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    Episode 36: ADHD and External Stigma

    enJuly 11, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Impactful podcast reaches top ranks and helps listenersThe authentic and emotionally resonant podcast reached global success, helping a listener with ADHD and inspiring future episodes.

      The podcast, despite the hosts' self-deprecating humor, has made a significant impact on listeners. They have reached the top 200 global health and fitness podcasts and top 20 in the UK for mental health podcasts. A listener even shared that the podcast helped them through their ADHD diagnosis. The hosts aim to explore the topic of professionals with ADHD and higher IQ in future episodes. They also received a suggestion for an episode titled "From the Safari Park to a PhD." The podcast now has listeners in 108 countries, a number that coincidentally matches the number of times one host's wife was asked out before she said yes. Overall, the podcast's authenticity and coverage of emotions resonate with listeners, making a difference in their lives.

    • Understanding the impact of stigma on individuals with ADHDStigma around ADHD can lead to lower self-esteem and feelings of not fitting in, originating from the Greek and Latin words for 'mark' or 'brand'.

      Stigma around ADHD can lead to individuals feeling marked or branded with shame, resulting in lower self-esteem. This stigma goes beyond stereotyping and prejudice, affecting how individuals with ADHD see themselves and how they are perceived by others. The origins of the term "stigma" come from the Greek and Latin words for "mark" or "brand." Adults with ADHD often face challenges growing up in a society not designed for neurodivergent individuals, leading to feelings of not fitting in. To help understand this further, we'll delve deeper into the topic in upcoming episodes, providing evidence-based psychoeducation and sharing personal reflections. Remember, everyone deserves respect and understanding, regardless of their neurodivergent status.

    • Forms of ADHD stigma: public, courtesy, and selfStigma in various forms, including public, courtesy, and self, can significantly impact individuals with ADHD, affecting their treatment, well-being, and overall quality of life. It's essential to raise awareness and challenge these negative perceptions to create a more inclusive and supportive environment.

      ADHD, a neurological condition, is often met with stigma in various forms: public, courtesy, and self. Public stigma refers to the negative perception of ADHD in society, with adults expressing reluctance to have children with ADHD as neighbors or friends. Courtesy stigma, or stigma by association, affects those close to individuals with ADHD, such as their mothers. Self-stigma, or internalized stigma, can lead to feelings of alienation and negative self-perception among individuals with ADHD, which can persist into adulthood. These forms of stigma can significantly impact the lives of those with ADHD, affecting treatment adherence, effectiveness, symptom aggravation, life satisfaction, and mental well-being. It's crucial to raise awareness and challenge these negative perceptions to create a more inclusive and supportive environment for individuals with ADHD.

    • Comparing ADHD experiences to common issues trivialize itRecognize and respect the unique experiences of individuals with ADHD, as comparisons and trivialized responses can perpetuate stigma and misunderstanding.

      Adults with ADHD face external stigma that can be frustrating and diminishing. This stigma often comes in the form of people trivializing ADHD experiences by comparing them to common issues or implying that everyone has it to some extent. However, ADHD is an extreme on the mental continuum, and not everyone experiences it in the same way or to the same degree. These comparisons and trivialized responses can perpetuate the stigma and make those with ADHD feel misunderstood. It's important to recognize and respect the unique experiences of individuals with ADHD. Additionally, it's important to acknowledge the history of ADHD and recognize that it's not a new discovery, but rather a better understanding of a condition that has existed for centuries.

    • Stigma impacting individuals with ADHDStigma surrounding ADHD can negatively affect individuals in their personal and professional relationships, leading to misunderstandings, frustration, and a negative perception of the condition.

      Stigma surrounding ADHD can significantly impact individuals with the condition in various aspects of their lives, including their professional and personal relationships. Outdated information and misconceptions about ADHD can lead to diminished responses from employers and others, making people with ADHD feel undervalued and diminished. Additionally, the unwillingness or inability of some people to accept and accommodate the unique needs of individuals with ADHD can result in frustration and further stigma. The public stigma, fueled by jokes and stereotypes, can also contribute to a negative perception of ADHD and make it difficult for those diagnosed to feel understood and accepted. It's crucial to challenge these stigmas and promote awareness and understanding of ADHD to create a more inclusive and supportive environment for all.

    • Impact of societal stigma on individuals with mental health diagnosesSocietal stigma can significantly impact individuals with mental health diagnoses, leading to long waiting lists for treatment, lack of proper resources, and fear of judgment. It's crucial to destigmatize mental health diagnoses and improve access to treatment and resources.

