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    99. It's Not Normal - An interview with Casey Smith

    enJanuary 26, 2024

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    • Finding solace and validation in safe online spacesEmbracing authenticity and connecting with others in safe online communities can lead to emotional growth and healing.

      Creating a safe and compassionate space for open and honest conversation can be transformative. Casey Smith, a content creator and podcast host, shared how she found solace and validation in online communities and podcasts like Insight with Katie McKenna and Helen Villas. This sense of safety allowed her to look inward, recognize her experiences, and build her own community. For those who have grown up in isolating environments, acknowledging that "this is not normal" and embracing authenticity can lead to significant emotional growth and regulation. By providing a space where individuals can be themselves without defensiveness or justification, podcasts like Insight offer a valuable resource for those seeking connection, understanding, and healing.

    • Toxic Childhood Experiences Shape Perception and Self-WorthChildhood experiences with toxic parents can influence beliefs, emotions, and relationships long after childhood, leading to a need for recognition and challenge of their impact on personal growth.

      Childhood experiences, particularly those involving toxic relationships with parents, can significantly shape an individual's perception of the world and their own self-worth. The speaker, Casey, shares how her narcissistic father's influence on her beliefs, emotions, and relationships extended far beyond her childhood. His criticism of others and suppression of negative emotions led her to adapt her behavior and form opinions based on his experiences rather than her own. This pattern continued into her teenage years, with her independence and individuality being viewed as a threat. The gaslighting and manipulation she experienced during her high school years and later in her marriage further reinforced the importance of recognizing and challenging the impact of toxic relationships on personal growth.

    • Navigating the Challenges of Self-Discovery and IndependenceEmbracing autonomy, seeking support, and working on personal growth can lead to healing and transformative experiences despite the challenges of self-discovery and independence.

      The journey towards self-discovery and independence can be a challenging and painful process, especially when it goes against the norms and expectations instilled in us during childhood. The speaker, Casey, shares her experience of growing up with restrictive beliefs about relationships and being raised in an environment that prioritized family over her individual needs. She describes the emotional turmoil and trauma she endured when she began to assert her independence and form a romantic relationship. The experience led her to a deeper understanding of herself and the unhealthy patterns she had adopted. Through this process, she learned to embrace her autonomy, seek support from others, and work on her personal growth. It's a reminder that healing from past traumas and redefining our relationships can be a worthwhile and transformative journey.

    • Initial reactions shaped by past experiencesRecognize and understand defensive reactions to prevent infantilizing others and missing out on opportunities. Practice self-awareness, challenge assumptions, and let down defenses.

      Our initial reactions to situations, especially those that evoke strong emotions, can be shaped by past experiences and defense mechanisms. In the discussed scenario, the initial reaction of feeling defensive and assuming a negative outcome was a protective mechanism developed in response to past experiences. However, recognizing and understanding these reactions can help us separate them from the reality of the situation and prevent us from unintentionally infantilizing others or missing out on positive opportunities. It's important to be self-aware and reflective, challenge our assumptions, and practice letting down our defenses to better connect with others and fully engage with experiences.

    • Validating emotions and experiencesAcknowledging and validating our inner selves helps create a protective environment, normalizes human imperfections, and reduces feelings of shame or self-criticism.

      Validating our emotions and experiences, especially when faced with fear or shame, is crucial for our mental wellbeing. This doesn't mean ignoring the rational side of our brain, but rather acknowledging and validating our inner selves. By doing so, we create a protective environment that allows us to approach situations with a more balanced perspective. This approach can help us normalize human imperfections, such as coughing or making mistakes, and reduce feelings of shame or self-criticism. Remember, as experts in our own lives, we have the power to own our voices and reclaim the suppression we may have experienced in our childhood.

    • Understanding Gaslighting through Personal ExperiencesRelating personal experiences to complex concepts like gaslighting can help understanding. Encouraging critical thinking from a young age can prevent manipulation but may be met with negative reactions from narcissistic parents. Self-awareness and self-advocacy are crucial for maintaining healthy relationships.

      Personal experiences can help people relate to and understand complex concepts, such as gaslighting, more easily than abstract definitions or research. This was evident in the speaker's letter about her father, where she initially adopted his opinions and beliefs without realizing she was being conditioned. The use of open-ended questions and encouraging critical thinking from a young age can help prevent this kind of manipulation. However, narcissistic parents may perceive such encouragement as rejection and respond with negative behaviors like stonewalling or the silent treatment. It's essential to recognize these patterns early and assert one's own thoughts and feelings to maintain healthy relationships. The speaker's experience of gradually recognizing and challenging her father's influence is a common theme in cases of gaslighting and highlights the importance of self-awareness and self-advocacy.

