

      Despite common beliefs, plastic is often more environmentally friendly than alternatives like paper, cotton, metal, or glass in various situations, according to numerous life cycle analyses. Plastic bags, for instance, weigh less than paper bags, and plastic straws weigh less than paper or metal straws. The misconception that plastic doesn't degrade is also unfounded, as there are numerous studies on plastic degradation. However, reusing items multiple times before disposing of them is generally more eco-friendly than using single-use plastics. The former president of Greenpeace, Dr. Patrick Moore, even criticized the organization for spreading lies and making money from donations based on these misconceptions about plastic.

    • Plastic vs Alternatives: A Complex DecisionConsider the entire lifecycle of a product when deciding between plastic and alternatives, and be aware of cognitive biases and exaggerated claims.

      The debate around plastic versus alternative materials, such as metal or biodegradable options, is more complex than it seems. The decision to use a particular material should be based on facts and a consideration of the entire lifecycle of the product, including production, use, and disposal. For instance, while metal mugs may seem like a greener alternative to plastic bottles, the resources required to produce and transport them can outweigh the benefits of reusing them. Similarly, claims about the degradation of plastic are often exaggerated, and the global market for plastic stabilizers indicates that efforts to prevent plastic degradation are ongoing. The key is to approach these decisions with a clear understanding of the facts and to consider the entire lifecycle of the product. The conversation also touched upon the importance of checking facts and being aware of cognitive biases when making environmental choices. Ultimately, the goal should be to make informed decisions that minimize our impact on the environment, rather than relying on assumptions or marketing messages.

    • Bioplastics Can Be More Harmful Than Traditional PlasticsBioplastics, especially degradable ones, require more resources, are more expensive, and can contaminate recycling processes for traditional plastics. Focus on reducing plastic use and properly recycling existing plastics instead.

      Bioplastics, which are often marketed as eco-friendly alternatives to synthetic plastics, can be more harmful to the environment than traditional plastics in certain aspects. Bioplastics, particularly those labeled as degradable, often require more resources to produce and are more expensive. Furthermore, many bioplastics do not recycle well and can contaminate the recycling process for regular plastics. It is important to note that not all bioplastics are problematic; some, like those made from plant-based oils, can be recycled with regular plastics and are chemically identical to their synthetic counterparts. However, the misconception that bioplastics are always a better choice for the environment can lead to unnecessary complications in the recycling process and even hinder the progress of plastic recycling as a whole. Instead, focusing on reducing plastic use and properly recycling existing plastics, especially those with high recycling rates like PET and polypropylene, can have a more significant positive impact on the environment.

    • Expensive materials don't always have a smaller environmental footprintRecycling cheap materials like plastic can be profitable and sustainable, reducing waste and the need for new raw materials.

      The environmental impact of materials is not directly linked to their cost. While expensive materials like platinum, palladium, and gold are known for their high value, they are also notoriously harmful to the environment due to the vast amounts of resources and energy required for mining and processing. On the other hand, cheaper materials like polyethylene and polypropylene have a smaller environmental footprint. However, there's a common misconception that plastic, which is often considered cheap and disposable, cannot be recycled profitably. Contrary to this belief, companies like Papier Mettler in Germany have successfully recycled over 110,000 tons of plastic bags annually. This not only reduces waste but also creates a demand for recycled materials. It's essential to understand that the recycling symbol on a product indicates that it can be recycled, not that it will be recycled. Additionally, some materials, like plastic bags, can be recycled multiple times, making them a sustainable choice for manufacturing. The key is to separate recyclable materials properly and to invest in the necessary recycling infrastructure. By doing so, we can reduce the need for new raw materials, minimize waste, and decrease the environmental impact of production.

    • The Importance of Plastic StabilizersPlastic stabilizers, a significant economic sector worth 2-8 billion dollars, prevent plastic degradation and enhance durability, reducing waste in landfills. Contrary to belief, food-grade plastics are thoroughly tested and safe, with minimal chemical leaching.

      The stabilizer market, which is essential for preventing plastic degradation, is a significant economic sector, ranging between 2 and 8 billion dollars. The importance of these stabilizers becomes clear when considering the consequences of plastic degradation. For instance, without stabilizers, common plastics like polypropylene, PVC, and polyethylene would lose their strength and durability, rendering them useless. Furthermore, the use of plastics has led to a substantial reduction in waste going into landfills, as evidenced by EPA data. Contrary to popular belief, food-grade plastics are rigorously tested and certified by regulatory bodies like the FDA, ensuring minimal chemical leaching. In fact, only a small percentage of plastics, such as polycarbonate, contain endocrine disrupting chemicals like BPA, and even then, at levels far below harm. Therefore, the benefits of plastics far outweigh the risks, and their importance in various industries and daily life cannot be overstated.

