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    • Exploring the complex history of slavery and its impactUnderstanding the past helps shape our future actions, from removing symbols to planning unforgettable experiences.

      Understanding and acknowledging the complex history of slavery and its impact on modern society is essential for creating a less racist future. Clint Smith's book, "How the Word is Passed," explores how different historical sites in the US grapple with their relationship to this history. Smith was inspired by the removal of Confederate monuments in his hometown of New Orleans and the realization that these symbols reflect the stories we tell, shaping public policy and material conditions. While taking down statues won't erase systemic issues, it's part of the larger ecosystem of ideas and stories that influence how we understand the past and what actions are needed for progress. In travel, using a tool like Viator can help plan unforgettable experiences by booking guided tours and excursions in one place, with over 300,000 options and free cancellation and 24/7 customer support.

    • Exploring the untold stories of enslaved families through oral historyThe book 'How the Word is Passed' invites readers to engage with America's complex history of slavery and its ongoing impact through the lens of oral history and the experiences of enslaved families.

      The book "How the Word is Passed" explores the importance of oral history in preserving the stories of enslaved families who were not documented in the same way as other groups in American history. The author, a descendant of a black enslaved family, visits various historical sites to understand how slavery is remembered or misremembered. She chose sites that represent a spectrum of experiences, from those that center the lives of enslaved people, like the Whitney Plantation, to those that ignore their history, like Angola Prison. The book aims to capture the complexity of America's history with slavery and the ongoing impact it has on contemporary society. The author also wanted to create a literary quilt of experiences that could help readers understand the depth and breadth of this history. Ultimately, the book invites us to engage with the past in a more nuanced and honest way.

    • Jefferson's Complex LegacyJefferson's life and America's history are complex and contradictory, requiring honest remembrance to understand their impact on the present

      America's history, as embodied in figures like Thomas Jefferson, is complex and contradictory. We cannot remember the past through a nostalgic lens that ignores the facts. Jefferson, a key figure in American history, embodied the country's potential for upward mobility and wealth, but he also enslaved hundreds of people. His contradictions reflect America's own. Monticello, Jefferson's home, now acknowledges this complexity and strives to tell the full story. The American experiment, like Jefferson's life, involves holding seemingly opposing truths together. We must remember the past honestly to fully understand its impact on the present.

    • Exploring slavery's complex history beyond New Orleans and the ConfederacyThrough a narrative nonfiction approach, the author expanded his exploration of slavery's history beyond New Orleans and the Confederacy, adding depth and richness through reporting and interviews.

      The narrative nonfiction approach was effective for the author in exploring the complex history of slavery and the misunderstood relationship with it in America because it allowed for a more expansive exploration beyond New Orleans and the Confederacy, and provided an opportunity to include reporting and interviews to add depth and richness to the story. Initially, the author planned to write a collection of poems about different monuments in New Orleans, but soon realized that he needed more space to breathe and expand his exploration. The encounter with two white women at Monticello, who were unaware of the historical significance of the site, clarified the need for a conversational and reporting aspect to the book. By including personal reflections, historical research, and interviews with people at various sites, the author was able to offer a more nuanced and multi-perspective understanding of America's history with slavery.

    • A personal journey of understanding slavery's impactExploring the history of slavery requires visiting sites and places for a deeper understanding.

      The author's exploration of the history of slavery in America is a deeply personal journey of learning and discovery. The book is not written by an expert, but rather by someone seeking to understand the profound impact of slavery on the country and its people. The author invites readers to join her on this journey and encourages them to visit the sites and places where this history unfolded. The importance of experiencing these places firsthand cannot be overstated, as it provides a depth of understanding that goes beyond what can be learned from texts or documentaries. The author hopes that her book will serve as a catalyst for readers to explore their own communities and recognize the lasting impact of slavery on the American landscape.

    • Bridging the empathy gap through historical sitesVisiting historical sites related to slavery and Jim Crow can provide a visceral and sensory understanding of their impact, helping us make sense of contemporary inequality and inspiring us to challenge harmful narratives.

      The author's book aims to bridge the empathy gap by providing a visceral and sensory experience of the historical and ongoing impact of slavery and Jim Crow in America. The author hopes that this information will help readers understand the root causes of contemporary inequality and provide clarity and liberation, as it did for the author himself. The book was written for both those who are aware of these issues and those who may not be, recognizing the importance of education in addressing systemic oppression. The author's hope is that this knowledge will help readers see the logical conclusion of historical actions and inspire them to push back against harmful narratives. Visiting these places and learning their history is a powerful experience that can help make sense of the inequalities we see around us.

    • New York City's Hidden History of SlaveryNew York City played a significant role in the slave trade, with deep economic and social ties, and the Statue of Liberty's abolition symbolism often overlooked.

      The history of slavery in America is not limited to the South, but extended to Northern cities like New York City, which was the second largest slave market in the country. The economic and social infrastructure of New York City was deeply entangled in the slave trade, with Mayor Fernando Wood suggesting secession alongside the Confederacy before the Civil War. The Statue of Liberty, originally intended to celebrate the abolition of slavery, has its symbolic representation of abolition hidden in plain sight. It's a reminder that much of the history of slavery is hidden in plain sight, purposefully obfuscated to minimize its impact. To learn more about the history of slavery and its connection to New York City, consider reading the book "The Half Has Never Been Told" by Edward Baptist. For those interested in learning more about small business insurance, talk to your local State Farm agent. And for affordable wireless service, check out Mint Mobile.

