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    Ben Wittes and Eric Cortellessa: Trump's Autocratic Agenda

    en-usMay 01, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Defying Stereotypes in Unexpected PlacesIndividuals cannot be defined solely by demographics or assumed affiliations. Even in diverse settings, people may surprise us with their perspectives.

      Stereotypes can be defied, even in unexpected places. During the Trump trials, a Bullwark and Lawfare podcast fan was found among the New York City Police Department's perimeter security team. This Irish cop, who was not the stereotypical listener for anti-Trump content, openly expressed his admiration for the podcasts. This encounter highlights the importance of expanding our perspectives and recognizing that individuals cannot be defined solely by their demographics or assumed affiliations. Another significant development in the trials is Judge Marchand's response to Trump's repeated gag order violations. Instead of imprisoning him, the judge imposed a more symbolic punishment: Trump must attend his son Barron's graduation in person. This decision underscores the judge's ability to impose meaningful consequences while avoiding the logistical challenges and potential political implications of jailing a former president.

    • Testimonies from key witnesses shed light on hush money payments and Trump's statementsTestimonies from Keith Davidson, Gary Farrow, C SPAN, and a court reporting firm provided valuable insights into Michael Cohen's activities and authenticated documents related to Trump's statements about sexual assault allegations, reducing the reliance on potentially biased or unreliable testimony from Cohen.

      During the trial, Justice Marchand granted a request from Todd Blanch for Trump to attend his son's graduation on May 17th, but immediately after this decision, Trump was held in contempt on 9 separate matters. This quick succession of events raises questions about whether the contempt ruling was related to Trump's absence from court. The most significant testimony came from Keith Davidson, a lawyer for Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. His testimony was crucial as he provided insights into Michael Cohen's activities during the time he was arranging hush money payments. Gary Farrow, a banking executive, also testified about his interactions with Cohen during this period. Additionally, C SPAN and a court reporting firm were brought in as document witnesses to authenticate videos and transcripts related to Trump's statements about women who had accused him of sexual assault. Overall, these witnesses provided valuable information that helped shed light on the case, reducing the reliance on potentially biased or unreliable testimony from Michael Cohen.

    • Testimony of Lawyer Keith Davidson reveals women's interest in media opportunitiesDavidson's testimony suggests the hush money payments to Daniels and McDougal were made to influence elections, not conceal personal indiscretions.

      Keith Davidson, a seemingly ordinary lawyer, played a significant role in hush money payments to women allegedly involved with Donald Trump. Davidson testified that these women, including Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, were more interested in the media opportunities and relationships provided by the agreements than the monetary compensation. Davidson also testified that Michael Cohen, who facilitated the payments, was attempting to renege on the deals, leading to their execution after the elections. These revelations are crucial for the prosecution as they suggest that the payments were made to influence elections rather than to conceal personal indiscretions. Despite his ordinary appearance, Davidson's testimony provided valuable insights into the collusive nature of these transactions.

    • Michael Cohen payment to Karen McDougal: Connection to the campaignTestimonies from Keith Davidson and the banker suggest the deal with Karen McDougal may have been expedited due to the election, but the defense argues for its legality and Michael Cohen's credibility. The outcome depends on whether the payments were for legal services.

      That the timing of the Michael Cohen payment to Karen McDougal, which followed the Access Hollywood tape release and was made right before the election, raises questions about its connection to the campaign. The testimony from Keith Davidson and the banker add context to this timeline, suggesting that the deal may have been expedited due to the election. The defense's argument centers around three points: the legality of election interference through catch and kill deals, the credibility of Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, and the fact that Michael Cohen was paid for legal services in 2017. However, the defense's case relies on the assumption that Michael Cohen was indeed providing legal services, and the prosecution has yet to present evidence to contradict this. If the defense can successfully argue that these payments were for legitimate legal services, they could potentially win the case.

    • David Pecker's Unusual Relationship with Trump during 2016 CampaignThe defense and prosecution present contrasting views on the nature of David Pecker's relationship with Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign, with the defense arguing it was normal business practice and the prosecution aiming to prove an illegal collusion.

      That the defense and prosecution in the ongoing trial are presenting contrasting views on the nature of David Pecker's relationship with Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign. The defense argues that this behavior was normal for American Media Inc. (AMI), while the prosecution aims to prove that it was an extraordinary and democratically destructive collusive scheme. Pecker's testimony, which was discussed in detail on a podcast, supports the argument that this relationship was indeed unusual. The defense effectively presented Pecker's past unsavory dealings with various public figures, arguing that it was business as usual for AMI. In contrast, the prosecution used Pecker's testimony to highlight the differences between his general business practices and his actions during the 2016 campaign. Pecker, despite being a questionable character, emerged as a compelling witness due to his frankness and continued fondness for Trump. Ultimately, the trial hinges on the jury's determination of whether these actions were simply part of AMI's business practices or an illegal collusion.

