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    • This Father Created a Powerful 6-Year Journey for His SonFathers have a crucial role in guiding their children towards adulthood, and implementing intentional rites of passage can help them develop essential qualities for success.

      Many young men today struggle with finding their footing in adulthood, largely due to the lack of a rite of passage. Jon Tyson, the author of The Intentional Father, recognized this issue and took it upon himself to create a six-year journey for his son to help him transition from boyhood to manhood. Jon's approach involved various components such as initiation ceremonies, challenges, experiences, trips, and daily rituals to impart values and teach his son the five shifts of manhood. This intentional process allowed his son to develop courage, character, and confidence. It is essential for fathers to actively help their children become well-rounded individuals who can navigate the world with confidence and independence.

    • You won't believe the shocking impact of absent fathers!The presence of a loving father figure is crucial for a child's well-being, and intentional rites of passage can guide young men towards a confident adulthood.

      The presence of a loving, involved father figure has a significant positive impact on a child's life. Research shows that children without fathers are more likely to experience poverty, behavioral issues, risky behavior, and even infant mortality. The importance of fathers often goes overlooked in discussions about justice and cultural advantages. Furthermore, many men lack a sense of identity and purpose when they transition into adulthood without a ritual or initiation process. This leads to confusion and a longing to fill the void in their souls. Without proper guidance, young men may engage in destructive behaviors as they try to channel their energy. Establishing intentional rites of passage can provide a healthy outlet and guide young men towards a confident and blessed adulthood.

    • The Surprising Reason Why Modern Society is Failing Young MenLack of initiation rituals and intentional mentorship can lead to negative outcomes for young men. Creating a conscious pathway for their development is crucial.

      The lack of initiation rituals and rites of passage for young men in today's society can be more damaging than the intense initiation cultures of the past. Jon Tyson emphasizes the need to reclaim these rites of passage and create guard rails to channel male energy for the good of society. Brett McKay compares masculinity to electricity, where the energy needs to be directed through a culture of manliness or manhood to prevent it from becoming dangerous. To guide his son's initiation, Tyson used a framework called the-day-your-son-leaves-home exercise, inspired by Stephen Covey's "Begin with the end in mind." By asking questions about what he wanted his son to know, be, and do, he created a conscious pathway for his son's development, including knowledge, character, skills, and experiences. This conversation highlights the importance of intentional guidance and mentorship in a young man's formation.

    • How building a tribe of fathers can transform young menBuilding a community of fathers provides crucial support and resources for guiding sons, alleviates individual pressures, aids in identity formation, and fosters a sense of belonging.

      Building a community of fathers or mentors is crucial for the development of young men. Jon Tyson emphasizes the importance of creating a tribe or a cohort of fathers who can support each other in guiding their sons. This involves creating an asset map, where each father identifies the resources and connections they have available to contribute to their sons' growth. By involving other men in the process, the pressure on an individual father is alleviated, allowing for a more balanced and effective upbringing. Additionally, having other male figures present during a rite of passage helps boys establish their own identity separate from their fathers. This sense of community and support is vital for young men to flourish and find a sense of belonging.

    • Father organizes powerful event to help son transition into manhoodThe transition from childhood to manhood requires intentional guidance and support from both parents, and intentional rites of passage play a crucial role in this process.

      The transition from childhood to manhood requires intentional guidance and support from both parents. Jon Tyson emphasizes the importance of severing the strong bond between mother and child to allow the son to be formed by the community of men. He organized a severing dinner in which his wife played a critical role by taking their son out, giving him gifts, and offering a prayer of blessing. She made it clear that while she will always be there for him, he needs to turn to his father for guidance and mentorship in becoming a man. This powerful moment helped his son understand the significance of being formed by men and jump-started his journey into a different stage of life. To further solidify the transition, Jon Tyson and three other dads organized an initiation ceremony on a beach, where they shared stories and personal lessons with the boys. Overall, the key takeaway is that intentional rites of passage and guidance from both parents are crucial in helping young boys transition into manhood.

    • Unlocking the Secret to Successful Fatherhood: Apply Workplace StrategiesFathers and mentors can bring their strategic thinking skills from work into parenting to help their sons navigate adolescence and transition into adulthood with purpose.

      Fathers and mentors should apply their skills and strategic thinking from their work to their parenting. Often, men excel at casting vision and strategizing in the workplace, but fail to bring these abilities into their relationships with their children. By approaching fatherhood strategically, men can create meaningful rites of passage for their sons. These rites of passage should typically take place around the age of 13, when boys experience physical and hormonal changes, becoming more interested in competition and discovering their vocations. By providing guidance and support during this confusing and disorienting time, fathers can help their sons navigate the challenges of adolescence and transition into adulthood with greater clarity and purpose.

