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    enDecember 18, 2021

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    • Neoliberal Transformation of Chile Post-CoupThe 1973 coup in Chile led to a radical neoliberal transformation, with economists from the University of Chicago implementing free market reforms, depoliticizing the state, and introducing market forces into society, resulting in significant changes to labor, education, health, regional decentralization, agriculture, and justice policy.

      The implementation of neoliberal economic policies in Chile following the coup in 1973 led to a radical transformation of the country's political and economic landscape. Neoliberals, with support from organizations like the AFL CIO and the CIA, overthrew the socialist government of Salvador Allende. Pinochet, who emerged as the leader of the military junta, initially carried out a standard neoliberal program but turned to shock therapy and the IMF for help when inflation continued to be a problem. The Chicago Boys, economists trained at the University of Chicago, were brought in to implement free market reforms. Public choice theory, a doctrine of the Virginia School, was used to justify the depoliticization of the state and the introduction of market forces into every aspect of society. Buchanan, a prominent Virginia School economist, provided theoretical support for the regime despite not openly endorsing its authoritarian rule. The result was a dramatic shift towards neoliberalism, with significant consequences for labor, education, health, regional decentralization, agriculture, and justice policy.

    • Neoliberal ideology's impact on Chile and VenezuelaNeoliberal ideas influenced Chile's constitution, promoting individual freedoms and private property rights, while hindering Venezuela's attempts at import substitution through multinational corporations' intellectual property rights. International economic institutions offered potential solutions for Venezuela.

      The neoliberal ideology, exemplified by figures like Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, played a significant role in the political and economic transformations in both Chile and Venezuela during the late 20th century. In Chile, Hayek's ideas influenced the drafting of a constitution that prioritized individual freedoms and private property rights, while also allowing for a strong central state to maintain order and protect free market conditions. In contrast, in Venezuela, the government attempted to use state power and oil revenues to develop industries through import substitution. However, the multinational corporations holding the necessary technology for car production used their intellectual property rights to hinder this effort, leading to a standoff between national development and international profits. Ultimately, the Venezuelan government sought solutions through international economic institutions like the New International Economic Order, which offered debt relief and technology transfers. These examples illustrate how neoliberal ideology spread beyond the Anglosphere and influenced political and economic developments in other parts of the world.

    • The G7 prevented the G77 from establishing a new economic order in the late 1970sThe G7's tactics, including high interest rates and factionalism, led to neoliberal policies and the IMF/World Bank's enforcement of austerity measures, shaping the current global economic system and its negative impacts on essential services and human lives.

      The G7 countries prevented the emergence of a new international economic order in the late 1970s by stalling the G77 through various tactics, including pulling apart factions and using high interest rates to cripple their economies. This paved the way for neoliberalism, which prioritized debt repayment over social welfare and economic development. The IMF and World Bank, under neoliberal control, enforced these policies, often leading to austerity measures that negatively impacted essential services and human lives. This historical context sheds light on the roots of the current global economic system and its potential consequences.

    • Neoliberal economic policies causing crises in countries like VenezuelaNeoliberal policies led to economic instability in Venezuela despite attempts at industrialization and socialist governments, due to reliance on oil rents and market economics.

      Neoliberal economic policies, enforced by international institutions like the IMF and World Bank, have led to economic crises and instability in countries like Venezuela. This was exemplified in the 1980s when Carlos Andres Perez, who had previously led an industrial push, was elected on an anti-liberalization campaign but ultimately imposed harsher austerity measures, leading to mass uprisings and violence. Even socialist governments that took power later were unable to create a sustainable economy without an industrial base, leading to continued reliance on oil rents and market economics. This cycle of crisis and instability is a result of the failures of 1970s industrialization and the imposition of neoliberal policies, often against the will of the people.

    • Counterinsurgency deals with working class post WW2Governments made deals with working class to prevent unrest, but these became unsustainable by 1970s, leading to neoliberal policies, union destruction, and welfare state reduction, causing strife and negative issues.

      During the mid-20th century, the American and British governments made informal deals with the working class to prevent strikes, revolts, and overthrow attempts in exchange for welfare programs, housing, and middle-class status for white men, particularly union workers. This was a counterinsurgency tool to maintain order after World War 2. However, by the 1970s, this deal became unsustainable due to its high cost, leading to neoliberals pushing for the return of full-scale class war. This period saw significant strife as other groups attempted to enter the workforce and receive the same benefits, resulting in the US murdering groups like the Black Panthers and similar incidents in the UK. Reagan and Thatcher then won elections in the 1980s and implemented neoliberal policies by destroying unions and the welfare state, using a combination of racist tax policies and mobilizing the religious right. This played a significant role in creating many of the negative issues we face today. In Europe, the Volcker shock further exacerbated the situation by causing a worldwide economic crisis.

    • The Volcker Shock led to a significant decline in union powerThe Volcker Shock weakened labor unions by causing economic downturns and massive unemployment, allowing governments and employers to take drastic measures to break strikes and replace unionized workers. Reagan's handling of the air traffic controller strike and Thatcher's handling of the coal miner strike were pivotal moments in this process.

