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    Ep. 53: Training for Life with Robert Linkul

    enJuly 06, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Robert's journey from injuries to inspiring older adultsDiscovering the importance of strength training for older adults through personal experiences, Robert founded TOA to teach trainers effective methods for working with this demographic, emphasizing resilience and mobility.

      No matter your age, health challenges are a part of life, and Robert Linkle's journey is a testament to that. After dealing with numerous injuries and surgeries, he discovered a passion for helping older adults stay strong and mobile through strength training. His business, TOA (Training the Older Adult), was born out of his experiences and the need to teach other trainers how to effectively work with this demographic. Robert's story highlights the importance of resilience and the non-negotiable need for strength training as we age to maintain mobility and overall health. Despite his own health hurdles, he continues to inspire and educate others, proving that life experiences can be transformative.

    • Kettlebell Training for All Ages, Even with Joint ReplacementsKettlebell training is adaptable for people of all ages, including those with joint replacements. Myths about not being able to squat, lunge, or kneel are debunked with proper modifications and progression.

      Kettlebell training, with its accessibility and adaptability, can be beneficial for people of all ages, including those with joint replacements. The speaker, a trainer specializing in older adults, shared her personal experience and the impact of strength training on cognitive function and overall well-being. She emphasized that common beliefs about not being able to squat, lunge, or kneel after joint replacement are myths. With proper modifications and progression, individuals can regain mobility and even return to activities like running. The advancements in joint replacement surgery also contribute to a more active lifestyle post-surgery.

    • Maintaining Physical Activity and Athleticism in Old AgeFocus on explosive and reactive movements, prioritize fall prevention, and consider tempo to maintain balance, coordination, and spatial awareness during aging.

      Aging doesn't have to mean an end to physical activity or athletic pursuits, even with joint replacements. Mindset plays a significant role in how we approach aging and maintaining our health. Heavy single lifts may not be necessary as we age, and instead, focusing on explosive and reactive movements can help improve fall prevention and overall dynamic ability. The ability to move and respond quickly is crucial for maintaining balance, coordination, and spatial awareness. It's essential to consider the importance of being able to get up and down easily, play with grandkids, and perform daily activities without pain or suffering, rather than just focusing on physical appearance. Tempo, or the speed at which we move, is an often overlooked aspect of training that can significantly impact our health and mobility as we age.

    • The Importance of Functional Training for Everyday LifeFunctional training enhances daily activities, prevents age-related health issues, and boosts overall well-being by improving bone density, muscle mass, and functional movements.

      Functional training, which involves moving your body in real-life ways, is essential for improving overall fitness and preventing age-related health issues. The speaker shares personal experiences and statistics to highlight the importance of resistance training, bone density exercises, and maintaining muscle mass. They emphasize that everyday activities like carrying groceries, hinging, and reaching are part of the "sport of life," and neglecting these functional movements can lead to serious health problems, such as sarcopenia, osteopenia, and obesity. The speaker encourages everyone to prioritize functional training and make it a part of their daily routine, as it can significantly improve their quality of life, bone density, and overall well-being.

    • Aging and Health: Prioritizing Muscle Mass, Bone Density, and Weight ManagementFocusing on maintaining muscle mass, bone density, and avoiding excessive body weight can help mitigate age-related health issues and improve overall well-being for those aged 50 to 80, as 33% have all three conditions and 80% have at least one.

      As we age, it's essential to prioritize maintaining muscle mass, bone density, and avoiding excessive body fat to ensure optimal health and functionality. Sarcopenia, the loss of muscle mass, can occur in as little as 10 days, leading to a decrease in ability to function. Osteopenia, the softening of bones, can follow, making falls potentially life-altering due to increased risk of fractures. The metabolic system slows down with age, leading to potential weight gain and obesity. Combined, these conditions affect a significant portion of the 50 to 80-year-old population, with approximately 33% having all three and 80% having at least one. By focusing on training for life, we can mitigate these age-related issues and improve overall well-being.

    • Addressing aging concerns with high-intensity resistance trainingHigh-intensity resistance training with external load strengthens bones, builds muscle, and aids in weight loss, addressing concerns of bone density loss, muscle mass decline, and obesity as we age.

