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    Making and Breaking Habits, Sanely | Kelly McGonigal

    enDecember 26, 2019

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    • Exploring Healthy Habits Without Self-Punishment with Kelly McGonagallHealthy habit formation expert, Kelly McGonagall, shares her insights on making lasting changes without resorting to self-punishment. Her personal experiences with pain and meditation led her to help others through her book, 'The Joy of Movement'.

      Kelly McGonagall, a health psychologist and meditation expert, shares her insights on making healthy habits without resorting to self-punishment. With a background influenced by psychology and mindfulness meditation, she discusses her personal experiences with pain and how they led her to explore these fields. McGonagall began practicing meditation as a child, drawn to its potential for understanding and alleviating suffering. She formally started meditating in her teenage years and has since dedicated her career to helping others form healthy habits without causing harm. In her new book, "The Joy of Movement," she focuses on the benefits of exercise for habit formation. Her approach emphasizes compassion and understanding, making her an excellent first guest for Wondery's series on habit change without shame.

    • Meditation's profound impact on the speaker's lifeMeditation practices, such as benefactor meditation and Tonglen, helped the speaker develop compassion towards those who had harmed her and acknowledge suffering in the world and within herself.

      The speaker's experiences with meditation practices, particularly during her time as a graduate student studying psychology at Stanford, had a profound impact on her life. The practices she mentions, including the benefactor meditation and Tonglen, helped her shift her perspective and develop compassion towards people who had harmed her, as well as acknowledge and respond to the suffering in the world. These practices were particularly meaningful to her due to her temperament towards empathy and her early realization of the existence of suffering, both in the world and within herself. Overall, the speaker's experiences demonstrate the transformative power of meditation practices in fostering compassion, courage, and resilience.

    • Set daily intentions for a clear focus and emotional resilienceChoosing a daily intention can help improve motivation, maintain clarity, and handle challenges with greater agency. Set your intention before sleeping and be reminded upon waking.

      Establishing a daily intention setting practice can help individuals maintain a clear focus and emotional resilience, allowing them to approach their day with enthusiasm and handle potential challenges with greater agency. This practice, which can be done while still in bed, involves choosing a word or intention that sets the tone for the day. By focusing on this intention, individuals can improve their motivation and overall quality of life, as the focus of attention determines the quality of experiences. Established practices like this, which have been a part of daily routines for years, can be more effective than attempting to force formal practice before coffee or other distractions. To begin, individuals can set their intention before going to sleep and be reminded of it upon waking. This simple yet powerful practice can help individuals navigate the chaos of daily life and maintain a sense of clarity and control.

    • Practicing mindfulness and intentionality dailyMindfulness, gratitude, compassion, and movement enhance overall quality of life. Set daily intentions, express gratitude, offer compassion, and prioritize exercise.

      Practicing mindfulness and intentionality in our daily lives can significantly improve our overall well-being and relationships with others. The speaker emphasizes the importance of setting intentions for the day, expressing gratitude, and offering compassion in the moment. These practices, which can be integrated into our daily routines, can help us navigate challenges, manage emotions, and strengthen our connections with those around us. The speaker also highlights the importance of movement and exercise as essential components of a happy and healthy life. Through her personal experiences and research, she discovered the profound impact of movement on human nature and the science behind it. Ultimately, the speaker's message encourages us to prioritize mindfulness, gratitude, compassion, and movement in our daily lives to enhance our overall quality of life.

    • Rediscovering the Joy of MovementThrough dance and fitness classes, the speaker found joy in movement beyond calorie burning or weight loss. She encourages trying various forms of exercise and maintaining a positive mindset to harness the self-discovery, community, and personal growth benefits of movement.

      Movement can bring about joy and empowerment beyond just the physical benefits like calorie burning or weight loss. The speaker shares her personal experiences of discovering the joy of movement through dance and fitness classes, and how she wanted to write a book to encourage people to reconnect with the joy of movement and shift the conversation away from just focusing on the numbers. She emphasizes that when people talk about their experiences with movement, they often share stories of self-discovery, community, and personal growth. The speaker also encourages trying different forms of exercise and having a positive mindset during workouts to help harness the joy and benefits that movement can bring.

    • Exercise for joy and fulfillmentExercise brings joy and fulfillment beyond physical health, serving as a tool for personal growth and self-transcendence.

      Exercise, regardless of its difficulty level, can bring meaningful joy and fulfillment to our lives beyond just physical health benefits. It's essential to identify the purpose of exercise in our lives and consider if the joy derived from a particular form outweighs the discomfort. The speaker's experience with overcoming a fear of flying by facing her discomfort in a spinning class demonstrates this concept. Exercise can serve as a tool for personal growth and self-transcendence, providing connections, a sense of mastery, and even joy that enhances our overall well-being.

    • The power of movement to connect usMovement releases neurochemicals that make us feel good and connect us with others, encouraging persistence in physical labor and social bonding.