    • Why sharing family stories is crucial for our children's futureSharing family narratives and values helps children understand their place in the world, make informed choices, and discover their own identities and purpose.

      Providing a sense of context and history to our children is crucial in a world that promotes self-centeredness and lacks meaningful connections. In a society focused on personal projects and narcissism, it is important to guide our children towards a bigger picture of life. By sharing our family narratives, traditions, and values, we can help them understand their place in the world and the stories they are a part of. This not only gives them a sense of continuity and history, but also equips them to navigate through the bombardment of different stories and make informed choices. By providing a compelling and honest family story, we give our children a solid foundation to lean into or push against as they discover their own identities and purpose.

    • Father shares powerful lesson for instilling timeless values in childrenParents play a crucial role in guiding their children to develop personal values and understand the qualities that define character, especially in a confusing cultural landscape.

      Parents have the opportunity to instill important values and a sense of identity in their children. Jon Tyson wanted his son to understand their family's legacy and to know that he comes from a line of people who have taken risks and made sacrifices. By showing his son the places where he made significant decisions in his own life, Jon provided him with a pattern to follow when making his own important choices. Jon also emphasized the importance of classical virtues such as justice, wisdom, courage, and self-restraint. In a culturally confusing time regarding the definition of masculinity, Jon focused on teaching his son these timeless values. It is crucial for parents to guide their children in developing their own personal values and understanding the positive qualities that define character.

    • Discover the powerful impact instilling noble values has on young menInstilling noble values in young men through regular conversations and assigning books and movies helps shape their character, fostering accountability and resilience.

      Instilling noble values in young men is crucial in shaping their character and preparing them for adulthood. Jon Tyson emphasizes the need for just, wise, courageous, faithful, hopeful, and loving men in a world filled with negative influences. He actively took part in instilling these values in his son through regular conversations and assigning books and movies that exemplified these values. The daily check-ins allowed for meaningful discussions and the opportunity to impart wisdom and guidance. By consistently sowing these small seeds of wisdom, Jon Tyson was able to witness the positive impact it had on his son's character development, with one of the key takeaways being the importance of being accountable for one's actions when no one is looking. This approach highlights the power of ordinary, everyday activities in shaping young individuals.

    • Discover how one dad's cookie traditions and manhood shifts transformed his relationship with his children!Building traditions and guiding boys through challenging experiences can help them develop into responsible and empathetic men.

      Building traditions and guiding boys through meaningful experiences can help them navigate the journey from adolescence to manhood. Jon Tyson shares how he created a bond with his daughter through cookie traditions and embarked on a rewarding journey with his son by exploring the five shifts of manhood. These shifts include moving from ease to difficulty, from self to others, from the whole to a part, from control to surrender, and from the temporary to the eternal. By engaging in activities that challenge and push boundaries, such as facing fears of heights or visiting a graveyard, boys can learn important life lessons and experience a sense of progress. This intentional approach instills a sense of purpose and growth, enabling boys to develop into responsible and empathetic men.

    • Discover the secret to making every moment count!Time is valuable, so use deep encoding and spaced repetition to reinforce important ideas. Cultivate defining moments to shape your life intentionally.

      Time is a valuable gift that should not be squandered. We must be conscious of how we use our time and make it count. One way to do this is through deep encoding and spaced repetition to reinforce important ideas and lessons. By consistently revisiting and reinforcing core concepts, we can internalize them and carry them with us throughout our lives. It is also crucial to recognize and create defining moments in our lives, especially during adolescence and early adulthood. These moments have the potential to shape us and become powerful memories that impact us for years to come. By consciously cultivating and preparing for these moments, we can make them part of a larger, intentional rite of passage, rather than allowing them to become random, unguided experiences.

    • Discover the secret to creating unforgettable and meaningful experiences for your children!By being intentional and thoughtful in our parenting, we can transform ordinary moments into lasting memories that positively impact our children's lives.

      We have the power to transform ordinary moments into unforgettable and meaningful experiences for our children. By adding a little extra energy and thoughtfulness, we can shape their memories and create positive impacts on their lives. Jon Tyson highlights the missed opportunity of a driving test, where a simple congratulations and encouragement could have turned it into a memorable milestone. Similarly, he shares an example of how he turned a casual cigar meetup with dads into an extraordinary experience through elaborate presentation and thoughtful gifts. These instances remind us to be intentional in our parenting, to plan and create moments that bring healing, blessing, and growth for our children.

    • Discover the key to being a truly exceptional man!Being a good man goes beyond societal expectations; it means excelling in various aspects of life, having practical skills, understanding women, being a leader, and finding purpose and passion.

