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    A Conversation with Charlie Munger & John Collison - [Invest Like the Best, REPLAY]

    enAugust 20, 2024
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    Why is self-discipline important for young investors?
    What does Charlie Munger suggest about sharing knowledge?
    How can win-win transactions benefit businesses?

    Podcast Summary

    • Cloud platform consolidationConsolidating data from various systems into one cloud platform can save time, reduce cash drag, enable faster trade settlements, and provide valuable insights for investment firms.

      Having a single, efficient cloud platform like Ridgeline for investment firms can significantly save time and open opportunities to make more money. By consolidating data from various systems into one place, firms can have real-time visibility into positions, outstanding trades, and cash balances, reducing cash drag and enabling faster trade settlements. Ridgeline's solutions not only save time but also provide valuable insights that can drive alpha. Additionally, having access to comprehensive, quality-driven transcript libraries like TIKAS can provide investors with valuable insights and knowledge, helping them make informed decisions and stay ahead of the competition. As Charlie Munger once said, "The best thing a human being can do is to help another human being know more."

    • Ethical business practicesFocusing on selling good products and ethical practices is a safer and more profitable long-term strategy than selling harmful or sleazy products, and building strong relationships is essential for success.

      Focusing on ethical business practices and selling good products to people is a safer and more profitable long-term strategy than selling harmful or sleazy products. This lesson was emphasized in the discussion about the importance of mastering high school math and understanding the concept of stable ecosystems in business. The speaker also highlighted the importance of dealing with reliable people and avoiding clients or businesses associated with immoral activities, such as the opioid epidemic. Additionally, the speaker warned about the perishability of businesses and the importance of anticipating forces that could destroy them. Overall, the message is that making ethical decisions and building strong relationships is essential for long-term success.

    • Technological DisruptionUnderstanding the edge of one's competency and investing in areas where one has an edge is crucial for businesses to thrive in the face of technological disruption. Buffett emphasizes the importance of partnerships and values businesses with high profitability and capital efficiency.

      Recognizing and adapting to technological changes is crucial for businesses to thrive and avoid failure. Buffett shares his experience with the newspaper industry, which once seemed invincible but was disrupted by tech, leading to its decline. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the edge of one's competency and investing in areas where one has an edge. Buffett also discusses his approach to investing, focusing on businesses with high profitability and capital efficiency, such as Costco, which requires minimal working capital due to its high turnover rate. He advises against mistreating small suppliers and instead values partnerships. Ultimately, Buffett's investment philosophy is centered on finding businesses that are well-designed and efficient, regardless of the industry.

    • Industry dynamics and competitionUnderstanding industry dynamics and competition is crucial for evaluating a business's potential profitability. Some industries have historically been unprofitable, while others offer high returns. However, past performance is not a guarantee of future success.

      Understanding the industry dynamics and competition is crucial when evaluating a business's potential profitability. Some industries, like airlines, have historically been unprofitable due to high ongoing capital expenditures and intense competition. On the other hand, industries with a natural monopoly or a strong brand, like cereals or railroads, have the potential for high returns. However, even in industries with a history of strong returns, there's no guarantee of future success. It's essential to consider the unique circumstances of each business and the industry as a whole. Additionally, the investment landscape has become increasingly competitive and complex, making it harder for investors to generate above-average returns. It's important to remember that past performance is not indicative of future results.

    • Long-term investment fundamentalsFor a long-term investor, focusing on avoiding mistakes, investing in quality businesses, and taking a long-term approach are crucial. Self-discipline and skill are necessary to resist market hype and improper incentives. Gold is a preferable investment to cryptocurrency, and being shrewd and trustworthy can present opportunities during economic downturns.

      For a 25-year-old investor looking to invest over the next 50 years, focusing on avoiding simple mistakes, investing in quality businesses, and taking a long-term approach are key. However, self-discipline and skill are required to resist market hype and improper incentives. The investment landscape may change, but the importance of these fundamentals remains. Gold, as an established store of value, is preferable to cryptocurrency, which is seen as a scam and a crime-facilitating medium of exchange. During economic downturns, being shrewd and trustworthy can present opportunities. Despite societal changes, maintaining a long-term perspective and focusing on fundamentals remains crucial for success.

