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    Collegiate colleagues? With Michelle Thomson

    enSeptember 13, 2023

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    • Prioritizing Customer Needs: Burrows Furniture, Mint Mobile, 1800flowers.com, and Scotch Whisky AssociationBurrows Furniture focuses on customer convenience with easy assembly, color options, durable materials, and fast free shipping. Mint Mobile reduces prices to combat inflation. 1800flowers.com offers free shipping and rewards for gift giving. The Scotch Whisky Association's campaign educates consumers about alcohol units.

      Burrows Furniture prioritizes customer needs with easy assembly, requested colors, durable materials, and fast free shipping. Mint Mobile, on the other hand, is cutting prices in response to inflation. For gift giving, 1800flowers.com's Celebrations Passport offers free shipping and rewards. Meanwhile, the Scotch Whisky Association's Made to be Measured campaign educates consumers about alcohol units. In the news segment, the Scottish government may proceed with a drugs consumption room pilot without UK government intervention. Jeff Aberdeen and Andy McKeever were welcomed back to the podcast after a week's absence. Listeners were encouraged to send in questions for them and to follow the podcast for special episodes commemorating the 9th anniversary of the independence referendum.

    • Michelle Thomson sees Lord Advocate's intervention as a turning point in Scotland's drug deaths crisisMichelle Thomson, the new Scottish Tory MSP for Falkirk East, believes the Lord Advocate's stance on safe consumption rooms signals a change in attitude from the Scottish government and marks the end of a divisive issue, offering hope for effective solutions to Scotland's drug crisis

      Michelle Thomson, the new Scottish Tory MSP for Falkirk East, welcomes the Lord Advocate's intervention on safe consumption rooms for drugs as a turning point in addressing Scotland's drug deaths crisis. She believes this intervention signals a change in attitude from the Scottish government and marks the end of a divisive issue between the Scottish and UK parliaments. Thomson emphasizes the importance of treating drug addiction with dignity and respect, and sees the consumption rooms as an opportunity for communication and support for those struggling with underlying issues. Despite the long-standing political football between Holyrood and Westminster on this issue, Thomson is optimistic that this intervention represents a step forward in finding effective solutions to the drug crisis.

    • Political challenge of drug consumption rooms in ScotlandDespite differences in perspectives on devolution, Scottish politicians aim to address drug-related harms collaboratively and find common ground, with a focus on positive outcomes for people through ongoing pilot projects.

      The ongoing debate about drug consumption rooms in Scotland represents a significant political challenge, as it intersects with issues of devolution and the constitutional settlement. While there is a shared goal of addressing drug-related harms, the parties' positions are influenced by their perspectives on devolution and the potential implications for the Scottish Parliament's powers. Alastair Jack's statement is seen as a potential turning point, as it suggests a more collaborative approach. As a parliamentarian, the importance of building respectful relationships and finding common ground, even in contentious issues, is emphasized. Despite the complexity of the situation, the focus remains on achieving positive outcomes for people. The ongoing pilot project is an opportunity to evaluate potential solutions and work towards improvements. The speaker also highlights the importance of maintaining a collegiate approach, even when differences exist, to facilitate progress.

    • Lost Collegiality in Scottish PoliticsThe Scottish Tories need to regain the collegial nature of politics, focus on outcomes, and challenge damaging policies, while remembering to work towards common ground, even in the face of constitutional debates. The drugs situation in Scotland and accountability for the SMP are major issues that require attention.

      The collegial nature of politics, as exemplified by the late David McLeatchy, is something that has been lost in recent years, particularly within the Scottish Tories. McLeatchy, a unionist and conservative, was known for his ferocious opposition but also his ability to maintain relationships with his opponents. He opposed devolution but worked to protect it once in place. The parliament has lost this collegiality, and it will take bravery and leadership from within the Scottish Tories to challenge policies that are damaging to Scotland, even if they align with Westminster's stance. It's important to remember that the focus should be on outcomes and finding common ground, rather than getting bogged down in constitutional debates. Additionally, the drugs situation in Scotland is a major issue that requires attention and a focus on outcomes. The SMP also needs to be held accountable for their actions.