      Being a good man is not about conforming to societal expectations or simply avoiding negative behaviors. Instead, it is about being good at being a man and excelling in various areas of life. Jon Tyson realized that the traditional vision of a good man as an overwhelmed, suburban dad driven by obligations is uninspiring and lacks depth. He wanted his son to be confident, have practical skills, understand women, navigate social situations, and be a leader, friend, and sage. By unleashing the archetype content of what it means to excel in these roles, his son's motivation skyrocketed, and he willingly took responsibility for his own growth. This approach transformed their relationship, allowing his son to develop a strong sense of purpose and passion.

    • Discover the essential steps to help young men thrive!Young men need guidance, practical skills, and a support system to navigate life's challenges, interact with women, and build meaningful connections.

      Young men need guidance and support in fulfilling their roles as adults. By providing direction, teaching practical skills, and instilling confidence, they can develop a strong mental framework to face life's challenges. It is crucial for them to understand how to interact with women, become leaders, warriors, brothers, and wise men. They should also cultivate faith, embrace friendships, and maintain long-term relationships. This support system will help them navigate the awkwardness and complexities of social media and establish meaningful connections. The ultimate goal is to empower young men to believe that they can handle anything and build a brotherhood that celebrates their milestones and supports them through joy and sorrow.

    • Discover the secret to making wiser choices and finding fulfillment in life's stages.Understanding life as a series of distinct phases can help us navigate with wisdom, gain insight from others, and find fulfillment in each stage.

      Understanding the stages and seasons of life can provide clarity, relief, and direction. By recognizing that life is not a continuous journey but rather a series of distinct phases, we can navigate through them with wisdom and purpose. Just as we have an orientation when starting college, we can apply this concept to our entire lives. The life arc interview, where one seeks advice from those who have lived through different stages, is a valuable tool for gaining insight and perspective. We can help our children by connecting them with older individuals who have successfully navigated these stages, learning from their accumulated wisdom. By embracing the idea of life as a journey with distinct stages, we can make wiser choices, avoid unnecessary pressures, and find fulfillment in each phase.

    • How a Gap Year Can Transform Young People's PerspectivesExposing young individuals to diverse cultures and challenging their perspectives through experiences like a Gap Year can help develop empathy and reshape thinking, ultimately shaping them into better individuals with a broader worldview.

      Exposing young individuals to a multigenerational community and the world at large can greatly impact their growth and development. By placing them in different cultural settings and challenging their perspectives, they have the opportunity to internalize the lessons learned from their community. Initiating such experiences, like a Gap Year, can serve as an ordeal or initiation process to test their understanding and abilities. This helps them break away from their privileged bubble and develop empathy towards others. Experiencing the pain of global disparity can reshape their thinking, making them less likely to complain or exhibit negative qualities. Encouraging young people to embrace these experiences and learn from them will ultimately shape them into better individuals with a broader worldview.

    • This Dad Reveals Why Gap Years are Essential for Teens!Providing young people with a Gap Year can profoundly impact their development, empowering them to gain maturity, valuable perspectives, and a deeper understanding of the world, while also instilling a sense of identity and resilience.

      Providing a liminal space, such as a Gap Year, can have a profound impact on a young person's development. Jon Tyson shares his experience with his son and emphasizes the importance of allowing young individuals to explore the world and figure things out beyond their regular lives. By immersing themselves in new contexts and experiences, they can develop maturity, gain valuable perspectives, and deepen their understanding of themselves and the world around them. Tyson also highlights the significance of proper debriefing and reflection after such experiences to reinforce the lessons learned. Ultimately, this journey of self-discovery can empower young individuals, instill a sense of identity and purpose, and equip them to overcome challenges they may face in the future.

    • This Father's Unique Approaches to Parenting Will Blow Your Mind!Tailoring parenting approaches and providing intentional guidance can have a lasting impact on a child's character and prepare them for adulthood.

      Father-child relationships can be transformative and meaningful, regardless of gender. Jon Tyson shared his powerful experience of guiding his son into manhood through a blessing ceremony and a symbolic tattoo. In contrast, he described his intentional year-long program with his daughter, focusing on 50 key deposits of wisdom and a trip to Iceland filled with beauty and lessons about life. This highlights the importance of tailoring parenting approaches to meet the unique needs and interests of each child. Both experiences show the significance of parental involvement and guidance during key transitional stages of adolescence. Jon's story emphasizes the lasting impact that intentional parenting can have on shaping a child's character and preparing them for adulthood.

    • This Dad's Heartfelt Story About His Daughter Will Melt Your HeartBuilding a strong emotional bond with our children takes time and effort, but it is crucial for their well-being. Consistency and individualized parenting practices are key in nurturing this bond, creating a foundation for successful communication.