    • Population growth and personal happinessEarly marriage and large families can lead to increased personal happiness despite a declining birth rate, but societal rigidity can pose challenges for future generations

      While a declining birth rate may contribute to a slower population growth, early marriage and large families can lead to increased personal happiness. However, institutions becoming more rigid and preventing new development can create challenges for future generations. Architects, too, can make mistakes by prioritizing creativity over understanding the customer's needs. The world faces significant challenges, including political instability and the potential for nuclear war, and it's crucial for societies to avoid major mistakes just as individuals do. Architecture, as the queen of the arts, should prioritize satisfying real needs over artistic peculiarity.

    • Efficient solutions, Common senseIgnoring traditional practices and precedents in favor of common sense and customer needs can lead to efficient solutions, even in defiance of fire code requirements. The world is full of inefficiencies, and people should not assume it operates optimally. Win-win business transactions benefit both parties and contribute to a thriving civilization.

      Common sense and understanding the customer's needs can lead to efficient solutions, even if they go against traditional practices or precedents. The speaker's experience with designing dorm rooms without windows despite fire code requirements is an example of this. Additionally, there are numerous inefficiencies in the world that can be improved upon, and people should not assume the world operates efficiently. Furthermore, the importance of win-win business transactions for both parties was emphasized, as it leads to a flourishing civilization. Examples of win-win businesses include Dairy Queen and Berkshire Hedge Fund.

    • Capitalism and Win-Win BusinessesBuffett emphasizes the importance of meritocracy and win-win businesses in capitalism, and criticizes those who misunderstand it, while highlighting the value of education in helping people succeed

      Capitalism, with its ease and automaticity in transactions, is a net positive for both parties involved, despite some imperfections. Buffett, a capitalist himself, believes that the fundamental idea of win-win businesses is often misunderstood by critics like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. He emphasizes the importance of meritocracy and rewarding genuine efforts, while being tough on those who try to game the system. Buffett's success with Berkshire Hathaway and his educational endeavors have resonated particularly well with high-tech communities in India and China due to their shared values of striving and getting ahead. Buffett enjoys the public life and educational aspects of his role, and he wouldn't change Berkshire's corporate form, despite its size and diversity. He sees the educational side of his work as a valuable contribution to society, helping people become more successful. Coca-Cola, with its large and diverse business, might be a close analog to Berkshire, but Buffett expresses no desire to be as politically active as they are.

    • Partnerships, Learning, and Giving BackEnjoy the learning process, accomplish goals, associate with high-grade people, and give back to build successful partnerships and a fulfilling career.

      Charlie Munger, vice chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, has had a successful career and partnership with Warren Buffett, which they attribute to enjoying the learning process, accomplishing goals, and associating with high-grade people. They also believe in giving back through philanthropy. Munger emphasized the importance of constructive partnerships and shared advice for Patrick and Ike on building a successful one. He also expressed gratitude for their readers and the impact of Munger's "accidental book." Additionally, Munger discussed the importance of transparency in the investment industry and suggested requiring investment professionals to report results per dollar a year instead of historically to prevent misleading records.

    • Buffett's investment philosophyWarren Buffett emphasizes the importance of good corporate governance, evaluating businesses for long-term potential, and finding undervalued companies to hold for the long term, even if it means taking on political risks or investing in industries perceived as threatening.

      Warren Buffett believes in the importance of corporate managers acting as good fiduciaries for their shareholders, even if that means buying back their own stock when it's undervalued. Buffett also emphasizes the importance of evaluating businesses based on their long-term potential and the opportunity cost of investing in other companies. He shares his admiration for successful businesses like Stripe and acknowledges the potential risks, but ultimately believes in the power of win-win transactions and the importance of maintaining good relations with other countries, such as China. Buffett's investment philosophy is centered on finding undervalued companies and holding onto them for the long term, even if it means taking on political risks or investing in industries that may be perceived as threatening to his existing businesses. Ultimately, Buffett's approach is guided by a belief in the power of capitalism and the importance of making smart, value-driven investments.

    • Focusing on earnings over qualityAn excessive focus on reported earnings can lead to neglecting the fundamental quality of a business, which can ultimately result in failure, as shown by Intel's case, and can also involve principal-agent problems, manipulation of financial systems, and disregard for social utility.