      As we age, focusing on high-intensity resistance training with external load can address the concerns of bone density loss, muscle mass decline, and obesity in a holistic way. This style of training, which can be done using various equipment like kettlebells, helps strengthen bones, build muscle, and aid in weight loss. By challenging the body with external load, we can counteract the effects of aging and improve overall health. It's essential to remember that moving only our body weight can lead to muscular endurance but not significant bone density gains. Despite some misconceptions from the medical field, incorporating resistance training into our routines is crucial for maintaining functionality and independence as we age.

    • Addressing the 'big three' health issues with muscle strength and massFocusing on muscle strength and mass through resistance training can prevent age-related health issues like sarcopenia, obesity, and osteoporosis. The 'Train for Life' program offers accessible and professional guidance for older adults or those with orthopedic issues to prioritize strength training.

      Addressing the "big three" health issues – sarcopenia, obesity, and osteoporosis – requires focusing on muscle strength and mass through resistance training. The fear of starting a new fitness routine, especially for older adults or those with orthopedic issues, is valid. To help, Robert and his wife created the "Train for Life" program, an exclusive older adult training program with affordable and accessible equipment and professional guidance. This is crucial because losing muscle mass (sarcopenia) can lead to a vicious cycle of metabolic dysfunction, obesity, and further bone loss. The majority of Americans are metabolically unhealthy, and this issue has likely worsened due to the pandemic and gym closures. By prioritizing strength training, we can improve overall quality of life, mental and emotional connections, and prevent age-related health issues.

    • Transforming health through strength training and nutritionIncorporating strength training and healthy eating habits can help combat weight gain, metabolic damage, and diabetes. Start with small changes like adding weight to walks or lifting weights for 20 minutes every other day, and trust your instincts for healthy food choices.

      Focusing on building muscle through strength training and making healthy food choices can help combat the issues of metabolic damage, chronic weight gain, and diabetes, especially in children. The speaker shared a personal story of a woman who transformed her health and body through weightlifting and eating well, after initially being overwhelmed by the idea of calorie counting. The speaker emphasized the importance of adding strength training to your routine, even if it's just 20 minutes every other day, and suggested starting with a simple weighted vest or backpack for walks to increase caloric burn. The speaker also advised against focusing too much on calorie restriction and instead trusting your instincts to guide you towards healthy food choices. By prioritizing muscle gain and healthy eating, the speaker believes we can improve our overall health and well-being.

    • Gradual changes towards healthier eating lead to improvementsMaking small, gradual changes towards consuming more whole, plant-based foods and reducing processed items can lead to significant physical, emotional, and cognitive improvements. It's not about eliminating unhealthy foods completely but rather making healthier choices most of the time and allowing for occasional indulgences.

      Making small, gradual changes towards consuming more whole, plant-based foods and reducing processed items can lead to significant physical, emotional, and cognitive improvements. It's not about eliminating unhealthy foods completely but rather making healthier choices most of the time and allowing for occasional indulgences. Additionally, living in the moment and enjoying life while being mindful of health is essential. The speaker emphasizes the importance of not taking retirement or good health for granted and encourages making healthier choices to feel better overall. The mindset of having a few days of indulgence followed by a period of healthier eating can help break unhealthy habits. Ultimately, the goal is to find a balance between enjoying life and making healthier choices for overall well-being.

    • Unhealthy habits can have significant negative impacts on our health over timeConsistently avoiding healthy habits can lead to negative health consequences, emphasizing the importance of striking a balance and building strength and resilience through healthy choices.

      Even small, consistent unhealthy habits can have significant negative impacts on our health over time. This was shared through personal experiences with alcohol consumption and cancer. The speaker recognized the harm but didn't realize the extent until she stopped the habit and saw improvements in her health. Similarly, her mentor's strength training advice helped him survive cancer longer due to his increased muscle mass. It's essential to strike a balance and have more good days than bad, avoiding the "slow drip poison" of constant unhealthy habits. This applies to various aspects of life, including diet, exercise, and mental wellbeing. Ultimately, building strength and resilience through healthy habits can significantly improve our chances of overcoming challenges and living a longer, healthier life.