      Building and maintaining an emotional bond with our children is crucial. Jon Tyson shares a heartfelt story about his daughter needing more time with him before leaving for college, emphasizing the importance of spending quality time together. He admits that being busy and having responsibilities made it a sacrifice, but looking back, he realizes he would have gone even harder because it was worth it. Tyson advises that consistency is more important than intensity in parenting practices. Finding what works for each individual child and adjusting as needed is key. Ultimately, the number one goal should be nurturing that emotional bond because it becomes the foundation through which any challenges or conversations can be navigated successfully.

    • Discover the Simple Daily Steps to Building Unbreakable BondsPrioritize quality time with your children, set goals, and approach them with humility, forgiveness, and consistency to build unbreakable bonds and restore relationships, as the power of restoration is truly transformative.

      Maintaining a strong bond with our children is crucial, no matter how busy or overwhelmed we may feel. It's important to prioritize quality time with them, even if it's just one night a week or a few moments each day. Taking the long-term approach, we should set goals and plan ahead to ensure we are actively involved in their lives. Remember, something is always better than nothing, so don't be discouraged by what you can't do. For those who may have regrets about their past actions, it's never too late to make amends and rebuild relationships with their children. By approaching them with humility, forgiveness, and consistency, amazing reconciliations can take place. Hope should never be given up on, as the power of restoration is truly transformative.

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    TRANSCRIPT

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:05]:

    Welcome to Dads With Daughters. In this show, we spotlight dads, resources, and more to help you be the best dad you can be.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:16]:

    Welcome back to the Dads with Daughters podcast, where we bring you guests to be active participants in your daughters' lives, raising them to be strong, independent women. Docs. Really excited to be back with you again this week. Every week, I love sitting down with you and being able to talk to you about this journey that we're all on called fatherhood. And it is a unique journey in many ways, but it doesn't have to be. There are so many ways in which we can learn and grow from the offered from the people that are around us, from other fathers, and this show is all about connecting you with other people's experiences to be able to help you to be the father that you wanna be and to help you to raise those strong independent women the that you have in your homes. Every week, I love bringing you different guests, different dads, and different other individuals with resources that can help you to do just that. And this week, we got another great guest with us.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:12]:

    JP DeGance is with us today, and JP is the president of Communio. He is also the founder and president. I should say, let me step back. JP DeGance is with us today, and JP is the president and founder of Communio. And we're gonna talk more about the organization and some of the things that they've been finding inside, like, a recent study that just came out about loneliness. And we're also gonna be talking about the fact that he's a father of 8. And I was talking to him before we started today and said that it just kinda blows my mind because I think 2 is enough for me, but 8 is a whole new game. So I'm excited to have him on. JP, thanks so much for being here.

    JP DeGance [00:01:52]:

    Hey, Christopher. Thank you for having me. It's great to be here with you. Thank you so much.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:57]:

    It is my pleasure having you here today. I love that we're able to talk about fatherhood and Communio. I guess, 1st and foremost, I wanna turn the clock back in time. I love being able to have this power when when I talk to people and being able to turn the clock back. And I know you've got 8 kids. I'd like to go back to that 1st moment. That first moment that you found out that you were going to be a father to a daughter, what was going through your head?

    JP DeGance [00:02:20]:

    You know, for us, it was number 3. And I'll tell you. It was funny. I told my wife brings this up to me all the time. She says, I see, oh, I'm gonna treat, you know, my kids the same. I'm gonna, you know, my son's daughter's gonna be the same. And then, I had my daughter, and I realized, we have a different connection, a different relationship. And I love my girls.

    JP DeGance [00:02:42]:

    I've I've we're we're all tied up. Chris for four boys and four girls. It's about as evenly distributed as you can. But being able to bond with my daughters and having daughters, I'm confident, makes me a better a better man. It causes me to want to be more in comparison to my sons, who I'll rough up. I relate a bit differently to my daughters, and it's been beautiful, not great. And my wife has called me out on it quite a number of times that you don't really treat them the same. Later on, I got a quote from my father That I love. He's like, you treat all of your children equally.

    JP DeGance [00:03:18]:

    You don't treat them the same. And I think that there's a lot of a lot of wisdom in that.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:03:23]:

    I love that. Now a lot of dads that I talk to I talked to a lot of dads over the years, and a lot of dads say to me that having that daughter in their life. Is not only an amazing thing, but it also brings some fear with it as well. And I guess for you, As you look at the fact that you have eight kids four girls and four boys, what has been your biggest fear in raising daughters?

