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    Episode 124 - Timothy Caufield & Tyler Black: HOP Gets Canadian

    enJune 07, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Comparison of US and Canada's COVID-19 responseCanada's response to COVID-19, with better coordination and communication, was generally more effective than the US. However, mistakes were made in certain jurisdictions.

      While both the US and Canada have faced challenges in their responses to the COVID-19 pandemic and the rollout of vaccines, Canada's response has generally been considered more effective due to better coordination and communication. However, mistakes were still made, particularly in jurisdictions like Alberta and Ontario. Mint Mobile's Ryan Reynolds announced a significant price drop for the company's unlimited plan, while Bombas discussed their commitment to donating essentials for those in need with every purchase. In a lighter moment, the podcast welcomed Canadian guests Tyler Black, an emergency psychiatrist and suicidologist, and Timothy Caulfield, a professor of health law and science policy, for a roundtable discussion on the Canadian and US responses to COVID. If given the chance, they all agreed that improved coordination and communication would have been key in addressing the pandemic more effectively.

    • Canada's Universal Healthcare System Mitigates Health Disparities During PandemicCanada's healthcare system provided equal access to healthcare and vaccines, reducing health disparities for marginalized communities. However, challenges in long-term care facilities and vaccine rollout highlighted equity issues.

      During the pandemic, Canada's universal healthcare system has made a significant difference in mitigating health disparities, particularly for marginalized communities. Unlike the United States, Canadians do not have to worry about affording healthcare or vaccines. However, Canada did face challenges in long-term care facilities and vaccine rollout, which exposed equity issues. In contrast to the U.S., there wasn't a passionate civil liberties argument against public health measures like mask-wearing or getting vaccinated, but there is ongoing research on the effective use of ideological language in spreading misinformation in Canada.

    • Polarization in Canada over Masks and VaxxesCanada's reputation for unity is challenged by growing anti-mask, anti-vaxx sentiments, influenced by US discourse on Canadian social media. Trust in institutions varies within the country, with conservative-leaning provinces showing significant vaccine hesitancy.

      The pandemic has led to increased polarization in Canada, with some provinces adopting anti-mask and anti-vaxx sentiments similar to those in the United States. This polarization is driven in part by the influence of American discourse on Canadian social media. Despite Canada's reputation for unity and trust in institutions, there is a significant anti-mask, anti-vaxx movement in the country, particularly in conservative-leaning provinces. The leadership and political climate also play a role in shaping public opinion on these issues. While Canadians generally trust their institutions more than Americans, there are still significant ideological differences and vaccine hesitancy within the country.

    • Countering misinformation: A multi-faceted approachEngage constructively, teach critical thinking, encourage public discussion, and involve regulators and social media platforms to combat misinformation effectively.

      Countering misinformation is essential and effective, but it requires a multi-faceted approach. The evidence shows that engaging with misinformation on social media in a constructive, shareable, and credible way can make a difference. However, it's not enough to just debunk misinformation; we also need to prebunk it by teaching critical thinking, science literacy skills, and encouraging more people to join the public discussion. Regulators and social media platforms must also step up to address the issue. The good news is that the pandemic has led to more people getting involved, and this trend should continue as a positive legacy. Overall, the future requires a collective effort to combat misinformation from every angle, but there is hope that we can make a difference.

    • Addressing vaccine hesitancy and combating misinformationConsistent and clear communication about vaccine benefits and debunking misinformation is crucial as a population-level public health intervention, despite the complex tension between freedom of speech and individual rights.

      Addressing vaccine hesitancy and combating misinformation requires consistent and clear communication about the benefits of vaccines and debunking misinformation. This effort should be viewed as a population-level public health intervention, rather than an individual conversion. The tension between freedom of speech and the harm caused by misinformation is a complex issue, particularly in countries where individual rights are prioritized over collective wellbeing. To help navigate this issue, resources like ScienceUpFirst, which provides a list of credible sources for COVID-19 information, can be valuable tools. While the speaker in this conversation is American, the conversation highlights the importance of considering global perspectives and the need for a collective response to this challenge. The ongoing debate between freedom of speech and the need to regulate misinformation is an interesting tension to watch, particularly as misinformation can have deadly consequences.

    • The Controversy Surrounding EMDR's Eye Movement ComponentEMDR's therapeutic value comes from desensitization and reprocessing, not the eye movements. Other forms of bilateral stimulation are just as effective.