    • Maintaining fitness after lung cancer surgerySimple tests like grip strength and calf circumference can predict health issues and improve recovery after lung cancer surgery

      Even after undergoing a severe surgery like lung cancer resection, which involved removing a significant portion of the lung and dealing with the aftermath of the procedure for years, maintaining physical fitness through training and regular activity can make a significant difference in recovery and overall health. The discussion also highlighted the importance of simple and non-complex tests, such as grip strength and calf circumference measurements, in predicting health issues like sarcopenia and potential health risks with a high degree of accuracy. These tests can be easily administered and provide valuable insights into an individual's health status, making them valuable tools for both healthcare professionals and individuals seeking to maintain their well-being.

    • The Importance of Grip Strength for Longevity and Well-BeingGrip strength is crucial for overall well-being, saving lives in unexpected situations, and helping loved ones and the community.

      Having good grip strength is essential for longevity and overall well-being. This simple yet crucial aspect of fitness can be easily assessed with the help of a fitness professional. The importance of grip strength goes beyond just pulling oneself up on a bar; it could potentially save lives in various situations. Studies have shown this connection since the 1980s, but many people still disregard it. For instance, grip strength can help you climb away from danger or lift someone in need. As a single mom, the speaker emphasizes the importance of being strong enough to help her loved ones and her community. A funny yet poignant anecdote she shared was about falling into a hidden pit at a concert and how her grip strength saved her from serious injury. Overall, grip strength training is not just about aesthetics or vanity; it's about being prepared for the unexpected and being able to help those around us.

    • Importance of physical fitness and strength trainingStaying fit and strong can prevent serious injuries and improve ability to handle unexpected situations as we age.

      Prioritizing physical fitness and strength training can be a matter of life and death. The speaker shared an experience where she nearly fell and could have seriously injured herself, but due to her training, she was able to avoid a potentially devastating outcome. She also reflected on other situations where being in good shape would have made a significant difference. A study mentioned in the conversation revealed that a large percentage of older adults were unable to pick up a light weight or reach down to pick it up, highlighting the importance of maintaining physical ability as we age. Ultimately, the speaker emphasized the importance of being prepared for unexpected situations and the role that fitness plays in ensuring we are able to handle them.

    • Embrace the power of exercise to maintain independence and enhance quality of lifeNever too late to prioritize fitness, regular exercise improves strength, flexibility, and mental clarity, leads to independence and better quality of life

      It's never too late to prioritize physical fitness and improve your functional abilities to maintain independence and enhance your quality of life. The "use it or lose it" principle applies to all aspects of movement and mobility. Neglecting these fundamental skills can lead to a decline in mobility, increased reliance on assistive devices, and a lower overall quality of life. By committing to regular exercise, even if it's just 20 minutes every other day for a few weeks, you can experience improvements in strength, flexibility, and mental clarity. These small steps can lead to significant progress, such as no longer needing a cane or being able to carry heavy items with ease. So, regardless of your age or current fitness level, it's essential to embrace the power of exercise and commit to making it a part of your daily routine.

    • Maintaining Muscle Mass through Resistance TrainingResistance training is vital for older adults to improve quality of life, prevent injuries, and reduce risk of frailty, essential for long-term health and well-being.

      Building muscle mass through resistance training is essential for maintaining strength, bone integrity, and overall health, especially as we age. The sooner you start, the better, as muscle memory and central nervous system development are key factors. Frailty, a common risk factor for various illnesses and diseases including COVID-19, can be mitigated through muscle mass. The industry's perception of resistance training for older adults has evolved slowly, but it's crucial to understand that the benefits are significant. Older adults can and should engage in resistance training to improve their quality of life, prevent injuries, and reduce the risk of frailty. It's an investment in long-term health and well-being.

    • Breaking down stigmas around resistance trainingProper resistance training is essential for all ages to maintain bone density, muscle mass, and overall health

      Education is crucial in breaking down the stigmas surrounding resistance training, especially for older populations and younger generations. Fear of injury and misconceptions about the tools used in resistance training can prevent individuals from reaping the benefits. Resistance training is not only for older populations, but also essential for younger generations to maintain bone density and muscle mass. It's important to understand that proper technique and age-appropriate resistance training can lead to significant improvements in overall health and wellness. Whether it's through classes, gyms, or at home, incorporating resistance training into a routine, regardless of age, is a simple yet effective way to improve physical health.