      The Volcker Shock of the late 1970s, an attempt to combat inflation through monetary policy, led to severe economic downturns and massive unemployment in the US and UK. This weakened the power of labor unions, allowing governments and employers to take drastic measures to break strikes and replace unionized workers. The air traffic controller and coal miner strikes in the US and UK, respectively, served as pivotal moments in this process. Reagan's handling of the air traffic controller strike in the US spread fear among unions, demonstrating that even highly skilled workers could be replaced without major consequences. Thatcher's handling of the coal miner strike in the UK annihilated the British trade union movement, leading to a significant decrease in union participation. Overall, these incidents made people disillusioned with the power of unions and paved the way for similar tactics to be acceptable for other unions. The fear of being replaced also spread through the union movements, further weakening their position.

    • Internal class wars reshaped labor relations and corporate structures post-WWIIFrom an alliance between middle management and workers, power shifted to finance in the 1980s due to neoliberal ideology and the leverage buyout option, prioritizing debt repayment over labor concerns

      The period following World War II saw significant changes in labor relations and corporate structures. The Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement in Detroit exemplified the internal class war between unions and radicals, resulting in weakened unions. At the same time, there was an internal class war inside the ruling class between traditional manager-CEOs and Wall Street finance bankers. The compromise led to the corporation being viewed as a social institution, with an alliance between middle management and workers. However, in the 1980s, finance people began to challenge this arrangement. With neoliberal ideology and the leverage buyout option, they took control of companies, prioritizing debt repayment over pensions and research and development, leading to a shift in power from labor to finance.

    • The 1980s Hostile Takeover Wave Changed Corporate America's FocusThe 1980s hostile takeover wave shifted corporate focus from social responsibility to raising stock prices, leading to mass buyouts and devastating consequences for workers and communities.

      The hostile takeover wave of the 1980s transformed corporate America from a social body with responsibilities to workers and the community, into entities solely focused on raising stock prices. This shift allowed corporate raiders to buy out profitable companies by offering higher stock prices, leading to mass buyouts and destruction of companies. The only way for companies to resist was to follow the raiders' lead and slash budgets, leading to a cycle of pressure from both the government and finance ghouls. Wall Street firms, with their high turnover rates, believed this approach applied to everyone, leading to devastating consequences for workers and communities.

    • A wave of economic policies in the 1980s led to societal collapse in capitalist and socialist statesThe 1980s brought about economic policies that prioritized profit over people, leading to societal collapse and widespread poverty in both capitalist and socialist states

      The 1980s saw a wave of corporate takeovers and economic policies that led to the evisceration of the working class in the US and UK, and this phenomenon was not unique to capitalist states as it also occurred in socialist states like Yugoslavia. These policies, including privatization, deregulation, and shock doctrine, resulted in economic devastation and societal collapse. In Yugoslavia, Milosevic's response to this crisis was genocide fueled by nationalism. The end of the Soviet Union brought about similar waves of privatization and the disappearance of the welfare state, leading to widespread poverty and even a decrease in life expectancy in some countries. This era demonstrated the dangers of unchecked corporate power and the devastating consequences of economic policies that prioritize profit over people.

    • The rise of organized crime and oligarchs in Russia during neoliberalismNeoliberalism in Russia led to the emergence of organized crime and monstrous oligarchs, who seized control of industries, leaving many without pensions or job security. This was engineered by Western neoliberal ghouls, while Boris Yeltsin, supported by the West, became increasingly authoritarian and used military force against opponents.

      The transition to neoliberalism in Russia in the 1990s, while resulting in wealth for a few, led to the rise of organized crime and monstrous oligarchs who took control of industries, leaving many without pensions or job security. The process was engineered by Western neoliberal ghouls, while Boris Yeltsin, who was supported by the West, became increasingly drunk with power and used military force against political opponents. Despite Putin's promise to control the mob and oligarchs, Russia remained controlled by them, and Putin's power relied on restoring the state's monopoly on violence and nationalism. Neoliberalism did not decrease the size of the state but instead extended its reach, requiring a large bureaucracy and enforcement apparatus to maintain the market-driven system, primarily targeting those who did not make much money.

    • Deregulation and the Expansion of BureaucracyNeoliberal policies often result in more regulations and a larger, more complex bureaucracy, as they prioritize military and regulatory functions over welfare services.

      Deregulation does not equate to a decrease in regulations or the size of the government. Instead, it often means the addition of regulations that benefit certain corporations, resulting in a larger and more complex bureaucracy. This is due to the paradoxical nature of neoliberalism, where proponents advocate for smaller government while implementing policies that expand the military and regulatory aspects. The result is an increase in guard labor, as seen in the mass incarceration system, and a perpetual cycle of electing politicians who promise to reduce bureaucracy but ultimately expand it. It's essential to understand that the state's core function is to maintain a monopoly on violence and order, and it doesn't have to provide services. Neoliberalism's focus is on increasing the military aspect of the state and decreasing the welfare aspect, leading to an increase in guard labor and a larger, more complex bureaucracy.

