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    Afghanistan’s Former Central Bank Chief on the Dire State of the Country’s Economy

    enJanuary 13, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Economic Consequences of Global EventsThe withdrawal from Afghanistan has led to mass starvation, inflation, and economic collapse in the country, highlighting the long-term economic impact of global events.

      The fallout from global events, such as the withdrawal from Afghanistan, can have long-lasting economic consequences that may not receive continued attention in the news cycle. The dramatic scenes from Kabul last year marked the end of a 20-year military presence, but the economic instability that was anticipated has come to fruition. With the departure of international forces and the loss of aid, Afghanistan is experiencing mass starvation, inflation, and economic collapse. Reporting on these situations can be challenging due to limited access to journalists and financial data. It's essential to maintain awareness of these complex and evolving situations, even when they are no longer at the forefront of the news.

    • Afghanistan's Economic Crisis WorsensThe halt of international aid and freezing of Afghanistan's reserves have caused a large GDP contraction, currency depreciation, and increase in inflation, making the economic situation in Afghanistan increasingly complex and uncertain.

      The economic situation in Afghanistan has continued to deteriorate since our last conversation in August, with a large GDP contraction, currency depreciation, and increase in inflation as anticipated. The country's imports have significantly decreased due to the halt of international aid flows and the freezing of Afghanistan's $7 billion in dollar reserves held by the US. The situation has become even more complicated with a recent court order allowing the plaintiffs of the September 11 attacks to access these reserves, making it uncertain when or if Afghanistan will regain access to its own funds. The economic shocks have led to a larger than expected GDP contraction, but a smaller currency depreciation than anticipated. Overall, the situation on the ground in Afghanistan remains challenging, with the economic conditions continuing to worsen.

    • The Fate of $1 Billion in Afghan Reserves: Victims of 9/11 vs TalibanThe US court system is deciding who gets access to $1 billion in Afghan reserves, with both victims of 9/11 and the Taliban making claims. The new Afghan Central Bank governor is managing the country's finances amidst instability, while the Taliban collect around $1 billion in revenues annually.

      The fate of over $1 billion in Afghan reserves, frozen by the US court system due to a court case involving the 711th Construction Company and the Taliban, remains uncertain. The victims of the September 11 attacks and the Taliban both seek access to these funds. The US government, through the court system, is currently considering the issue. A decision is expected this year, but it's unclear if it will be a final ruling or if there will be further appeals. The new Afghanistan Central Bank governor, Mohammed Idris, who has limited experience in economics and finance, is implementing policies to manage the country's financial situation amidst the ongoing instability. The Taliban are reportedly collecting around $1 billion in revenues annually, providing some flexibility for currency provision. Overall, the situation remains complex and uncertain.

    • Central Bank Operations in Sanctioned CountriesRunning a central bank in a sanctioned country like Afghanistan poses challenges, including limited access to dollars and increased reliance on informal financial channels.

      Running a central bank in a country under sanctions, like Afghanistan, poses significant challenges. The central bank's operations, including cash distribution, are affected by the sanctions, making it difficult to bring in and provide dollars to the market. The UN is currently providing dollars to a private bank, AIB Bank, to help provide dollars to the market. However, the informal financial sector, including Hawala dealers, already provides financial services to the majority of Afghans due to the limited banking system. The current state of Afghanistan's banking system may not be able to handle large-scale direct payments, leading to an increase in financial activity through informal channels or the black market. Principal Asset Management, as a leading real estate manager, delivers local insights and global expertise to uncover opportunities in today's market, giving clients an exclusive advantage. American Express Business Gold Card offers flexible spending capacity and annual statement credits for eligible purchases at select business merchants.

    • Alternatives to a Functional Central Bank in AfghanistanThe UN and NGOs are taking on more responsibilities in Afghanistan's financial sector due to the absence of a functional central bank, with the Taliban relying on taxes and customs for cash management and aid being distributed through private banks.

      The absence of a functional central bank in a country like Afghanistan poses significant challenges for the population and hinders progress. Some international community members are exploring alternatives, such as having a private bank perform the functions of a central bank. Currently, the Taliban's cash management needs are mainly met through taxes and customs, with no known external support. As a result, the government's role in providing services like education and health is diminishing, with the UN and NGOs taking on more responsibilities. The financial services sector is one example, with the UN providing funds to a private bank for distribution. These workarounds allow for aid to reach the population without directly funding the Taliban government. The scale of these alternative arrangements is not yet clear, but it represents a shift towards a hollowed-out central government.

    • Taliban's budget for rebuilding Afghanistan might be less than expectedThe Taliban's budget for rebuilding Afghanistan may be smaller than previously estimated due to reduced military and police costs and potential cuts in international aid. The UN's proposed $8 billion collection for 2022 might be overly optimistic.