    • The Importance of Strength Training for Overall HealthStrength training boosts anti-inflammatory effects and hormonal benefits, making it a crucial component of overall health. Prioritize it as part of your health regimen and consider muscle mass a vital sign. Hire a qualified coach for safety and proper technique.

      Strength training is a crucial component of overall health and wellness, yet it is often overlooked and underappreciated by both the medical community and individuals. According to Dr. Robert Lingle, a physician and strength training advocate, there are numerous benefits to having a strong body, including anti-inflammatory effects and hormonal benefits. Dr. Lingle believes that muscle mass should be considered a vital sign and encourages everyone to prioritize strength training as part of their health regimen. He emphasizes the importance of hiring a qualified coach or trainer to ensure proper technique and safety, especially for older adults. To learn more about strength training for the aging body, visit TrainingTheOlderAdult.com or follow Dr. Lingle on Instagram, Facebook, or YouTube.

    • Don't Give Up, Seek Help and Keep GoingEmbrace progress, find support, and remember you're not alone - even small efforts lead to big accomplishments

      No matter where you are in your journey, you have the power to make progress and improve. The speakers on this podcast emphasized the importance of not giving up and seeking help when needed. They emphasized that even a small effort can lead to significant progress and a sense of accomplishment. The speakers also highlighted the value of community and the importance of supporting each other in our individual growth. They encouraged listeners to keep pushing forward and to remember that they are not alone. The speakers also emphasized the importance of finding a coach or mentor to help guide and support you on your journey. And finally, they reminded us that it's never too late to start and that every step counts. So, keep going, keep learning, and keep growing!

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    Debra Hotaling (00:04):

    Hello and welcome to the Dareful Project. I'm Debra Hotaling. We are talking today with Ageist Founder David Stewart, about a subject that I have had with all of my friends, and that is where do we live? Do we stay in our home? Do we downsize? Do we move to Europe or closer to the kids or chuck it all and get an RV and live off the grid and go explore the country? I don't know, every day it's a different solution and we're all talking about it. And then I read David's lovely essay in Ageist’s weekly newsletter, which if you don't already, please sign up for it. It's brilliant. And the essay starts, my current situation is one of accidental transience. That's brilliant. And the whole essay is lovely, and David is going to tell us more. David, welcome.

    David Stewart (00:57):

    Thank you. It's great to be here, Debra.

    Debra (00:59):

    So how did you get where you are physically and spiritually? I guess there's so many layers to this.

    David (01:09):

    And they changed daily. So my accidental transient happened in March of Covid. So what happened was we were living, we had a loft in downtown Los Angeles in the Arts district. It was on the 10th floor. So we required taking an elevator, and I think it was about the middle of February. We have a good friend who works in high level medical community here for Intermountain Health. And she called us and she said, listen, this Covid thing, this is a real issue and you're going to have to think about leaving soon. And I said, oh, alright. She says, you've probably got about a month. Well, I think it was maybe two weeks later, she called me on a Wednesday and she says, you've got till the end of the week you need to leave. And I said, okay. And at this point, we were sort of living life in a hazmat suit because nobody knew what was going.

    (02:09):

    It was super scary. You had this potentially fatal, unknown airborne pathogen. You got an elevator, which putting those two things together, that doesn't sound like a good idea. And then we were going to the grocery store and masks and gloves and taking our Clorox and our vegetables. Nobody knew what was going on other than a lot of people were dying. And so my friend said, listen, they're going to shut things down. You need to leave. So I said, okay. And she lived here and she's married to my best friend who also lives here. And they had shut essentially the entire town of Park City down. There was no one here. And so we were able to rent a really lovely condo on the mountain for basically the utilities because there was no one here. And so when we arrived here, it was super freaky Debra.

    (03:04):

    It was like something out of a Stephen King plague movie. There were just no humans. There may be 10,000 units of housing in the area that I live. And once a week we'd see a light, we'd go, oh, there's a human over there where you'd see a car. It was just bizarre. And we stayed here, and then a few people sort of came back. And then what happened was we thought, well, this is actually really nice. Maybe we should think about this. And we became architecturally obsessed with a particular development of condos that were built in 1982. And we just thought, oh, these are so cool. And we sold our loft after the race riots. Remember that downtown la after that calmed down, we sold our loft and we were like, well, we're just going to wait for one of these to come out of the market.