    • The Complexity of Comparing Plastics to Other MaterialsWhile plastics have environmental concerns, so do other materials like copper and aluminum. It's essential to consider the full picture and not oversimplify the debate.

      The debate around the environmental impact of plastics versus other materials, such as copper or aluminum, is not as clear-cut as it may seem. While it's true that lead pipes and other materials have their own health and environmental concerns, it's important to consider the full picture and not demonize one material while ignoring the issues with others. For instance, copper pipes may fail safety tests and release dangerous levels of copper at high and low pH levels. Similarly, the metals industry is a significant contributor to dioxin emissions, which can be more harmful than plastic dioxins. Regarding recycling, while it's important, the energy use and resource extraction required for plastic production are not as high as some may think. In fact, plastics use less energy in production than many other materials. It's crucial to avoid misconceptions and make informed decisions based on accurate information.

    • Misinformation about microplastics in mediaWhile only 20% of scientific articles suggest a definite danger of microplastics, 93% of media articles do, leading to alarming but inaccurate statistics, such as consuming a credit card's worth of plastic every week, which is not supported by scientific evidence.

      There's a significant discrepancy between scientific findings and media reporting when it comes to the issue of microplastics. While only 20% of scientific articles suggest a definite danger, 93% of media articles do. This misinformation is often spread due to sensationalism and the desire for clicks, which can lead to alarming but inaccurate statistics. For instance, the claim that one consumes a credit card's worth of plastic every week is not supported by scientific evidence. Despite efforts to correct misinformation, many journalists seem uninterested in the truth, leading to a concerning lack of accuracy in reporting. This issue is not limited to microplastics but extends to other areas as well. For instance, studies show that building materials and automobiles contain large amounts of plastic. It's essential to be aware of this discrepancy between scientific findings and media reporting and to seek out reliable sources for accurate information.

    • Plastic is often the most environmentally friendly solutionPlastic use results in significant fossil fuel savings, making the industry net carbon and fossil fuel negative

      Plastic, contrary to popular belief, is often the most environmentally friendly solution in various scenarios. This is supported by numerous studies, and the weight savings in industries like automotive and aviation result in significant fossil fuel savings. These savings outweigh the CO2 and fossil fuel used to produce the plastic, making the plastics industry net carbon negative and fossil fuel negative. However, it's essential to consider the entire picture, including the benefits of plastic use, rather than focusing solely on the negative aspects, such as endocrine disruption or toxicity. While some plastics can have health concerns, many common plastics like polyethylene, polypropylene, and polyester are relatively non-toxic. It's crucial to remember that other common substances, such as soot, quartz dust, wood dust, and metal dust, can be more harmful than plastic particles, which are often overlooked.

    • Focusing on the real dangers in dust instead of microplasticsDespite concerns over microplastics in dust, they make up a small fraction of the overall harmful substances we ingest. Instead, we should focus on proven health risks like quartz, arsenic, heavy metals, and toxic metals in schools.

      The fear and concern over microplastics in dust may be misplaced, as they only make up a tiny fraction of the overall dust we ingest. Instead, we should focus on the proven dangers in the remaining 99.999%, which include cancer-causing substances like quartz, arsenic, heavy metals, and even toxic amounts of metals in school rooms. Furthermore, the switch from plastic to other materials in response to consumer pressure might not always be environmentally friendly, and companies may be using worse alternatives. The misinformation and greenwashing surrounding plastic and its alternatives can lead to misled decisions, and it's essential to consider the actual scientific evidence before making assumptions. The amounts of plastic in the ocean have also been greatly exaggerated, and the numbers used by environmental groups for decades are based on guesses and old data. It's crucial to critically evaluate the information we receive and not let sensationalism and fear tactics distract us from the real dangers.

    • Beyond Plastic: Other Environmental Issues MatterConsider the entire life cycle of products and prioritize efforts towards reducing environmental harm, focusing on informed decisions and tackling the most impactful problems.

      While plastic pollution is an issue, it's important not to ignore other significant contributors to environmental harm, such as fishing, buildings, and human labor practices. Some organizations may exaggerate the impact of plastic to raise funds or demonize it, but it's crucial to look at the facts and prioritize our efforts towards making a real difference. The cheapest and lightest options in a supermarket are often the most environmentally friendly choices for consumers, but it's essential to consider the entire life cycle of a product and the ethical implications of production methods. We cannot address every issue at once, so let's focus on making informed decisions and tackling the most impactful problems based on accurate information.