    • Neoliberalism and Mass Incarceration in Rural AreasNeoliberalism's emphasis on small government and free markets has led to mass incarceration in rural areas, replacing lost jobs. Prisons provide employment, but also create a terrorized workforce through militarized border regimes, leading to increased exploitation.

      Neoliberalism, a political and economic ideology, has led to mass incarceration in various parts of the world, including rural areas in the US, replacing industries like coal mining. Prisons provide jobs, even for those who dislike the system, as they see no other options. Neoliberalism is often confused with libertarianism, but they are not the same. Neoliberals, despite their public rhetoric of small government, often support increased border control and the exploitation of migrant labor through harsh, militarized border regimes. This creates a terrorized workforce, leading to increased exploitation. The US border, for example, is a hellscape where the constitution and bill of rights are largely suspended, allowing border patrol to act with impunity. The goal is to keep people moving while keeping them terrorized and exploitable.

    • Militarization of Law Enforcement under NeoliberalismNeoliberalism's emphasis on profit-driven policies leads to the militarization of law enforcement, resulting in excessive use of resources, a disproportionate police response to minor infractions, and a large workforce of guards and officers without significant economic value.

      Neoliberalism, as practiced by governments, goes beyond economic policies and extends to the use of force and violence through riot police. The transformation of riot cops into heavily armed and armored figures is a visible manifestation of the military-industrial complex's influence on law enforcement. This shift not only represents an excessive use of resources but also creates a surveillance state where minor infractions can lead to a disproportionate police response. Furthermore, the focus on profit-driven policies results in the prioritization of appearances over policymaking effectiveness, leading to the employment of a large workforce of guards and law enforcement officers who do not add significant value to the economy.

    • Resisting Neoliberalism: The Power of Mass ActionMass resistance, including taking control of media, can successfully challenge neoliberalism's ideological coercion and drive out those enforcing it.

      Neoliberalism, though profit-driven, gains most of its power through eliminating alternatives and becoming the only acceptable option. However, this ideological coercion only lasts as long as those enforcing it can hold the streets. Resistance against neoliberalism has been successful in various forms, such as defeating coups, running the IMF out, and even taking over entire cities. An example of this is the uprising in Oaxaca, Mexico, where teachers went on strike and, with the help of the community, successfully drove the police from the city and established direct democratic councils. The key to success in these situations is the sheer mass of people joining the fight, making it much more complicated for authorities to respond with force. This was evident in Portland when regular people rallied behind those protesting the presence of federal agents, ultimately leading to their departure. The ability to seize control of media, such as radio stations, also played a crucial role in spreading information and organizing resistance.

    • Power struggle between cartels and ruling class led to extreme violence in MexicoThe Mexican drug war resulted in over 800,000 casualties, highlighting the devastating consequences of unchecked power and the complexities of neoliberalism

      The power struggle between the cartels and the ruling class in Mexico led to extreme violence and the potential genocide of the indigenous population. The Mexican army's intervention in the drug war resulted in massive casualties, with estimates reaching up to 800,000 people in a decade. This event serves as a reminder of the devastating consequences when the ruling class is willing to sacrifice their own people to maintain power. Moreover, the blurred lines between the cartels and the military highlight the complexities of the situation, which is a hallmark of neoliberalism. It's important to remember that the army did not directly murder people but rather instigated a war between the cartels, leading to enormous numbers of deaths. Additionally, the discussion sheds light on the power of the ruling class and their ability to manipulate the population, as seen in their successful implementation of surveillance technology. The use of humor to address this issue underscores the importance of staying informed and aware of the tactics used by those in power. In conclusion, the events in Mexico serve as a cautionary tale about the dangers of unchecked power and the devastating consequences it can have on a population. It's crucial to remain vigilant and aware of the actions of those in power, and to remember that our individual actions, no matter how small, can contribute to creating a better future.

    • Fiction and activism work together to drive change in technology and surveillance issuesCory Doctorow highlights the power of fiction to illustrate potential outcomes and preserve a sense of possibility in driving change regarding technology and surveillance issues, while also emphasizing the importance of making these issues relatable and emotionally engaging to inspire action.

      Cory Doctorow, a prolific writer and tech industry commentator, believes that both activism and fiction are essential in driving change regarding technology and surveillance issues. He argues that abstract tech policy arguments often lack emotional impact and fail to mobilize people, and that fiction can serve as a powerful tool to illustrate potential outcomes and preserve the sense of possibility. Doctorow also points out that the complexity of the surveillance industry has been deliberately obscured to keep people from understanding the extent of their data being collected and monetized. He emphasizes the importance of making these issues relatable and emotionally engaging to inspire action.

    • Shifting the point of peak indifference to an earlier stageTo prevent public indifference towards privacy concerns, it's crucial to restore competition in the industry and increase transparency, making it harder for monopolistic companies to distort the narrative.