      EMDR, or Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing, is a form of psychotherapy used to treat trauma. While it has been found helpful by some, the controversy surrounding it comes from the integration of the eye movement component, which was based on a misinterpretation of neuroanatomy and neurofunction when it was developed. Studies have shown that other forms of bilateral stimulation, such as tapping hands or clicking tongues, are just as effective as eye movements. Despite this, the creators of EMDR continue to require additional certification and training for therapists to use the eye movement technique, leading to unnecessary costs and potential acceptance of information without critical evaluation. The real therapeutic value of EMDR comes from the desensitization and reprocessing aspects, not the eye movements.

    • Branded therapies and pseudoscience in mental healthBranded therapies, like EMDR, need scrutiny and transparency to prevent misinformation and promote evidence-based practices. Critical stance and open dialogue are essential for advancing mental health treatments and improving overall well-being.

      The use of branded, pseudoscientific therapies, such as Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) without proper scrutiny and transparency, can lead to the spread of misinformation and hinder the progress of evidence-based practices. This discussion highlighted concerns about EMDR being a distraction or even a cover-up for other therapeutic methods, and the potential financial motivations behind creating branded therapies. It's crucial to maintain a critical stance and encourage open dialogue about these practices to ensure that people receive effective and evidence-based care. The recent pandemic has shown us the importance of questioning pseudoscience and valuing scientific evidence. By fostering a culture of skepticism and transparency, we can make significant strides in advancing mental health treatments and improving overall well-being.

    • Personal preference and trust matter most in therapyTrust and good relationship with therapist are more important than specific therapy or tool, remember if one doesn't work, try another approach

      The effectiveness of different therapies and exercises often depends more on personal preference and trust in the practitioner, rather than the specific technique or tool used. The latest trend or fad may not always be the best fit for everyone. In the case of EMDR, trust and a good therapeutic relationship are more important than any particular skill or technique. Additionally, suicide rates decreased by 5.6% in 2020, according to preliminary data from the CDC. It's important to remember that if one therapy or approach doesn't work, it doesn't mean the person is resistant or flawed, but rather that they may benefit from trying something else. In the world of therapy and self-improvement, it's essential to ignore the noise and focus on what works best for the individual.

    • Politicization of Suicides During PandemicDespite decreasing suicides in 2019, some individuals used the increase during the pandemic as a justification against lockdowns, leading to a moral panic in the media, oversimplifying the complex phenomenon.

      The topic of suicides during the pandemic and resulting lockdowns became politicized in 2020, with some individuals using the increase in suicides as justification against lockdown measures without scientific evidence. These individuals often held a particular ideological leaning and used suicides as one of many arguments against lockdowns. The belief that suicides were increasing became a moral panic in the media, despite data showing that suicides had actually decreased in 2019. This politicization of suicides was frustrating for professionals in the field, as it oversimplified a complex social and cultural phenomenon that would take years to fully understand.

    • Contradicting the pandemic suicide narrativeData from 2019 and 2020 shows suicides decreased in many countries, challenging the common belief they increased during the pandemic. It's essential to be accurate, transparent, and support public health interventions when discussing suicide statistics.

      Despite the widespread belief that suicides increased during the pandemic, data from 2019 and 2020 shows that they actually decreased in many countries, including the United States. This contradicts the narrative pushed by some media outlets and politicians. It's important to be explicit about the sources of data and avoid jumping to conclusions based on assumptions. Furthermore, it's disingenuous for individuals to use suicide statistics to further their political agendas without also supporting public health interventions and funding for mental health programs. In short, it's crucial to approach these discussions with accuracy, transparency, and a commitment to helping those in need. The Science Up First movement is an international effort to promote credible science on social media platforms. It's a positive and shareable movement that aims to combat misinformation and follow evidence-based approaches. You can join by following the hashtag #scienceupfirst on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and soon on TikTok. Tyler can be found on Twitter at @TylerBlack32, and [Speaker's Name] can be found on [their social media platform of choice]. Don't forget to follow them for more insightful discussions and updates on the latest research.

    • Emergency Psychiatry and Suicide During the PandemicDuring the pandemic, suicide presentations to emergency departments have risen, and it's crucial to separate fact from fiction. Look out for upcoming articles from Dr. X on the topic, and consider reading Tim's book for effective science communication skills.

      During the pandemic, there has been a significant increase in suicide presentations to emergency departments, and this issue is particularly relevant for Canadians where there is a lot of misinformation circulating. Dr. X, who works at a major children's hospital and specializes in emergency psychiatry, is planning to release articles on this topic soon, providing clinical context and clear data. Tim, another guest, has written a science communication book, "Going with Culture Wrong About Everything," which is highly recommended for anyone interested in effective science communication. Dr. X also mentioned her book, "Relax, Damn It," which has different titles in different countries. Lastly, UScellular encourages people to put down their phones for 5 minutes to reevaluate their relationship with technology. While the podcast provides valuable information, it is important to remember that it should not replace professional medical advice.

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