    • Parental Involvement and Emotional ManipulationExcessive parental involvement can lead to emotional manipulation, loss of child's autonomy, and unhealthy relationship patterns. Seek balance and support for healing from unhealthy dynamics.

      Excessive involvement from a parent in a child's life, while it may seem positive on the surface, can be a sign of emotional manipulation and control. This can lead to a child's loss of autonomy and the development of unhealthy patterns in relationships. The child may feel a strong need for their parent's approval and love, leading to self-blame when they choose to assert their independence. Parents should maintain a healthy balance between involvement and allowing their children to develop their own identities and relationships. The consequences of such unhealthy dynamics can be significant, leading to confusion, isolation, and a sense of loss when the relationship eventually ends. It is important for individuals who have experienced such dynamics to recognize the unhealthy patterns and seek support in processing the grief and healing from the loss.

    • Building authentic relationships based on respect and connectionRecognize and respect personal boundaries, avoid emotional enmeshment, and let go of carrying others' problems to foster healthy relationships and personal growth.

      Authentic relationships are built on mutual respect and genuine connection, not on the basis of fulfilling someone else's emotional needs at the expense of one's own. The discussion highlighted the importance of recognizing and respecting personal boundaries, especially during formative years. The speaker shared her experience of emotional enmeshment and emotional incest in her relationship with her father, which led to feelings of responsibility, stress, and isolation. It's crucial to understand that having deep conversations about adult issues with children is inappropriate and can lead to unhealthy dynamics. The speaker's ability to acknowledge her feelings and own her decisions, even if it meant going against what her father wanted, was a significant step towards healing and self-identity. The weight of carrying someone else's problems is not only stressful but also unhealthy, and letting go of that responsibility is essential for personal growth and emotional well-being.

    • Oldest children's emotional responsibilitiesOldest children may feel emotionally enslaved by their role as family caretakers, leading to a loss of identity and self-worth when they don't align with parents' expectations.

      The role of the oldest child in a family can often extend beyond just being the eldest. They may be expected to take on emotional responsibilities and be their parents' emotional support, which can lead to a dynamic where the child feels they must align with their parents' thoughts and feelings to maintain that role. This can result in a sense of being a "golden child" when things are going well, but a harsh reversal when they make decisions that go against their parents' expectations. This enmeshment can lead to a child feeling emotionally enslaved and valued only for their ability to provide emotional support, rather than for who they are as an individual. The realization of this dynamic can be shocking and painful, leaving the child questioning their identity and the value of their past contributions to the family.

    • Parental manipulation and enabling dynamicsNarcissistic parents use tactics like triangulation and gaslighting to manipulate and isolate children, while enabler parents witness and fail to intervene, allowing toxic dynamics to persist and harm sibling relationships.

      The dynamic between the siblings and their parents played a significant role in shaping their relationships and experiences within the family. The father, identified as a narcissistic parent, used tactics like triangulation and gaslighting to manipulate and isolate his children, particularly the speaker and their brother. The mother, an enabler, witnessed these actions but did not intervene, allowing the father to continue his behavior and reinforcing a dynamic where the brother could "get away with murder" in her eyes. The speaker's relationship with their mother was also impacted, as they were influenced to view their brother negatively and had a strained connection due to their father's manipulations. The lack of intervention and support from both parents created an environment of fear and walking on eggshells, making it difficult for the speaker to express their feelings and form healthy relationships within the family.

    • Complex family dynamics and feelings of jealousyFamily relationships can be intricate and emotional, with feelings of jealousy and overshadowing potentially impacting individual connections and causing missed opportunities for growth and understanding.

      The speaker's mother may have felt overshadowed and jealous of the close relationship between the speaker and her father. This dynamic, which some may label as emotional incest, may have stemmed from her own upbringing with a strict father and the lack of autonomy she felt in expressing her own desires. The speaker also notes that her older brother may have felt jealous of her relationship with their father, leading to a lack of individual connection between them. This complex family dynamic may have contributed to feelings of loss and missed opportunities for the speaker. The speaker expresses a growing anger towards these experiences and the way they were handled. It's important to remember that every family is unique and these situations can be influenced by various factors. However, it's crucial to acknowledge and validate the emotions and experiences of all involved.

    • The importance of healthy relationships and self-protectionReflect on past relationships, prioritize those that foster autonomy and happiness, and surround yourself with genuine investors in your well-being.

      Healthy relationships, especially those between parents and children, should be built on mutual respect, support, and open communication. The speaker's experience of feeling like she couldn't share her experiences and relationships with her father left her feeling angry and unsatisfied. Reflecting on this, she realized that the contrast between how a best friend would have reacted to her relationships versus her father's response highlighted the transactional nature of their relationship. Moving forward, she has decided to prioritize relationships that foster her autonomy and happiness, and to surround herself with people who will genuinely invest in her well-being. The speaker's experience serves as a reminder that healthy anger can be a powerful tool for growth and self-protection. It's never too late to learn from past experiences and make positive changes.