    • Single-use plastics are the real issue, not the material itselfSingle-use plastics contribute significantly to environmental problems despite their numerous applications and waste reduction benefits in modern civilization.

      The excessive use of single-use plastics, not the material itself, is the real issue. Plastics expert Chris Parsons, who has extensively researched the topic, emphasizes that plastics have reduced the amount of waste going to landfills and have numerous applications in modern civilization. However, the single-use aspect of plastics contributes significantly to environmental problems, such as ocean pollution. Parsons, who has corrected inaccuracies in reports from BBC and USA Today, is in high demand as a keynote speaker due to his extensive knowledge on the subject. He encourages people to examine the evidence before forming opinions and invites feedback at phantomplastics.com. Sand, another crucial solid substance on earth, is another topic Parsons discusses in depth in a forthcoming interview on the Jordan Harbinger Show. Despite its importance in modern civilization, sand is becoming a scarce resource, leading to sand mafias and black markets.

    • The Importance of Transparency and Credibility in Environmental ScienceScientist Dr. Arment's research challenges common beliefs about plastic being a persistent pollutant, emphasizing its compostability. Environmental groups' claims should be backed by facts and not just for donations. Recycle plastic bags and packaging at stores like Home Depot, Lowe's, and Target to reduce garbage.

      Transparency and credibility are crucial in understanding complex environmental issues. The speaker highlighted the work of a plastic scientist named Dr. Arment, who has made his research publicly available and free for all, backed by solid peer-reviewed evidence. Dr. Arment's work challenges the common belief that plastic is a persistent environmental pollutant, stating that plastic burns and will eventually be compostable like paper and leaves. The speaker also criticized some environmental groups for making up claims for donations and praised Dr. Arment's integrity. Additionally, the speaker encouraged listeners to recycle plastic bags and packaging at stores like Home Depot, Lowe's, and Target, as these companies repurpose the materials for building materials, reducing the garbage problem. Overall, the speaker emphasized the importance of looking at the facts and not just the sensational headlines or opinions.

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    And in case you didn't already know it, Jordan Harbinger (@JordanHarbinger) and Gabriel Mizrahi (@GabeMizrahi) banter and take your comments and questions for Feedback Friday right here every week! If you want us to answer your question, register your feedback, or tell your story on one of our upcoming weekly Feedback Friday episodes, drop us a line at friday@jordanharbinger.com. Now let's dive in!

    On This Week's Feedback Friday:

    • When bail reforms free violent offenders and risk others' safety, how can we uphold justice while safeguarding victims?
    • You've about had it with your autistic boss' cringeworthy conspiracy theories. How can you disagree respectfully and maintain professionalism?
    • As a cancer patient struggling with massive student loans and disability assistance denial, what legal help and guidance is available for navigating private loan regulations while fighting for survival?
    • You've invented a non-functional plastic object that brings laughter to all who behold its absurdity. You want to protect the IP so you can profit from this stroke of comedic novelty, but you can't ignore the potential environmental impact of manufacturing such an item en masse. What should you do?
    • Have any questions, comments, or stories you'd like to share with us? Drop us a line at friday@jordanharbinger.com!
    • Connect with Jordan on Twitter at @JordanHarbinger and Instagram at @jordanharbinger.
    • Connect with Gabriel on Twitter at @GabeMizrahi and Instagram @gabrielmizrahi.

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    • The ocean plays a crucial role in regulating the Earth's climate and serves as the largest carbon sink on the planet, making its preservation essential for mitigating climate change.
    • The ocean is home to a fascinating array of creatures that have adapted to extreme conditions, such as iron-breathing microbes, glass sponges, and jellyfish that can reverse their life cycle.
    • Pollution, including plastics, chemical weapons, and nuclear waste, has severely impacted the ocean ecosystem, with some deep-sea creatures found to have plastic particles embedded in their organs.
    • There are an estimated three million shipwrecks on the ocean floor, preserving valuable historical artifacts and information — such as the Antikythera mechanism, an ancient Greek analog computer.
    • Exploring the ocean can lead to groundbreaking discoveries in medicine, Earth's history, and climate, providing valuable insights for addressing humanity's challenges — provided we safeguard this treasury of knowledge for current and future generations.
    • And much more...

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