    (03:58):

    And one did. And what happened was the poor people who sold it hired a dumb, dumb realtor who didn't put it on the park city MLS. They put it on the Salt Lake City, MLS. Nobody knew about it. And our realtor did. And he came in the market, he was like, full price here, now buy it. And he was like, well, I think you're overpaying by about $3,000 and we don't care. Just buy it. And so it's worth more than double that today. So it was like the deal of a lifetime. We spent a year rehabbing it. And so we were here, but it wasn't really an intentional thing. We just sort of were here. And then during Covid it was okay because nobody was traveling anywhere and everything was Zoom and it was super weird. But that's sort of changing. So last year, I think I skied 110 days last year, which is crazy.

    (05:02):

    But my current state of mind on this has changed. And I think I just want a lot, Debra. I just want a lot and I want living in the mountains and I want to be able to ski and I want to be around the animals. And it's so beautiful here. But on the other hand, this is, I'm going to sound like a bad mean person, but this is essentially a large retirement village. And people come here, they've made some money, they've come here and they sort of check out. They're not interested in building, creating, collaborating, making impact in the world. They've either already done that or they're never interested in that, or they just sort of want to be here and enjoy all the amazing outdoor stuff. And I realized, I was just in Los Angeles last week and I was around some really switched on people and I'm thinking, these are my people. I need to be around more of this. And I read you a quote that a friend of mine told me said, wow, I feel like Park City is a retirement village. This is like, I just made this discovery. And he was like, he says it's a retirement village. For those who made money in a professional sinkhole for those who fell for the idea they could continue to grow here. That's correct.

    Debra (06:26):

    Yikes.

    David (06:27):

    Yikes. So yeah, I know. Harsh, but correct. And I think that this, when thinking about where to live, you sort of want to think about what do you want? And when I lived in Manhattan for about 25 years and every weekend I was just fantasizing about how can I get out of here? Where can I go? I'm going to go to Hawaii this weekend. I'm going to go wherever because you can't, at least I couldn't do that. I was living on Canal Street. It was mental. And you just can't take that kind of intensity all the time when you get away. But then it's sort of this balance of if you want to have impact in the world, if you want to create something, you want to help people, you want to build something, you need people around you to be bouncing off ideas with, to inspire you, to inspire them to get new ideas. That's hard in place like this.

    Debra (07:28):

    And that's been the biggest argument I've heard for why Silicon Valley works. It's not tech big “T”, it's just that they're really interesting people and you meet them in coffee houses or you overhear conversations or whatever that spark happens, right?

    David (07:45):

    That's right. That's real. And as much as I would like to poo p that just being in Manhattan and just walking around, just riding a subway, you can't help but not have that impact you, that things are different. I mean, so what's going on in the Middle East right now? I live in what is live in Utah, which is essentially a democratic socialist theocracy. It's run by the Mormon church and they're for the most part benevolent and it's fine. But that whole sort of thing that's being played out in the Middle East is also being played out in not combat way, but in places like New York or Los Angeles, other big cities, that stuff is going to be like front and center. It does not exist here. Zero. There's no, the only way I even know about it is I read about it or I talk to my friends in cities and they're like, wow, this is getting really weird here. I don't feel good here. But you don't get that here. So that's sort of the upside of being here. But there's also the flip of that, right? So I think you mentioned this idea of living in an rv.

    (09:14):

    The people I know who've done that, it's like, okay, after about month three they're like, can we sell this thing? What can we get for it?

    Debra (09:27):

    Exactly. But I find that with everybody. I had a friend who needed to go to Hawaii, loved it, whole life, saving up for it, and then actually moved to Maui. And after about a year went, I can't do this anymore. It's whatever. It's too far away, it's whatever. So I wonder at some point, is it just our brains just, we always want the thing we can't have? How do we figure out comfort and freedom and having things but not being tied down to things? Help me out, David, what do we do?