    • Narcissistic parents and restricted relationships during adolescenceNarcissistic control during adolescence can cause emotional damage, hindering identity development and exploration. Acknowledging and validating feelings of loss and grief can help heal. Engage in joyful activities and reconnect with past experiences. Permission to want is enough, and safety is key for alcohol consumption.

      The restriction of friendships and romantic relationships during adolescence, as enforced by narcissistic parents, can lead to significant emotional damage. This control can result in feelings of shame, confusion, and self-gaslighting, hindering the natural development and exploration of one's identity. The denial of these experiences can cause a sense of loss and grief, making it essential to acknowledge and validate these feelings. Permitting oneself to engage in activities that bring joy and reconnecting with past experiences can help heal the wounds of this missed adolescent era. Additionally, it's crucial to remember that wanting something is permission enough, and one doesn't need to justify their desires. Regarding alcohol consumption, it depends on individual circumstances and cultural norms. Some people may have had experiences involving underage drinking as a rite of passage, but it's essential to prioritize safety and legal compliance.

    • Formative friendships and communitiesRecognize healthy vs unhealthy patterns in friendships formed during childhood. Challenge emotionally abusive relationships and validate children's perceptions of fairness to support their personal growth and self-discovery.

      Communities and friendships formed during formative years, even if they don't align with societal norms, can provide a sense of belonging and acceptance while also offering a glimpse into different ways of living. However, it's essential to recognize and challenge unhealthy patterns, such as emotionally abusive relationships, which can hinder personal growth and self-discovery. The speaker's experience of equating control with love and struggling to distinguish between the two is a poignant reminder of the complexities of growing up and the importance of recognizing and challenging unhealthy dynamics. Additionally, acknowledging and validating children's perceptions of fairness can help them develop a critical understanding of the world and prepare them for navigating different experiences and rules in various contexts.

    • Recognizing the Masks of Manipulation in RelationshipsManipulators may use anger or devastation to control partners. Emotional manipulation can lead to guilt and suppressing emotions is harmful. Treat partners as adults, communicate needs, and value emotional intelligence, trust, and respect.

      Manipulation in relationships can present itself in various forms, and it's essential to recognize the signs. Devastation or anger are two masks that manipulators may use to control their partners. Manipulation through emotional manipulation can lead to feeling guilty for wanting time away from the manipulator, and it's a significant red flag. Emotional suppression is a common coping mechanism, but it's crucial to learn to connect with and process emotions. In relationships, treating your partner as an adult and allowing them to express their needs is essential. Recognizing and overcoming hypervigilance and the fear of making mistakes are ongoing processes. It's essential to be in a relationship with someone who values emotional intelligence, trust, and mutual respect.

    • Open communication leads to life-changing shiftsLearning to apologize, accept responsibility, and communicate openly can lead to healing, growth, and unconditional love in relationships.

      Open and direct communication in relationships can lead to a significant shift in dynamics. The speaker shares an experience of learning to apologize and accept responsibility without fear of retaliation or judgment. This moment was life-changing as it allowed them to let go of defensive behaviors and embrace vulnerability. Additionally, recognizing and accepting personal flaws, rather than allowing them to define identity, is essential for growth and healing from trauma. The ability to communicate openly and accept apologies creates a foundation for unconditional love and understanding in relationships.

    • Finding Authenticity in Healthy RelationshipsExploring authenticity leads to transformative experiences in relationships, contrasting transactional ones. Pausing, questioning, communicating, and recognizing emotions are crucial steps to independence and accountability.

      Discovering the freedom to express yourself authentically in a healthy relationship can be a transformative experience. This contrasts sharply with transactional relationships where love is conditional. To lean into independence and exist as an autonomous individual, it's essential to pause, connect inward, and question whether our feelings and beliefs are truly our own or conditioned. Healthy communication and accountability are crucial elements in this process. Naming emotions and recognizing the difference between upset and underlying feelings can help us navigate complex relationships. Initially, it can be uncomfortable to face accountability instead of collusion, but ultimately, it leads to trusting our responses and emotions.

    • Healing in Relationships: Acknowledging Past TraumasDespite past traumas, healthy relationships are possible with a supportive partner. Acknowledge and grieve past hurts, connect to inner child, and seek support during the healing process.

      It's possible to be in healthy relationships despite past traumas and wounds. The speaker expressed admiration for someone who could stay in a challenging relationship with someone who didn't agree or validate them constantly. This is not an easy feat, especially for those without therapeutic support. But, it's essential to remember that love and healthy relationships don't require perfection or being healed and untraumatized. Instead, a real partner will help you through the process. The speakers emphasized the importance of acknowledging and grieving past traumas and abusive relationships, allowing the feelings to surface and connecting to the inner child. The grief and sadness that come with this process are valid and should be given space. Healing doesn't mean never feeling again; instead, it means allowing the feelings, knowing you'll be okay, and getting the support you need. By sharing their experiences, those who have been through similar situations can find hope and validation.