      The stigma surrounding mental health diagnoses, such as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), can significantly impact individuals' personal and professional lives. The speaker shared their experience of facing discrimination and lack of proper treatment despite meeting diagnostic criteria. They mentioned the long waiting lists for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) sessions and the low percentage of people with ADHD receiving medication in the UK. The speaker also discussed the societal stigma attached to mental health diagnoses, which can lead to people hiding their conditions due to fear of judgment from employers or others. The speaker's own experience included being advised to meditate instead of taking medication and facing skepticism from healthcare professionals. The speaker also acknowledged that their experience was relatively mild compared to others, particularly women and people of color. The speaker's network was also affected by the stigma, with their spouse often having to explain their profession due to the association with ADHD. The speaker's attitude of not giving a shit about the stigma came from their personal growth and privilege. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of destigmatizing mental health diagnoses and improving access to proper treatment and resources.

    • Identifying emotionally safe individuals to discuss ADHD withFocus on individuals who are likely to understand and support you when discussing ADHD, prepare key points, and prioritize emotional well-being.

      Dealing with external stigma related to ADHD can be challenging, and it's essential to prioritize who to approach with the topic. According to James from the ADHD Adults podcast, the first step is to identify those individuals who are emotionally safe to discuss ADHD with and those who are unlikely to change their perspective. He advises focusing on the former group and preparing key, objective points to communicate effectively. James also emphasizes that ultimately, we cannot control others' reactions, and it's crucial to prioritize our emotional well-being. In the podcast, James shared an example of forgetting his laptop mouse for a meeting and packing a measuring tape instead. Despite the humorous situation, the discussion eventually led to offering valuable advice on managing external stigma.

    • Embrace uniqueness, defy stigmaIndividuals with ADHD should stand up for themselves, refuse societal stigma, educate others, share experiences, and embrace their unique traits.

      Individuals with ADHD, or those who identify with its traits, should not let societal stigma and ignorance define their worth. Both Al and Jeremy emphasized the importance of standing up for oneself and refusing to be defined by others' prejudices. They encouraged education, sharing experiences, and defying the stigma through humor and resilience. Al suggested acknowledging the anger and frustration, but not letting it consume, while Jeremy emphasized the validity of one's experiences and the importance of self-acceptance. Ultimately, they encouraged embracing the unique aspects of ADHD and refusing to let external factors dictate self-worth.

    • Writing a letter to yourself about ADHDWriting a letter to yourself about your ADHD can help improve self-understanding, articulate impacts, educate others, and challenge stigma. Use a nice pen for a more enjoyable experience.

      Writing a letter to yourself about your ADHD can help you better understand and articulate how it manifests and impacts your life. This exercise can also serve as a tool to educate others and challenge the stigma surrounding ADHD. It's important to remember that your feelings towards your ADHD are valid, and you don't need to have everything figured out right now. Additionally, having a nice pen to write with can make the experience even more enjoyable. This practice was discussed on episode 36 of the ADHDOWIC UK podcast, which focused on the external stigma of ADHD. By writing this letter, you can gain a deeper self-awareness and become a more effective advocate for yourself and the ADHD community.

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    How to support your partner after an ADHD diagnosis

    How to support your partner after an ADHD diagnosis

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    Have you recently been diagnosed with ADHD and would like your partner to understand more about the condition and support you on this new path?

    If so, today's guest, Ryan Ridgway, a motivational speaker, trainer and member of Hummingbird, talks about his partner's recent ADHD diagnosis and how it affects their relationship and family life. He opens up about his own mental health struggles and how this has helped him understand what she is also going through. This is the conversation to share if you'd like your partner to understand the daily impact of ADHD and how to help each other through those more difficult days.

    During this week's episode of The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast, Kate and Ryan speak about:

    • Helping your partner through a diagnosis
    • How to be supportive of a loved one with ADHD
    • ADHD misdiagnoses and lack of awareness
    • The stigma of ADHD in mental health
    • Ryan's mental health journey and how he deals with his OCD
    • Being part of a neurodiverse couple
    • How to help an ADHD partner
    • Combining holistic tools with medication
    • Being misunderstood before a diagnosis
    • Reaching a place of presence with ADHD

    To learn more about Ryan, you can connect with him on Instagram: @voice_4_mentalhealth.

    If you find this podcast a helpful resource and you'd like to see it continue to grow with more guests, solo episodes and further information, I'd love it if you could show your appreciation via this gratitude link. As The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast is entirely self-funded and self-produced - it does take a lot of time, effort, love, hard work and money to ensure a well-edited episode comes to you every Thursday. Any support is gratefully received and goes to helping our incredible community become more supported, empowered and educated.

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    Kate Moryoussef is a women’s ADHD Lifestyle & Wellbeing coach and EFT practitioner helping overwhelmed yet unfulfilled ADHD women find more calm, balance, health, compassion, creativity and clarity. 

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