    David (10:02):

    Well, I don't think you figure it out. I think that your friend who went to Maui, who leaves Maui, will probably be grateful for the rest of their lives. They spent a year in Maui, they did this thing and it was like an awesome thing. But then it's done, right? It's like you have an itch, you scratch it. It doesn't itch anymore. Okay, great. I spent a year living in Paris. Would I do that again? No. Am I grateful that I did it? Yeah. Do I want to live full-time in another country again? No way. It's too hard. I have too many other things that I would rather do than that. And I think that one of the revelations I had this year, Debra, is that home is where your stuff is. Home is not where your family is. Home is not like all that stuff. No, no. It's where your stuff is. And stuff is important. And I think that we're in a time where people are experiences, not things count. Things are expressions of ourselves. Things give us comfort. People give us comfort. But it's also really nice to, I have my books, my art and everything. They've been packed up for four years because we've got this nutty vacation rental lifestyle that we live.

    Debra (11:16):

    Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that I'm hearing you say that because you've been living without, those things have been in storage.

    David (11:22):

    It sucks. What can I say? It's not the way I would choose to be, it's just for financial reasons. We rent this place in the winter because we live steps from a ski lift. So that just makes sense. But I have to read a lot, and this is a lot of people send me, I'm in a position where people send me stuff all the time to tests and see if it works. And it's nice to have a place for that. It's nice to look at a wall and have all these books and be like, oh yeah, that book, oh, I remember what that guy said. Oh yeah, that was really interesting. If I don't have that physical thing, I've been trying to use a Kindle and Kindle's really nice because you can, there's a lot of information in it and I think it has a place. But I think the physical things, there's value to this. And I think that I don't want the purpose of my life to be the custodian of my things either. I don't want. But on the other hand, seeing these things, having them around, there's value in that. It's not nothing.

    Debra (12:44):

    This is fascinating. I did not know our conversation was going to go this way. I thought you were going to totally Marie Kondo on me here. I thought that we were just going to be living light with our little backpack and lighting out.

    David (12:55):

    I mean, that works for some people. I think that editing is a good idea. Absolutely. I have in my closet now, I've got maybe four pairs of jeans and I've got maybe a dozen and three or four workout outfits and probably a lot more sneakers than I need. That's down. It's about, I dunno, a quarter of what I used to have. I don't really need the other things. What I find is certain things become a distraction. I find having too many clothes is a distraction for me that I look in there and it's like, now it's like, well, what do I need to wear today? Oh, I've got to hunt through these five things to find this other thing. So that becomes a time to bring on misconduct, get rid of the crap that's a distraction and irritation and annoyance that's in your way, that's sort of cluttering things up. Get rid of that stuff. But the other stuff, I like to wear nice things. I like to have to have my art. I like to have my books.

    (14:14):

    I don't want to get rid of all these things. They bring value to my life. But here I'm going to tell you another story. You can give me some advice on this because I'm trying to figure this out. 15 years ago, I opened, rented a storage container in Oxnard, California. Why Oxnard? Because I was living in Los Angeles and Oxnard is cooler because it's closer to the ocean. So you don't need a climate controlled thing. It doesn't get super hot there. And it was cheaper and we were sort of moving some stuff and I was transitioning out of being a photographer. So I have in there basically 35 years worth of negatives and prints and stuff that I originally was paying $80 a month for and is now 15 years later, $180 a month. And I was just there last weekend. It's one of the reasons I was in Los Angeles to sort of see what's in there, what am I going to do with it? And I thought, should I, I don't feel like I could throw it out.

    Debra (15:12):

    No, no, you can't do that.

    David (15:14):

    But I don't know what to do with it. So I just was just sort of paralyzed and I was like, well, okay, nice to know it's here. I'm going to leave now as far as I got, I couldn't figure out what the next course of action. I have nothing useful to do with any of it. But on the other hand, I just couldn't bring myself to just call it the dumpster. That just also didn't seem right. So I did nothing.

    Debra (15:44):

    You did. And how did you feel when you left? Was it okay to do nothing?

    David (15:49):

    Well, I felt a certain sort of satisfaction knowing what was in there and understanding if I want to move it out, okay, this is the volume of vehicle, I need to do this. But then I thought if I move it out, where does it go? I know place to put it, so I guess I'll just leave it here. I can't think of anything else to do with it. So I know that's a case of stuff owning me, but I have to just sort of make peace with that unless I'm willing to just get rid of it.