    JP DeGance [00:03:47]:

    Nobles. Because of my work, and you mentioned some research that we've been doing, I run an org and a ministry that really seeks to equip churches to champion and encourage healthy relationships, marriage, fatherhood, and healthy fatherhood. And as I've gotten into the data, you can't help but understand That there is a retreat from marriage that's occurring that's gonna affect our sons and daughters, and that means something, especially for our daughters and how they grow and Dom. And and how they discern healthy relationships. I think the culture has cheapened relationships and meaningful relationships. And so coming alongside my daughters to help form them is so that they can know what the healthy guy looks like and how to avoid problematic relationships and toxic relationships, and then form friend groups, right? That reinforces that. Right? My mom used to say, you know, you are. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose mom said this. Right? You are who your friends are, who you associate with.

    JP DeGance [00:04:51]:

    You often reflect in terms of your personality and who you are. So those are just some of those things that, you know, recognizing. You know, the reality is is even at Conley, and you think about college, no, today's college is now 60% women, 40% men, and in the last, most recent most recent class. And what that actually mathematically means as a dad is it's gonna be actually harder mathematically for our daughters to find a guy who is of historically speaking woman marries someone of the same academic attainment level. And that means, if her daughters pursue college, it'll become harder to identify someone just because it just becomes a math problem. These are just some of the things I think about.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:30]:

    Now with eight kids, I know that even with twoo kids, each child is very different. I'm sure that with eight kids, you've got many different personalities and many different perspectives. And as you father 8 children, you have to build those unique relationships with each one of those kids in different ways. How do you do that, and how do you balance being able to build those unique relationships with each of your children, especially based on the age range that we're talking about?

    JP DeGance [00:06:04]:

    We spend a lot of time together, a lot of our social time as a family. And the kids enjoy being around each other. These kids we, we fight. The kids fight. Right? The kids argue, and that's all normal. But I will say our 18-year-old, our 17-year-old, and our 15-year-old are strange in that they don't complain when it's family time and we're Doing something social and fun. That said, it's it you're absolutely right. It's critical to find that time where you can spend time together individually with dog.

    JP DeGance [00:06:34]:

    A child. So I do a number of things. I travel for work, not infrequently, and so I try to bring one of my kids with me on a work trip Periodically so that there it's just with dad. If I'm going out, I have to go to Montana periodically, and that's a fun place to go and drive around and see the natural wonder of that heart of the country, and I'll do that. I've I've had to go on trips to Denver. I'll take one child. And one of the things that we'll do is try to do different types of rites of passage kind of experiences with our with a kid with our children when they hit a certain age, particularly, like, right before puberty, you know, they go on a trip. With me.

    JP DeGance [00:07:10]:

    It's a son who goes with me, and the daughter goes with mom. And we make a trip away, and we do a bit of the bird and the bees, conversations and, you know, how life is gonna be changing and really try to lay the groundwork there. Then when they graduate high school, we've done this once Now. We'll be doing it again this summer. We've taken our oldest. We've just selected that point to be just a trip with an experience that we just do with a high school graduate and celebrate that moment, let them know how important that moment was and their achievement and and and, obviously, in our as a family of 8, really appreciate that time when it's just me and them Or me and my wife and my child. And so those are some of the ways. And then you, you know, every child, you're absolutely right.

    JP DeGance [00:07:57]:

    Every child is different. Right? They need different things. Okay. I've grown to notice that my sons and I are studying this area; they want to know If they're competent, they wanna know. If I think that they're competent, they're they're they're effective. They can do they can do things. And so frequently, that's part of how I reinforce the My sons and my daughters so frequently wanna know if, and they range again from age 4 to age 15. They wanna know if they are actually beautiful. Are they being reinforced? I think they're certainly reinforcing your self-image and, Letting her know that Dad knows that they're they're a beautiful young lady, beautiful inside and out, and that's important in a way.

    JP DeGance [00:08:39]:

    They react differently, my sons and daughters, on these things, and I've seen that as really important for my daughters.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:08:45]:

    We talked about fears and how raising kids can be smooth sailing. It can also be challenging at times. What's been the hardest part for you In being a father to a daughter?

    JP DeGance [00:08:57]:

    Yeah. The hardest part of being a father to a daughter. My kids have struggled with dyslexia, sons and daughters. And realized that the traditional school model for us wasn't wasn't working for my daughters. What it wasn't working for my sons. I ended up having a series of conversations with a businessman that I thought very highly of, and he helped me open my eyes to thinking differently about education, particularly educating my daughters. Right? In the end, it led us to decide to alter what we were doing. We ended up Moving into a homeschool model where we could allocate capital for the kind of tutoring they needed and the kind of pace in the areas they needed.

