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    Doug Evans On Food Inequality, The Power of Sprouts & Lessons Learned from Failure

    enJune 08, 2020

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    • Discussing the importance of living, enzymatically rich plant foods and food deserts issueLearn about the benefits of consuming living, enzymatically rich plant foods and addressing food deserts for a healthier and more equitable society.

      Doug Evans, a cereal health food entrepreneur and co-founder of Organic Avenue, emphasizes the importance of consuming living, enzymatically rich, and fiber-rich plant foods. He highlights the significance of knowing the source of our food and the current food deserts issue in America. Evans also encourages people to try sprouting, which is a living food that offers numerous health benefits. Amidst the current social and political climate, Rich Roll, the podcast host, encourages listeners to speak up and take action towards creating a more just world. The conversation with Evans may seem asynchronous with the news cycle but touches upon the root cause of socioeconomic disparity - food inequality. Additionally, the podcast is brought to you by On, a brand offering next-gen premium fabrics for high-performance apparel, and Go Brewing, a company producing alcohol-free brews.

    • Starting from scratch: Entrepreneurial resilience and innovationFailure and adversity can lead to valuable lessons and new opportunities. Embrace natural, nutrient-dense foods like sprouts for health. Passionately follow your dreams to create high-quality products.

      Failure and adversity can lead to valuable lessons and new opportunities. This was exemplified in the story of Doug Evans, who shared his experience of starting a failed startup, Juicero, and bouncing back with his new book, The Sprout Book. Another key takeaway is the importance of natural, nutrient-dense foods like sprouts for overall health and wellness. Joe from Go Brewing also showcased the power of following one's passion and creating high-quality, alcohol-free craft brews. Despite the unusual circumstances of recording during the pandemic, the in-person conversation allowed for a deeper connection and a more engaging experience. Overall, the discussion highlighted the resilience of entrepreneurs and the potential for growth and innovation even in the face of challenges.

    • Protests and pandemic: A call for change and growthRecognize the importance of providing space for important voices, address long-standing issues of disenfranchisement and oppression, listen and learn, and take action towards creating a more equitable and just society.

      The current global events, including protests against racial injustice and the COVID-19 pandemic, have brought about a sense of heaviness and uncertainty, but also a call for growth, consciousness, and change. The speaker expresses feelings of despair and paralysis, but recognizes the importance of providing space for important voices to be heard. The protests, though uncomfortable, are a necessary step towards addressing long-standing issues of disenfranchisement and oppression. The speaker emphasizes the seriousness of the situation and the need for empathy, listening, and education. For privileged individuals, it is more important to listen and learn than to speak. The speaker also highlights the issue of food poverty and inequality as a significant concern that needs addressing, regardless of the current events. Overall, the situation calls for introspection, empathy, and action towards creating a more equitable and just society.

    • From Overlooked to Valuable: The Power of SproutingSprouting is a simple, cost-effective way to significantly improve nutrition and reduce food expenses, despite common misconceptions of exclusivity and complexity.

      The simple and cost-effective practice of sprouting, which can significantly improve nutrition, is often overlooked due to misconceptions about its exclusivity and complexity. The speaker's personal journey from being influenced by family health issues to adopting a healthy lifestyle, including sprouting, highlights how this solution has been available all along. Despite the common perception that healthy eating is a privileged lifestyle, sprouting can provide a substantial portion of calories for a very small investment. The speaker's experience of living in a food desert and rediscovering the value of sprouts demonstrates their accessibility and affordability. By growing and consuming sprouts at home, individuals can reap their numerous health benefits and reduce their food expenses.

    • Grow Your Own Nutrient-Dense Food: Sprouting VegetablesSprouting vegetables, especially broccoli sprouts, is a cost-effective, quick way to add healthy foods to your diet. It offers numerous health benefits and can be incorporated into various diets.

      Sprouting your own vegetables, specifically broccoli sprouts, is a simple, cost-effective, and nutrient-dense way to add more healthy foods to your diet. With just a small investment in seeds, you can yield large amounts of fresh sprouts in a short amount of time. Sprouting has gained popularity among health enthusiasts and even unexpected figures like bodybuilder Jujimufu, who has used it to amplify the reach of a book about plant-based eating. Historically, growing your own produce was a common practice, but in today's convenience culture, many people have lost touch with their food sources. Embracing the power of sprouting can lead to a sense of empowerment and sovereignty over your health. Despite initial misconceptions about sprouts being a hippie or unappetizing food, they offer numerous health benefits and can be easily incorporated into various diets, from keto to plant-based.