    • Effective collaboration between political parties is crucial for progress and saving livesPolitical parties must engage in respectful communication and understanding to build relationships, consensus, and deliver change through people, not to them.

      Effective collaboration between political parties, particularly in times of crisis, is crucial for making progress and saving lives. This was emphasized during a discussion about the need for intervention in consumption areas and the potential for collegiate working. The importance of respectful communication and engagement with people, regardless of political affiliations, was also highlighted as a fundamental aspect of politics. The experience of interparty relations, including the behavior of MSPs towards each other, was acknowledged, but the emphasis was on the need for acceptance of different views and the potential for building relationships and consensus. The speaker expressed her belief in the importance of engaging with people and delivering change through them, rather than to them. She encouraged all political parties to adopt this attitude and emphasized the value of respectful dialogue and understanding. The speaker also shared her concerns about the potential implications of the situation with Fergus Ewing and the importance of maintaining diversity within political parties.

    • SNP's internal conflicts and potential departure of Fergus EwingThe SNP's handling of internal conflicts, specifically the potential departure of Fergus Ewing, could weaken the party's position and distract from their goals. It's crucial for the party to engage in open dialogue and prevent further damage.

      The SNP's handling of internal conflicts, specifically the potential departure of Fergus Ewing from the Scottish National Party (S&P), could have significant consequences. Ewing's departure could weaken the S&P's position and hinder their progress. The lack of open dialogue and engagement on policy differences has been a concern, but it's crucial for the party to continue these conversations behind closed doors to prevent further damage. The SNP's behavior suggests it still clings to the belief it holds significant power, but the reality is that it's in a position of reduced influence. Learning from past experiences, such as the Tory leadership contest in 2011, the SNP could have healed this rift more quickly. The longer this conflict persists, the more it distracts from the party's goals and plays into the hands of opposition parties.

    • SNP's internal tensions and disagreementsThe SNP needs to prioritize open dialogue and address internal disagreements to maintain a healthy political environment.

      The Scottish National Party (SNP) is currently experiencing internal tensions and disagreements, which Jeff described as "nastiness," but he believes that dialogue and a shift in culture towards more open discussions can help resolve these issues. Jeff also mentioned that the SNP's perceived need to present a collegiate front at all times may contribute to the perceived immaturity of the Scottish Parliament. Hamza, the current First Minister, has taken over and is working on setting out his agenda, but it remains to be seen how effective it will be in shifting public opinion and narrowing the gap between the SNP and other parties. Overall, the SNP needs to focus on open dialogue and addressing internal disagreements to ensure a healthy and productive political environment.

    • SNP's defeat and new leadership require quicker policy implementation and emotional connectionThe SNP, under new leader Hamzah Yusuf, must clarify policy positions, connect emotionally with the public, and address challenges inherited from the previous administration to differentiate and grow support.

      The by-election defeat for the Scottish National Party (SNP) and the leadership of Hamzah Yusuf does not mark a clear departure or a step change, but rather requires a quicker implementation of policy priorities and a stronger emotional connection with the public. The SNP, under Yusuf, inherited a difficult situation and policy agenda from the previous administration, but it's essential for him to clarify and own his policy positions to differentiate himself effectively. The emotional disconnect between the public and the SNP leadership is a significant challenge, and addressing it alongside policy implementation is crucial. The ongoing transformation within the Labour Party under Anas Sarwar, with a focus on growth as the solution to poverty, highlights the importance of strategic positioning and connecting with aspirational voters.

    • SNP's focus on growth and aspirationsThe SNP should emphasize people's aspirations for growth and improvement to maintain dominance, as this has been a successful strategy since 2004.

      The Scottish National Party (SNP) should focus on the center ground and appeal to people's aspirations for growth and improvement in their lives to maintain its dominance. The SNP's success in the past was due to its ability to connect with the majority of people and work behind the scenes to value various groupings, including businesses. The fundamentals of people's interest in growth and improvement have not changed, and the SNP should continue to emphasize these aspects to win elections. The SNP's leadership has been focused on being the party of aspirational voters and small businesses since 2004, and this strategy has largely been effective. The upcoming Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election should be seen as a point in time rather than a critical indicator, and the focus should be on the general election and the Scottish elections. The SNP's focus on growth and aspirations has been a key factor in its success and will continue to be important.