    JP DeGance [00:09:40]:

    And that's been a really good thing. I think mom is really good at handling things like ways to dress and what have you. And so I don't have to do much of that. My wife is all over the stuff, and the and the girls, That's been a good thing for us, and the girls, I think, have, with some reluctance, taken to mom's guidance on such Dutch Things. Mom dresses well, and so they see that you can dress beautifully elegantly, and you can also dress modestly in those ways.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:10:12]:

    I mentioned that you were the president and CEO of Communio, and you sort of started to talk a little bit about what Communio is and what it focuses on. Tell me more about Communio, and then we'll talk about some of the research. I wanna hear more about the organization first.

    JP DeGance [00:10:28]:

    Sure. So we function like as a business to business, a b to b, so to speak, as a business model. So our customers always and everywhere, the local church. Okay. We equip the local church to evangelize through the renewal of healthy relationships, the Marriage, and the family. And a major part of, obviously, that is fatherhood. And so we do that through Coaching churches, training churches, and evidence-based strategies on relationship health. We do help produce No.

    JP DeGance [00:10:59]:

    A transformation in the mindset of pastors in the church is that investing in the strength of your marriage or your relationships is something everybody does. If you wanna be healthy, happy, and holy, no. And then that's what that's what one ought to do. And a big thing is part of that message is for men. Right? Heavily, on dads. If I love my children, One of the best ways for me to love my children is, whenever it's possible, to love the mother of my children more than my own children because when I do that, it spills over and has lifetime benefits on our children.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:11:33]:

    I mentioned the fact that your organization had been doing some research into loneliness. So talk to me about That and why your organization chose to start doing research on this topic.

    JP DeGance [00:11:46]:

    I've been startled like many of the Folks who've who've looked into space; we've got shortening lifespans. We are, as a country, when I was a kid. When you were a kid, people talk futurists saying, you know, maybe we're gonna live to a 100 or maybe a 110 in the future. It'll just be normal. No one ever thought 40 or 50 years ago that people would be short, living shorter and shorter lives. And that's that's where we are, particularly men as of recently, but it's also women. And we're heavily divergent from similar countries. So if you look at other countries of high wealth, we are having a sharp decline in our lifespan.

    JP DeGance [00:12:20]:

    That has a heavy relationship to the loneliness problem. In 2008, the first year in the United States, the surgeon general said that we had an epidemic of loneliness, and it's only increased. And so we work with our client churches to a small number of factors, no And one of those is loneliness, and there's something called the UCLA summary loneliness index. It's a 3 question tool that when you use it, depending on how you answer it, no If you score 6 or higher on it, you fit the public health definition of loneliness, which means your lifespan is basically the difference between dying in your the Mid-seventies to dying in your late fifties or, you know, right at sixty. Okay. And that's how significant it is. And and so.

    JP DeGance [00:13:03]:

    We wanted to make folks aware of what's going on with it. And, well, one of the things that stuck out sadly is some of the findings were it's not who you think Dog. Is lonely. Right? You would think it would make sense that it's the elderly and it's the widowed are the most likely to be lonely. And the reality is that the loneliest folks in the survey were the never married in their thirties and also the divorced in their thirties. Those were the two loneliest groups. They were lonelier than widows, and there was the loneliest group of widows were widows in their Fifties, which makes sense, and widowers and widows in their fifties, which makes sense. It's premature to have lost a spouse.

    JP DeGance [00:13:46]:

    That age, or maybe you're a recent empty nester, and so there's a major life change. But even still, someone who's 30, the 4-year-old who's never married, or 33 who's divorced. They're actually lonelier by a significant margin than those folks and Docs. Making sure, you know, when we talk to our client churches, like, this is something you need to be aware of. Right? Like, this is as a pastor, Doc. If you're talking about the importance of forming a heterogeneous community between singles and married, divorced and widowed, the Young and old. That should be a normal part of life in thinking through how to form those kinds of interlocking communities. The folks can have meaningful relationships and have the kind of purpose that flows from meaningful relationships that undo all of the horrible health effects of loneliness.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:14:34]:

    So, a part of the Organization that this podcast is all about is called Fathering Together, and we talk about the importance of building community. And this show is all about raising our kids. I think that things that you just said are things that we need to reinforce with our kids in many different ways. As your organization delves deeper into not only some of the causes and the groups that are being affected to raise the consciousness of society around us, it will be able to start making changes internally. But are there things that your organization may have identified that, as parents, we should be aware of To be able to reinforce with our own kids as they're getting older to help them not lead that lonely life the As they

    JP DeGance [00:15:22]:

    get older. Yeah. You know, first, it's critically important, and this is gonna sound to some listeners paradoxical. One of the most important things is not to build Not. A child-centered home, but a parent-centered home. And I mean that in the sense of whether there's a marriage in the home or you're parenting with a spouse, Dom. The most important relationship is the spouse. And when that happens, a child can actually feel safe and trust That our ability to form social trust, one of the big things that social scientists have uncovered is that our levels of social trust in America are in rapid decline.

