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    Episode 37: ADHD and Internalised Stigma

    enJuly 18, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • James and Alex's Honest Discussions about ADHD Impact ListenersTheir candid conversations about daily struggles with ADHD on the ADHD Adults Podcast have made a positive impact on listeners in over 108 countries, providing a platform for open conversation and support.

      Despite the unprofessional banter and occasional disagreements between James and Alex on the ADHD Adults Podcast, their open and candid discussions about their daily struggles with ADHD have made a positive impact on their listeners. A listener named Carol even shared how their honesty and humor helped her in her own ADHD acceptance. The podcast, which is listened to in over 108 countries, has a dedicated following, with messages like "Alex, you're a legend" being a testament to their influence. While James may have had his moments of anger and frustration, the podcast continues to provide a platform for open conversation and support for adults with ADHD.

    • The Harm of Internalized Stigma for Individuals with ADHDInternalized stigma can lead to decreased self-esteem, self-confidence, and self-worth for individuals with ADHD. Young adults are particularly affected by external bullying and negativity, which can result in internalized stigma and distress. To combat self-stigma, focus on accurate information, resources, self-compassion, and self-acceptance.

      Internalized stigma, or self-stigma, can be even more harmful for individuals with ADHD than external stigma. Self-stigma occurs when we believe and internalize negative stereotypes about ADHD, leading to decreased self-esteem, self-confidence, and self-worth. Research suggests that young adults, in particular, are affected by external bullying and negativity, which can lead to internalized stigma and distress. To combat self-stigma, it's essential to listen to and engage with the ADHD community, but also to do the opposite of what we're told. Instead of believing the negative stereotypes, we should focus on seeking out accurate information and resources, and practicing self-compassion and self-acceptance. By recognizing and challenging our internalized stigma, we can begin to break free from the negative self-talk and build a stronger sense of self-worth.

    • Addressing Internalized Stigma through Evidence-Based TherapiesInternalized stigma, caused by the internalization of external stigma, can negatively impact mental health. Seeking professional help, like CBT therapy, can effectively address this issue. Remember, self-stigma arises from external stigma, and everyone deserves validation and understanding.

      Internalized stigma, which can significantly impact mental health, may be effectively addressed through evidence-based therapies like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). This is particularly relevant for individuals with low self-esteem, who often give more weight to the opinions of others over their own valid thoughts and experiences. The root cause of self-stigma and external stigma is the same, and both require attention and different approaches. It's essential to remember that self-stigma arises from the internalization of external stigma and that everyone deserves validation and understanding. The discussion also highlighted the importance of seeking professional help, such as a therapist, to navigate the complexities of mental health and self-stigma. Additionally, it's important to recognize that cultural references and personal experiences can shape our perspectives and understanding of the world around us. In conclusion, internalized stigma is a serious issue that can impact mental health, and seeking professional help, such as CBT therapy, can be an effective way to address it. Remember that self-stigma arises from the internalization of external stigma, and it's essential to validate our own experiences and thoughts while seeking understanding and support from others.

    • Fear of turning into a 'dull robot' prevented man from seeking ADHD diagnosisStigmas and misconceptions about ADHD treatment can hinder individuals from seeking help, emphasizing the importance of education and accurate information.

      Internalized stigmas and misconceptions about ADHD and its treatment can prevent individuals from seeking a diagnosis and receiving the help they need. The speaker in this conversation shared how he believed that taking medication for ADHD would turn him into a "dull robot," despite not fully understanding the benefits and effectiveness of the medication. This belief, rooted in stigma, hindered him from pursuing a diagnosis for several years. It's crucial to challenge and educate ourselves about the facts surrounding ADHD and its treatment to ensure that those who may benefit from a diagnosis and support are not deterred by unfounded fears or misconceptions.

    • Internal stigma and self-criticism in ADHDPeople with ADHD may face internal stigma, leading to harsh self-talk and negative thoughts, even with progress and success. Medication use can also carry stigma. Acknowledging these feelings and practicing self-compassion is essential.

      Individuals with ADHD, including those who have accepted their diagnosis and made progress, still face internal stigma and self-criticism. This can manifest as harsh self-talk and negative thoughts, particularly in new situations or when under pressure. Additionally, there is often stigma attached to the use of medication to manage ADHD symptoms. These internal struggles can be complicated and may surface unexpectedly, even when individuals are generally happy and successful in their personal and professional lives. It's important to acknowledge these feelings and work on self-compassion and acceptance.

    • Living with ADHD: Embracing the RealityRecognize societal expectations and self-doubt can impact those with ADHD, but aligning with strengths and embracing reality can lead to acceptance and success.