    • Discover the Nutritional Power of SproutsSprouts are nutrient-dense foods that can help curb appetite, easy to make, and offer a wide range of nutrients, making them a valuable addition to a healthy diet.

      Sprouts are not just a garnish, but a nutrient-dense food that can help curb appetite due to their high nutrient content. Sprouting is an easy process that involves soaking seeds in water and allowing them to germinate. The time it takes for sprouts to grow varies depending on the seed type. For instance, sunflower sprouts take a week to grow. There are many varieties of sprouts, and each has a unique sprouting protocol. The author was inspired to create a book with 40 raw, 100% plant-based recipes where half of the ingredients are sprouts. The process of sprouting involves soaking seeds, rinsing them, and allowing them to germinate in a jar with a breathable lid, at a 45-degree angle. Sprouts offer a wide range of nutrients and can be easily incorporated into various dishes, making them a valuable addition to a healthy diet.

    • Bringing Out the Full Potential of SeedsSprouting seeds enhances their nutritional value, makes them more bioavailable, and eliminates the need to overeat, making them a great addition to a healthy diet.

      Seeds, when given the right conditions, have an innate desire to sprout and grow. Whether it's through soaking in water or using various sprouting mediums, these simple tools allow us to bring out the full potential of these living organisms. Seeds like mung beans, green peas, and lentils, when sprouted, not only provide a good source of protein and fiber but also adapt to various flavors. Moreover, sprouting seeds makes them more nutritious and bioavailable, as the nutrients become more concentrated and easier for the body to absorb. For instance, chia seeds, when germinated, can grow up to 20 times their size and provide an abundance of omega-3s, fiber, and chlorophyll. By sprouting seeds, we not only enhance their nutritional value but also eliminate the compulsion to overeat, making them an excellent addition to a healthy and balanced diet.

    • Nutrients in Sprouts are More ConcentratedSprouts contain more concentrated nutrients, including sulforaphane, which are beneficial for autism spectrum disorder and create heat shock proteins. They are more efficient sources due to higher glucoraphanin content and increase in food volume during sprouting.

      Certain nutrients, like sulforaphane found in cruciferous vegetables, are most concentrated in their early stages of growth, such as sprouts. These nutrients provide significant health benefits, particularly in the case of autism spectrum disorder, where they can help create heat shock proteins. The process of activating these nutrients involves mixing the precursor, glucoraphanin, with the enzyme myrosinase. Broccoli seeds, for instance, contain 50 to 100 times more glucoraphanin than mature broccoli, making sprouts a more efficient source. Moreover, sprouting not only increases the nutrient content but also the volume of the food, such as lentils, which can double in size when sprouted. The health benefits of these sprouts extend beyond the measured antioxidant and vitamin C levels, as they also offer a life force that modern science is yet to fully understand. Overall, consuming these nutrient-dense, living sprouts is a simple yet powerful way to boost your health.

    • Discover the benefits of sprouting for your health and walletSprouting is a cost-effective, nutritious way to improve gut health, rich in fiber, protein, vitamins, and antioxidants. Convenient and sustainable, it's a natural alternative to probiotics during crises, and has numerous health benefits like anti-cancer properties.

      Sprouting is a simple, cost-effective, and nutritious addition to any diet, regardless of dietary restrictions or preferences. Sprouting is rich in fiber, protein, vitamins, and antioxidants, making it an excellent source of prebiotics that can improve gut health and microbiome. The convenience and affordability of sprouting, especially during times of crisis like the COVID-19 pandemic, have led to a significant increase in sales of sprouting seeds. Furthermore, sprouting can be a more sustainable and natural alternative to probiotic supplements, and the adjustment period to incorporating sprouts into your diet is worth the potential gassiness and discomfort. Sprouts have been shown to have numerous health benefits, including anti-cancer properties, and are an essential component of a balanced and nutritious diet.