      An excessive focus on reported earnings at the expense of the fundamental quality of a business can lead to failure, as demonstrated in the case of Intel. The company's failure to stay ahead of competitors, disappoint customers, and become too bureaucratic and focused on executive rewards ultimately contributed to its downfall. Additionally, the discussion highlights the importance of being fanatical and reliable in business, as well as the potential dangers of principal-agent problems and the manipulation of financial systems. The obsession with short-term gains and the neglect of social utility can lead to disastrous consequences, as seen in the examples of derivatives trading and the involvement of firms like Goldman Sachs in questionable deals. Ultimately, it's crucial for businesses to prioritize long-term success and sustainability over short-term gains.

    • Critique of investment industryThe speaker criticizes large institutions in the investment industry for prioritizing quick profits, excessive bureaucracy, and underperforming index funds. He advocates for focusing on what truly works, building trust, and having good relationships in business.

      The speaker expresses a critical view towards the investment industry, particularly large institutions, for their focus on quick profits, excessive bureaucracy, and inability to exceed the performance of an index fund. He advocates for concentration in positions that truly work and the importance of trust and good relationships in business. The speaker also shares his admiration for successful business leaders like Warren Buffett and Pertrelli, who focus on identifying what works and implementing it effectively. He concludes by expressing his satisfaction with his involvement with Berkshire Hathaway and feeling privileged to have been part of it.

    • Decisive leadershipEffective leaders find out what works and implement it, while avoiding what doesn't. Lee Kuan Yew's success in creating modern Singapore is a testament to this approach, which includes wise decisions like making English the national language and having a strict stance on drug dealers.

      Importance of figuring out what works and implementing it, while avoiding what doesn't. This approach was exemplified by Lee Kuan Yew, who started as a left-wing labor lawyer and ended up creating modern Singapore by making wise decisions and implementing effective policies. One such decision was the choice of English as the national language. Lee Kuan Yew's life is a testament to the power of being relentless, smart, and decisive. His leadership style, which can be summarized as "finding out what works and then doing it," is a valuable lesson for all. Another notable example of this approach is Singapore's strict stance on drug dealers, which has helped them maintain a low drug problem. By taking a multidisciplinary approach and avoiding big mistakes, leaders can make a significant impact, as demonstrated by Lee Kuan Yew's legacy. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of being smart, decisive, and relentless in achieving success.

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    Sarah Guo - The Power of Conviction - [Invest Like the Best, EP.383]

    Sarah Guo - The Power of Conviction - [Invest Like the Best, EP.383]
    My guest today is Sarah Guo. Sarah is the founder and CEO of Conviction, an early-stage venture capital firm built to serve AI companies. She started Conviction in 2022 after 9 years at Greylock because she believes AI is the most important technological advancement of our lifetime. In our conversation, Sarah discusses the challenges and rewards of leaving an established investing firm to start her own venture. She shares her unique perspective on the AI landscape and reveals her predictions for what we should expect on the AI frontier. Please enjoy this great conversation with the very impressive Sarah Guo.  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Ridgeline. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. I think this platform will become the standard for investment managers, and if you run an investing firm, I highly recommend you find time to speak with them. Head to ridgelineapps.com to learn more about the platform. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Our Partners: Ridgeline and Tegus (00:03:30) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:04:30) Introduction & Recruiting in Venture Capital (00:05:06) Key Traits for Early-Stage Venture Capitalists (00:06:57) Lessons from Early Investments (00:07:47) The Journey of Building a Company (00:09:01) The Decision to Start Conviction (00:11:36) Launching Conviction and Initial Steps (00:13:43) First Investment at Conviction (00:14:00) Evaluating AI Application Companies (00:16:29) Challenges and Opportunities in AI Applications (00:23:57) Minimum Viable Quality in AI Products (00:33:19) Future of AI and Frontier Models (00:38:56) The Unpredictable Future of AI (00:40:16) The Importance of Efficiency in AI Models (00:44:28) The Business of AI: Costs and Margins (00:45:47) Infrastructure and Hardware Challenges (00:48:54) The Competitive Landscape of AI Chips (00:54:24) The Future of AI and Society (00:56:34) Opportunities and Innovations in AI (01:02:09) Concerns and Ethical Considerations (01:03:36) Debates and Research in AI (01:09:01) Personal Reflections and Closing Thoughts

    Hemant Taneja - Engineering Global Resilience - [Invest Like the Best, EP.382]