      Movement, whether it's through exercise or other physical activities, has the power to connect us with ourselves and others on a deep level. The speaker's experience with cycling is an example of how even an activity disliked at first can lead to unexpected joy and personal growth. The neurochemistry of movement, particularly the runner's high, is driven by endorphins, endocannabinoids, and oxytocin, which not only make us feel good but also prime us to connect and cooperate with others. Anthropologist Herman Pontzer explains that this neurochemical cocktail was evolution's way of encouraging us to persist in physical labor and return to our social circles stronger and more connected. The speaker's exploration of this concept led her to write a book celebrating the power of movement as a means of enhancing human connection and survival.

    • Exercise as an Endocrine OrganExercise releases myokines, which improve overall health by reducing inflammation, killing cancer cells, and enhancing brain and mental health.

      Muscles are more than just physical structures for movement. They are also endocrine organs that secrete substances called myokines when contracted during exercise. These myokines have profound effects on overall health, including reducing inflammation, killing cancer cells, and improving brain and mental health. Exercise, therefore, acts as an intravenous dose of "hope molecules" that make us more resilient to stress and trauma, and increase positive motivation and neuroplasticity. This newfound understanding of the power of exercise goes beyond persuading non-exercisers to start moving and instead speaks to those who already value movement and want to deepen their connection to it. The book "The Power of Movement" aims to help readers understand the emotional and psychological benefits of movement and dispel the notion that it is self-indulgent or a waste of time. It also encourages those who believe they hate movement to explore different types and find the one that resonates with them.

    • Discovering the right form of movement and embracing it at the right time in lifeExercise, regardless of age, weight, or physical condition, can prevent and reverse the brain's decreased receptivity to joy and bring significant benefits to both mind and body. Whole Foods Market offers high-quality products for special occasions like Easter to enhance celebrations.

      Finding the right form of movement and embracing it at the right time in life can lead to significant joy and benefits for both the mind and body. As we age, our brains become less receptive to everyday joy, but exercise can help prevent and reverse this process. It's never too late to start, as many people discover the benefits of exercise in their later years. Additionally, during special occasions like Easter, Whole Foods Market offers high-quality products to help make brunch celebrations perfect for loved ones. And remember, the benefits of exercise are not limited to any specific age, weight, or physical condition. So, regardless of personal circumstances, everyone can reap the rewards of incorporating movement into their lives.

    • Find joy in new movement habitsDiscovering a joyful movement can form a new habit in 6 weeks, focus on intrinsic joy, and align with personal values.

      Discovering a form of movement that brings you joy can lead to the formation of a meaningful and enjoyable new habit. When considering what type of movement to explore, think about what inspires you or what you enjoyed as a child. Experimentation and permission to discover new aspects of yourself are key. Research suggests it may take six weeks for the brain to adapt and develop a strong desire to continue the new habit. Instead of relying on external rewards, focus on the intrinsic joy and pleasure that can be found in the new behavior. By making the process enjoyable and consistent with your values, the habit can become more automatic and rewarding over time.

    • Connecting habits to deeper motivationsUnderstanding and linking habits to your most significant roles, relationships, and personal goals is crucial for long-term commitment and success.

      The key to successfully establishing and maintaining a new habit lies in understanding and connecting it to your deepest motivations. This goes beyond the surface-level satisfaction of achieving the habit itself, and instead involves reflecting on the meaning and significance of the habit in the context of your most important roles, relationships, and personal goals. To identify these motivations, consider asking yourself questions about what matters most to you and what direction you want to move in life. By making this connection, the motivation becomes a powerful driving force that can sustain you through challenges and help you stay committed to the habit.

    • Linking habits to positive motivationsConnecting habits to intrinsic motivators like a deep desire or meaningful purpose can lead to lasting change and positively shape the habit. Identifying values and reflecting on them can help guide intentional choices and keep us committed to our habits. Changing our environment can also make it easier to establish new habits.

      When it comes to forming new habits, the motivation behind why we choose to cultivate them is just as important as the habit itself. Extrinsic motivators, like feeling inferior or ashamed, may not last long and can lead to reinforcing negative patterns. Instead, intrinsic motivators, such as a deep desire or meaningful purpose, can provide renewable energy and positively shape the habit we're building. By linking our habits to positive motivations, we can create meaningful and lasting change in our lives. Additionally, identifying our values and using them as a guide can help us make intentional choices and stay committed to our habits. Practically speaking, changing our environment can also make it easier to establish new habits. So, take some time to reflect on what truly matters to you and use that motivation to fuel your habit formation journey.

    • Create physical reminders and seek social supportCreate visible reminders and seek support from others to boost habit change, while practicing self-compassion and avoiding shame as motivation.

      Our environment plays a significant role in supporting or sabotaging our goals and desired behaviors. A simple yet effective first step is to create physical reminders in our environment, such as placing sneakers or motivational images in a visible location. Social support from others, whether it's through working out together or having someone to hold us accountable, is also crucial for successful habit change. Furthermore, self-compassion and avoiding the use of shame as motivation are essential for long-term success. Shame and self-criticism may provide a temporary motivation, but they ultimately disempower us and make it harder to climb out of the negative feelings. Instead, we should focus on being kind to ourselves and using positive reinforcement to build new habits.