      The lack of transparency and understanding about how private data is collected, used, and potentially misused by tech companies can lead to indifference or denial among the public. This is particularly problematic when these industries are monopolized, allowing companies to extract large profits and influence policy to maintain the status quo. The Cambridge Analytica scandal served as a wake-up call, but there's a risk that people may become inured to the issue if they remain uninformed or feel that the damage is already done. To prevent this, it's crucial to shift the point of peak indifference to an earlier stage and restore competition in the industry. This would not only help to address the genuine problem of privacy concerns but also make it more difficult for companies to distort the narrative and maintain their monopolistic positions.

    • UK blocks Facebook's acquisition of Giphy, signaling a shift in privacy policies and tech market powerThe UK's decision to halt Facebook's acquisition of Giphy could be the beginning of more aggressive antitrust actions against tech giants, potentially leading to changes in privacy policies and the dismantling of market power. The FTC's new stance against anticompetitive mergers is also a promising sign for stronger regulation in the tech industry.

      The ongoing anti-monopoly movement could lead to meaningful changes in privacy policy regarding tech giants, as well as the potential dismantling of their market power. This process, which includes interventions like blocking predatory acquisitions and forcing interoperability, could begin with the UK's decision to stop Facebook from buying Giphy. The FTC, under new leadership, is also taking a more aggressive stance against anticompetitive mergers, with the possibility of unwinding recent deals and the integration that comes with them. However, the long-term success of these efforts depends on the political climate and the individuals in power. The appointment of Lina Khan, Kantor, and Tim Wu to key roles in the Biden administration is a promising sign for those advocating for stronger regulation in the tech industry. Ultimately, these changes could provide much-needed relief for individuals affected by the excesses of the tech industry.

    • Understanding the complex interplay of politics, economics, and technology shaping the regulatory landscape for tech giantsFacebook, despite its size and power, is vulnerable to regulation in different jurisdictions due to its global user base and need for sales offices. China is taking steps to rein in its tech giants, showing that these companies are not invulnerable to regulation.

      While there are ongoing discussions about regulating tech companies like Facebook, especially in the US, the reality is more complex. Facebook, with 80% of its users outside the US, is vulnerable to regulation in different jurisdictions. These companies, which are ad-driven and need sales offices in countries, are not invulnerable to regulation despite their size and power. China, for instance, is taking steps to rein in its tech giants, viewing them as countervailing forces rather than national champions. The persistent image of tech companies as monolithic forces shaping history may not accurately reflect the situation. Instead, it's essential to understand the complex interplay of politics, economics, and technology shaping the regulatory landscape for these companies.

    • Exploring the Power of Hope through Role-Playing and Engineering SolutionsRole-playing games and engineering solutions can inspire hope by illustrating the potential for human action to influence historical events and create positive change, even in the face of complex challenges like climate change.

      Hope is a powerful force that can inspire action and reveal new possibilities, even when facing seemingly insurmountable challenges. As an example, the professor in the discussion leads an immersive role-playing game for her students to reenact the election of the Medici pope, where students take on the roles of cardinals and navigate alliances, betrayals, and unexpected outcomes. This experience illustrates that human action can influence historical events, and that there's always another step to take towards progress. Moreover, the discussion touches on the importance of recognizing the potential for action in the face of complex issues like climate change. The example of Saul Griffith's book "Electrify" highlights how engineering solutions can lead to more efficient and cost-effective energy production, offering a hopeful perspective on reducing reliance on fossil fuels. In essence, hope is the belief that there are still steps to take towards a goal, and that taking those steps can lead to new opportunities and discoveries. It's a mindset that acknowledges the challenges but remains optimistic about the potential for positive change.

    • Power struggles between corporations, creators, and consumers in the digital ageNeal Stephenson's books 'Pirate Cinema' and 'Attack Surface' discuss intellectual property, control, and power. Copyright wars have shifted to focus on brittleness and fragility in speech platforms, but real action is in wage theft through monopolization. Misuse of copyright claims for silencing criticisms or protests is a concern.

      The discussion revolves around the analysis of two different books by Neal Stephenson, with a focus on the themes of intellectual property, control, and power. In "Pirate Cinema," Stephenson explores the attempts of large entertainment corporations to suppress the free trading of ideas and remixing. This contrasts with the focus of "Attack Surface," where the author delves into the tactics used by real-life companies for surveillance and control. The speaker reflects on how the nature of the copyright wars has shifted, with the introduction of brittleness and fragility into speech platforms leading to easy removal of content through copyright claims. The real action, however, has been in wage theft through monopolization, as seen in the case of Spotify and its formalized wage theft from musicians. The speaker expresses concern over the potential misuse of copyright claims to silence criticisms or recordings of protests. Overall, the conversation highlights the ongoing power struggles between corporations, creators, and consumers in the digital age.

    • DRM technology expansion hinders repair, interoperability, and innovationDRM technology's expansion from copyright protection to a barrier for repair, interoperability, and innovation affects various industries and daily life, limiting consumer choices and economic liberties.