      The Taliban's budget for rebuilding Afghanistan may be significantly less than previously estimated due to reduced military and police costs, as well as potential cuts in international aid. The UN's proposed collection of $8 billion for 2022 might be overly optimistic. The Taliban's state-building approach, which relies on outsourcing services like education and healthcare to NGOs, is a viable solution for providing humanitarian assistance without directly funding the Taliban government. However, the Taliban has expressed dissatisfaction with this arrangement and has demanded the release of frozen funds. The international community, including the US, has shown no signs of complying with these demands. The Taliban's central bank, which relies on existing staff, may also face challenges in implementing new economic policies.

    • Staffing upheaval in Afghanistan's new governmentExperienced civil servants, particularly women, are being replaced by new hires, leading to a mix of old and new staff. Opinions vary on former president Ashraf Ghani's decision to leave, but evacuations are ongoing for some.

      The rapid change in Afghanistan's government has led to significant staffing upheaval, with many experienced civil servants, particularly women, being told to stay at home or leaving the country. At the same time, the new regime is hiring and valuing those they know and trust, leading to a mix of old and new staff. Regarding the former president, Ashraf Ghani, opinions vary on his decision to leave Kabul, but many feel he should have planned for a more orderly transition. Evacuations are still ongoing for some individuals, but the process has become more difficult.

    • Efforts to Boost Afghanistan's Economy Face ChallengesInternational community support is crucial for Afghanistan to finance its large trade deficits despite efforts to increase exports and domestic industry.

      The economic situation in Afghanistan remains challenging despite efforts to rebuild and generate revenue. The country has historically had large trade deficits, with imports heavily outweighing exports. Even if the Taliban successfully increases exports, the large trade deficit would still need to be financed, making international community support crucial. Previous attempts to boost exports and domestic industry have had limited success. Without significant international aid and oversight, it will be difficult for Afghanistan to sustainably improve its economy.

    • Foreign Aid in Afghanistan: Limited Long-Term SuccessDespite significant financial investment, foreign aid in Afghanistan has led to limited job creation and a heavily reliant economy on ad hoc projects. Better aid oversight and coordination among agencies is crucial for effective use of resources and sustainable state development.

      The approach to foreign aid and development in Afghanistan over the past few decades has led to significant financial investment but limited long-term success, resulting in only a few jobs created and an economy heavily reliant on ad hoc projects. The lack of focus and coordination among various aid agencies and NGOs has led to projects that may seem important but are not necessarily beneficial for sustainable state development. An example of this is the importation of cashmere goats from Nepal, which cost $6 million but failed to support the local industry. Moving forward, it's crucial to provide better aid and oversight to ensure that resources are used effectively and efficiently, especially as a significant portion of funding goes towards humanitarian purposes. While there have been challenges in the past, and the current economic situation in Afghanistan is complex, continued oversight and structural thinking are necessary to improve the situation and work towards a more optimal outcome.

    • Afghanistan's uncertain future despite humanitarian aidDespite humanitarian aid, Afghanistan's economy is expected to decline, and living standards may not significantly improve.

      The situation in Afghanistan following the Taliban takeover is likely to be relatively stable but unsatisfactory for all parties involved. The flow of humanitarian assistance through the UN, NGOs, and the UN will help mitigate the worst outcomes, such as food insecurity for millions of people during the winter season. However, this assistance will not be enough to grow the economy or raise living standards, and the economy is expected to decline to a lower state over time. The US Treasury's recent release of general licenses provides greater clarity for donors and NGOs to provide services, but it is not enough to improve the situation significantly. Looking back, Ajmal acknowledges his responsibility for the state collapse but wishes he had resigned earlier if he couldn't change the situation. The situation in Afghanistan is complex, with significant challenges, including a lack of dollar aid and a minor export sector. While it may not be an impossible situation, it is certainly a difficult one to create a robust, thriving economy.

    • The Economy of Afghanistan: Challenges AheadDespite a shrinking GDP and surging inflation, the Taliban may not provide many services beyond security and the army, leading to outsourcing of various services to NGOs, potentially the status quo for some time.

      Key takeaway from this episode of the Odd Lots podcast is the complex and challenging situation unfolding in Afghanistan. The economy is experiencing a shrinking GDP despite surging inflation, surprising many observers. The Taliban, expected to become a centralized government, may not provide many services beyond security and the army, leading to outsourcing of various services to NGOs. The discussion also touched upon the difficulties a centralized authority in Kabul would face in governing the entire territory. The podcast did not delve into this, but it's worth considering that NGOs delivering services and donors rerouting aid around the Taliban might be the status quo for some time. The episode underscores the intricacy of the situation in Afghanistan and the potential long-term implications for the country and its people.

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