    Hemant Taneja - Engineering Global Resilience - [Invest Like the Best, EP.382]
    My guest today is Hemant Taneja. Hemant is the CEO and Managing Director of General Catalyst, the global venture capital firm you’ll hear us refer to as GC. GC has set out to build resiliency across critical industries worldwide. The firm leverages technology to retool sectors such as healthcare, energy, defense, and manufacturing and explores innovative capital structures to support founders and businesses. Hemant discusses how the firm is positioned to respond to the aftermath of crises, including the pandemic, wars, energy issues, and beyond. We also discuss the building of a category-defining healthcare company, Livongo and much more. Please enjoy this conversation with Hemant Taneja.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Ramp. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Ramp is the fastest growing FinTech company in history and it’s backed by more of my favorite past guests (at least 16 of them!) than probably any other company I’m aware of. It’s also notable that many best-in-class businesses use Ramp—companies like Airbnb, Anduril, and Shopify, as well as investors like Sequoia Capital and Vista Equity. They use Ramp to manage their spending, automate tedious financial processes, and reinvest saved dollars and hours into growth. At Colossus and Positive Sum, we use Ramp for exactly the same reason. Go to Ramp.com/invest to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Our Partners: Ramp and Tegus (00:03:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:57) Introducing Hemant Taneja and General Catalyst (00:04:17) Global Resilience and Innovation Post-Pandemic  (00:05:56) Re-Globalization and Manufacturing  (00:07:03) Building Livongo: A 20-Year Overnight Success  (00:13:23) Aligning Incentives in Healthcare  (00:15:40) Re-imagining the Investment Business  (00:20:54) Evolution of General Catalyst (00:27:04) Succession and Trust in Asset Management  (00:35:00) Founder-Centric Capital Goals  (00:36:32) Balancing Growth and Liquidity  (00:41:39) AI and Onshoring Productivity  (00:47:10) Defense Investments and Ethics  (00:50:11) Geopolitics and Regulation  (00:53:16) Reflections on Leadership and Strategy  (01:01:14) Hemant's Future Plans  (01:02:55) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done for Him

    Jeremy Giffon - Special Situations in Private Markets - [Invest Like the Best, Replay]

    Jeremy Giffon - Special Situations in Private Markets - [Invest Like the Best, Replay]
    Today we are replaying one of our most popular episodes from last year with Jeremy Giffon. I spend all my time trying to find people who have some “singularity” to them. People who seem like they can do an N of 1 something. Having spent many days with Jeremy, he strikes me as one of those people. He was the first employee and general partner at private equity firm/holding company Tiny, which buys and holds internet and technology-focused businesses. Prior to that, he was on the founding team of MediaCore, which was acquired by Workday. The focus of our discussion is on esoteric opportunities that exist in private markets and how misaligned incentives and coordination problems create special situations for people like Jeremy to invest in. The rest of the conversation is wide-ranging and covers everything from compensation advice to meeting your heroes. Please enjoy my discussion with Jeremy Giffon. Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:03:15) What defines the nature of a perfect business in his mind (00:05:21) Key characteristics he’d look for in a perfect investment (00:09:58) Coordination problems that excite him (00:14:02) Raising funds and ghostship companies  (00:16:17) Examples of a special situations transaction in private markets  (00:18:55) Building up a sourcing mechanism (00:22:18) The biggest mistakes he’s seen in buying and selling companies  (00:25:42) Refining the underwriting process (00:28:57) Thoughts about minimum rates of return and multiples on capital for the investments he makes  (00:30:44) Being lazy enough to wait for good deals on enduring businesses  (00:33:32) Why people do things they don’t like  (00:35:47) Whether or not he feels like he knows what he wants in life (00:42:58) Hiring CEOs (00:44:54) Really good respective returns in low risk companies and why those opportunities continue to persist    (00:47:05) Tactics for negotiating with and sourcing CEOs   (00:50:37) Binaries - pre and post fall (00:55:58) Being hard to kill (00:59:15) His favorite interview question  (01:06:07) Having an audience is incredibly underpriced  (01:10:13) What else is significantly underpriced (01:12:14) Things he feels are overpriced today writ large (01:15:54) Criticisms of the cult of learning (01:20:21) The one call that everyone needs to make  (01:27:18) Meeting your heroes and having mentors  (01:30:48) Notable differences between the business environments of Canada and the US (01:33:13) Lessons learned from people he admires and models for seeing the world  (01:35:35) Views he holds that would make people scratch their heads (01:40:02) The kindest thing anyone has ever done for Jeremy