    • Becoming a Parent Changed the Author's Approach to Researching SlaveryThe author's personal growth and shifting politics influenced her research on slavery, deepening her understanding of the emotional impact on enslaved children.

      The author's experience of becoming a father deeply influenced her perspective while researching and writing her book about slavery in the United States. If she were to start the project again today, her approach might be different due to her personal growth and shifting politics. Despite the limitations of her research due to the pandemic, she is proud of the completed work and hopes for future opportunities to expand on it. The emotional impact of visiting sites related to slavery was intensified for her as a parent, making the experience more visceral and the stakes feel higher. The public's understanding of slavery often focuses on physical abuse, but the author's work sheds light on other aspects of the history, such as the lives and experiences of enslaved children.

    • Recognizing the less visible forms of racism and slaveryRacism and slavery had far-reaching impacts beyond physical abuse and separation, affecting health, education, and neighborhoods. It's crucial to acknowledge these hidden harms and work towards healing and equity.

      Racism and slavery were not just about physical abuse and separation as depicted in movies like "12 Years a Slave." They also manifested in negative health outcomes, poor education, and disparities in neighborhoods. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing these less visible forms of racism and slavery. Additionally, the speaker shares a personal connection to the topic, as the threat of family separation was a psychological tool used to control enslaved people. This understanding was brought home for the speaker in a new way when they became a parent. The speaker also reflects on how their graduate education was influenced by the events in Ferguson and Trayvon Martin's death, which made clear that their academic pursuits were not just intellectual exercises but had real-world implications. They began teaching in prisons as a way to put their education into action and make a difference in communities that mattered to them.

    • Engaging with people's experiences is crucial for understanding complex issues like the carceral systemRecognizing the impact of birth and circumstance on people's lives and engaging with those directly impacted by the carceral system can foster empathy and understanding, and help address systemic issues.

      Engaging directly with people and their experiences is crucial for gaining a deeper understanding of complex issues, such as the carceral system. Theorizing and reading about incarceration is valuable, but it's essential to also interact with those who are directly impacted to avoid reducing them to abstract concepts. The arbitrary nature of birth and circumstance significantly shapes people's lives and trajectories, and recognizing this can foster empathy and understanding. The speaker's personal experiences growing up in a mixed-income neighborhood in New Orleans, despite having college-educated parents, served as a constant reminder of this reality. The carceral state, with its high incarceration rates, can impact anyone, regardless of background or circumstances, and it's essential to acknowledge and address the systemic issues that perpetuate inequality.

    • Understanding systemic oppression and its impact on Black communitiesEducators play a crucial role in helping Black children recognize societal causes of inequality instead of blaming individuals.

      Growing up as a Black person in a systemically oppressive society can be confusing and frustrating, especially when people attempt to blame individuals for their communities' conditions instead of acknowledging the historical and systemic causes. The speaker's experience in New Orleans illustrates how systems of oppression use exceptions to the rule to legitimize the underlying oppression. This lack of understanding can lead to a sense of paralysis and a need to gain the language and tools to challenge these harmful narratives. James Baldwin's essay "To Talk to Teachers" emphasizes the importance of educators helping Black children understand that society, not they themselves, is the criminal for creating the conditions they face. The ongoing debate around critical race theory highlights the need for remedial education to help people understand the truth about America's history and the systemic causes of inequality.

    • Navigating the complexities of racial progress and challengesRecognize the contradictions in our society, understand the historical and ongoing impact of slavery and racism, and work towards a clear-eyed understanding of our nation's history and current realities.

      We are living in a complex time where we celebrate progress, such as the recognition of Juneteenth as a federal holiday, while facing ongoing challenges related to racial justice, including efforts to limit the teaching of historical contexts. This contradiction creates a sense of cognitive dissonance for Black Americans, who must navigate a web of hypocrisy and contradictions within the American system. It's essential to recognize and understand this complexity, as well as the need for continued efforts to address the historical and ongoing impact of slavery and racism. The burden of working towards racial justice should not solely rest on those most affected, and it's crucial for everyone to contribute to the conversation and work towards a clear-eyed understanding of our nation's history and current realities.

    • Black writers and journalists pave the way, not solely responsible for teaching about racismBlack writers and journalists provide valuable insights, but it's essential for all to engage in conversations about racism and understand its impact.

      Black writers and journalists have paved the way for the next generation, providing opportunities and examples of excellence. However, it is not their responsibility to teach white people about racism and history. Instead, they write for their community and hope that others find value in their work. The speaker, Clint Smith, wrote his book, "How the Word is Passed," for a younger version of himself and hopes it serves as a freeing and emancipatory experience for others. The burden of understanding and addressing racism should not solely rest on black writers and journalists. It's essential for white people to engage in these conversations within their communities. The current time is an exciting one for black journalism, with many talented writers and journalists making a significant impact.

    • Embrace continuous learning and adaptationStay open-minded, curious, and embrace new technologies to navigate challenges and transform industries

      The importance of continuous learning and adaptation in today's rapidly changing world. Our guests shared their experiences and insights on how they've navigated various challenges and transformed their industries. They emphasized the value of being open-minded, staying curious, and embracing new technologies. So, whether you're an entrepreneur, a professional, or just someone looking to grow, remember that learning doesn't stop after school or work. Keep exploring new ideas, seek out diverse perspectives, and never be afraid to try something new. And if you enjoyed today's conversation, please consider rating and reviewing this podcast to help us reach more listeners. Join us again on Monday for another insightful episode of Vox Conversations.

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