    • Exploring Sprouting as an Accessible and Nutritious Way to Boost Immune Health During the PandemicSprouting, especially sunflower and broccoli, is a low-cost, accessible way to improve immune health during the pandemic by addressing fiber deficiencies and providing nutrient-dense foods.

      During the COVID-19 pandemic, when people were at home looking for things to do, sprouting emerged as an accessible and low-cost way to explore plant-based eating and boost immune health. The importance of taking care of one's immune system, often overlooked in the pandemic narrative, is crucial. Research from Wuhan suggests that fiber deficiency is a common thread among COVID-19 deaths. Sprouting, with its dynamic nutritional profile, offers a solution. Sunflower sprouts are particularly noteworthy for their food value and potential health benefits. The sunflower seed's journey from a small sprout to a 5-inch sprout, and eventually a 6-foot sunflower, symbolizes nature's ability to thrive and provide sustenance. From a health perspective, broccoli sprouts are a rich source of sulforaphane, a compound linked to numerous health benefits, including anticancer and longevity properties. Exploring the various seeds and their sprouts, each with its unique benefits, offers a fascinating opportunity for further research.

    • Experiment with Seeds at Home for Health Benefits and Cost SavingsSprouting seeds at home is an affordable way to boost nutrition and try various seeds for health benefits. Examples include broccoli for longevity and lentils for energy. Avocado, hemp, flax, and buckwheat seeds also benefit from sprouting.

      Sprouting seeds at home is an easy, cost-effective, and fun way to experiment with various types of seeds for different health benefits and purposes. From broccoli sprouts for longevity to lentil sprouts for energy during physical activity, there's a wide range of seeds to try. Sprouting also enhances the nutritional value of seeds by making them more digestible and bioavailable. Avocado seeds, hemp seeds, flax seeds, and buckwheat are some examples of seeds that are particularly beneficial when sprouted. Sprouting clubs can be a great community initiative to share resources and expertise, reducing the need for large-scale kitchen sprouting operations. And for those in food deserts or areas with limited access to healthy foods, urban gardening and sprouting can be a valuable solution to promote self-sufficiency and improve overall health.

    • Using platforms to promote healthier food optionsComedian actresses can make a big impact by promoting sprouts as a cost-effective, nutritious alternative to fast food, but education and adoption are key challenges.

      Comedian actresses, like the one discussed, who use their platforms to promote healthier food options, such as growing sprouts, can make a significant impact on communities, particularly those operating on low budgets and relying heavily on fast food. However, the challenge lies in education and adoption, as many people may find the concept of eating sprouts as a larger portion of their meals foreign and unfamiliar. The benefits of sprouts, which include being local, organic, requiring minimal resources, and having a high nutritional value, make them an eco-friendly and cost-effective alternative to other food sources. The speaker shared personal experiences of successfully introducing sprouts to individuals, demonstrating the potential for sprout consciousness to spread and take root in communities. The conversation also touched on the importance of accessibility and education in promoting healthier food choices.

    • Sprouting Seeds at Home with Basic EquipmentSprout seeds in a mason jar with cheesecloth and a bamboo tray. Opt for organic, tested seeds for best results, and avoid rancid seeds to minimize health risks.

      To successfully sprout seeds at home, you don't need fancy equipment or expensive kits. A mason jar with cheesecloth and a bamboo dish drying tray can do the job. When purchasing seeds, opt for organic, seeds specifically designed for sprouting, and those that have been tested for pathogens and have a high germination rate. Fresh seeds are crucial to prevent mold growth. Companies like Sproutman.com and TrueLeaf Market offer such seeds. While the market for sprouting seeds is growing, be mindful of ensuring they don't go rancid. The risk of foodborne illness from sprouting at home is minimal compared to other food sources like chicken. Sprouting legumes can help make these healthy foods more accessible to those with sensitivities or concerns. The fear of lectins should not deter you from incorporating sprouts into your diet. Sprouts are gaining mainstream popularity, with health advocates like Katie Wells of Wellness Mama recommending them for new mothers.

    • Living Self-Sufficiently at Burning Man with SproutsBringing and growing sprouts at Burning Man reduces waste, promotes brain health, and advocates for a self-sufficient and sustainable lifestyle.