      Living with ADHD comes with its own unique challenges, including internalized stigma and self-doubt. The speaker shares her experience of questioning her legitimacy of having ADHD due to societal expectations and her own accomplishments. She acknowledges the importance of recognizing that even those who appear to have their ADHD under control still face struggles. The speaker emphasizes the importance of aligning oneself with what one can do and avoiding situations where self-stigma may be a factor. Ultimately, she encourages embracing the reality of living with ADHD and the importance of understanding that everyone, regardless of their diagnosis, has their own battles to face.

    • The Forgetfulness of ADHD Leads to Unexpected Challenges and ClutterPeople with ADHD may forget items and internalize negative self-talk, leading to unnecessary purchases and clutter. It's important to be kind to ourselves and communicate effectively to manage symptoms.

      Living with ADHD can sometimes lead to unexpected challenges and forgetfulness, as illustrated by the discussion about losing track of items like scissors. This forgetfulness can result in unnecessary purchases and clutter in one's home. Additionally, people with ADHD may internalize stigma and negative self-talk, as demonstrated in the conversation about forgetting important items at the supermarket. It's important to remember that everyone makes mistakes, and having ADHD doesn't make one a "freak" or a "pair of twats." Instead, it's essential to be kind to ourselves and acknowledge the unique challenges we face. Furthermore, the conversation highlighted the importance of communication and support in managing the symptoms of ADHD.

    • Accepting the reality of ADHD and overcoming internalized stigmaRecognize and emotionally accept ADHD traits, challenge negative thoughts, and write a letter to oneself to counteract stigma. Remember, thoughts aren't real.

      Accepting the reality of ADHD and overcoming internalized stigma is crucial for individuals, regardless of whether they have a diagnosis or not. Alex emphasized the importance of emotionally acknowledging one's ADHD traits and recognizing that they are valid. He also suggested writing a letter to oneself as a tool to counteract negative thoughts and stigma. Alex added that thoughts aren't real, and just because we think something doesn't make it true. By acknowledging and challenging these negative thoughts, individuals can work towards accepting and embracing their ADHD.

    • Our internalized stigma and negative thoughts about diagnoses are not realRemember the validity of our diagnoses and the effort put into obtaining them. Monzo Bank stands out as neurodivergent-friendly, offering support for potential overspending or impulse control issues.

      Our internalized stigma and negative thoughts about our diagnoses, such as ADHD, are not real and can be changed. Maria, a friend of a charity, reminded us that these thoughts are not from real people but our own brains. It's common for people to worry they tricked their psychiatrist into giving them a diagnosis, but the evidence and long diagnostic process prove otherwise. It's important to remember the validity of our diagnoses and the effort put into obtaining them. Additionally, Monzo Bank stands out as neurodivergent-friendly, actively asking questions about how ADHD affects individuals and offering support for potential overspending or impulse control issues. This proactive approach sets Monzo apart from other banks.

    • Monzo Bank: A Considerate Option for Individuals with ADHDMonzo Bank, known for its user-friendly design and neurodivergent accommodations, is a top choice for individuals with ADHD seeking a digital banking service.

      Monzo Bank, a digital banking service, stands out as a considerate option for individuals with ADHD due to its user-friendly design and serious approach towards accommodating neurodivergent needs. This was a topic discussed in episode 37 of the ADHD Adults podcast, where the hosts delved into the internalized stigma surrounding ADHD and shared personal experiences. During the conversation, it was mentioned that Monzo was compared to the character of Kermit the Frog, or "the muppets," due to its commitment to accessibility. Despite the common perception that financial institutions may not prioritize neurodivergent individuals, Monzo has made efforts to be inclusive. If you or someone you know has ADHD and is considering a change in banking services, Monzo is worth checking out. For more information or to engage with the ADHD Adults community, follow them on Instagram (@adhdadultuk) or Twitter (@adhdadultuk).

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    ·         Experimenting with different approaches to managing emotions and challenges,

    ·         The importance of self-compassion and being patient with oneself.

    ·         Normalizing challenges and struggles, helping individuals feel less alone.

    ·         Providing practical tips for managing appointments and reminders.

    ·         Modeling empathy and understanding, promoting connection and reducing isolation.

    ·         The conversation offers hope and inspiration to individuals who may be struggling.

    ·         The conversation raises awareness about executive functioning challenges and neurodivergence.

    ·         The speaker encourages individuals to prioritize their mental health and find strategies that work for them.

    ·         The speaker emphasizes the importance of communication and asking for support when needed.