    JP DeGance [00:15:55]:

    We first learned to trust others based on those most primal relationships with our parents. And then when we see it model the Father to the child, but then when the child sees the dad relating frequently to the spouse. And so what's key is to model a life where, no, you know, it's easy. Right? I've paid kids, but you can do this with two kids. You can revolve your entire life around youth sports, youth activities, academic competitiveness, anything that you want, whatever you want to turn fashion into the idol, I think. The reality is that when it's a child-centered home, You raise people who will become self-centered later. Okay? Because they see themselves, hey. The most important people in my life communicated that I was the most important person in my life.

    JP DeGance [00:16:48]:

    And then now I'm going out into the world, and I'm the most important person in my life. No. And the paradox of happiness is living for the other. We're wired deeply to live in some in a sacrificial way to not go out of our way for the other. That's what love is. And so I think a key in raising our daughter's dog. They see that we love their mothers and that we model the kinds of healthy friendships that should be in our lives. And then, obviously, that doesn't mean that you don't do your sports, and it doesn't mean that you don't want your child to be competitive and great at what they're doing.

    JP DeGance [00:17:25]:

    No. But rightly ordered is the key here that these things are held, intention. There's moderation in such things. So sometimes there is a hard decision that needs to be made that as a husband, right, I need it's maybe not the best thing for my marriage that I I don't see my wife For thirteen weekends in a row because we're doing travel sports every weekend. I'd not say that that being in a hyperbolic example. Right? And then if you're you're a single dad, okay, you're an unmarried dad, Then I think that that's important to model a life of moderation. Right? So that a child can see and live a life of moderation where the child is Nuts. Encouraged and supported by that relationship between father and daughter, if I can't trust that my dad's there for me, it spills over into lots of other areas of my life later as I grow up.

    JP DeGance [00:18:15]:

    And I can't then trust that a future person who pursues me, as a man pursuing your daughter in the future, It's harder for that daughter to trust in the relationship. It's harder for her to trust certain friendships or business in relationships Dog. So much of who we are is formed in our family of origin.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:18:34]:

    Appreciate that. Now, as you think about relationships with other men, In regard to the importance of having bonds with others as well, what is your study found about the importance of having those connections to people outside of your family that Can help you to stave off loneliness?

    JP DeGance [00:18:57]:

    Yeah. Look. I'm a huge fan. I'm a big believer in mentorship and community Among men. So I have had a friend group of other dads that range in age, that are ranged about a dozen years older than me and Dog. About a dozen years younger than me. And we're actually on a text thread together, and we'll text each other. We'll get together periodically, Socially, mostly, but sometimes we do, what you would consider a Christian small group activity, but it's certainly a mix.

    JP DeGance [00:19:27]:

    And I have benefited so much from just being pals with dads who have some kids who are Doubt. 10 years further ahead of the journey on me and being able to talk to him. Nothing structured and formal,, you know, being able to Go over for a barbecue and a beer and talk and talk about challenges of fatherhood and the Thinking of being thoughtful about forming our children is just incredibly important and incredibly important within the realm of loneliness. Right? There's so many, so many men. We are Wired, Richard Reeves wrote a book on boys and men. He's actually a progressive scholar but spends a lot of time writing about men. Dog. And it's his argument that I'm I kinda persuaded on that in a lot of ways, masculinity in its social manifestation is no A bit more fragile than femininity, and his argument is that you know, we're wired for purpose.

    JP DeGance [00:20:22]:

    Humans are wired for purpose. Right? And we derive our sense of purpose most frequently from being a husband and then being a father. Okay? And when we walk through life, and we got those 2 things out of our life, what you're seeing doc Is ex what researchers identified is this epidemic of loneliness because and you've got an explosive growth in opioids and substance abuse, men died, and liver cirrhosis. Doc. All of this is what happened. It's the social manifestation or the psychological manifestation of social phenomena where you no longer have that sense of purpose is now void, no And

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:20:54]:

    it needs to be filled with something.

    JP DeGance [00:20:54]:

    And frequently, it's found in forms of escape. And our role as a dad Should be for anybody listening; this should be a place where I derive a deep, deep sense of purpose in my life. Ideally, the Best outcomes occur when you're a married dad. But then, if you're not a married dad, then it's how do I find ways to function in a healthy way as frequently as I can as a single dad. And understand this is deeply who you are, Dog. And you've created another person. A daughter shares your DNA, half of your DNA, and her self-image, her mental health, her future decisions on who she couples up with, who her spouse is, her future feelings of loneliness or isolation or the lack thereof, Doc. Wrapped up in her relationship, whether you like it or not with her.