      Burning Man embodies the anti-system by encouraging a self-sufficient and sustainable lifestyle. One example of this is the idea of bringing and growing sprouts as a leave-no-trace gift. This not only reduces waste but also provides nutritional benefits and promotes brain health. The speaker's personal experience with sprouts and their positive impact on his life has led him to become an advocate and share the consciousness with others. It's a simple yet effective way to improve one's health and reduce environmental impact, one person at a time. The importance of diet and lifestyle in overall well-being is a crucial conversation that should be had, especially in today's world where obesity and poor nutrition are prevalent issues. The unifying power of food and the potential to overcome unconscious biases and discrimination make the sprout movement a powerful and impactful one.

    • Individual actions and conversations shape health trendsA woman's experience of feeling pressured to eat meat in a toxic work environment and later revert to vegetarianism illustrates how personal choices can impact health trends. Passionate individuals and organizations have popularized foods like kale and sprouts.

      Individual actions and conversations can lead to collective consciousness and the popularization of certain health trends. The discussion highlights the example of a woman who felt the need to eat meat to compete in a toxic corporate environment but later reverted back to being a vegetarian. The idea of toxicity and the need to survive in a masculine corporate world led her to this decision. The conversation then shifted to how certain health foods, like kale and sprouts, have gained popularity through passionate individuals and organizations promoting them. Now, during the health crisis, the speaker encourages focusing on building a healthy habit, such as eating sprouts, rather than on what to remove from one's diet. They have a long-standing friendship and have witnessed each other's ventures in the health industry, including the Juicero adventure with its highs and lows.

    • A vision to make fresh juices accessibleJuicero aimed to address dietary guidelines and provide fresh, delicious juice on demand in 2 minutes, but learned the importance of a fresh produce supply chain and Wi-Fi connectivity for juice's freshness.

      The Juicero story is not just about a failed tech startup, but a vision to make fresh fruit and vegetable juices accessible to more people. Doug Evans, the founder, aimed to address the US dietary guideline issue of people consuming less than one serving of fruits and vegetables a day. He wanted to create a juicer that could provide fresh juice on demand in just 2 minutes. After numerous prototypes and challenges, they realized the importance of a fresh produce supply chain and Wi-Fi connectivity to ensure the juice's freshness. Despite the negative narrative, Juicero was about providing a healthier option with the freshest, most delicious juice possible.

    • The Juicero fiasco: A cautionary tale of overshooting in businessThe Juicero case highlights the risks of losing touch with reality and the consequences of overshooting in business, particularly in the tech industry. Focusing on a smaller scale and more affordable product might have saved the company.

      The Juicero fiasco serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of losing touch with reality and the consequences of overshooting in business, particularly in the tech industry. The company, which aimed to sell an expensive juice machine and subscription service, raised a significant amount of money but failed to deliver a viable product. The high profile of the company and the large sums of money involved made it an easy target for criticism and ridicule. The mistakes made by the team, including revealing the amount of funding raised and not being able to control the narrative after a negative New York Times article, led to an unparalleled level of schadenfreude. If Juicero had focused on a smaller scale and more affordable product, it might have been able to gain traction and eventually improve upon its initial offering. The Silicon Valley mindset of thinking big and entering the spectrum with significant funding can be unforgiving if mistakes are made. Despite losing billions, companies like Uber can continue to operate due to their vast financial resources. However, the Juicero case illustrates the importance of staying grounded in reality and being mindful of the scale of operations.

    • Juicero's Failure: Poor Communication and MessagingEffective communication and messaging are crucial for a product's success, even if the product is innovative and works as intended.

      Despite the Juicero's innovative product that worked as intended, the company's failure was largely due to poor communication and messaging. The public perception was shaped by negative media coverage, and the company's inability to control the narrative led to a public backlash. Even though the product was still selling and growing, the negative attention snowballed into an avalanche, ultimately leading to the company's demise. If given a chance to do it again, the entrepreneur would focus on effective communication strategies and proactively shaping the public narrative to better showcase the product's value. This experience serves as a reminder that a great product alone is not enough to ensure success; effective communication and messaging are equally important.