    • Sharing personal experiences of emotional abuse online raises awareness and empowers younger generationsSpeaking out about emotional abuse and setting boundaries can help normalize conversations, provide a language for healing, and inspire others to do the same.

      Sharing personal experiences of emotional abuse online, with honesty and authenticity, can help raise awareness and empower younger generations to recognize and address toxic relationships. The speaker's bravery in speaking out and setting boundaries has been instrumental in normalizing conversations around emotional abuse and creating a safe space for healing. By acknowledging the destructive nature of emotional abuse and providing a language for those who have experienced it, individuals can start their healing journey earlier and avoid enduring unhealthy relationships into adulthood. The speaker's ongoing efforts to keep the conversation going and turn negative experiences into learning opportunities serve as an inspiration for others to do the same. To connect with the speaker and learn more, follow them on Instagram (@it'snotnormalpodcast) and TikTok (@csmith0497), or listen to their podcast, "It's Not Normal."

    • Exclusive Q&A Session for Gold Patreon MembersGold Patreon members get a chance to interact with the creator, ask questions, and deepen their understanding of their work during a special Zoom call.

      The creator is hosting a special Zoom call for their Gold Patreon members on February 6th. During this call, the creator will engage in a chat with members, answering their questions and having a general discussion. This exclusive event is a perk for those who have signed up for the Gold membership on Patreon. The creator expressed gratitude towards all their supporters, encouraging everyone to continue their support. The call serves as an opportunity for Patreon members to connect more closely with the creator and gain deeper insights into their work.

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    It boils down to a LACK OF RESPECT AND SHOWING LOVE.

    The toxic relationships in my life have usually had a cocktail of these traits:

    1. Sarcasm- relies heavily on tone and context making it prone to misinterpretation.  Our kids don’t always get this. Passive Aggressive (avoidance, sarcasm, subtle jabs, procrastination) 

    2. Bad communication- say what you mean and mean what you say

    3. Lack of honoring boundaries in time, money, priorities- none of us know what is happening in other’s lives.  

    4. Emotional manipulation shows itself in

    *****logic

    *****guilt trips 

    ****helplessness(playing the victim) 

    ****even flattery

    ****threats

    ****gas lighting (manipulation when someone subtly or intentionally distorts another’s perception of reality causing them to doubt their own memory, judgment, or sanity.

    5.  Constant criticism

    TO have healthy relationships:

    1. Teach these words when they are happening

    2. Set boundaries

    3. Teach others how you need to be treated!

    4. Heal 

    5. Forgive/ Reconcile

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    The PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKS To Master CONFIDENCE & Crush Fear

    The PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKS To Master CONFIDENCE & Crush Fear

    Today we are taken on a journey of self-discovery and confidence-building. Through a series of expert insights and practical advice, you will learn effective strategies for boosting your self-confidence. Discover how to overcome self-doubt, harness your inner strength, and embrace your unique qualities. Gain the tools to project confidence in various aspects of your life, from personal relationships to professional endeavors. This episode is a powerful reminder that self-confidence is not only attainable but essential for reaching your full potential and achieving your goals. Tune in, and let your self-confidence soar to new heights.

    Evy Poumpouras was a member of the most prestigious protection force in the world for over 12 years. She served on the secret service presidential protection division for President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. She also protected presidents, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George H. W. Bush.

    Stephen A. Smith is the star of the #1 morning sports talk show First Take, a premiere analyst on ESPN and ABC’s NBA Countdown, the host of NBA in Stephen A’s World on ESPN2 and ESPN+, and the host and producer of the podcast K[no]w Mercy with Stephen A. Smith. Smith has more than 12 million followers across social media platforms, and his opinions on sports make daily headlines.

    Inky Johnson is a husband, father, collegiate athlete, entrepreneur and author. Inky is also one of the most highly sought after speakers in the world. For over a decade, executives, professional sports teams, business owners and people all over have benefited from the raw energy of his thought provoking and inspirational presentations.

    Susan David is a psychologist, originally from South Africa, that has been learning about emotions and people’s pursuit of happiness since she lost her father in high school. She has recently written a best selling book, Emotional Agility, about the importance of every emotion we go through. Susan also recently gave a TED Talk that was one of the most successful campaigns to date. It received over a million views within the first week.

    In this episode you will learn

    • The best way to build command, authority, and credibility.
    • How to stop worrying about other people’s opinions and own the room.
    • What betting on yourself should look & feel like. 
    • How to make your hard work stand out. 
    • Ways to navigate criticism while maintaining your confidence.

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