    • Rutherglen by-election could impact Scottish First Minister Hanza YousafYousaf needs to adapt to public role and win over voters to avoid disappointing election outcome

      The Rutherglen by-election could serve as a turning point for Scottish First Minister Hanza Yousaf. With the ongoing police investigation and the lack of time on his side, a significant loss in the by-election could push him to accelerate changes in both policy and personal presentation. Impressions from private interactions suggest Yousaf is likable and sociable, but he needs to fully embrace the public role and put on the "suit" to win over voters at a larger scale. Failure to do so could result in a disappointing outcome in the upcoming general election.

    • Leadership requires emotional connection and confidenceHamzah Yousuf must connect emotionally with public and take on challenges, while resolving dilemmas with Fergus Ewing to keep him in the tent

      Effective leadership requires both emotional connection and confidence in one's actions. Hamzah Yousuf, as a frontman and leader, needs to develop an emotional connection with the public while getting himself out there and taking on challenges, just like Alex Salmond did. However, the SNP is currently facing a dilemma with Fergus Ewing, who may become a rebellious figure if suspended or appear weak if let off. A grown-up conversation between Hamzah and Fergus is necessary to find a resolution and keep him in the tent. Ultimately, trying to play both sides may not be sustainable, and issues that come up will continue to be a source of controversy.

    • SNP faces delicate negotiations on gender recognition and unityBoth sides in SNP's gender recognition debate must give and find common ground to maintain unity and avoid expulsion of key figures, while navigating complexities from coalition agreement and differing ideologies.

      The ongoing discussions within the SNP regarding gender recognition and other contentious issues cannot be ignored, and finding a compromise between opposing factions within the party will be a delicate negotiation process. Both sides must be willing to give and find common ground, as the alternative could lead to further division and potential expulsion of key figures. The coalition agreement with the Greens and the differing ideological views on strategy and identity politics add complexity to the situation, making it essential for the leadership to navigate these challenges carefully. Ultimately, the goal should be to maintain unity within the party while respecting diverse viewpoints.

    • Discreetly handling the Butte House Agreement discussionConsider the implications and alignment with objectives before publicly declaring strategic alliances, and be aware of political landscape to achieve objectives.

      Strategic alliances are essential for getting agendas through, but the need for a publicly declared formal agreement may depend on the specific context. Michelle believes that the discussion about the Butte House Agreement should be handled discreetly and sensitively, and it's important to consider the implications and whether it still aligns with the SNP's objectives. Regarding Rory Stewart's potential entry into the Scottish Parliament, Michelle cautions him to be aware of the current state of the Scottish Tory party and its priorities. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of strategic thinking, adaptability, and understanding the political landscape to achieve objectives.

    • Scottish Tory Party's focus on unionism and lack of policy discussion in Scottish Parliament causing exodus of membersThe Scottish Tory Party's focus on unionism and lack of policy discussion in the Scottish Parliament are leading to the departure of members for Westminster. To keep more members engaged, the party should better understand its identity and address these issues.

      There's a disconnect between the Scottish Tory Party's identity as a center-right party and its current focus on unionism. Michelle Thompson highlighted this issue, expressing her frustration that Scottish Tories often leave for Westminster in search of political power. She suggested that a better understanding of the Scottish Tory Party's current state and a focus on growing the institution at home could keep more members engaged. Rory Stewart was advised to consider which aspect of the party he wanted to join. The conversation also touched on the lack of discussion on important policy areas in the Scottish Parliament, which has led some Tories to leave for Westminster. Andy Wightman suggested that focusing on these issues and growing the Scottish Parliament could keep more members engaged and reduce the need for them to leave. In summary, the Scottish Tory Party's focus on unionism and the lack of discussion on key policy areas in the Scottish Parliament are contributing factors to the exodus of Tory members to Westminster. A better understanding of the party's current identity and a focus on addressing these issues could help keep more members engaged and contribute to better politics in Scotland.

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