    • Rushing growth can lead to inefficient decision-makingSlow down and focus on smaller goals for a more robust product and understanding the market. Avoid rash decisions and unnecessary expenses.

      Rushing growth in a startup can lead to inefficient decision-making and unsustainable practices. The interviewee shared his experience of operating at an intense pace in his entrepreneurial journey, which resulted in high highs and low lows. He mentioned that working too fast didn't give the team enough time to learn and solve problems effectively, leading to rash decisions and unnecessary expenses. If he were to do it again, he would have gone slower and focused on smaller goals, such as local markets and a more robust product for businesses. He also emphasized the importance of understanding the market and the strategic play of focusing on a premium product for consumers, which would have created consumer demand organically. Lastly, he discussed the reality of being funded by venture capitalists, where most companies will not make it, and the importance of being aware of the cultural expectations and pressures in Silicon Valley.

    • A reminder of the importance of perseverance and innovationStay true to your intentions and focus on the positive impact on people's lives, not just billion-dollar success.

      Success in business, particularly in the tech industry, often comes down to taking bold risks and dominating markets, but it's important to remember that not every business needs to be a billion-dollar unicorn. The story of General Magic, as shared by Matt Rogers, is a reminder of the importance of perseverance and innovation, even when faced with setbacks and failure. The focus on raising large amounts of capital can sometimes overshadow the importance of building a successful business through hard work, hustle, and creativity. It's also essential to be aware of the media's sensationalism and clickbait culture, which can distort the truth and create unnecessary negative attention. Ultimately, the most important thing is to stay true to your intentions and focus on the positive impact your business can have on people's lives.

    • Rediscovering Passions After SetbacksDespite professional setbacks, staying true to oneself and following passions can lead to personal growth and fulfillment.

      Having a clear intention and living authentically can lead to personal growth and fulfillment, even after experiencing professional setbacks. The speaker shares that she attended numerous conferences to network and learn, but when she was no longer invited, she reassessed her priorities and realized her true passion was promoting health and wellness. She then took her time to reflect and eventually started a business focused on food equality and growing one's own food. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of staying true to oneself and not being swayed by materialism. She eventually found a piece of land in the desert, built a compound, and created a space for friends to visit and relax. Through this journey, she learned the importance of staying true to herself and following her passions, even when faced with adversity.

    • Discovering the benefits of simple, self-sufficient desert livingLiving in the desert offers access to land, clean water, and opportunities for self-sufficiency through sprouting and farming. Sprouting is an easy, nutritious way to consume living plant foods and has positive effects on mind and body.

      Living a simple, self-sufficient life in the desert, as described by the speaker, offers numerous benefits such as access to land, clean water, and the opportunity for learning and growing food through sprouting and farming. The speaker's journey from growing up in the city to living in the desert is a testament to the transformative power of personal growth and the importance of taking control of one's health. Sprouting, specifically, is an easy, accessible, and nutritious way to consume living plant foods, which can have positive effects on both the mind and body. The speaker's enthusiasm for sprouting and self-sufficient living is contagious, and he encourages others to try it for themselves, especially during these uncertain times. The Sprout Book, which the speaker mentions, serves as a comprehensive resource for anyone interested in learning more about sprouting and its many benefits.

    • Collaboration of talented team membersThe team behind the show includes Blake, Jessica Marana, Ali Rogers, Georgia Whaley, DK, and Tyler Pyatt, Trapper Pyatt, and Hari Mathis, each bringing unique skills to create a visually impressive and informative production. The team is looking forward to the next episode featuring an AMA with Adam Skolnick and planning to experiment with a new format.

      The impressive collaboration of talented individuals behind the scenes. The lighting was particularly noteworthy and added to the overall great look of the production. Some key team members include Blake, Jessica Marana for graphics, Ali Rogers for portraits (although not present this time), Georgia Whaley for copywriting, DK for advertiser relationships, and Tyler Pyatt, Trapper Pyatt, and Hari Mathis for theme music. The team is expressing gratitude for each other's contributions and looking forward to the next episode, which will feature an AMA with Adam Skolnick. They're planning to experiment with a new format, so viewers can expect something fresh and exciting. Until then, the team signs off with "peace, plants."

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