    Debra (16:23):

    Just sort of hurts my heart though. Could you give it though, to a university or someone or the Getty or something? Photography.

    David (16:32):

    I'm not that famous.

    Debra (16:36):

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    Right? That's sort of the next thing. So it's like, okay, at some point I'm probably, chances are I'm going to die. Survey says we die at some point. And so then there's this thing there. Is anyone going to be interested in what's in there? Maybe for a second. But then it's like they're going to be like, well, what are we going to do with this stuff? We have to, it's not in perpetuity. This mausoleum of David's photos and negatives lives on that doesn't make any sense.

    Debra (17:53):

    But as long as you're not doing DRE figurines or something, I think you could have someone, right?

    David (18:01):

    It's very well organized too. It's not like some crazy hoarder thing. And there's just boxes with labels and they're very nicely stacked. And if I wanted to find something in there and bring in a box cutter, I could find it. But

    Debra (18:15):

    Are you surprised that you're feeling this way now? If you could have interviewed four year back self, would you have known how you sort of netted out on where you're living and things?

    David (18:30):

    No, I wouldn't have the living thing. I thought when we came out here, I thought, oh my God, this is amazing. I can live out here and I can do my work. And there's Zoom and there's what we're doing right now. This is fantastic. But that's where I was then. And now that I've done this and I don't see myself ever never wanting to engage with nature the way that I do, but it's not, I've come to the realization that you need these other people around and these other people are not here. They're in other places. And so I need to spend more time in these other places so that I can be around these other people.

    Debra (19:27):

    And you bring up a good point that makes this even more interesting and complex is that we have to, when we're making decisions, at least when I'm making decisions about this, I'm thinking here I am now 65, healthy, got a lot of interesting stuff going on, but there's going to be a point where I might be differently abled. There might be other stuff going on. And so do I plan for that future as well? Or do I just bail on where I live and move somewhere else? It feels like a three-dimensional chess board.

    David (20:03):

    It's dynamic. So I think that I read this interesting article in the Wall Street Journal a couple of years ago about another one of my favorite delusions. The Forever Home.

    Debra (20:15):

    Yeah, yeah, let's talk about that.

    David (20:18):

    What people do is they'll come to a place like this and they get a piece of land and they're like, okay, we're going to build our forever home. And this becomes an all-encompassing activity for 2, 3, 4 years. And they build their thing and they're in it for a year. They sell it that we often think that we can project a place where we want to be. And I think some people can do that. I think some people do do that. I think some people live in the same house town their entire lives. But for a lot of us that doesn't work. And we come at it from the experience that we have from where we're at right now and trying to project that into the future. And we do the best we can. But where we are five or six years down the road or 10 years down the road, we're in a very different place and the world is in a different place. And so thankfully we have brains. And the nice thing about a brain is we can change our minds and we say, oh, well that was good. I did that. Okay, so now I need to do something else.

    (21:38):

    I think we as humans, I was listening to a guy who joined me on a talk last week talking about, it's like a financial thing. So how people are really bad at predicting their own lifespan and people who are not very healthy predict a shorter lifespan and they actually live much longer than they think they will be. And people who are very healthy over index on that. So they think they're going to live much longer than they actually do because we make these decisions based on where we're at now, and we're thinking like, okay, here I am and my trajectory sort of looks like this. But we very often get it wrong. And I think that's okay. I don't think we just adjust. And I think that's fine.

    Debra (22:28):

    Well, we need to talk about thinking about that. I took Ageist super age quiz and I project that I'm going to live to 95 to 105. David, am I overshooting?

    David (22:43):

    I have no idea. I'm not the oracle of mortality. I wish I was. I'd be incredibly rich, but I'm not. But thank you for taking the quiz. So I'm just going to plug the quiz. Go to ageist.com/quiz. It's the super age quiz, and you'll find out what kind of super age you are. And the point of the quiz is that what we found at ais where we were sort of delivering everybody the same kind of information, and I too am an owl and we, owls are very sort of science data. We love gadgets and we're very deep into that sort of stuff. We tend to be fairly, I guess more disciplined in how we go about things. Nothing, no good points and bad points to that. And the reason we make the quiz is because we realize everyone is different. And so people have different ambitions and different interests, and I spend time science reports. Most people, their eyes would glaze over and they're like, why are you doing that? So what we're doing is by doing this quiz and sort of doing these different animal types, we're able to then send people information that matches up with their interest in their ambitions.