    • Practicing Self-Compassion: Treating Yourself with Kindness and UnderstandingSelf-compassion involves recognizing suffering, taking a step back, using common humanity perspective, asking for support, and being kind to oneself to build courage and move forward.

      Self-compassion is about treating yourself with kindness and understanding, especially during difficult times. It's not about self-indulgence, but rather recognizing that suffering is a part of being human and that you have the capacity to change and grow. To practice self-compassion, start by recognizing your suffering and taking a step back from your over-identification with the pain. Use the perspective of common humanity to remind yourself that you're not alone in your struggles, and ask yourself what you need to do next to support yourself. By being compassionate towards yourself, you can build the courage to engage with your goals and keep moving forward, even when it's challenging. Remember, self-compassion is a form of embodied courage, and it's okay to be brave and act in your own best interest.

    • Practicing self-compassion after setbacksAcknowledge feelings, label them, connect with others, engage in self-kindness, and focus on goals to move beyond self-judgment.

      Self-compassion goes beyond external rewards or acts of self-kindness, such as taking a bubble bath. Instead, it's about making amends and getting back on track towards your goals when you experience self-judgment. For instance, if you're working on mindless eating and find yourself eating popcorn at a movie theater despite your intentions, acknowledging the situation and practicing self-compassion involves recognizing your feelings, labeling them, and connecting with others who may have experienced similar situations. The next step is to engage in self-kindness, which could be as simple as looking at your child and reminding yourself of your love for them. By focusing on your goals and motivations, you can shift your mindset and move beyond self-recrimination.

    • Practicing self-compassion during movie nightEnjoying the moment with family and practicing self-compassion can be more beneficial than focusing on mindless eating. Focus on habits that align with core values and relationships for meaningful change.

      Self-compassion, such as practicing gratitude, can act as an antidote to guilt and self-judgment. During a movie night, enjoying the moment with family and practicing self-compassion can be more beneficial than focusing on mindless eating. However, it's essential to recognize that not all self-criticism is significant, and sometimes the inner critic may prioritize less impactful habits for change. Ultimately, focusing on habits that align with our core values and relationships can lead to more meaningful and lasting change. It's crucial to remember that everyone's situation is unique, and what may not matter much to one person could significantly impact another.

    • Focusing on discomfort and meditationInstead of obsessing over discomfort or trying too hard to concentrate during meditation, consider finding simple solutions or exploring alternative practices to enhance well-being.

      Not everything in life is worth obsessing over or trying to control, like being uncomfortable in your clothes, and instead, focusing on simple solutions like getting new pants. Another important point is that focusing on the breath during meditation can be challenging for some people, leading to holding the breath or hyperventilating. However, it's essential to remember that trying too hard to concentrate is often the root cause of these issues. Instead, one can explore other meditation practices or techniques to find what works best for them. Additionally, Kelly McGonigal, the guest on the podcast, encourages listeners to check out her new book, "The Joy of Movement," and her TED Talk, "How to Make Stress Your Friend," for more insights on happiness and well-being.

    • Shifting focus during meditation practiceWhen facing challenges during meditation, try shifting focus to ambient sounds or body sensations to help relax and let go of resistance. Remember, meditation is not about reaching a specific mind state but about accepting and practicing in the present moment.

      During meditation practice, it's normal for people to encounter various challenges, especially when dealing with depressive mind states. Sometimes, the mind may resist the practice, causing feelings of stress or anger, making it difficult to focus on the breath. In such cases, it's recommended to shift the focus to ambient sounds or overall body sensations. This approach can help individuals relax and let go of resistance, allowing them to continue practicing skillfully. Depression can also make meditation feel unproductive, with the mind becoming cloudy and dreamy. However, it's essential to remember that meditation is not about reaching a specific mind state or checking a box. Instead, it's about meeting our experience in the present moment, no matter how it may be, with acceptance and compassion. If you're struggling with depression and finding it challenging to meditate, consider trying different focus points and remember that it's okay to be patient with yourself. The practice itself is the reward.

    • Approaching Depression with CuriosityInvestigating depressive states with curiosity can yield valuable insights, but if there's no curiosity, try alternative practices or seek professional help.

      When experiencing a depressive state, it can be helpful to approach it with curiosity rather than resistance. If the mind is interested in investigating the state, inquiries such as exploring the sensations in the body and the quality of the state itself can provide valuable insights. However, if there's no curiosity, it's important to respect that and turn to practices like walking meditation or seeking support from a therapist to bring more ease to the experience. Additionally, the upcoming episodes of "10% Happier" will tackle sleep, healthy attitudes around eating, and boosting meditation habits. Remember, sharing the podcast with others is a great way to help it grow.

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    • How to do self-compassion on the cushion, including practices like body scans, metta, and a check-in practice you can use at the very start of your sits
    • And how to teach self-compassion to children



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