      The expansion of Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology, which was initially used to protect copyrighted material, has become a significant barrier to repair, interoperability, and innovation across various industries. This issue is often discussed in terms of right to repair or security auditing, but it originates from copyright laws like section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The consequences of this expansion are far-reaching and affect our daily lives, from our ability to modify and improve everyday technologies like tractors and medical devices to access essential services like VPNs. The absence of third-party app stores and the monopolistic power of companies like Apple and John Deere exacerbate the problem, limiting consumer choices and economic liberties. The anti-monopoly critique offers a potential solution by highlighting the converging interests of various stakeholders, from farmers to copyright scholars, and encouraging solidarity and collective action. As James Boyle, a copyright scholar, points out, the term "ecology" brought together diverse groups of people concerned with different issues, and a similar unifying concept could help us address the complex and interconnected challenges posed by the overreach of DRM technology.

    • Monopolies in various industries cause issues for workers and consumersRealizing interconnected issues in monopolies can inspire solidarity and collaboration for a more equitable future, with technology offering hope for change

      The monopolization of various industries, from eyewear to agriculture to wrestling, can lead to significant issues for workers and consumers alike. These issues, though seemingly disparate, can be connected and may inspire a sense of solidarity among people from diverse backgrounds. The potential antidote to the politicization and culture wars that have become pervasive in society is the realization of these interconnected issues and the potential for collaboration and change. The rise of technologies like 3D printing and the efforts of organizations in this field offer hope for breaking free from the current discourse and creating a more equitable future.

    • 3D Printing's Ethical Challenges in IndustriesThe expiration of key patents in 3D printing did not lead to an industry boom, and the limitations of filament printing hinder the creation of high-performance components. Ethical concerns around surveillance technology in Cory Doctorow's 'Attack Surface' continue to be relevant.

      The potential of 3D printing in disrupting industries and advancing technology has faced challenges due to patent restrictions and complex supply chains, particularly in the case of powder printing. The expiration of key patents did not lead to the industry boom hoped for, and filament printing, while impressive, is not suitable for creating high-performance components. Cory Doctorow's novel "Attack Surface," released in 2020, explores the ethical implications of surveillance technology, which has been a concern for him since before the novel was written. He has addressed this issue in his works since "Little Brother" in 2006. The expansion of surveillance and the leaks of sensitive information have been a long-standing concern for Doctorow, and he believes that even the incompetence of surveillance giants can lead to the collection and leakage of data on innocent people.

    • Discoveries in Surveillance: Reverse Warrants, Geofence Warrants, and Old-Fashioned InformantsLast summer, while there were no major surveillance surprises, reverse warrants and geofence warrants were intriguing discoveries. The biggest surprise was the limited role technology played for law enforcement and the return to violence and informants.

      Key takeaway from Corey Doctorow's discussion with EFF is that while there were no major surveillance surprises last summer, the use of reverse warrants and geofence warrants were interesting discoveries. However, the biggest surprise was how little technology accomplished for law enforcement and how much it reverted back to violence and old-fashioned informants. Doctorow's work is valuable for activists as it helps keep an eye on emerging trends and technologies in the realm of surveillance. The conversation was a pleasant way to end the year for Doctorow, who will be offline for a month after a joint replacement. BetMGM, a sponsor of the podcast, was also mentioned, offering up to $1500 back in bonus bets for new users who sign up and don't win their first bet using the code "celebrate."

    • Growing concerns of civil unrest or civil war in the US18% of Americans believe in the need for violence to save the country, with 46% considering a civil war a real possibility, highlighting the need for dialogue and de-escalation.

      There are growing concerns about the potential for civil unrest or even a civil war in the United States, as indicated by several polls and articles from liberal perspectives. For instance, one survey found that 18% of Americans believe "patriots might have to resort to violence to save the country," with 30% of Republicans holding this view. Another poll revealed that 46% of people thought the country was somewhat or very likely to experience another civil war. Although not a majority, the plurality of those polled leaned towards the idea that a civil war is a real possibility. The articles discussed also mention increased threats against elected officials and performative militancy among some politicians. These developments underscore the need for dialogue and efforts to de-escalate tensions in the cultural and political landscape.

    • Potential for Civil Unrest or Civil War in the USDespite the complexities, the potential for civil unrest or civil war in the US remains a serious concern, with the normalization of extreme violence against fellow countrymen a potential catalyst for conflict.

      The potential for civil unrest or even a civil war in the United States is a complex issue with valid arguments on both sides. While some argue that private organizations and lack of formal police backing make a civil war less likely, others point to the politicized nature of law enforcement and the increasing use of violent rhetoric and behavior towards elected officials. The line between regular civilians and organized militias can be blurred, with some members of law enforcement having ties to these groups. The likelihood of a formally declared conflict may be low, but the normalization of extreme violence against fellow countrymen could lead to an era of civil disturbances and armed confrontations. Ultimately, the potential for civil unrest remains a serious concern, and it's essential to continue monitoring the situation closely.

    • Rising Tensions and the Potential for Civil Conflict in the U.S.The current political climate in the U.S. could lead to civil unrest or conflict due to paramilitary organizations, increasing gun ownership, and the erosion of civil institutions. Support for violence as a means to restore the nation is a major concern.