    JP DeGance [00:21:47]:

    And so that should actually, I don't share that to scare any of the listeners. No, I show that to encourage you and just know you've got a big job. We've got big jobs as dads. We're not replaceable. Nobody else can serve that role as a dad. And so the Latin phrase, be a man. We have to step up and be a man.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:22:06]:

    You sharing that. Now we always finish our interviews with what I like to call our fatherhood five. We're gonna ask the Five more questions to delve deeper into you as a dad. Are you ready?

    JP DeGance [00:22:14]:

    Yeah. Go ahead.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:22:15]:

    In one word, what is fatherhood?

    JP DeGance [00:22:17]:

    Fun. I don't know. I feel like it's a lot of fun.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:22:19]:

    When did you finally feel like you succeeded at being a father to a daughter?

    JP DeGance [00:22:24]:

    I read a book to my teenagers. I read we do a lot of read-aloud books, no, And we've done stuff like Tolkien and Baham. I picked a book called How to Avoid Falling in Love with a Jerk. And I told my kids, and I told my daughter. I told my teenage boys and my teenage daughter that I read to them. I told them, look. It's too late for your mother, but it's not too late for you. And my daughter, at the end of it, okay, this is about as high praise as you can get. From a 14-year-old, she said, Dad, this is the 1st book you read to me that was interesting.

    JP DeGance [00:22:51]:

    And so I felt like knowing my daughter, that's, like, spiking the football. She's like, this is the greatest thing ever is what what that Dawson. So I felt like that was a major win.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:22:58]:

    I love that. I haven't read that book, but I think I might have to check it out.

    JP DeGance [00:23:01]:

    It's a great book. Read by my friend John Van App. He's a great scholar And a student of human relationships.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:23:07]:

    Appreciate you sharing that. Now if I were to talk to your kids, how would they describe you as a dad?

    JP DeGance [00:23:12]:

    I think they would say I'm the Don Juan. But I also know, you know, they'd say fun and that dad likes to teach us. And so because when we're eating dinner at the table, I'm usually we're doing pop Dog. Quizzes, whether it's on matters of deep importance or or matters of college football. It just depends.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:23:30]:

    Who inspires you to be a better dad?

    JP DeGance [00:23:32]:

    All 8 of my kids. I feel an awesome responsibility that I know Doc. No one will have a greater impact on our likelihood of living a healthy and happy life later than me and certainly their mother. But there's a lot of data. It says, particularly for our daughters, that there's this outsized major impact that dads play, and so I just can't help, but when I see my kids in the morning, especially my little 4-year-old, I can't help. Lucy, my youngest, is a daughter, and she runs the house, as my older kids all know. I

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:24:16]:

    You've given a lot of pieces of advice today. As we finish up today, what's 1 piece of advice you'd want to give to every dad?

    JP DeGance [00:24:21]:

    Live life with your children. And I mean that song, The Cats in the Cradle and the Silver Spoon. A little boy, blue, and the man on the moon. When you come home, son, I don't know when. I think so. Many times, it's so critical for us to abide and be around our children and enjoy when they're little to be with them And in the things that they love to do. Even though it may not be the most fun thing for us when our little ones are little push yourself to find the joy in playing and condescending to your daughters when they're really little. And because as you do that and continue to do that, As they get older, they will want to spend time with you, and you will want to spend time with them.

    JP DeGance [00:25:02]:

    The thing that I've gotten the most joy out of is actually these teenage years. Now that I am a college freshman, all of my teenagers actually enjoy spending time with me, and they like spending time with their friends. But when it's time to do something, they look forward to it. And they're okay with an occasional Friday night or Saturday night and dad, I'm watching some games with dad or or spending some time with dad. And that's all built on years of living life with them from a young age.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:25:31]:

    Well, JP, I just wanna say thank you. Thank you for sharing your journey, for sharing this study. If people wanna find out more About you, about your organization, where should they go?

    JP DeGance [00:25:40]:

    Go to communio.org, particularly to get the study, which goes into the slowness of data, the Goes into a lot of interesting stuff. Particularly, it goes into a lot of research on fathers' impact on faith practice, Which for dads who are interested in understanding that, it's communio.org backslash study. It's the relationship with our earthly father. That has an impact on whether or not you believe that there's a heavenly father out there who loves you.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:26:08]:

    Well, JP, I just wanna, again, say thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing and being able to help fathers to be able to see the importance of finding that community around them, and I wish you all the best.

    JP DeGance [00:26:18]:

    Hey. Thank you so much, Christopher.

    Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:26:20]:

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