    • Understanding Trump's Nap in CourtDespite the controversy, it's normal for anyone, including Trump, to fall asleep during long court proceedings. It doesn't compromise the proceedings' integrity.

      Despite Donald Trump's controversial actions and behavior, it is understandable for him to fall asleep during long and boring court proceedings. The host, who is known for her anti-Trump stance, defended him on this issue, pointing out that falling asleep is a common occurrence during such proceedings and does not compromise the integrity of the proceedings. The host also shared her personal experience of taking naps to get her second wind and noted that even journalists have nodded off during the same proceedings. The host's criminal defense attorney friend also confirmed that it is unusual but not bad for the defendant to nod off in court. The host concluded by emphasizing that it is harmless for Trump to take a nap rather than attacking people or causing harm.

    • Exclusive interview with Trump at Mar-a-LagoTrump sees magazine covers as symbols of fame, reveals plans for second term, surrounded by supporters including Mike Johnson and Steve Wynn, event included performance by Capitol defendants' choir

      During an exclusive interview with Eric Cordeleza of Time, former President Trump saw being on the cover of the magazine as a symbol of fame and recognition. The interview took place at Mar-a-Lago, where Trump acted as the DJ and surrounded himself with supporters, including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and billionaire Steve Wynn. Trump revealed his plans for a second term in the comprehensive interview, which was published in Time. The setting was opulent and included a surprising performance of the Star-Spangled Banner by a choir of defendants imprisoned for attacking the Capitol on January 6th. Despite the controversy surrounding Wynn's past sexual misconduct allegations, the event was a "safe space" for Trump's supporters. The interview provided insights into Trump's plans if he wins the presidency again.

    • Trump's plan to consolidate power in a second termTrump intends to increase control through loyal staffing, removing guardrails, and extreme policies if he returns to the White House

      Donald Trump, if he returns to the White House for a second term, intends to consolidate power around him by placing loyal individuals in key positions throughout the executive branch. He has shown a clear plan to remove guardrails and increase his control, including through immigration policies, greater intervention with justice department prosecutions, and the use of Schedule F to fire civil servants at will. Trump's staffing decisions are a major concern, as he has stated he would not hire individuals who do not believe in his election lies. This represents a shift from his first term, where he relied on individuals he did not know well to fill cabinet roles. Trump's actions suggest a more extreme agenda that is more likely to be implemented with a loyal team in place.

    • Staffing Administration with MAGA True BelieversTrump prioritizes his agenda by hiring 'MAGA true believers' at all levels of government, including career bureaucrats, to enforce his extreme nativist immigration policies.

      During his presidency, Donald Trump intends to prioritize his agenda and vision by staffing his administration with "MAGA true believers," not just cabinet picks or White House officials, but also unelected career government bureaucrats. He is willing to go to great lengths to enforce his extreme nativist immigration agenda, including potentially breaking existing laws and using military or National Guard forces. Despite legal restrictions, Trump sees undocumented migrants as outside the definition of civilians and may attempt to use military personnel to enforce deportations. Immigration remains a signature issue for Trump, and he plans to seize executive authority to restore previous policies and implement new measures.

    • Trump discusses abortion and states' rightsTrump expressed support for states determining their own abortion policies, but was evasive on committing to veto federal restrictions, and mentioned a potential decision on mifepristone in two weeks.

      During an extensive conversation with Donald Trump, he expressed his views on various issues, including abortion and states' rights. Trump, who has been navigating the delicate balance between pleasing his anti-abortion base and maintaining appeal to the broader public since the overturning of Roe v. Wade, stated that he would let states determine their own policies on abortion, including potential monitoring of pregnancies and prosecution of women. Despite being pressed for a commitment to veto federal restrictions on abortion, Trump demurred, stating that it would never come to his desk. During their conversation, Trump also mentioned that a decision on mifepristone and related pharmaceuticals would be announced in two weeks, but when the interviewer followed up, no policy had been announced yet. Overall, Trump seemed to be knowledgeable about the topics discussed but was evasive on certain questions.

    • Trump's Intelligence Shines in Recent InterviewTrump's interview revealed his deep understanding of various topics and his complex relationship with Israeli PM Netanyahu, which could impact Haley supporters and the national security. Trump expressed displeasure with Netanyahu's Biden congratulations and hinted military support for Israel in a potential war with Iran.

      Donald Trump, despite being underestimated by many, demonstrated a high level of intelligence during a recent interview. He was well-informed and careful with his language, showing a deep understanding of various topics. Additionally, Trump expressed his displeasure with the current Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, due to past tensions and Netanyahu's congratulatory message to President Biden. Trump also indicated his willingness to support Israel militarily if a war were to break out between Israel and Iran. This complex relationship between Trump and Netanyahu is significant, as it could impact the swing vote of Haley supporters and the larger national security-minded establishment. Overall, the interview provided insight into Trump's thoughts on various issues and his current stance towards Israel.

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