      The current political climate in the United States could potentially lead to civil unrest or conflict, as seen in the rise of paramilitary organizations, increasing gun ownership among marginalized communities, and the erosion of civil institutions. The speaker expresses concern over the potential for violence and the role of impunity in fueling tensions. While historical events like the Years of Lead in Italy provide some parallels, there are significant differences, such as the absence of a left-wing terrorist tradition in the U.S. The number of people expressing support for violence as a means to restore the nation is a major indicator of the likelihood of civil conflict. However, the situation remains complex, and there are still many unanswered questions, such as the role of law enforcement and foreign involvement.

    • Political climate fueling potential conflict between militias and leftThe rise of far-right extremist groups and declining social connections are contributing to increased potential for armed confrontations between militias and the left. The Internet's role in spreading ideologies cannot be ignored, and addressing underlying issues is crucial to counteracting the pull of extremist groups.

      The current political climate may lead to increased conflict between right-wing militias and the left, potentially resulting in armed confrontations. This is due to the rise of far-right extremist groups and the declining social connections among Americans, which has led to more time spent online and increased exposure to extremist ideologies. However, it's important to note that correlation does not equal causation, and there may be other factors contributing to both the decline in social connections and the growth of extremist groups. The Internet's role in rewarding extremism and facilitating the spread of ideologies cannot be ignored. The decline in shared experiences and social connections in physical spaces may be contributing to a sense of isolation and desperation, making individuals more susceptible to extremist ideologies. It's crucial to address these underlying issues and find ways to build stronger communities and social connections to counteract the pull of extremist groups.

    • Political climate and historical events fuel appeal of extremist groupsThe distrust of the government, online socialization, and simplistic views on conflict contribute to the growth of extremist groups, using rhetoric and violence to achieve their goals.

      The current political climate and historical events, such as the failure of the political system to address pressing issues and the end of universal military conscription, contribute to the appeal of extremist groups. These organizations use rhetoric similar to the "Make America Great Again" and "return to tradition" movements, but are willing to use violence to achieve their goals. The distrust of the federal government and socialization through online platforms have fueled the growth of citizen militias. The belief that a clear regional split is necessary for a civil war to occur is a simplistic view, as urban-rural divides and complex political situations can lead to conflict. The discussion also touched upon the complexity of mapping out conflict zones and the influence of historical civil wars on current perceptions.

    • Civil wars not always urban vs ruralMost civil wars aren't driven by urban-rural conflicts, but by political movements. Regions do not fight, people do, and urban areas can be isolated and vulnerable.

      The concept of a civil war being solely defined by urban versus rural conflicts is a limited and misinformed perspective. The American Civil War, which involved distinct geographic divisions and large-scale military engagements, is a unique example in this regard. Most civil wars, however, are driven by people's political movements, and regions do not do the fighting. Instead, people in areas can block off access and mobilize populations. Counterinsurgency experts, who once understood this dynamic, now seem to overlook it. Instances like the water and gas wars in Bolivia demonstrate how urban-rural divides can lead to insurgencies, where rural groups blockade roads and starve cities out. This trend is expected to continue, as urban areas become increasingly isolated and vulnerable to militias or natural disasters. It's crucial to recognize that civil wars are complex phenomena, and understanding their underlying causes and dynamics is essential for effective conflict prevention and resolution strategies.

    • Ray Dalio's Warning of Civil Unrest and Potential Civil WarRay Dalio, a prominent hedge fund manager, warns of a high likelihood of civil unrest or civil war within the next decade due to political and cultural polarization. He suggests close elections be formally judged and results respected to prevent this outcome.

      The threat of civil unrest and even civil war is a real concern for some, including prominent figures like hedge fund manager Ray Dalio. Dalio, who runs one of the world's largest hedge funds, believes there is a high likelihood of a civil war or something resembling it breaking out within the decade. He bases this belief on various factors, including political and cultural polarization. Dalio's proposed solution to prevent this outcome is for close elections to be formally judged and for the losers to respect the outcomes. This idea gained relevance following the disputed 2020 US Presidential election. While some may dismiss Dalio's views as mere speculation, his expertise in risk assessment lends credibility to his analysis. The potential for civil unrest and conflict is a serious concern that requires thoughtful consideration and action.

    • Trust in Institutions and Election DisputesDespite skepticism towards the Supreme Court as a solution for election disputes, there's a call for a more trustworthy and effective system to address pressing issues. Concerns over resources being focused on less impactful matters and the need for a more democratic alternative were also discussed.

      The current state of faith in institutions and their ability to solve complex issues, such as contentious elections, is at an all-time low in the United States. Ray Dalio's suggestion of turning to the Supreme Court as a solution for election disputes was met with skepticism, as there is a widespread lack of trust in the institution's ability to make a fair and unbiased decision. The conversation also touched on the idea of a government based on a random selection of people, which was seen as a more democratic alternative to the current system. The discussion also highlighted the concern that individuals with significant resources, like hedge fund managers, are focusing on issues that may not have a significant impact, while experts in the field could be dedicating their efforts to more pressing matters. Overall, the conversation underscored the need for a more trustworthy and effective system for addressing the country's most pressing issues.