    ·         The conversation touches on the importance of authenticity and mutual care in friendships.

    ·         The speaker encourages individuals to be honest about what they can and can't handle.

    ·         The conversation models self-reflection and encourages individuals to reflect on their own needs and challenges.

    ·         The speaker recognizes that different strategies work for different people and encourages individuals to find what works best for them.

    ·         The conversation emphasizes the importance of being realistic and not overcommitting oneself.

    ·         The speaker encourages individuals to use visual aids and get support when needed.

     

    Here are some strategies that individuals can use to manage their emotions and challenges:

    ·         Identify and name your needs: Recognize what you need to work best and feel supported. This includes understanding your own learning styles, communication preferences, and executive functioning challenges.

    ·         Use different tools and approaches: Consider using a combination of tools and approaches to manage your schedule and tasks. For example, you might use a paper calendar in addition to online tools because you need to visually see your schedule.

    ·         Communicate with others: Talk openly with others about your needs and challenges. Be honest about what you can and can't handle, and ask for support when needed.

    ·         Practice self-compassion: Show empathy and understanding for yourself. Acknowledge that it's okay to struggle with certain things, and be kind to yourself when facing challenges.

    ·         Find strategies that work for you: Experiment with different approaches to find what works best for you. Don't rely on a one-size-fits-all approach, and be open to trying new things.

    ·         Consider your mental health: Recognize that different strategies work for different people, and that some mental health advice may not be applicable to everyone. For example, if you have a very busy mind, a moving meditation might be more helpful than a silent meditation.

    ·         Be patient with yourself: Remember that managing emotions and challenges is a process, and it's okay to make mistakes or have setbacks. Be patient with yourself and keep working towards your goals.

     

    Here are some ways that this conversation might be helpful for others who experience similar feelings or difficulties:

    ·         Normalizes challenges: Hearing others talk about their struggles can help individuals feel less alone and more normal in their experiences.

    ·         Provides validation: When individuals hear others talk about similar challenges, it can help them feel validated and understood.

    ·         Offers practical tips: The conversation includes specific strategies for managing emotions and challenges, which can be helpful for individuals looking for new approaches to try.

    ·         Encourages self-reflection: Listening to others talk about their experiences can encourage individuals to reflect on their own needs and challenges, and consider new ways of approaching them.

    ·         Promotes empathy: The conversation models empathy and understanding, which can help individuals feel more connected to others and less isolated in their experiences.

    ·         Offers hope: Hearing about others' successes and positive experiences can offer hope and inspiration to individuals who may be struggling.

    ·         Raises awareness: The conversation touches on topics like executive functioning challenges and neurodivergence, which can help raise awareness and reduce stigma around these issues.

     

    Here are some practical tips for managing appointments and reminders:

    Use a calendar:

    ·         Whether it's a paper calendar or an online tool, having a calendar can help you keep track of your appointments and deadlines.

    ·         Set reminders: Use reminders on your phone or computer to alert you when an appointment is coming up or a deadline is approaching.

    ·         Set multiple reminders: If you tend to forget things easily, consider setting multiple reminders for each appointment or deadline.

    ·         Use a timer: Set a timer for yourself to help you stay on track during appointments or when working on a task.

    ·         Prioritize your schedule: If you have a lot of appointments or tasks to manage, prioritize them based on their importance and urgency.

    ·         Schedule buffer time: Leave some extra time between appointments or tasks to give yourself a break and avoid feeling overwhelmed.

    ·         Be realistic: Don't overcommit yourself by scheduling too many appointments or tasks in one day. Be realistic about what you can handle.

    ·         Use visual aids: If you're a visual learner, consider using color-coding or other visual aids to help you keep track of your schedule.

    ·         Get support: If you're struggling to manage your appointments and reminders, consider reaching out to a friend, family member, or mental health professional for support.

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    Episode 116 Does Mild ADHD Exist?

    Episode 116 Does Mild ADHD Exist?

    In Episode 116,  The ADHD Adults discuss 'sub-threshold' or 'mild' ADHD, a new(ish) area of research which suggests that not quite having the number of symptoms needed to meet the threshold for a diagnosis might be a mild form of ADHD. As usual, Alex the Psycho.......education Monkey monotonously vomits about the 'evidence' on the subject, all three ADHD Adults give their personal reflections on 'mild ADHD' and provide some ludicrously named 'top tips' on the topic.  'What has James lost, forgotten or mislaid this week?" returns with Alex annoyingly still in the lead, and Alex reads the usual 'definitely real' correspondence. Mrs ADHD leaves a gap, James can’t do sums and Alex hates how good Mrs ADHD is…


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