    David Senra - Passion & Pain - [Invest Like the Best, Replay]

    David Senra - Passion & Pain - [Invest Like the Best, Replay]
    Today, we are replaying what we call a forever episode, which are the few episodes of our show that we think will be as popular a decade from now as they are today. Every time I re-listen to this episode with David Senra, I leave wildly energized and wanting to share that feeling. So we are re-releasing it today for anyone who missed it the first time or hadn't yet discovered Invest Like the Best. David Senra has studied history’s great founders and entrepreneurs in more depth than anyone I’ve ever met, and I’d wager more than anyone else alive. In this conversation, we cover many of the most common themes he’s discovered studying hundreds of entrepreneurs like Estée Lauder, John Rockefeller, Enzo Ferrari, and Edwin Land. Please enjoy this great conversation with David Senra. Listen to Founders Podcast  For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com).  Show Notes [00:00:00] Welcome to Invest Like the Best [00:03:01] First question - When he first fell in love with reading [00:07:01] What’s rooted in his own history that’s made him obsessive about studying history’s great entrepreneurs and founders - Founders Podcast [00:10:34] The first time he connected with someone as a positive role model that he was reading about  [00:13:45] How often obsession is apparent in the founders he’s studied across hundreds of biographies  [00:18:08] What is often behind obsession and how people listening can apply the lessons to their own lives [00:22:45] The dynamic and relationship between inspiration and perspiration  [00:27:11] Commonalities between the layers of leadership and support underneath founders [00:31:52] Where else he’s seen ego rear its head in good and bad ways  [00:38:34] How often do great founders break the law or enter gray areas of it  [00:41:22] The role constant learning and listening plays in success [00:45:12] Talking about how anything worth doing is worth doing to excess  [00:52:18] Describing the soul of founders and businesses [00:58:39] What he’s learned about all of these founders as it relates to marketing  [01:04:38] A common story that process is often art  [01:08:10] Who David's idols are in podcasting [01:14:55] Major aspects of people he’s studied that haven’t been discussed yet [01:19:55] The kindest thing anyone has ever done for David

    Martin Casado - Entering Uncharted AI Territory - [Invest Like the Best, EP.381]

    Martin Casado - Entering Uncharted AI Territory - [Invest Like the Best, EP.381]
    My guest today is Martin Casado. Martin is a partner at Andreessen Horowitz and first joined me on Invest Like the Best in 2022. So much has changed since then, and it was awesome to have Martin back to discuss all of the different implications of this AI revolution. Before joining a16z, Martin pioneered software-defined networking and co-founded Nicira, which was bought by VMware for $1.3 billion in 2012. He has studied, built, and invested in digital infrastructure his whole career which has primed him to go in-depth in this interview on the immense opportunities and challenges AI presents among creativity, policy-making, agentic systems, real-world data structures, and beyond. Please enjoy this conversation with Martin Casado.  Listen to Founders Podcast For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Tegus, where we're changing the game in investment research. Step away from outdated, inefficient methods and into the future with our platform, proudly hosting over 100,000 transcripts – with over 25,000 transcripts added just this year alone. Our platform grows eight times faster and adds twice as much monthly content as our competitors, putting us at the forefront of the industry. Plus, with 75% of private market transcripts available exclusively on Tegus, we offer insights you simply can't find elsewhere. See the difference a vast, quality-driven transcript library makes. Unlock your free trial at tegus.com/patrick. ----- Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes.  Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @patrick_oshag | @JoinColossus Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:01:48) The Future of AI and Creativity (00:03:11) Economic Implications of AI (00:04:33) AI's Impact on Content Creation (00:08:21) Challenges in AI and Robotics (00:12:16) Human Data and AI Training (00:20:30) Investing in AI and Robotics (00:26:00) Defensibility and Competition in AI (00:33:22) Regulatory Considerations (00:35:26) Internet Era Parallels and Security Concerns (00:40:25) Open Source vs. Closed Source in Tech (00:43:45) Market Annealing and Category Creation (00:46:13) Data and Hardware Innovations in AI (00:55:55) Agents and the Future of AI