    • Brian Michael Jenkins' outdated perspective on terrorismDespite focusing on Hezbollah in the 80s, Jenkins' analysis of modern extremism is outdated. Discussed on a podcast, potential increase in assassinations, decrease in bowling league security concerns, update on forest defense issue, and upcoming NFL schedule and Amy Winehouse film release.

      Brian Michael Jenkins' perspective on terrorism is outdated, as he continues to view it through a seventies lens. This was discussed during a podcast episode, where it was pointed out that his analysis on modern extremism lacks understanding due to his focus on Hezbollah in the eighties. The podcast also touched on the possibility of an increase in assassinations, as it has been a long time since such incidents occurred, and the decrease in bowling leagues as a security concern. Another topic discussed was the update on the forest defense issue, where the planned post-fire logging near the Bright Bush watershed was deemed unethical and potentially illegal. The podcast also mentioned the upcoming release of the 2024 NFL schedule and the release of the film "Back to Black" about Amy Winehouse. Overall, the podcast covered a range of topics, from terrorism and security to forests and entertainment.

    • Grassroots activism and on-site documentation save beloved forestDocumenting threatened places and raising awareness can lead to successful legal action, preserving natural treasures.

      Grassroots activism and on-site documentation played a crucial role in blocking post-fire logging in a beloved forest. The group successfully demonstrated the public's love for the area and raised awareness about the forest service's plan to clear-cut without proper process or public input. When the judge ruled in their favor, granting a preliminary injunction, the community's reaction was overwhelmingly positive. The documentation, including photographs and testimonies from those who had visited the site, was instrumental in the court case. This serves as a reminder of the importance of ground-truthing and documenting threatened places, even when access is restricted. The impact of this activism is a tangible reminder of the power individuals have to effect change.

    • Accusations of deception in forest managementCritics claim forest service uses euphemisms and hides info to increase timber sales, potentially misleading public

      The forest service and related organizations have been accused of using deception and euphemisms to justify logging in areas they claim are a safety hazard. Critics argue that these organizations are lying about the types and extent of damage being done, as well as the areas where logging is taking place, in order to increase timber sales. The use of euphemisms like "regeneration harvest" and "clear cut" being replaced with terms like "restoration thinning" is a deliberate attempt to mislead the public. Additionally, much of the decision-making and information regarding logging projects are kept secret, requiring FOIA requests to obtain information. A recent legal case revealed the forest service's disappointment in their "silly behind the scenes" tactics, suggesting a culture of secrecy and potential misinformation. Ultimately, the public needs to be aware of the potential for deception and propaganda in discussions surrounding forest management and timber sales.

    • Attempt to Change Logging Plans Without Proper Analysis and Public EngagementA federal judge halted logging plans in a forest, ruling that the community values the forest and it needs time to recover from wildfires. The judge also criticized the forest service's justifications for logging.

      The forest service attempted to change logging plans without proper environmental analysis and public engagement, despite having previously agreed to protect certain tree stands. This attempt was made after wildfires occurred, and the forest service argued that logging was necessary for restoration and economic recovery. However, a federal judge ruled against the forest service, stating that the community values the forest and that it needs time to recover from the fires. The judge also criticized the forest service's justifications for logging, calling them BS. The logging industry has a history of convincing rural populations that logging is economically beneficial and good for the environment, despite potential negative impacts. Addressing this disconnection and providing accurate information to these communities is important.

    • Logging industry's evolution from family-owned to corporate controlThe logging industry's shift from family-owned to corporate control has created a disconnect between loggers and local communities, with many rural residents opposing clear-cutting and environmental destruction. Corporations exploit tax loopholes, lobby for favorable policies, and employ exploitative labor practices, all while maximizing profits.

      The logging industry in rural communities has evolved from small, family-owned operations to large, Wall Street-funded corporations. This shift in ownership and control has led to a disconnect between those in the logging industry and local communities, who often have more in common with those fighting against logging. The false dichotomy between rural logging communities and urban environmentalists should be challenged, as there are many rural residents who oppose clear-cutting and the destruction of their natural resources. It's essential to make clear that these corporate logging operations are not made up of friendly neighbors or small business owners, but rather wealthy investors who care little for the local communities and their environments. The reality is that these corporations exploit tax loopholes, lobby for favorable government policies, and employ exploitative labor practices, all while maximizing profits. It's crucial to recognize this reality and challenge the nostalgic narrative that still exists around logging in rural communities.

    • Protecting Forests Beyond Old GrowthOld forests deserve protection, but forests over 70 years old also have significant value due to carbon storage and increased diversity. Clear cutting is not a good solution as it leads to deforestation and ecocide, instead, focus on preserving existing environments and minimizing terraforming.