    Debra (24:04):

    That's brilliant. Now how many animals can you be?

    David (24:08):

    Well, we try to keep it really simple because I don't, I think the quiz, I think we timed it out. It's a little under three minutes. It's like 10 questions. So we just did it into three animals. So dolphins, foxes, and owls. And we can maybe further in the future we'll add more animals or sub animals or stuff like that, or combinations of animals. But just at the moment, we just wanted to keep it really simple for people and just say like, Hey, if you are this kind of person, we're going to deliver information to you that fits your view of the world about what you're interested in. And so I think it's just sort of a better way to go.

    Debra (24:51):

    It's brilliant. And we'll make sure that we have all the information in our episode notes and any early learnings. David, from what you've seen so far on the data, because an owl, I have to know,

    David (25:03):

    Of course we thought most people would be dolphins, but all the people who've taken the initial quiz, the majority of people are foxes. And then I think the loo is probably the smallest group. So the Fox is the biggest group. The Dolphin is the next biggest group, and the owl is the smallest group. I think it's a very specific subgroup of people who've taken the quiz so far. So it's only been like a few thousand people I think out in the general population. My guess is there'll be more dolphins, but who knows? Wherever you are, we're happy to have you

    Debra (25:46):

    Just pods of ageist dolphins. It's going to be awesome. So we all want to know what you guys are. So please make sure that you check out ageist, make sure you take the quiz and interested to see what other findings you all have. And also make sure that you sign up for David's absolutely terrific weekly newsletter and all the other goodness that comes with Ageist.

    David (26:11):

    Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great.

    Debra (26:13):

    Thank you so much for talking with me today, David.

    David (26:16):

    Absolutely. It's my pleasure, Debra. You're an inspiration and I'm really glad we know each other and

    Debra (26:22):

    You too. We'll see you in Park City.

    David (26:24):

    Okay, take care.

    Debra (26:26):

    Thanks for listening to the Dareful Project. Please follow, like and leave a review. It really helps. We're on all your favorite platforms, Spotify, apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, iHeartRadio, audible. Tune in Amazon, Stitcher, SoundCloud, and YouTube. And to connect, you can email me at debra@darefulone.com. That's Debra, D-E-B-R-A at Dareful one. That's with the number one.com. Thanks for listening.

     

     

    Resistance training: How to stay strong as you age

    Resistance training: How to stay strong as you age

    Do you feel like your muscles are shrinking or getting weaker? Many people gradually lose muscle mass as they get older. And this leads to an increased risk of falls, osteoporosis, and fractures. 

    When it comes to your muscles, it’s a case of use them or lose them. But what is the most effective way to use our muscles and maintain strength? Ex-bodybuilder and professor of exercise science Brad Schoenfeld tells us how. And it’s easier than you might think!

    In today’s episode of ZOE Science & Nutrition, Jonathan and Brad ask: How can you maintain muscle mass as you age? 

    If you want to uncover the right foods for your body, head to joinzoe.com/podcast and get 10% off your personalized nutrition program.

    Download our FREE guide — Top 10 Tips to Live Healthier: https://zoe.com/freeguide

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    Timecodes:

    00:00 - Introduction 

    1:25 - Quickfire round

    2:38 - How do our muscles work

    3:01 - Why are muscles important for our health

    5:15 - The loss of muscles and how to prevent it

    8:19 - Resistance training - How it builds muscles

    11:24 - Nutrition and muscle growth

    13:01 - How muscle growth changes with age

    17:45 - Resistance training vs Cardio

    20:20 - How to do resistance training

    28:11 - No time to exercise?

    30:28 - What weight to train with

    36:10 - How menopause affects muscle maintenance

    41:13 - Summary and outro

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    Episode transcripts are available here.

    Is there a nutrition topic you’d like us to explore? Email us at podcast@joinzoe.com, and we’ll do our best to cover it.