      Old growth forests, while important, are not the only forests that deserve preservation. Old growth forests are complex ecosystems with varying ages and diversities, but forests over 70 or 80 years old should also be protected due to their carbon storage capabilities and increased diversity compared to young monocrop plantations. Clear cutting, despite creating new environments, is not a good solution as it leads to deforestation and ecocide, replacing natural forests with monocrop plantations. Instead, we should focus on preserving existing environments and minimizing terraforming to help mitigate the climate crisis. The timber industry's argument that clear cuts mimic natural disasters and create young forest habitats is a misleading talking point. Instead, we should aim to understand the unique characteristics of different forest types and prioritize their preservation for the health of ecosystems and the planet.

    • The complex issue of forest destructionLarge-scale destruction of forests through ecocide, clear-cutting, and closing off public access can harm ecosystems and disrupt services, but education, responsible use of explosives, and improved power line management, as well as recognizing indigenous peoples' role, can lead to a more sustainable approach.

      The destruction of forests through ecocide, clear-cutting, and closing off public access under the guise of preservation is a complex issue with far-reaching consequences. Ecocide, or the large-scale destruction of ecosystems, can lead to the loss of habitats for various species and disrupt important ecosystems. Clear-cutting, often justified by the argument that it benefits certain species, can destroy habitats for other species and disrupt ecosystems that are already providing essential services. Closing off public lands to prevent human-caused fires may seem like a solution, but it overlooks the root causes of most fires and infringes on the rights of rural communities and indigenous peoples. Instead, focusing on education, responsible use of explosives, and improved power line management could be more effective solutions. Moreover, recognizing the importance of indigenous peoples' role in forest management and involving rural communities in decision-making processes can lead to a more just and sustainable approach to forest conservation.

    • Corporations win over local support through sponsorshipsCorporations sponsor local events and projects to create positive associations and gain community trust, even in the face of negative environmental impacts

      Corporations use various tactics, including sponsoring local events and projects, to gain the support of communities that are negatively impacted by their operations. This strategy helps to create a positive association between the company and the town, making residents more likely to view the company favorably despite potential harm to their environment and livelihoods. This was observed during the resistance against the Line 3 pipeline, where Enbridge sponsored town fairs and other events to win over local support while environmental activists worked to block the pipeline. This technique is not limited to pipeline projects, but is also used in coal and logging towns, where corporations revitalize communities to gain their trust and allegiance.

    • Mutual aid and community building in activismTimber Unity's actions during a snowstorm underscored the importance of community support and accountability. While trust and relationships are vital, holding destructive industries accountable is necessary for lasting change.

      Mutual aid and community building are essential components of activism and resistance. The discussion highlighted the actions of Timber Unity, who provided essential resources to those in need during a snowstorm, emphasizing the importance of establishing trust and relationships within communities. However, it was also emphasized that it's crucial to hold dishonest industries accountable and continue the fight against destructive practices. The legal victory against the Forest Service is a step forward, but the battle is far from over. The community remains vigilant and will continue to take action when necessary. To stay updated on the fight against logging in the Breitenbush community, follow Cascadia Forest Offenders, Portland Rising Tide, and Cascadia Wildlands on social media.

    • Defending LGBTQ+ rights and HIV advocacy through Lambda LegalLambda Legal fights for LGBTQ+ rights and HIV advocacy through impact litigation, education, and public policy work. Visit LambdaLegal.org for resources, legal cases, and ways to get involved.

      Lambda Legal is a nonprofit organization dedicated to defending the rights of the LGBTQ+ community and people living with HIV through impact litigation, education, and public policy work. Their website, LambdaLegal.org, is a valuable resource for information on current issues, legal cases, and ways to get involved. Lambda Legal's impact litigation includes challenging discriminatory laws and policies, advocating for inclusive legislation, and providing legal assistance to individuals facing discrimination. Their education and public policy work involve raising awareness and advocating for systemic change. The organization's website, LambdaLegal.org, is an essential tool for staying informed about their work and the broader LGBTQ+ rights movement. It provides resources for individuals who have experienced discrimination, information on current legal cases, and opportunities to get involved through volunteering or donations. Lambda Legal's mission is to create a world where LGBTQ+ people and people living with HIV can live openly and authentically without fear of discrimination or violence. By supporting their work and staying informed through their website, we can help make that vision a reality.

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    https://archive.is/KvGqw#selection-1769.0-1781.535

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    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/2/25/how-britain-forcefully-depopulated-a-whole-archipelago/

    https://archive.org/details/webofdeceitbrita0000curt/page/432/mode/2up?q=chagos

    https://journals.openedition.org/oceanindien/2003

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    Behind the Bastards is doing it's annual fundraiser for the Portland Diaper Bank! We had a soft start a week or so ago but will actually be plugging it this week and next. Please help if you can!

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    https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/02/15/thats-when-nightmare-started/uk-and-us-forced-displacement-chagossians-and

    https://archive.is/KvGqw#selection-1769.0-1781.535

    Vine, David. Island of Shame: The Secret History of the U.S. Military Base on Diego Garcia (p. 18). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/2/25/how-britain-forcefully-depopulated-a-whole-archipelago/

    https://archive.org/details/webofdeceitbrita0000curt/page/432/mode/2up?q=chagos

    https://journals.openedition.org/oceanindien/2003

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